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(Some Guy)   Billy Graham crumbles under pressure. Decides that Mormonism is just a kookie version of Christianity. Crust of the matter is finding the right guy for president. Cracker   (christianpost.com) divider line 79
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2012-10-16 07:02:34 PM
He later added, ".... I hope millions of Americans will join me in praying for our nation and to vote for candidates who will support the biblical definition of marriage..."

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"...[and] protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms."


Including the freedom to force other people to conform to our (erroneous) definition of "biblical marriage"

Thanks, but no thanks, Billy
 
2012-10-16 07:06:33 PM
And once again, Kristen Stewart is here to convey my surprise at this development...

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2012-10-16 07:21:33 PM
The article was removed sometime after Romney, a Mormon, visited Graham at his Montreat, N.C., home last week. Ken Barun, chief of staff for BGEA, said in an emailed statement on Tuesday that the organization removed the article in order to avoid a debate, though he did not specify whether or not the candidate's visit had anything to do with the timing of its removal.

Yeah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence.


"Our primary focus at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has always been promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign," said Barun.

That's never stopped them before.
 
2012-10-16 07:21:40 PM

UberDave: And once again, Kristen Stewart is here to convey my surprise at this development...

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I never thought that being photographed while about to be overtaken by a heroin nod would become something useful, but here it actually works.
 
2012-10-16 07:23:09 PM
I heard his honey maid him make this decision.
 
2012-10-16 07:23:12 PM
The most important thing, he said, is for Americans to select the person who is most qualified to be president.

And if that person happens to be gay? Or an atheist? Or a gaytheist? You'd be fine with that, right?
 
2012-10-16 07:25:50 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I heard his honey maid boy toy made him make this decision.

 
2012-10-16 07:26:31 PM
Crust?

/the hell?
 
2012-10-16 07:27:24 PM

fusillade762: The most important thing, he said, is for Americans to select the person who is most qualified to be president.

And if that person happens to be gay? Or an atheist? Or a gaytheist? You'd be fine with that, right?


Abominations unto the LORD are not "persons"
 
2012-10-16 07:33:38 PM
It all works out to some point value calculations for a guy like Billy Graham:

Protestant: +10
Catholic or Jew: 0
Mormon: -5
Muslim: -10

Republican: +10
Nonpartisan: 0
Democrat: -5

By that scale, Mittens' score is as follows:
(-5) + (+10) = 5

While Obama's actual score is as follows:
(+10) + (-5) = 5

So it should be a tie, which means it goes to the tiebreaker--and I think we all know what that is. Also, Graham may be under the mistaken impresion that Obama gets a -10 rather than a +10 on the first group, which in his addled mind would make Mittens the clear winner on points.
 
2012-10-16 07:36:57 PM
Evangelical Christians have discovered that the Mormon practice of 'Lying for the Lord' works well for christian conservatism...
 
2012-10-16 07:42:40 PM
What right does Billy Graham's cult have calling Mitt Ronmey's cult a cult?
 
2012-10-16 07:45:01 PM
Good. I don't like it when I agree with BIlly Graham...
 
2012-10-16 07:51:18 PM
Mark my words. As soon as this election is over, the fundamentalist evangelicals will get right back to calling the Mormons a 'cult' againahh...the everlasting, never-changing, irrefutable word of God.
 
2012-10-16 07:53:48 PM

Cyberluddite: It all works out to some point value calculations for a guy like Billy Graham:

Protestant: +10
Catholic or Jew: 0
Mormon: -5
Muslim: -10

Republican: +10
Nonpartisan: 0
Democrat: -5

By that scale, Mittens' score is as follows:
(-5) + (+10) = 5

While Obama's actual score is as follows:
(+10) + (-5) = 5

So it should be a tie, which means it goes to the tiebreaker--and I think we all know what that is. Also, Graham may be under the mistaken impresion that Obama gets a -10 rather than a +10 on the first group, which in his addled mind would make Mittens the clear winner on points.


I'm getting -15 for Obama's score, using a graham perspective.
 
2012-10-16 07:57:44 PM
oh Billy, you have the integrity of a drug addict.
 
