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2012-10-16 11:17:25 AM  

dinomyar: Weaver95: it comes down to labor costs

um...no.

It comes down to how much its consumers are willing to pay for their products. When cheap foreign products are imported and undercut the price of domestic products, companies have no choice but to lower their costs and prices to compete, else they go out of business. Since the cost of raw materials have leveled out over the years, the only way to cut costs are through labor. If the OTHER countries had laws/rules that forces them to pay their workers better wages, then this would be a non-issue and more products would be made here.


you just talked yourself around into agreeing with me.
 
2012-10-16 11:18:02 AM  

madgonad: USSR did have a ruling class - the party and party leaders. There is always going to be a ruling class. Just like there will always be managers. If you get rid of the old bosses there will just be new bosses. Far better to create rules and barriers that shift the wealth away from the top (insert FDR). The problem is that most people don't vote in their own interest. They vote based upon abortion or wanting a big tax break when the become millionaires next year.


Of course the USSR had a ruling class, that's kind of my point. Class structure like that has never worked in the whole history of the world. And, yes, we have taken steps on the road away from that. The fact that you're even talking about voting is proof of that.

Liberals make me crazy. When you buy a car, do you start haggling at the sticker price?
 
2012-10-16 11:18:39 AM  

dinomyar: If the OTHER countries had laws/rules that forces them to pay their workers better wages, then this would be a non-issue and more products would be made here.


OR imagine if workers of the world united in common cause against their overlords..... Ahhh the end of capitalism can't come soon enough.
 
2012-10-16 11:19:53 AM  

Leeds: since many Americans are desperate for a job ..... they have to go along with what their bosses say

How many out of work people have bosses? I'd laugh if these two comments were a paragraph apart, but it's unsettling that they are back to back almost as though the author lost his train of thought mid sentence and just said fark it and kept typing.


Those actually aren't contradictory in the slightest. Currently many people who have jobs are very much aware that they can be easily replaced at any time since there are plenty of unemployed people with similar skills to theirs. They know that this is an employers market, not an employees.

Which is exactly how the "Job Creators" like it.
 
2012-10-16 11:21:10 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: madgonad: USSR did have a ruling class - the party and party leaders. There is always going to be a ruling class. Just like there will always be managers. If you get rid of the old bosses there will just be new bosses. Far better to create rules and barriers that shift the wealth away from the top (insert FDR). The problem is that most people don't vote in their own interest. They vote based upon abortion or wanting a big tax break when the become millionaires next year.

Of course the USSR had a ruling class, that's kind of my point. Class structure like that has never worked in the whole history of the world. And, yes, we have taken steps on the road away from that. The fact that you're even talking about voting is proof of that.

Liberals make me crazy. When you buy a car, do you start haggling at the sticker price?


The USSR had potential. That was all dashed with Stalin. If you read Lenin's State & Revolution he basically says at the end of the day Communists and Anarchists want the same thing, it's just a matter of how we get there. There needs to be more unity among red and black. Would it help if us reds apologized for Kronstadt?
 
2012-10-16 11:23:19 AM  

Weaver95: dinomyar: Weaver95: it comes down to labor costs

um...no.

It comes down to how much its consumers are willing to pay for their products. When cheap foreign products are imported and undercut the price of domestic products, companies have no choice but to lower their costs and prices to compete, else they go out of business. Since the cost of raw materials have leveled out over the years, the only way to cut costs are through labor. If the OTHER countries had laws/rules that forces them to pay their workers better wages, then this would be a non-issue and more products would be made here.

you just talked yourself around into agreeing with me.


If we were really interested in "free trade" we would place massive tariffs on imports from countries that did not maintain a base amount of labor rights. We're still the largest market and because of that, we still have weight to throw around. Since we don't do that any more, the globe is open for any shiathole tin-pot country to undercut developed nations with near slave labor, unsafe working conditions along with world-affecting pollution just so you can get your Galaxy SIII for $50.
 
2012-10-16 11:23:30 AM  
How the fark are they going to know who you voted for unless you tell them? It's a bluff, and a poor one at that. But I'm sure some people will fall for it, because they are sheep.
 
2012-10-16 11:24:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.

No, it's because they can pay people next to nothing there. Full stop. No other motivation is needed.


