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(The New York Times)   Dear runners, stop that barefoot nonsense and put some shoes on. And guys: wear a shirt for god's sake. Sincerely, Science   (well.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 172
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2012-10-16 03:35:13 PM
IN before bloody nips
 
2012-10-16 03:38:58 PM
BLOODY NIPS!
 
2012-10-16 03:41:53 PM
TFA only addresses energy efficiency when running long distances. Not only that, but (spoilers) 2% increase in efficiency is negligible for anyone who isn't a professional runner.

Frankly, I rather think injuries are the elephant in the room when it comes to distance running and that wasn't mentioned at all.
 
2012-10-16 03:42:29 PM
It doesn't really say that at all. It says this guy found that light shoes are a touch faster, and use 3-4% less energy over long distances than barefoot running... with weights tied to the feet. Nothing really focused on posture, which I think is why people run barefoot.
 
2012-10-16 03:42:42 PM
Oh, this'll get good. Nothing makes popcorn taste better than the deranged rants of barefoot runners.
 
2012-10-16 03:43:22 PM
These are your friends.

sportsandmeat.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-16 03:44:35 PM

GearishFear: It doesn't really say that at all. It says this guy found that light shoes are a touch faster, and use 3-4% less energy over long distances than barefoot running... with weights tied to the feet. Nothing really focused on posture, which I think is why people run barefoot.


people run barefoot because a country in the olympics had barefoot runners (or they practiced barefoot). i kid you not.
at least that's what my boss's hipster kid's reason is.

/the key word there is "hipster" not "intelligent"
 
2012-10-16 03:45:35 PM
Proponents say barefoot running is more natural - humans evolved to run without shoes - and economical. When you lift a shod foot, you have to lift the weight of the shoe, and that requires energy. Added to that effort is the cushioning in shoes, which absorbs energy that should go into propelling you forward.

...

That still leaves questions about the importance of the weight of a runner's shoes and their cushioning. In a study published this year, Dr. Kram and his students found that runners who wore very lightweight shoes were more efficient than those who ran barefoot. (The barefoot runners wore weights on their feet to mimic the weight of the shoes, so that this would not be a factor in the results.)


I don't have a dog in this fight, but... WTF?
 
2012-10-16 03:47:18 PM
Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.
 
2012-10-16 03:51:00 PM
I've never rolled an ankle running in minimalist shoes. I've done it several times in normal running shoes. I also don't run with weights on my feet.
 
2012-10-16 03:51:00 PM

James!: BLOODY NIPS!


What does Jeremy Clarkson's review of this book have to do with anything?

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2012-10-16 03:53:30 PM

Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.


As someone who MUST wear two bras (in any type of weather) while running in order to keep "the girls" in check, let me just say this: I see you running shirtless, I'm going to tweak your bare nipples.
 
2012-10-16 03:55:35 PM
Forefoot runner with minimalist shoes here. To each there own.

I learned to do it while training overseas with high performance athletes who so it as a matter of course. Also, look at almost any animal in the world that has legs built like ours. No heel strikers. Your ankles and calves exist for a reason.

Before running evolved in the 70s into running shoes, people just ran in flats.
 
2012-10-16 03:56:15 PM
dammit. 'their'
 
2012-10-16 03:58:35 PM

BafflerMeal: Forefoot runner with minimalist shoes here. To each there own.

I learned to do it while training overseas with high performance athletes who so it as a matter of course. Also, look at almost any animal in the world that has legs built like ours. No heel strikers. Your ankles and calves exist for a reason.

Before running evolved in the 70s into running shoes, people just ran in flats.


what other animals have legs like ours? we are the only bipedal mammal that runs. The only other animal that moves primarily in a bipedal fashion are birds and their legs are built nothing like our own
 
2012-10-16 04:00:35 PM
I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!
 
2012-10-16 04:00:50 PM
OK so perhaps efficiency is a wash between barefoot / non. What about susceptibility to knee injury?
 
2012-10-16 04:01:40 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

As someone who MUST wear two bras (in any type of weather) while running in order to keep "the girls" in check, let me just say this: I see you running shirtless, I'm going to tweak your bare nipples.


How you doin'?
 
2012-10-16 04:01:51 PM

reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!


Why do you care?
 