2012-10-16 07:59:05 PM

Cyberluddite: It all works out to some point value calculations for a guy like Billy Graham:

Protestant: +10
Catholic or Jew: 0
Mormon: -5
Muslim: -10

Republican: +10
Nonpartisan: 0
Democrat: -5

By that scale, Mittens' score is as follows:
(-5) + (+10) = 5

While Obama's actual score is as follows:
(+10) + (-5) = 5

So it should be a tie, which means it goes to the tiebreaker--and I think we all know what that is. Also, Graham may be under the mistaken impresion that Obama gets a -10 rather than a +10 on the first group, which in his addled mind would make Mittens the clear winner on points.


you are failing to take into account obama's status as secret muslim which we all just know he is. also i see no point scale for communist-socialist-non citizen.
no-brainer, really. romney wins 5 to -10,763.
FLAWLESS VICTORY

also, obama is black, and doesn't see homosexuals as second class citizens
 
2012-10-16 08:03:00 PM
really Billy, that is what you have reduced your religion to? gay bashing? what a piece of shiat.
 
2012-10-16 08:03:24 PM

Isitoveryet: oh Billy, you have the integrity of a drug addict.

 
2012-10-16 08:05:29 PM
Christian hypocrisy: Something against your religious beliefs is fundamentally wrong and you are wholeheartedly against it... until it benefits you! (E.G. the "prosperity doctrine")
 
2012-10-16 08:05:56 PM
At least they still call them "Deviants".
 
2012-10-16 08:12:26 PM
Billy Graham, I am disappoint.
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2012-10-16 08:12:39 PM

Lurk sober post drunk: Cyberluddite: So it should be a tie, which means it goes to the tiebreaker--and I think we all know what that is. Also, Graham may be under the mistaken impresion that Obama gets a -10 rather than a +10 on the first group, which in his addled mind would make Mittens the clear winner on points.

you are failing to take into account obama's status as secret muslim which we all just know he is.


The sentence you wrote above is contradicted by what I just put in bold there.
 
2012-10-16 08:26:59 PM
Seeing the evangelicals force themselves to choke down that Mormon plutocrat cock rather than endorse a black Protestant Democrat is one of the few joys I have this election season.
 
2012-10-16 08:37:03 PM
There are cults that you would be able to describe as Christian, and non-Christian groups that are not cults (First Church of Christ, Scientist, for example).

Mormonism isn't a trinitarian belief, so it's not Christian. It doesn't strike me as insular enough to be a cult.
 
2012-10-16 08:50:49 PM

Lionel Mandrake: He later added, ".... I hope millions of Americans will join me in praying for our nation and to vote for candidates who will support the biblical definition of marriage..."

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 720x540]
[bobcargill.files.wordpress.com image 720x540]

"...[and] protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms."

Including the freedom to force other people to conform to our (erroneous) definition of "biblical marriage"

Thanks, but no thanks, Billy


Better watch it. You will accept his version of marriage or he'll have the Serbian army gang rape you. It a classic strategy that worked well in the 90s.
 
2012-10-16 08:53:07 PM

Cyberluddite: Protestant: +10
Catholic or Jew: 0
Mormon: -5
Muslim: -10


I think this is probably a sliding scale. Protestantism can simultaneously be the overwhelming majority of Americans AND a repressed American minority, but Islam's pretty scary to a whole lot of people.
 
2012-10-16 08:53:20 PM

andrewagill: There are cults that you would be able to describe as Christian, and non-Christian groups that are not cults (First Church of Christ, Scientist, for example).

Mormonism isn't a trinitarian belief, so it's not Christian. It doesn't strike me as insular enough to be a cult.


Since we all know the trinity is in the Bible...

>.>
 
2012-10-16 08:57:18 PM
So: what is the consensus about a Scientologist as President?

Seriously. I've heard rumors that John Travolta is gonna use his wealth (net worth $160 million) to run in 2016. He'll pick Tom Cruise as VP and the entire Church of Scientology will conduct PsyOp to get them elected.
 