That and they can dump whatever toxins they want into the Chinese air and water.
 
2012-10-16 11:25:26 AM  

FarkedOver: A Dark Evil Omen: madgonad: USSR did have a ruling class - the party and party leaders. There is always going to be a ruling class. Just like there will always be managers. If you get rid of the old bosses there will just be new bosses. Far better to create rules and barriers that shift the wealth away from the top (insert FDR). The problem is that most people don't vote in their own interest. They vote based upon abortion or wanting a big tax break when the become millionaires next year.

Of course the USSR had a ruling class, that's kind of my point. Class structure like that has never worked in the whole history of the world. And, yes, we have taken steps on the road away from that. The fact that you're even talking about voting is proof of that.

Liberals make me crazy. When you buy a car, do you start haggling at the sticker price?

The USSR had potential. That was all dashed with Stalin. If you read Lenin's State & Revolution he basically says at the end of the day Communists and Anarchists want the same thing, it's just a matter of how we get there. There needs to be more unity among red and black. Would it help if us reds apologized for Kronstadt?


The USSR never had potential. Lenin was as much a totalitarian as Stalin, just slightly less genocidal.

The Bolshevik program was always based on repression and setting up the "Vanguard Party" as a ruling class. Lenin was too impatient and decided to take the short cut of forcing change through terror, not education.
 
2012-10-16 11:25:26 AM  

gearsprocket: Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals.


It's because US workers have had a living wage for a long time, thanks to the unions. That living wage gave us a strong middle class, and that strong middle class fueled our strong economy.

Now dickheads like you want to tear that all down in the name of making the rich richer.
 
2012-10-16 11:25:31 AM  

FarkedOver: The USSR had potential. That was all dashed with Stalin. If you read Lenin's State & Revolution he basically says at the end of the day Communists and Anarchists want the same thing, it's just a matter of how we get there. There needs to be more unity among red and black. Would it help if us reds apologized for Kronstadt?


You know, I really have no problem with communists and socialists. As you say, at the end of the day we're all pointing in the same direction; Soviet-style communism was a failed experiment, we learn from it, we move on. My issue is with people we should be making common cause with who would rather side against their own interests for fear that they might actually get the things they are ostensibly interested in.
 
2012-10-16 11:27:17 AM  

Weaver95: gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.

um...no.

companies move jobs overseas because they'd rather pay labor .30 cents on the dollar rather than US minimum wage. the rest is just smoke and mirrors - it comes down to labor costs. chinese slave labor is dirt cheap, plus you can abuse the shiat outta chinese workers and they line up to thank you for it.

what always confuses me is how Republicans can consider themselves 'good christians' while endorsing de facto slave labor practices...I just don't get that.


It's because of the religion itself. When you believe you've got a deity's blessing there is absolutely nothing that can't be rationalized away. Remember how many christians supported slavery.

Then remember one of those supporters of slavery was actually Christ himself.
 
2012-10-16 11:28:01 AM  
For 47 percent of Americans, Obama is their boss.

Or so I've heard.
 
2012-10-16 11:28:21 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The USSR never had potential. Lenin was as much a totalitarian as Stalin, just slightly less genocidal.

The Bolshevik program was always based on repression and setting up the "Vanguard Party" as a ruling class. Lenin was too impatient and decided to take the short cut of forcing change through terror, not education.


Lenin is some what of a strange character. He wrote a lot of nice things but never implemented them. Hey! Kind of like Candidate Obama and President Obama!
 
2012-10-16 11:29:12 AM  
1. Pay your employees so little that they have to utilize government welfare to survive.
2. Insist that your employees vote for the candidate that wants to cut government welfare.
3. Profit.
 
2012-10-16 11:32:50 AM  
How the hell is a CEO or a union going to know who you voted for?
 
2012-10-16 11:36:10 AM  

FarkedOver: Which is why I am not an anarchist. I think socialism is a much better way to go.


I think socialism is great... for certain things. Socialism works great for the military, police, fire, and health care. For things that we all need or will need - socialism is the best way to efficiently provide services, reduce free-riders, and save money. Those services don't really play by capitalist rules very well anyway. People forget that many police functions were once private sector - remember the Pinkertons? What we have now is much better.

However, capitalism works best for most goods and services.
 
