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(The New Yorker)   Mitt Romney set a new personal best during his Town Hall debate. Unfortunately, that personal best was faking empathy   (newyorker.com) divider line 121
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2012-10-17 08:07:18 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Up to this debate, I had thought that, yes, he was out of touch, and yes, he was a bit overwhelmed intellectually, but he was generally still a decent guy. After seeing him at this debate, I am prepared to join the rest of the chorus in pronouncing him a prevaricating douche.

/god, what an asshole


That this election is even close baffles me. Hardline Republicans don't trust him. He's easily the most socially awkward candidate, besting even John Kerry's ridiculous '04 campaign. To hear him speak you have to wonder if he even knew how the washing machine in his photo-op worked.

I know he's successful, but being a vulture capitalist doesn't earn any respect points from me. And yeah, the guy is a complete and utter asshole.

So why is the popular vote looking so close? America. We get the assholes we deserve.
 
2012-10-17 08:07:43 AM
Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.


Schweet!
 
2012-10-17 08:08:05 AM

markfara: Brick-House: Im just gonna leave this here for all you contards...

[cdn2.mamapop.com image 850x351]

Fixed yer typo.

I'll bet you're a constitutional and Biblical scholar, too.


Area man...
 
2012-10-17 08:09:35 AM

Linux_Yes: Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.


It's almost like Obama deliberately held back the first time out, as if to examine the lay of the land.
 
2012-10-17 08:09:59 AM
Can anyone imagine Twittens trying to deal with North Korea or China? Seriously?

Remember the Olympics in London?

The lulz would be epic though.
 
2012-10-17 08:10:43 AM
I want to know what that college kid's major was? Because he asked about how he could get a job, and Obama told him all about bringing manufacturing back to Detroit. Yeah, that's really what a biochem major wants to do. Put car parts together on an assembly line at whatever minimum wage the union strong armed their way into.

Or, if he was in a major that would lend itself towards assembly line work, maybe they should have said, "You went to college. To major in Art History? In 2010, you thought this would be a good idea? And you used your own money?????" An answer like that would have instantly bought my vote.
 
2012-10-17 08:13:00 AM
Seriously modmins?
Three in a row?
You guys aren't even pretending anymore
 
2012-10-17 08:14:10 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i49.tinypic.com image 850x471]


The caption captures the quote exactly. He's been surrounded by nothing but yes men and ass-kissers his whole life. And now some plebs are going to question him?

Mitt Romney: "I DIDN'T ASK YOU ANY QUESTION."

That's the bumper sticker the Republicans should be using.
 
2012-10-17 08:15:31 AM
Oh, I get it. You see it is a portmanteau of Liberals and Retards. How amusing!
 
2012-10-17 08:16:53 AM
He doesn't fake anger. 

[If anyone wants to put that pic in the actual thread, be my guest]
 
2012-10-17 08:17:08 AM

Jackson Herring: Oh, I get it. You see it is a portmanteau of Liberals and Retards. How amusing!


The word is "Republican". You're welcome.

/See? We can make dumb, insulting "jokes", too.
 
2012-10-17 08:18:14 AM

serial_crusher: I want to know what that college kid's major was? Because he asked about how he could get a job, and Obama told him all about bringing manufacturing back to Detroit. Yeah, that's really what a biochem major wants to do. Put car parts together on an assembly line at whatever minimum wage the union strong armed their way into.

Or, if he was in a major that would lend itself towards assembly line work, maybe they should have said, "You went to college. To major in Art History? In 2010, you thought this would be a good idea? And you used your own money?????" An answer like that would have instantly bought my vote.



Well, it takes someone to design batteries, and polymers, and plastics, and fuel additives, and all the other technical bullshiat that goes into modern durable goods. You're not going to create a lot of secondary jobs if everyone works in retail selling shiat imported from China.
 
2012-10-17 08:18:19 AM
subby thinks there is genuine empathy in politics. That's adorable.
 
2012-10-17 08:19:34 AM

serial_crusher: I want to know what that college kid's major was? Because he asked about how he could get a job, and Obama told him all about bringing manufacturing back to Detroit. Yeah, that's really what a biochem major wants to do. Put car parts together on an assembly line at whatever minimum wage the union strong armed their way into.

Or, if he was in a major that would lend itself towards assembly line work, maybe they should have said, "You went to college. To major in Art History? In 2010, you thought this would be a good idea? And you used your own money?????" An answer like that would have instantly bought my vote.


