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(Detroit Free Press)   Vandals kill 5,800 fish at hatchery. Workers unsure how many flushes the cleanup will take   (freep.com) divider line 73
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2012-10-17 12:54:45 PM
"Good morning, ladies! Oh my, but I believe one of you needs a bath."
 
2012-10-17 12:55:55 PM
When asked for a response, a local albacore simply cried, "That could've been me!"
 
2012-10-17 12:57:32 PM

cryinoutloud: Mr Guy: Okay, it seems like something fishy is going on here. That seems like a lot of work for petty vandalism.

It's pretty easy. You pull a couple of boards so that the water level goes down, block the water intake, and voila! dead fish. You can lose the entire run if something clogs the water intake, even accidentally. They have to have constantly running water. 

And I know this doesn't fit with your pre-conceived eco-terrorist profile, but environmentalists don't usually kill animals. See, we like animals. I know that's hard for some of you to imagine, since killing off several species for your own pleasure enhancement is just another day.


In the Great Lakes states, there are eco-terrorist (you could call them a twisted sort of environmentalist) who are against planting salmon and trout in the great lakes (since it is introducing a native species). These people would kill said salmon and trout, despite the fact they love animals.
 
2012-10-17 01:00:08 PM
Good thing it wasn't at a bird hatchery. Obama would have to explain whether or not it was pterorism.
 
2012-10-17 01:06:28 PM

cryinoutloud: Mr Guy: Okay, it seems like something fishy is going on here. That seems like a lot of work for petty vandalism.

It's pretty easy. You pull a couple of boards so that the water level goes down, block the water intake, and voila! dead fish. You can lose the entire run if something clogs the water intake, even accidentally. They have to have constantly running water. 

And I know this doesn't fit with your pre-conceived eco-terrorist profile, but environmentalists don't usually kill animals. See, we like animals. I know that's hard for some of you to imagine, since killing off several species for your own pleasure enhancement is just another day.


except extremists view the killing of the animals in labs and other places that they can't just release them as "mercy killings"

Even PETA does it...
 
2012-10-17 01:12:31 PM

Mr Guy: ha-ha-guy: It was likely environmentalists by the way. October is coho salmon spawning month so they might have been trying to rub them off because they spawned. Also there is some level of butthurt in that the Coho Salmon is not native to the lakes. Atlantic Salmon were native to Lake Ontario at one point, but Pacific Salmon have been brought in to bolster the population and provide for sport fishing events.

/I'm sure the zebra mussels, Asian carp, and such are all terribly upset by the Pacific Salmon
//at least the carp have yet to make it past the fish barriers
/so far

Thanks for the overview. That makes much more sense. It clearly wasn't just "vandalism", it was some kind of attack. Eco terrorism makes much more sense than teens or some kind of corporate feud.


still curious how killing thousands of fish or burning suv's in the name of 'environmentalism' is in any way being 'pro environment'
 
2012-10-17 01:15:07 PM

CeroX: 1. i am not clicking on Freep.com... those people are insane...

2. since i'm not going to click the clink and read the article, everything that follows is just assinine assumptions:

Hey right wing nut jobs... THIS is the sort of shiat the REAL left wing does...


Freep is the Detroit Free Press, not that other place where freepers hang out.

It's OK to click.
 
2012-10-17 01:20:17 PM

fappomatic: venerant: The article says they died of oxygen related issues. Does anyone know what kind of oxygen related issues would kill a fish?

The bends?


That's a nitrogen related issue.

/ Pedantry.
 
2012-10-17 01:23:10 PM

fappomatic: The bends?


Umm, no. That's Nitrogen-related.

Please tell me that you don't have a C-card.
 
2012-10-17 01:25:05 PM

cryinoutloud: but environmentalists don't usually kill animals. See, we like animals


PETA
 
2012-10-17 01:28:57 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: shiatter's full


came here to post that...and a picture.

not even going to bother.
 
2012-10-17 01:29:36 PM

Gunny Highway: Here is an article about the Vandals drummer trying to become a judge in California. Really strange and kinda funny.


That is interesting. California has volunteer temporary judges? Then I volunteer. Hell, you can put me down as a permanent volunteer. I've even got my own black robe. Now, it's more of a bathrobe than a traditional judicial robe, but come on, I'm a volunteer.

My first order of business as a volunteer temporary judge will be to quash, sua sponte, all these silly restraining orders against me.
 
2012-10-17 01:56:44 PM

Rent Party: CeroX: 1. i am not clicking on Freep.com... those people are insane...

2. since i'm not going to click the clink and read the article, everything that follows is just assinine assumptions:

Hey right wing nut jobs... THIS is the sort of shiat the REAL left wing does...

Freep is the Detroit Free Press, not that other place where freepers hang out.

It's OK to click.


oh i did... i thought i was being clever... however, apparently others don't share my sense of humor...
 
2012-10-17 02:00:49 PM

CeroX: Rent Party: CeroX: 1. i am not clicking on Freep.com... those people are insane...

2. since i'm not going to click the clink and read the article, everything that follows is just assinine assumptions:

Hey right wing nut jobs... THIS is the sort of shiat the REAL left wing does...

Freep is the Detroit Free Press, not that other place where freepers hang out.

It's OK to click.

oh i did... i thought i was being clever... however, apparently others don't share my sense of humor...


Ah. Well, you should know that your clever mistake is actually something that happens on a kind of regular basis. For something to be funny, it usually has to be unusual. Midgets are the only exception to that rule.
 