2012-10-16 09:04:01 PM
That's mighty white of him!
 
2012-10-16 09:07:02 PM

andrewagill: There are cults that you would be able to describe as Christian, and non-Christian groups that are not cults (First Church of Christ, Scientist, for example).

Mormonism isn't a trinitarian belief, so it's not Christian. It doesn't strike me as insular enough to be a cult.


I was raised in a nazarene house. Taught that catholics/church of christ/jehovah witness/mormons/ and others were going to hell. I turned my cheek when kids beat me up, I read the bible, i prayed every day.

Know what made me quit believing in god?

when I realized that was stupid.
 
2012-10-16 09:07:18 PM
He's still alive?
 
2012-10-16 09:09:22 PM
Heh. So much for the courage of their convictions. It's getting more and more difficult for them to claim moral authority when temporal expedience makes them keep reversing beliefs they have previously insisted were God's will and therefore infallible.
 
2012-10-16 09:20:45 PM
Modmins, PLEASE tell me there's a filter on Crux. The Crust of the matter? Are the mormons the mushrooms on the pizza-pie?
 
2012-10-16 09:26:27 PM

andrewagill: There are cults that you would be able to describe as Christian, and non-Christian groups that are not cults (First Church of Christ, Scientist, for example).

Mormonism isn't a trinitarian belief, so it's not Christian. It doesn't strike me as insular enough to be a cult.


well they have whacked-out afterlife beliefs that sound vaguely like Scientology, they use watered-down rites and symbols of freemasonry, and you can be ostracized for dropping out (or not belonging).

check out http://www.exmormon.org/ for more info.
 
2012-10-16 09:41:17 PM

rustypouch: Since we all know the trinity is in the Bible...

>.>


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2012-10-16 09:47:42 PM

Izunbacol: Modmins, PLEASE tell me there's a filter on Crux. The Crust of the matter? Are the mormons the mushrooms on the pizza-pie?


You fail to get the "Graham" cracker joke?
 
2012-10-16 09:51:49 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Crust?

/the hell?


Izunbacol: Modmins, PLEASE tell me there's a filter on Crux. The Crust of the matter? Are the mormons the mushrooms on the pizza-pie?


Billy Graham crumbles under pressure. Decides that Mormonism is just a kookie version of Christianity. Crust of the matter is finding the right guy for president. Cracker

There. I explained it. The joke is dead.
 
2012-10-16 11:10:07 PM

germ78: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Crust?

/the hell?

Izunbacol: Modmins, PLEASE tell me there's a filter on Crux. The Crust of the matter? Are the mormons the mushrooms on the pizza-pie?

Billy Graham crumbles under pressure. Decides that Mormonism is just a kookie version of Christianity. Crust of the matter is finding the right guy for president. Cracker

There. I explained it. The joke is dead.


D'oh!

/dumbass are I
//apologies, many
 
2012-10-16 11:13:31 PM

Billy may have had a change of heart, but the Wayback Machine never does:


What is a cult?


A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith. It is very important that we recognize cults and avoid any involvement with them. Cults often teach some Christian truth mixed with error, which may be difficult to detect.

There are some features common to most cults:

• They do not adhere solely to the sixty-six books of the Bible as the inspired Word of God. They add their "special revelations" to the Bible and view them as equally authoritative.

• They do not accept that our relationship to Jesus Christ is a reality "by grace through faith" alone, but promote instead a salvation by works.

• They do not give Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, full recognition as the second Person of the Trinity, composed of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spiritists, Scientologists, and others.
 
2012-10-16 11:26:14 PM

Egalitarian: andrewagill: There are cults that you would be able to describe as Christian, and non-Christian groups that are not cults (First Church of Christ, Scientist, for example).

Mormonism isn't a trinitarian belief, so it's not Christian. It doesn't strike me as insular enough to be a cult.

well they have whacked-out afterlife beliefs that sound vaguely like Scientology, they use watered-down rites and symbols of freemasonry, and you can be ostracized for dropping out (or not belonging).

check out http://www.exmormon.org/ for more info.