2012-10-16 11:38:18 AM  

FarkedOver: The USSR had potential.

 

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2012-10-16 11:39:15 AM  

madgonad: gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.

BS

Businesses offshore because it is cheaper and some/all of their competitors do it. Offshoring = more money for executives and shareholders

There is NOTHING that can't be done cheaper overseas, NOTHING.

New Balance hasn't offshored and they have no problem competing against Nike. They just aren't as profitable. It is all about management/ownership wanting a bigger piece of the pie and free trade eliminates all barriers to it.


From Wiki: 70% of New Balance shoes are now made in China. 5% Vietnam
 
2012-10-16 11:39:54 AM  

jigger: How the hell is a CEO or a union going to know who you voted for?


oh that's the best part! see, they won't know for sure who voted for whom. I suppose if they wanted to make an effort, they could get a hold of the voter rolls and find out who is registered democrat and if they voted in the election. it's a matter of public record after all. then use THAT list to decide who gets fired and who doesn't. But again...that's effort. I think it far more likely that these guys will simply fire people as they often do and use Obama as the excuse.
 
2012-10-16 11:40:01 AM  

Weaver95: companies move jobs overseas because they'd rather pay labor .30 cents on the dollar rather than US minimum wage. the rest is just smoke and mirrors - it comes down to labor costs


dinomyar: um...no.

It comes down to how much its consumers are willing to pay for their products. When cheap foreign products are imported and undercut the price of domestic products, companies have no choice but to lower their costs and prices to compete, else they go out of business. Since the cost of raw materials have leveled out over the years, the only way to cut costs are through labor. If the OTHER countries had laws/rules that forces them to pay their workers better wages, then this would be a non-issue and more products would be made here.


So, it all comes down to labor costs. That sure was a lot of words to say "You're right, Weaver95"
 
2012-10-16 11:40:51 AM  

madgonad: Socialism works great for the military, police, fire, and health care. For things that we all need or will need - socialism is the best way to efficiently provide services, reduce free-riders, and save money.


The military saves money? Police forces save money? Ok, if you say so.
 
2012-10-16 11:40:54 AM  

FarkedOver: madgonad: USSR did have a ruling class - the party and party leaders. There is always going to be a ruling class. Just like there will always be managers. If you get rid of the old bosses there will just be new bosses. Far better to create rules and barriers that shift the wealth away from the top (insert FDR). The problem is that most people don't vote in their own interest. They vote based upon abortion or wanting a big tax break when the become millionaires next year.

You believe there will always be class divisions? You really don't think much of the human race do you? There will be life after capitalism, I know it's hard to fathom but it will happen.


No, I don't. Humans are vile, selfish, and cruel animals. Population densities greater than 10 per square mile require control to prevent people from killing each other. The days of families clinging together during westward expansion is over. The environment is not a universal threat that unites us in common purpose anymore. There are just too many of us - it requires tight management, constant technology advancement, and a fixed power structure to keep resources flowing. Katrina is a prime example of what happens, even with small populations, when the boot of authority is lifted and necessities become scarce.
 
2012-10-16 11:41:04 AM  

Weaver95: personally, I think it's AWESOME to see the 1% abuse their wage slaves and then turn around and try to force them to vote in favor of their chosen elite political candidate. I can think of no better recruiting tool for the Democrats.


This.

CSB. We've been bombarded all year with political themed e-mails supposedly from our CEO telling us how important it is to vote in the companies best interests this year. So much so that at the "Open Town-hall" style meeting he held with us two weeks ago the number one comment from everyone in attendance was "Stop telling us how to vote" or in a few awesome cases, the more pro-active "I'm gonna vote for the other guy just to piss you off". At first the CEO didn't know what e-mails everybody was talking about (of course), then after one of his Homunculi whispered in his ear he told us that if we didn't like them we should just add them to the junk mail folder, at that point somebody stood up and told him that if you try to add him to the junk mail list you get a 'this function disabled by company policy' message (which is true you can't add any of the Executives in the company to the junk mail senders list in Exchange). He said he'd look into it, answered 2 more questions and then hustled out of the auditorium with his group of handlers.

Last week, got three "Vote for Romney" e-mails (without actually mentioning Romney by name) e-mails. Still can't block them.
 