Maybe Obama realizes that bringing manufacturing, and energy production jobs to the US results in many complementary jobs ranging from directly related jobs such as engineers, accountants and lawyers to things like teachers and small business in the communities these blue collar workers live.
 
2012-10-17 08:20:44 AM

Jackson Herring: Oh, I get it. You see it is a portmanteau of Liberals and Retards. How amusing!


Don't you mean "funmusing"?! Hah!
 
2012-10-17 08:21:57 AM

markfara: Jackson Herring: Oh, I get it. You see it is a portmanteau of Liberals and Retards. How amusing!

The word is "Republican". You're welcome.

/See? We can make dumb, insulting "jokes", too.


hahahah get a load of this guy
 
2012-10-17 08:22:38 AM

markfara: Linux_Yes: Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.

It's almost like Obama deliberately held back the first time out, as if to examine the lay of the land.


That ain't what happened, dude, you can admit it. He just sucked the first debate, but it did get his attention.
 
2012-10-17 08:22:47 AM

Jackson Herring: markfara: Jackson Herring: Oh, I get it. You see it is a portmanteau of Liberals and Retards. How amusing!

The word is "Republican". You're welcome.

/See? We can make dumb, insulting "jokes", too.

hahahah get a load of this guy


And the zingers just keep on comin'.
 
2012-10-17 08:23:47 AM

ghare: markfara: Linux_Yes: Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.

It's almost like Obama deliberately held back the first time out, as if to examine the lay of the land.

That ain't what happened, dude, you can admit it. He just sucked the first debate, but it did get his attention.


That's more probable, granted. But a part of me will always wonder. . . .
 
2012-10-17 08:24:58 AM

ghare: markfara: Linux_Yes: Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.

It's almost like Obama deliberately held back the first time out, as if to examine the lay of the land.

That ain't what happened, dude, you can admit it. He just sucked the first debate, but it did get his attention.


There's no doubt he purposely ceded the first debate, probably more than he wanted to, but it was clear he held back. The media reaction is what took them off guard.
 
2012-10-17 08:27:42 AM

markfara: And the zingers just keep on comin'.


seriously, you are going to be pretty embarrassed when you realized what happened here
 
2012-10-17 08:28:26 AM

DarnoKonrad: ghare: markfara: Linux_Yes: Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.

It's almost like Obama deliberately held back the first time out, as if to examine the lay of the land.

That ain't what happened, dude, you can admit it. He just sucked the first debate, but it did get his attention.

There's no doubt he purposely ceded the first debate, probably more than he wanted to, but it was clear he held back. The media reaction is what took them off guard.


Wolf Blitzer: ROMNEY FIRM ON THE ISSUES DURING SECOND DEBATE, PRESIDENT AND PLEBES AWFULLY UPPITY
 
2012-10-17 08:29:12 AM

Carth: serial_crusher: I want to know what that college kid's major was? Because he asked about how he could get a job, and Obama told him all about bringing manufacturing back to Detroit. Yeah, that's really what a biochem major wants to do. Put car parts together on an assembly line at whatever minimum wage the union strong armed their way into.

Or, if he was in a major that would lend itself towards assembly line work, maybe they should have said, "You went to college. To major in Art History? In 2010, you thought this would be a good idea? And you used your own money?????" An answer like that would have instantly bought my vote.

Maybe Obama realizes that bringing manufacturing, and energy production jobs to the US results in many complementary jobs ranging from directly related jobs such as engineers, accountants and lawyers to things like teachers and small business in the communities these blue collar workers live.


Yes, there is a lot more to manufacturing than the guy who stands on the floor bolting widgets together.

Also, in response to Mitts' accusation that China has stolen designs and intellectual property from Americans, that's not how I see it. I think it would be more accurate to say, we piled designs and intellectual property onto a silver tray, manufacturing facilities American companies wanted to build in China in order to exploit comparatively weak Chinese labor, environmental and safety laws, and we begged China to accept this platter heaped with intellectual property. Now, we're angry they accepted.
 
2012-10-17 08:36:11 AM

Jackson Herring: markfara: And the zingers just keep on comin'.

seriously, you are going to be pretty embarrassed when you realized what happened here


You know what? I finished my coffee and reread your post. Yes, I'm a bit red-faced. Mea culpa.

In my defense, however: Using big words is mean.
 
2012-10-17 08:40:05 AM

DarnoKonrad: There's no doubt he purposely ceded the first debate, probably more than he wanted to, but it was clear he held back. The media reaction is what took them off guard.