2012-10-16 04:03:05 PM

BafflerMeal: Also, look at almost any animal in the world that has legs built like ours. No heel strikers. Your ankles and calves exist for a reason.


Subtle_Canary: what other animals have legs like ours? we are the only bipedal mammal that runs. The only other animal that moves primarily in a bipedal fashion are birds and their legs are built nothing like our own


Heh.
 
2012-10-16 04:04:27 PM

Nadie_AZ: reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!

Why do you care?


Who is that guy that goes barefoot everywhere?
 
2012-10-16 04:06:58 PM

Nadie_AZ: reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!

Why do you care?


Obligatory:
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2012-10-16 04:07:23 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

As someone who MUST wear two bras (in any type of weather) while running in order to keep "the girls" in check, let me just say this: I see you running shirtless, I'm going to tweak your bare nipples.


Everybody who wouldn't mind CheetahOlivetti tweaking their nipples, raise your hands.
 
2012-10-16 04:07:56 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

As someone who MUST wear two bras (in any type of weather) while running in order to keep "the girls" in check, let me just say this: I see you running shirtless, I'm going to tweak your bare nipples.


Prove it.

Also:
courtneyphillips.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-16 04:09:25 PM

violentsalvation: Nadie_AZ: reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!

Why do you care?

Who is that guy that goes barefoot everywhere?


The survival guy? Cody Lundin.
 
2012-10-16 04:09:36 PM

Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.


Speaking as a lady, the only problem I have with men not wearing shirts is that women aren't socially allowed to. Hell I'd get arrested for public indecency if I tried.

If I can't go topless, you can't. Simple as that.
 
2012-10-16 04:14:07 PM
More importantly, how the fark do I not get shin splints? this shiat makes it hard for me to get into running.

/Using Saucony Kinvara2's, new balance running socks.
//NB running shoes caused the same issue.
 
2012-10-16 04:14:41 PM

Nadie_AZ: violentsalvation: Nadie_AZ: reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!

Why do you care?

Who is that guy that goes barefoot everywhere?

The survival guy? Cody Lundin.


Oh yeah, that's him. I had a friend go shoeless for an entire summer between high school and college. His feet were seriously disgusting by August.
 
2012-10-16 04:15:09 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

As someone who MUST wear two bras (in any type of weather) while running in order to keep "the girls" in check, let me just say this: I see you running shirtless, I'm going to tweak your bare nipples.


I've always wondered, sometimes I hear women say this, but is it a pure size issue? Couldn't a bra be fitted to control those things without requiring 2? It just seems weird.

Also, I wear vibrams to bike in, and they're super comfy. But I wear sandals or would go barefoot everywhere if able.
 
2012-10-16 04:15:27 PM

Ambivalence: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

Speaking as a lady, the only problem I have with men not wearing shirts is that women aren't socially allowed to. Hell I'd get arrested for public indecency if I tried.

If I can't go topless, you can't. Simple as that.


fark that, I'm of the mind that if men can go topless, so can women, and as soon as I lose all the weight I want to lose, plan to do so as a campaign to get more topless skinny women.
 
2012-10-16 04:18:16 PM

reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!


I thought the same thing... until I tried them out. They are awesome!

I had to stop running because of knee/ankle problems: I no longer have any.

Not to mention running in them, you can feel the shape of the ground: once you've built up the respective muscles, it's actually more enjoyable running in them than in traditional running shoes: I have a greater awareness of the surface, and more control over uneven surfaces. At this point, going back to traditional running shoes, I'd feel hobbled.
 
2012-10-16 04:22:29 PM

Girion47: More importantly, how the fark do I not get shin splints? this shiat makes it hard for me to get into running.

/Using Saucony Kinvara2's, new balance running socks.
//NB running shoes caused the same issue.


I switched from socks with no extra padding on the bottom to socks with some extra padding on the bottom and i don't get shin splints running outside. i have tried many different pairs of shoes. the one variable that makes all the difference is the pair of socks i use.
 
2012-10-16 04:23:29 PM
When I ran in regular running shoes I would always have bad knee and hip pain the following day. Once I transitioned to running in fivefingers I could run without the pain the next day. I figure the arch of my foot and my calf muscles are reducing the shock to my knees.

I do wear my fivefingers just about everywhere because they're comfortable. Then again I may also be a douche, so there's that.
 