2012-10-16 11:44:35 AM  

madgonad:
No, I don't. Humans are vile, selfish, and cruel animals. Population densities greater than 10 per square mile require control to prevent people from killing each other. The days of families clinging together during westward expansion is over. The environment is not a universal threat that unites us in common purpose anymore. There are just too many of us - it requires tight management, constant technology advancement, and a fixed power structure to keep resources flowing. Katrina is a prime example of what happens, even with small populations, when the boot of authority is lifted and necessities become scarce.


I liked it when the cops started looting stores and shooting citizens who were looking for help/assistance. yeah - GREAT example of authority in action there, lemme tell ya!
 
2012-10-16 11:45:17 AM  

jigger: madgonad: Socialism works great for the military, police, fire, and health care. For things that we all need or will need - socialism is the best way to efficiently provide services, reduce free-riders, and save money.

The military saves money? Police forces save money? Ok, if you say so.


Just because the United States has such small penises that we have to dump 5-7% of our GDP on guns and bombs doesn't mean the rest of the world does. Wasting money on defense is a uniquely American thing to do.

And the police are actually quite good. The prison system is the boondoggle in law enforcement - and looky there - for-profit prisons. That and making ever more laws to incarcerate for meaningless crimes (drugs). That is capitalism creeping in and raising costs.
 
2012-10-16 11:46:18 AM  

Weaver95: jigger: How the hell is a CEO or a union going to know who you voted for?

oh that's the best part! see, they won't know for sure who voted for whom. I suppose if they wanted to make an effort, they could get a hold of the voter rolls and find out who is registered democrat and if they voted in the election. it's a matter of public record after all. then use THAT list to decide who gets fired and who doesn't. But again...that's effort. I think it far more likely that these guys will simply fire people as they often do and use Obama as the excuse.


Party registration just determines if you can vote in primaries and only in states with closed primaries. People register under a party sometimes just to skew primary results. It doesn't say who you voted for.
 
2012-10-16 11:47:10 AM  

gearsprocket: Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States?


I already know. It's because they can work Chinese people to death and nobody will stand up for them.
 
2012-10-16 11:48:06 AM  

HeartBurnKid: gearsprocket: Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States?

I already know. It's because they can work Chinese people to death and nobody will stand up for them.


Mitt Romney will stand up for the businesses that work Chinese people to death.
 
2012-10-16 11:48:59 AM  

jigger: madgonad: Socialism works great for the military, police, fire, and health care. For things that we all need or will need - socialism is the best way to efficiently provide services, reduce free-riders, and save money.

The military saves money? Police forces save money? Ok, if you say so.


It saves money over everybody having to hire private security.

/also, less of a clusterfark
 
2012-10-16 11:49:08 AM  

jigger: Weaver95: jigger: How the hell is a CEO or a union going to know who you voted for?

oh that's the best part! see, they won't know for sure who voted for whom. I suppose if they wanted to make an effort, they could get a hold of the voter rolls and find out who is registered democrat and if they voted in the election. it's a matter of public record after all. then use THAT list to decide who gets fired and who doesn't. But again...that's effort. I think it far more likely that these guys will simply fire people as they often do and use Obama as the excuse.

Party registration just determines if you can vote in primaries and only in states with closed primaries. People register under a party sometimes just to skew primary results. It doesn't say who you voted for.


it gives you a starting point though. if a company wanted to purge their rank and file of 'socialist elements' and achieve political purity they could easily start with the voter rolls.
 
2012-10-16 11:49:16 AM  

Weaver95: madgonad:
No, I don't. Humans are vile, selfish, and cruel animals. Population densities greater than 10 per square mile require control to prevent people from killing each other. The days of families clinging together during westward expansion is over. The environment is not a universal threat that unites us in common purpose anymore. There are just too many of us - it requires tight management, constant technology advancement, and a fixed power structure to keep resources flowing. Katrina is a prime example of what happens, even with small populations, when the boot of authority is lifted and necessities become scarce.

I liked it when the cops started looting stores and shooting citizens who were looking for help/assistance. yeah - GREAT example of authority in action there, lemme tell ya!


The shootings were suburban cops shooting/chasing-off the blacks from New Orleans that were trying to flee because help wasn't coming. The cops shifted from their previous rolls to local parochial/tribal enforcers since there wasn't a State or Federal presence to provide order.
 