Serious question: What are you basing that on? Do you genuinely believe all this "long-game" tripe, or is it more likely that the dude just had an off-night, particularly after being bombarded by a brand new Romney that no one recognized from the last 18 months?

I'm not trying to attack you, but am curious as to what leads you this conclusion.
 
2012-10-17 08:40:08 AM

markfara: Jackson Herring: markfara: And the zingers just keep on comin'.

seriously, you are going to be pretty embarrassed when you realized what happened here

You know what? I finished my coffee and reread your post. Yes, I'm a bit red-faced. Mea culpa.

In my defense, however: Using big words is mean.


And I did it all before I even started my first cup of coffee!
 
2012-10-17 08:40:38 AM
Meanwhile a headline on the Yahoo News front page:

"Obama wins the second debate. Too bad it's not the one that mattered."

The media: Like Rmoney, they will say or do literally anything to achieve their objective, which is to make the campaign a horserace.
 
2012-10-17 08:44:33 AM

Jackson Herring: markfara: Jackson Herring: markfara: And the zingers just keep on comin'.

seriously, you are going to be pretty embarrassed when you realized what happened here

You know what? I finished my coffee and reread your post. Yes, I'm a bit red-faced. Mea culpa.

In my defense, however: Using big words is mean.

And I did it all before I even started my first cup of coffee!


Morning people frighten me.
 
2012-10-17 08:47:31 AM

markfara: Linux_Yes: Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.

It's almost like Obama deliberately held back the first time out, as if to examine the lay of the land.



possible. also i think he wanted to keep things civilized and still had hopes that he could conquer the partisian divide that is choking this Nation out, but i think he's beginning to realize that you can't reason with a f*cking republican and more than with a Psychopath.

and the reason is is that a republican (and a few dems too) is only interested in himself and his money. that is all. like a Psychopath, a republican is unable to connect with others and feel empathy and work for the common good.

people think Psychopaths are violent. some are, but most are not. and they are everywhere now in the land of the Free.
 
2012-10-17 08:48:40 AM
By the way, did anybody notice that Mitt thought he was saving the middle class a lot in taxes by saying "We'll eliminate taxes on interest on your savings?" I don't know about you, but I made approximately 3 dollars on my savings last year. I checked around with friends and family, and not one person told me they made more than 10 dollars from their savings. Interest rates on savings accounts are in the 0.25% to 1% range.

It just goes to show you how out of touch he is. He actually things that if you make enough money on your savings that the tax is noticeable, you're "middle class." Just like if you want to pay for college, ask your parents for money! *headdesk*
 
2012-10-17 08:50:27 AM

DarnoKonrad: Well, it takes someone to design batteries, and polymers, and plastics, and fuel additives, and all the other technical bullshiat that goes into modern durable goods. You're not going to create a lot of secondary jobs if everyone works in retail selling shiat imported from China.


Apple's doing a fine job with that business model. Depending on their major, college grads work in their HQ in Cupertino (engineers, scientists, etc) or in their retail stores (English lit, underwater basketweaving, architecture, etc).

Does FoxConn have their own people to design the machines that run in the factories, or is that done here too? I guess being physically closer to the plant is helpful about 2 or 3 weeks a year at that job.
 
2012-10-17 08:50:28 AM

DarnoKonrad: ghare: markfara: Linux_Yes: Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.

It's almost like Obama deliberately held back the first time out, as if to examine the lay of the land.

That ain't what happened, dude, you can admit it. He just sucked the first debate, but it did get his attention.

There's no doubt he purposely ceded the first debate, probably more than he wanted to, but it was clear he held back. The media reaction is what took them off guard.



i could tell he held back. he's alot smarter than that and i knew he wanted to respond to Rmoney's lies, but he held back. the reasons he held back are still unclear. i don't think he was caught off guard. he's been in the game too long for that.
 
2012-10-17 08:54:25 AM

jack21221: By the way, did anybody notice that Mitt thought he was saving the middle class a lot in taxes by saying "We'll eliminate taxes on interest on your savings?" I don't know about you, but I made approximately 3 dollars on my savings last year. I checked around with friends and family, and not one person told me they made more than 10 dollars from their savings. Interest rates on savings accounts are in the 0.25% to 1% range.

It just goes to show you how out of touch he is. He actually things that if you make enough money on your savings that the tax is noticeable, you're "middle class." Just like if you want to pay for college, ask your parents for money! *headdesk*


Yeah, the SO and I noticed that, too. We were also tickled sh*tless to know that someone's looking out for our massive middle-class capital gains.
 