I'm not saying they're not crazypants, but the usual definition of a cult involves many characteristics (e.g. fanatical devotion to a religious leader, mind control, severing ties to non-cult members) that I don't see in Mormonism.
 
2012-10-16 11:41:46 PM
Christianity isn't kookie? (sic)
 
2012-10-16 11:59:53 PM
It's good to see conservative evangelicals admit to putting politics above truth.
 
2012-10-17 12:00:16 AM

andrewagill: There are cults that you would be able to describe as Christian, and non-Christian groups that are not cults (First Church of Christ, Scientist, for example).
Mormonism isn't a trinitarian belief, so it's not Christian. It doesn't strike me as insular enough to be a cult.


Cult: The founders, who knows it is all a lie, are still alive.
Religion: Those people are dead.
 
2012-10-17 12:14:37 AM

Lionel Mandrake: He later added, ".... I hope millions of Americans will join me in praying for our nation and to vote for candidates who will support the biblical definition of marriage..."

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 720x540]
[bobcargill.files.wordpress.com image 720x540]

"...[and] protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms."

Including the freedom to force other people to conform to our (erroneous) definition of "biblical marriage"

Thanks, but no thanks, Billy


I'm not sure if serious, but....

Just as a point of reference, all of those quotes come from the pre-Christ part of the Bible, with the exception of the one misquote from Mark 12.

And if you read that quoted scripture, it is quoting people who are asking Christ about an unusual, hypothetic situation based on their understanding of the law of moses, asking "resurrection? WTF? What If this bizarre scenario were to take place, and a woman married 7 brothers, one after another, then whose wife would she be in the resurrection? Haha! Got you there, smarty pants" - no one is promoting that scenario. Jesus answer is essentially "idiots. She's no one's wife."

So, in point of fact, exactly none of the quotes are "Christian" concepts or definitions of marriage. None. Zero. They are -all- attributes and concepts, largely taken out of context, of the old mosaic law - the law that Christ "replaced" in Christian theology, or, in the case of the quote of mark, a complete misrepresentation. No one, NO ONE would read that section of quoted scripture and come the conclusion that it was condoning that scenario, or defining marriage that way. Read it yourself if you doubt me.

Don't post stuff as stupid as the westboro Baptist church, please. Show some class.
 
2012-10-17 12:16:31 AM

emersonbiggins: Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spiritists, Scientologists, and others.


How the fark do you call the Unitarians a cult? Seriously, I went to a UU church for years, and you can't get anyone to agree about anything. If you wanted a mass suicide in a Unitarian church, it would involve 3 years of committee meetings, at the end of which they would narrowly pass a resolution affirming the right of people with terminal illnesses to be counseled by their doctors about end-of-life care, including euthanasia.
 
2012-10-17 12:21:08 AM

0Icky0: andrewagill:
Mormonism isn't a trinitarian belief, so it's not Christian Catholic. 


Fixed it for you. Trinitarian stuff was introduced by the Catholics 3-4 centuries after Christianity. The Mormon movement doesn't claim to having the restored Catholic gospel. Just the pre-catholic (actually Christian) one.

If you are going to buy into the post-christian and uniquely catholic doctrines like "trinitarianism", or of the "completeness of the bible" (neither idea is biblical or part of the first several centuries of christianity) then you should also buy into their doctrines of infallible popes and priesthood authority.

Or you can pick and choose and look silly.
 
2012-10-17 12:51:13 AM
"the old mosaic law - the law that Christ "replaced" in Christian theology"

Christ did not replace the old Mosaic law. He claims to "fulfill" it.
 
2012-10-17 12:51:53 AM

Elzar: Evangelical Christians have discovered that the Mormon practice of 'Lying for the Lord' works well for christian conservatism...


Oh, they've been practicing that for a very long time.
 
2012-10-17 01:03:35 AM

Warriors Warriors Warriors: "the old mosaic law - the law that Christ "replaced" in Christian theology"

Christ did not replace the old Mosaic law. He claims to "fulfill" it.


Now, now. How are modern Christians supposed to ignore the ravings and atrocities of their sanitized Hebrew god of war if you hold them to what Jesus said?
 
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