2012-10-16 11:51:39 AM  

madgonad: jigger: madgonad: Socialism works great for the military, police, fire, and health care. For things that we all need or will need - socialism is the best way to efficiently provide services, reduce free-riders, and save money.

The military saves money? Police forces save money? Ok, if you say so.

Just because the United States has such small penises that we have to dump 5-7% of our GDP on guns and bombs doesn't mean the rest of the world does. Wasting money on defense is a uniquely American thing to do.

And the police are actually quite good. The prison system is the boondoggle in law enforcement - and looky there - for-profit prisons. That and making ever more laws to incarcerate for meaningless crimes (drugs). That is capitalism creeping in and raising costs.


Police forces, especially in America, have multiple redundancies. There are a ridiculous number of layers and heirarchies of police and a ridiculous number of agencies. The number of police officers and police agencies in this country is absurd. Not to mention all the expensive gadgets, weapons, and vehicles they squander money on.
 
2012-10-16 11:52:17 AM  

HeartBurnKid: jigger: madgonad: Socialism works great for the military, police, fire, and health care. For things that we all need or will need - socialism is the best way to efficiently provide services, reduce free-riders, and save money.

The military saves money? Police forces save money? Ok, if you say so.

It saves money over everybody having to hire private security.


I seriously question that. Yeah, the US military is that stupidly expensive.
 
2012-10-16 11:52:48 AM  

madgonad: Weaver95: madgonad:
No, I don't. Humans are vile, selfish, and cruel animals. Population densities greater than 10 per square mile require control to prevent people from killing each other. The days of families clinging together during westward expansion is over. The environment is not a universal threat that unites us in common purpose anymore. There are just too many of us - it requires tight management, constant technology advancement, and a fixed power structure to keep resources flowing. Katrina is a prime example of what happens, even with small populations, when the boot of authority is lifted and necessities become scarce.

I liked it when the cops started looting stores and shooting citizens who were looking for help/assistance. yeah - GREAT example of authority in action there, lemme tell ya!

The shootings were suburban cops shooting/chasing-off the blacks from New Orleans that were trying to flee because help wasn't coming. The cops shifted from their previous rolls to local parochial/tribal enforcers since there wasn't a State or Federal presence to provide order.


There were plenty of shootings by the NOPD. 5 were convicted for the Danzinger bridge murders.
 
2012-10-16 11:52:52 AM  

Weaver95: it gives you a starting point though. if a company wanted to purge their rank and file of 'socialist elements' and achieve political purity they could easily start with the voter rolls.


If they wanted to...
 
2012-10-16 11:53:16 AM  

madgonad: Weaver95: madgonad:
No, I don't. Humans are vile, selfish, and cruel animals. Population densities greater than 10 per square mile require control to prevent people from killing each other. The days of families clinging together during westward expansion is over. The environment is not a universal threat that unites us in common purpose anymore. There are just too many of us - it requires tight management, constant technology advancement, and a fixed power structure to keep resources flowing. Katrina is a prime example of what happens, even with small populations, when the boot of authority is lifted and necessities become scarce.

I liked it when the cops started looting stores and shooting citizens who were looking for help/assistance. yeah - GREAT example of authority in action there, lemme tell ya!

The shootings were suburban cops shooting/chasing-off the blacks from New Orleans that were trying to flee because help wasn't coming. The cops shifted from their previous rolls to local parochial/tribal enforcers since there wasn't a State or Federal presence to provide order.


no, the cops just figured 'what the hell' and started looting just like everyone else. they also seized guns, shot innocent bystanders and basically accelerated the collapse of local government. yay authority!
 
2012-10-16 11:55:02 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg:
There were plenty of shootings by the NOPD. 5 were convicted for the Danzinger bridge murders.


I'll say one thing - if i'm ever in a 'collapse of civilization' type situation i'm not going to automatically trust ANYONE. i'll stay quiet, observe from a distance and keep a low profile until i'm sure who is doing what to whom.
 
2012-10-16 11:56:36 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: So, it all comes down to labor costs. That sure was a lot of words to say "You're right, Weaver95"


No. Weaver95 said it is because businesses would "rather pay labor .30 cents". It is not about how much they are willing to pay. It is about costs to be competative. If labor was the same overseas as here, and materials were cheaper, they would still be sending work overseas to stay competative.
 