2012-10-16 04:25:05 PM
Yeah, because a few hundred years of shoe making trumps tens of thousands of years of evolution. Seems like common freaking sense to me honestly.
 
2012-10-16 04:28:13 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

As someone who MUST wear two bras (in any type of weather) while running in order to keep "the girls" in check, let me just say this: I see you running shirtless, I'm going to tweak your bare nipples.


My wife does the same; she swears they haven't made a sports bra that actually works.

As far as guys running without a shirt... You are not helping yourself! I get the avoiding laundry aspect, but in terms of efficiently cooling your body, going shirtless is actually more likely to dehydrate you because the wind on your exposed skin whips away any moisture. When it is stupid hot out, I'll wrap ice cubes in a bandana and drape them around my neck; works infinitely better than no shirt.
 
2012-10-16 04:28:34 PM

Ambivalence: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

Speaking as a lady, the only problem I have with men not wearing shirts is that women aren't socially allowed to. Hell I'd get arrested for public indecency if I tried.

If I can't go topless, you can't. Simple as that.



When you run, even in the heat, you should wear a wicking synthetic light shirt that is semi-loose. You lose less moisture as opposed to going shirtless and it keeps you cool while running (the same applies to sweat-inducing back country excursions/hikes). Synthetic shirts don't hold odor as well either. But if you don't want to deal with laundry, all you have to do is take your shirt in the shower, give it a couple slaps of soap, scrub it for a minute or two, then wring out and hang on the shower with your towel. It's ready to go the next morning (do this on business trips where I only have one set of running clothes and no laundry access).
 
2012-10-16 04:32:01 PM

Nadie_AZ: reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!

Why do you care?


Because its not often that I feel embarrassed for other people, but those shoes make you look farking stupid. I believe people when they tell me that those shoes are super comfortable/effective for running, but that doesn't make them any less douchey looking. Crocs and Uggs fall into this same category. Both comfortable shoes and effective for their purposes, but look extra dumb.

/nothing against you dude, I just think your choice in footwear is ugly
 
2012-10-16 04:33:05 PM

UberDave: Ambivalence: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

Speaking as a lady, the only problem I have with men not wearing shirts is that women aren't socially allowed to. Hell I'd get arrested for public indecency if I tried.

If I can't go topless, you can't. Simple as that.


When you run, even in the heat, you should wear a wicking synthetic light shirt that is semi-loose. You lose less moisture as opposed to going shirtless and it keeps you cool while running (the same applies to sweat-inducing back country excursions/hikes). Synthetic shirts don't hold odor as well either. But if you don't want to deal with laundry, all you have to do is take your shirt in the shower, give it a couple slaps of soap, scrub it for a minute or two, then wring out and hang on the shower with your towel. It's ready to go the next morning (do this on business trips where I only have one set of running clothes and no laundry access).


Good, timely advice ;)
 
2012-10-16 04:34:15 PM

Girion47: fark that, I'm of the mind that if men can go topless, so can women, and as soon as I lose all the weight I want to lose, plan to do so as a campaign to get more topless skinny women.


Freedom for one is freedom for all. Not just the skinny women but the fat and old women will be allowed to go topless too.

Better to just cover that shiat because I guarantee no one wnats to see ME topless.
 
2012-10-16 04:34:41 PM

SlothB77: Girion47: More importantly, how the fark do I not get shin splints? this shiat makes it hard for me to get into running.

/Using Saucony Kinvara2's, new balance running socks.
//NB running shoes caused the same issue.

I switched from socks with no extra padding on the bottom to socks with some extra padding on the bottom and i don't get shin splints running outside. i have tried many different pairs of shoes. the one variable that makes all the difference is the pair of socks i use.


That's a good start. THORLO Experia are the best. Your feet will thank you.

Also, Girion47, try shortening your stride and make sure your foot is landing more flat. And make sure you have a decent shoe. If you got the splints, rub on some heat before workout. They may take a while to go away until your legs get in better shape and you use your thighs more.
 
2012-10-16 04:37:15 PM
I run in Crocs.

/mwah ha ha
 
2012-10-16 04:38:30 PM

drewogatory: Yeah, because a few hundred years of shoe making trumps tens of thousands of years of evolution. Seems like common freaking sense to me honestly.


You may be off by a few hundred thousand years.