2012-10-17 09:01:24 AM

markfara: Morning people frighten me.


Just think of them as night people who slept really late.
 
2012-10-17 09:02:30 AM

dickfreckle: DarnoKonrad: There's no doubt he purposely ceded the first debate, probably more than he wanted to, but it was clear he held back. The media reaction is what took them off guard.

Serious question: What are you basing that on? Do you genuinely believe all this "long-game" tripe, or is it more likely that the dude just had an off-night, particularly after being bombarded by a brand new Romney that no one recognized from the last 18 months?

I'm not trying to attack you, but am curious as to what leads you this conclusion.




I watched the debate, there were dozens of opportunities for Obama to say "that's not true." Am I honestly to believe Obama simply didn't know what Romeny's previous positions were? Or even his own for that matter after a couple weeks of preparation?

Also consider they spent the entire week prior claiming he was going to lose, and if that's not enough, watch the Clinton and McCain debates. He did the same thing.

And he just performed last night exactly as I predicted 2 weeks ago. He turned the charm on like a switch.  Hell it was turned on less than 24 hours after the first debate -- unloading on mitt with all kinds of shiat at a rally. He didn't have an "off night." He perused a strategy that has worked in the past, and next Monday is going to be the coup de grace 

He loves the fact wing nuts think he needs a teleprompter.
 
2012-10-17 09:07:44 AM

Brick-House: Im just gonna leave this here for all you libtards...


REPEAT
*click*
REPEAT
*click*
REPEAT
*click*
REPEAT

Oh dear - the debate broke Sh*t-House's brain.
 
2012-10-17 09:08:52 AM

rufus-t-firefly: He doesn't fake anger. 

[If anyone wants to put that pic in the actual thread, be my guest]


It's hard to imagine enraged Gordon Gecko in sensitive multilateral negotiations with foreign nations.
 
2012-10-17 09:10:06 AM

jack21221: By the way, did anybody notice that Mitt thought he was saving the middle class a lot in taxes by saying "We'll eliminate taxes on interest on your savings?"


I'm sure he didn't, and just as sure he thought you would.
 
2012-10-17 09:10:16 AM

neenerist: rufus-t-firefly: He doesn't fake anger. 

[If anyone wants to put that pic in the actual thread, be my guest]

It's hard to imagine enraged Gordon Gecko in sensitive multilateral negotiations with foreign nations.


Real Murkins don't NEGOTIATE, they SEND IN THE TROOPS!
 
2012-10-17 09:17:01 AM

serial_crusher: Because he asked about how he could get a job, and Obama told him all about bringing manufacturing back to Detroit. Yeah, that's really what a biochem major wants to do. Put car parts together on an assembly line at whatever minimum wage the union strong armed their way into.


Macroeconomics still a few years away on your plan, eh?

/Though it would've scored major points if either candidate had asked that poignant question, made their answer personal as well as general.
 
2012-10-17 09:21:37 AM

Lunaville: Also, in response to Mitts' accusation that China has stolen designs and intellectual property from Americans, that's not how I see it.


WHAT?

I think it would be more accurate to say, we piled designs and intellectual property onto a silver tray, manufacturing facilities American companies wanted to build in China in order to exploit comparatively weak Chinese labor, environmental and safety laws, and we begged China to accept this platter heaped with intellectual property. Now, we're angry they accepted.

Ah! Retracted! Yes. This.

It's like they gathered up the city, sold it to the devil and now it's gone to hell and they wonder how.
 
2012-10-17 09:26:49 AM

markfara: jack21221: By the way, did anybody notice that Mitt thought he was saving the middle class a lot in taxes by saying "We'll eliminate taxes on interest on your savings?" I don't know about you, but I made approximately 3 dollars on my savings last year. I checked around with friends and family, and not one person told me they made more than 10 dollars from their savings. Interest rates on savings accounts are in the 0.25% to 1% range.

It just goes to show you how out of touch he is. He actually things that if you make enough money on your savings that the tax is noticeable, you're "middle class." Just like if you want to pay for college, ask your parents for money! *headdesk*

Yeah, the SO and I noticed that, too. We were also tickled sh*tless to know that someone's looking out for our massive middle-class capital gains.