2012-10-17 02:18:17 PM

inner ted: still curious how killing thousands of fish or burning suv's in the name of 'environmentalism' is in any way being 'pro environment'


One way of forcing someone to stop doing something is to make it cost prohibitive. If you're A) extreme enough to take severe actions and B) willing to justify some anarchy, death, and chaos as being for the "greater good", sometimes you do horrible things in the name of your cause. Needless to say, the more you're willing to justify to yourself, the faster you tend to take the train to crazy town.
 
2012-10-17 02:35:18 PM

inner ted: still curious how killing thousands of fish or burning suv's in the name of 'environmentalism' is in any way being 'pro environment'


If those fish are viewed as invasive species, it would benefit the environment. I.e. preventing the release of Asian Carp into the great lakes (by killing) would certainly fit the environmentalism definition. Environmentalism means caring about the environment, not necessarily "all animals must live"
 
2012-10-17 02:39:05 PM

venerant: The article says they died of oxygen related issues. Does anyone know what kind of oxygen related issues would kill a fish?


Why yes, yes I do. Fish take in dissolved oxygen from the water through their gills and expel carbon dioxide the same way. Once the oxygen in the water in which they are in is exhausted, they suffocate, just as we would eventually suffocate in a sealed room. Atmospheric oxygen gets into the water by the process of aeration, primarily by disruption of the surface. Hence, moving water, such as in a stream or a run in a hatchery is continuously aerated. The vandals moved the fish into an area where the water is not circulated and, therefor, not aerated and they consumed all the available oxygen and died.
 
2012-10-17 03:01:45 PM

JackieRabbit: Why yes, yes I do...[cogent explanation follows...]


Ahh. Now I get it. Thank you.
 
2012-10-17 03:25:21 PM

machoprogrammer: inner ted: still curious how killing thousands of fish or burning suv's in the name of 'environmentalism' is in any way being 'pro environment'

If those fish are viewed as invasive species, it would benefit the environment. I.e. preventing the release of Asian Carp into the great lakes (by killing) would certainly fit the environmentalism definition. Environmentalism means caring about the environment, not necessarily "all animals must live"


the fellow above mentioned a "by any means necessary" type of mentality - which is hard to agree with.

you point out the 'invasive specie' angle (cwutididthar) which IMHO holds more weight.
but are they even making that claim? are they making a case for why that new specie is not a positive thing? (i.e. it decimates other local populations / pollutes the water / edges out local habitat etc.)

and if their whole point is "caring about the environment", I still submit that destroying it is a strange way of going about it.

furthermore - & apologies for getting all philosophical here - but who are they to say what is "natural" or not? isn't everything that happens on this planet essentially "natural" ? so when it doesn't fit their view of "natural" the response is to kill it?

confusing
 
2012-10-17 04:34:06 PM

inner ted: and if their whole point is "caring about the environment", I still submit that destroying it is a strange way of going about it.

furthermore - & apologies for getting all philosophical here - but who are they to say what is "natural" or not? isn't everything that happens on this planet essentially "natural" ? so when it doesn't fit their view of "natural" the response is to kill it?


These two sentences are where it all breaks down. Some people can't grasp that the environment now is the result of whatever factors were in play right before humans showed up, and species were popping up and dying off forever. They know, on some intellectual level, that they are supposed to be upset at the RATE of change, but frankly that's complicated and hard to figure out, so it's easier to just be outraged at everything people do that changes anything from say, some arbitrary point in 1852.

See also: Genetically modified food, nuclear power, the environment, deforestation
 
2012-10-17 05:06:01 PM

Mr Guy: inner ted: and if their whole point is "caring about the environment", I still submit that destroying it is a strange way of going about it.

furthermore - & apologies for getting all philosophical here - but who are they to say what is "natural" or not? isn't everything that happens on this planet essentially "natural" ? so when it doesn't fit their view of "natural" the response is to kill it?

These two sentences are where it all breaks down. Some people can't grasp that the environment now is the result of whatever factors were in play right before humans showed up, and species were popping up and dying off forever. They know, on some intellectual level, that they are supposed to be upset at the RATE of change, but frankly that's complicated and hard to figure out, so it's easier to just be outraged at everything people do that changes anything from say, some arbitrary point in 1852.

See also: Genetically modified food, nuclear power, the environment, deforestation


as with anything, too much in one direction or another is usually met with poor results.

the examples you give are perfect:
gmo food - pro: get to grow food in harsh land / con: farmers getting crushed by huge corps that own the rights to their 'product' and shut down anyone that may have a seed on their property

nuke power: cheap energy / fukishima

deforestation: i work in the lumber industry, so don't even get me started
 
2012-10-17 05:44:42 PM
 
2012-10-17 08:52:10 PM

ha-ha-guy: It was likely environmentalists by the way. October is coho salmon spawning month so they might have been trying to rub them off because they spawned. Also there is some level of butthurt in that the Coho Salmon is not native to the lakes. Atlantic Salmon were native to Lake Ontario at one point, but Pacific Salmon have been brought in to bolster the population and provide for sport fishing events.

/I'm sure the zebra mussels, Asian carp, and such are all terribly upset by the Pacific Salmon
//at least the carp have yet to make it past the fish barriers
/so far


It's sort of like Jurassic Park though. The barrier only has to fail once.

I saw the salmon run near my home recently. It was pretty cool seeing the fish going by, but part of me was also distressed since there were barely any compared to past years. They're trying to restore the rivers before introducing native salmon again, but its going to take a long time.
 
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