Are you running on the African Steppes? No? Then you're doing something your foot wasn't designed to do. Get over yourself and let technology help.
 
2012-10-16 04:39:14 PM

Ambivalence: Falco09: Sorry, but if it's 75 degrees or up I'm not wearing a shirt on my run. It'll just get drenched with sweat and add to my laundry load. Tell your lady friend to stop staring at my glistening abs as I go past. I'm not a piece of meat.

/Prefer to run in the cold with all extremities covered.

Speaking as a lady, the only problem I have with men not wearing shirts is that women aren't socially allowed to. Hell I'd get arrested for public indecency if I tried.

If I can't go topless, you can't. Simple as that.


and I am convinced you still pay the cover charge on Ladies Night and have never accepted a drink for free, flirted your way out of a speeding ticket or have ever received preferential treatment for having said breasts.

Woman hits a man in public, nothing. Man hits a woman in public, he gets jumped by every other guy. Life isn't always fair.

There are gender differences, accept them. Or do you feel that females should undergo the same physical tests that men do for firefighting, military etc?

/feel as if I bit the troll bait.
 
2012-10-16 04:39:29 PM

Ambivalence: Speaking as a lady, the only problem I have with men not wearing shirts is that women aren't socially allowed to. Hell I'd get arrested for public indecency if I tried.

If I can't go topless, you can't. Simple as that.



Yeah, but if I falsely accuse you of rape, they won't believe me, so I guess we're even, right? 

/got nothin'
 
2012-10-16 04:40:44 PM

kbotc: drewogatory: Yeah, because a few hundred years of shoe making trumps tens of thousands of years of evolution. Seems like common freaking sense to me honestly.

You may be off by a few hundred thousand years.

Are you running on the African Steppes? No? Then you're doing something your foot wasn't designed to do. Get over yourself and let technology help.


Same reason horses get shoes.
 
2012-10-16 04:41:48 PM
Worse running i ever did was at boot camp. I went to basic with a track background but when they janked my Asics and made me run in those blocky hard foam new balance abominations i thought my shins were going to explode. Took a month of breaking in and wearing my own shoes after basic before my shin splints went away again.
 
2012-10-16 04:41:55 PM
I'll just drop by here to say that I've been a runner for almost 40 years. I've always been a midfoot striker. Sometimes when I couldn't find shoes that were flexible enough and with a low enough heel, I'd train in racing flats. Now that minimalist shoes are popular, life is good. Nike Run Free & Brooks Pure Flow are my current favorites,

So keep buying those minimalist shoes everyone so I'll have more to choose from.
 
2012-10-16 04:42:27 PM

reklamfox: Nadie_AZ: reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!

Why do you care?

Because its not often that I feel embarrassed for other people, but those shoes make you look farking stupid. I believe people when they tell me that those shoes are super comfortable/effective for running, but that doesn't make them any less douchey looking. Crocs and Uggs fall into this same category. Both comfortable shoes and effective for their purposes, but look extra dumb.

/nothing against you dude, I just think your choice in footwear is ugly


That's just like your opinion, man. Running in toe shoes is amazing. I have such muscular calves and ankles. Muscles that don't developed because your shoes give too much arch support making your muscles atrophy.
 
2012-10-16 04:45:04 PM
I don't run so much any more, but I can say that the vibrams make the best shoes for squats and deadlifts-really any standing lifts.
 
2012-10-16 04:45:51 PM

Toy_Cop: reklamfox: Nadie_AZ: reklamfox: I can't believe no one has addressed how douchey those shoes with the individual toes are. I'm usually all for people wearing whatever they feel comfortable in, but for whatever reason those shoes immediately make me think you're a douche. They just look so damn stupid!

Why do you care?

Because its not often that I feel embarrassed for other people, but those shoes make you look farking stupid. I believe people when they tell me that those shoes are super comfortable/effective for running, but that doesn't make them any less douchey looking. Crocs and Uggs fall into this same category. Both comfortable shoes and effective for their purposes, but look extra dumb.

/nothing against you dude, I just think your choice in footwear is ugly

That's just like your opinion, man. Running in toe shoes is amazing. I have such muscular calves and ankles. Muscles that don't developed because your shoes give too much arch support making your muscles atrophy.


Also, since using the vibrams for all my workouts, I've had fewer ankle issues.
 
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