I said the same thing. I asked my wife (she pays the taxes) how much we earn from capital gains and interest on our savings account. When she told me I joked and said we could use the savings to buy a new DVD. Crazy rich people like Romney, on the other hand, have so much money in the bank that they actually earn real money on the interest on their savings account. Everyone he knows earns real money on the interest in their savings account.
After he said that I wanted to Obama to be honest and just tell the audience that when Romney says he wants to lower the capital gains tax and the taxes on interest on savings accounts, he is only interested in lowering his own tax burden. I wanted him to be completely honest about it and say it in plain language that everyone can understand. Mitt wants to be president so he can pay less taxes than he already does.
 
2012-10-17 09:33:45 AM
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-10-17 09:52:25 AM

Linux_Yes: DarnoKonrad: ghare: markfara: Linux_Yes: Ole' Rmoney didn't like it when Obama called his ass out. i could tell Mittens was getting all shook up when he realized that Obama wasn't going to be polite to him anymore.

It's almost like Obama deliberately held back the first time out, as if to examine the lay of the land.

That ain't what happened, dude, you can admit it. He just sucked the first debate, but it did get his attention.

There's no doubt he purposely ceded the first debate, probably more than he wanted to, but it was clear he held back. The media reaction is what took them off guard.


i could tell he held back. he's alot smarter than that and i knew he wanted to respond to Rmoney's lies, but he held back. the reasons he held back are still unclear. i don't think he was caught off guard. he's been in the game too long for that.


I'm with the he just blew the first debate down his leg school of thought. This 69 dimensional chess attribute people give the President is wishful thinking. He's not Lex Luthor from "Red Son"
 
2012-10-17 09:55:30 AM

DarnoKonrad: dickfreckle: DarnoKonrad: There's no doubt he purposely ceded the first debate, probably more than he wanted to, but it was clear he held back. The media reaction is what took them off guard.

Serious question: What are you basing that on? Do you genuinely believe all this "long-game" tripe, or is it more likely that the dude just had an off-night, particularly after being bombarded by a brand new Romney that no one recognized from the last 18 months?

I'm not trying to attack you, but am curious as to what leads you this conclusion.



I watched the debate, there were dozens of opportunities for Obama to say "that's not true." Am I honestly to believe Obama simply didn't know what Romeny's previous positions were? Or even his own for that matter after a couple weeks of preparation?

Also consider they spent the entire week prior claiming he was going to lose, and if that's not enough, watch the Clinton and McCain debates. He did the same thing.

And he just performed last night exactly as I predicted 2 weeks ago. He turned the charm on like a switch.  Hell it was turned on less than 24 hours after the first debate -- unloading on mitt with all kinds of shiat at a rally. He didn't have an "off night." He perused a strategy that has worked in the past, and next Monday is going to be the coup de grace 

He loves the fact wing nuts think he needs a teleprompter.


I'm not the one who originally asked the question, but I guess I should ask this: did Obama then plan for a complete turn-around in polls after the first debate? That seems like an awfully huge risk. Sorry, but I see the "Long game" as a completely unlikely scenario. Not calling out Romney's lies the first time felt more like he was hoping that the American public would recognise the bullshiat as such, but much like the Death Panels narrative, it led to the Republicans framing the discussion instead of Bullshiat Detectors pinging. At best, I'll concede that maybe this was part of some plan by Obama, but it really bit him in the ass and didn't play out well...but the more likely answer is that Obama did poorly the first go-round and got a fire lit under his ass for last night's debate.
 
2012-10-17 09:56:19 AM

jack21221: By the way, did anybody notice that Mitt thought he was saving the middle class a lot in taxes by saying "We'll eliminate taxes on interest on your savings?" I don't know about you, but I made approximately 3 dollars on my savings last year. I checked around with friends and family, and not one person told me they made more than 10 dollars from their savings. Interest rates on savings accounts are in the 0.25% to 1% range.

It just goes to show you how out of touch he is. He actually things that if you make enough money on your savings that the tax is noticeable, you're "middle class." Just like if you want to pay for college, ask your parents for money! *headdesk*


Yeah, and not paying taxes on my capital gains of $0 will really help things too.
 
2012-10-17 10:01:13 AM

FeedTheCollapse: I'm not the one who originally asked the question, but I guess I should ask this: did Obama then plan for a complete turn-around in polls after the first debate? That seems like an awfully huge risk. Sorry, but I see the "Long game" as a completely unlikely scenario. Not calling out Romney's lies the first time felt more like he was hoping that the American public would recognise the bullshiat as such, but much like the Death Panels narrative, it led to the Republicans framing the discussion instead of Bullshiat Detectors pinging. At best, I'll concede that maybe this was part of some plan by Obama, but it really bit him in the ass and didn't play out well...but the more likely answer is that Obama did poorly the first go-round and got a fire lit under his ass for last night's debate.