2012-10-16 11:57:40 AM  

Weaver95: gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.

um...no.

companies move jobs overseas because they'd rather pay labor .30 cents on the dollar rather than US minimum wage. the rest is just smoke and mirrors - it comes down to labor costs. chinese slave labor is dirt cheap, plus you can abuse the shiat outta chinese workers and they line up to thank you for it.

what always confuses me is how Republicans can consider themselves 'good christians' while endorsing de facto slave labor practices...I just don't get that.



You've just never read the teachings of Supply-Side Jesus.
 
2012-10-16 11:59:43 AM  

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


Toll attempt 3/10.....you forgot the part about gays and Muslims.
 
2012-10-16 12:00:28 PM  

Bag of Hammers:

Last week, got three "Vote for Romney" e-mails (without actually mentioning Romney by name) e-mails. Still can't block them.


Can't you make a rule of some kind that marks the email as "read" and then deletes it?
 
2012-10-16 12:00:38 PM  
I can't wait for the shareholders revolt.

Crippling your own company by refusing to grow it while your competitors are under no such constraint, and BROADCASTING that fact will make for some upset shareholders.
 
2012-10-16 12:02:23 PM  

Weaver95: oh that's the best part! see, they won't know for sure who voted for whom. I suppose if they wanted to make an effort, they could get a hold of the voter rolls and find out who is registered democrat and if they voted in the election. it's a matter of public record after all. then use THAT list to decide who gets fired and who doesn't. But again...that's effort. I think it far more likely that these guys will simply fire people as they often do and use Obama as the excuse.


No need to find out who votes for whom. Just say that if the county in general votes for Obama, I'll fire half of you. The community will keep each other in line.
 
2012-10-16 12:05:01 PM  
Right, because corporate CEOs convincing employees to vote against their own interests is JUST LIKE unions.

HERPITY DERPITY F*CKING DERP, asshole.
 
2012-10-16 12:05:12 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: There were plenty of shootings by the NOPD. 5 were convicted for the Danzinger bridge murders.


That is exactly what I was talking about. No control coming from State/Federal turned cops into local armed thugs - protecting the turf they live in.

Weaver95: no, the cops just figured 'what the hell' and started looting just like everyone else. they also seized guns, shot innocent bystanders and basically accelerated the collapse of local government. yay authority!


Authority doesn't come from the badge - it comes from a working system. They weren't even doing their jobs - enforcing laws - they were just using their guns and badge to do what they wanted. This all proves my point - we need to ruling class and the power structure to control the locals. Otherwise, anyone with a gun and a big mouth will take over.
 
2012-10-16 12:05:37 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: oh that's the best part! see, they won't know for sure who voted for whom. I suppose if they wanted to make an effort, they could get a hold of the voter rolls and find out who is registered democrat and if they voted in the election. it's a matter of public record after all. then use THAT list to decide who gets fired and who doesn't. But again...that's effort. I think it far more likely that these guys will simply fire people as they often do and use Obama as the excuse.

No need to find out who votes for whom. Just say that if the county in general votes for Obama, I'll fire half of you. The community will keep each other in line.


that might cross the line into extortion though. far better to leave things vague and use implied threats. less chance of a lawsuit that way.
 
2012-10-16 12:07:28 PM  

madgonad:

Authority doesn't come from the badge - it comes from a working system. They weren't even doing their jobs - enforcing laws - they were just using their guns and badge to do what they wanted. This all proves my point - we need to ruling class and the power structure to control the locals. Otherwise, anyone with a gun and a big mouth will take over.


so once everyone is tightly controlled and crushed underfoot, we can all be free? I think you're in the wrong country my friend. perhaps you'd feel better living in the middle east? North Korea might also suit you better.
 
2012-10-16 12:08:11 PM  
Its totally different. Workers establish unions themselves to serve their own interests. When your boss tell you how to vote -- with the implicit threat that you could be fired if you don't go along -- its because in his or her interest.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-16 12:09:49 PM  
We just need to make sure that corporations follow the same restrictions as unions. the board of directors and CEO should be elected by the workers just like they are in unions.
 
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