They were not prepared for the media shiat storm. Andrew Sullivan and Mathews lost their farking mind in hyperbolic fits of delusion. Practically declaring the election over. Ridiculous, and that's the narrative the media decided to run with. That was clearly *not* part of the plan.
 
2012-10-17 10:01:38 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: jack21221: By the way, did anybody notice that Mitt thought he was saving the middle class a lot in taxes by saying "We'll eliminate taxes on interest on your savings?" I don't know about you, but I made approximately 3 dollars on my savings last year. I checked around with friends and family, and not one person told me they made more than 10 dollars from their savings. Interest rates on savings accounts are in the 0.25% to 1% range.

It just goes to show you how out of touch he is. He actually things that if you make enough money on your savings that the tax is noticeable, you're "middle class." Just like if you want to pay for college, ask your parents for money! *headdesk*

Yeah, and not paying taxes on my capital gains of $0 will really help things too.


In the last debate Romney also said he would "help" the middel class giving you $25K or $50K in deductions for health care. "pick a number" he said. How that is going to help someone that does not have $50K a year to spend on healthcare in the first place I don't know. How getting a tax a deduction when you have to spend your life's savings on health care helps I don't know. Might help a Richie Rich that has a lot of money though.
 
2012-10-17 10:03:42 AM

FeedTheCollapse: I'm not the one who originally asked the question, but I guess I should ask this: did Obama then plan for a complete turn-around in polls after the first debate? That seems like an awfully huge risk. Sorry, but I see the "Long game" as a completely unlikely scenario.


As I've said before, I think that that was the general plan (be a bit weak on the first one to come out stronger later, underdog story, etc) but the Obama team didn't expect Romney to go full bulldozer on the first debate and were taken by surprise.
 
2012-10-17 10:17:38 AM

sprawl15: FeedTheCollapse: I'm not the one who originally asked the question, but I guess I should ask this: did Obama then plan for a complete turn-around in polls after the first debate? That seems like an awfully huge risk. Sorry, but I see the "Long game" as a completely unlikely scenario.

As I've said before, I think that that was the general plan (be a bit weak on the first one to come out stronger later, underdog story, etc) but the Obama team didn't expect Romney to go full bulldozer on the first debate and were taken by surprise.


I can see that, though I would still fault Obama for not recognizing who Romney would have to appeal to in that debate. Romney was at a point where his campaign was on the outs and was more in need of a rejuvenated base than an appeal to the middle (which was who Obama was going for). They may have been caught by surprise the by the deluge of bullshiat, but they still should've strategised for that as well as this is Romney we're talking about...


DarnoKonrad: FeedTheCollapse: I'm not the one who originally asked the question, but I guess I should ask this: did Obama then plan for a complete turn-around in polls after the first debate? That seems like an awfully huge risk. Sorry, but I see the "Long game" as a completely unlikely scenario. Not calling out Romney's lies the first time felt more like he was hoping that the American public would recognise the bullshiat as such, but much like the Death Panels narrative, it led to the Republicans framing the discussion instead of Bullshiat Detectors pinging. At best, I'll concede that maybe this was part of some plan by Obama, but it really bit him in the ass and didn't play out well...but the more likely answer is that Obama did poorly the first go-round and got a fire lit under his ass for last night's debate.



They were not prepared for the media shiat storm. Andrew Sullivan and Mathews lost their farking mind in hyperbolic fits of delusion. Practically declaring the election over. Ridiculous, and that's the narrative the media decided to run with. That was clearly *not* part of the plan.


I also think the Media is a convenient scapegoat for those of the Long Game Theory. I wholly agree that the media should've called out Romney's bullshiat much better, but like I said above, Obama taken aback by the idea that Mitt would spew non-stop bullshiat seems like Obama didn't recognise that that's Mitt's MO and Obama did recognise exactly who Mitt needed to appeal to to regain his campaign's footing. if Mitt didn't really beat Obama as much as Obama lost, but Mitt certainly achieved the goal he needed.


Obama had much more to gain from a resounding win (like last night) in the first debate than a drawn out eventual victory. An Obama win in the first debate probably would've put the race mostly to rest and made the next 2 debates largely meaningless. There was too much to lose for Obama with the Long Game Strategy, so I don't believe it was at all planned that way.
 
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