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(Russia Today)   Corporate CEO's have picked up on a trick of the Unions/Democrats, now turning their employees into Republican foot soldiers   (rt.com) divider line 190
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2012-10-16 10:43:43 AM
Oh hey Pete.
 
2012-10-16 10:45:48 AM
Unions endorse candidates, but cannot fire employees regarding how they vote.....there is a difference. Again though, any liberal working for the Koch brothers obviously cares more about money than their convictions so deep down they are republican anyways.
 
2012-10-16 10:46:25 AM
It wasn't all that great when unions did it either.

What we need to return to one citizen, one vote. Everyone else from corporations to the Fraternal Lodge of Elks can go pound sand. No money from any entity except a citizen with a per-person cap of $10,000 per year in total political donations.

/problem solved
 
2012-10-16 10:47:01 AM
FTFA: Unbelievably - coercing employees like this to support certain political candidates is not illegal. And it's just the latest example of how the super-rich have a lot more free speech rights now in America than working people do

The Russian press is now reporting on US politics more accurately than the American press. We're through the looking glass here.
 
2012-10-16 10:47:09 AM
How is this legal?

This may be free speech but it's extortion.
 
2012-10-16 10:47:12 AM
We need this to happen, have a terminated employee put a bullet into the CEO, and then watch a jury member nullify and acquit.
 
2012-10-16 10:48:01 AM
If a union ever threatened their members over politics the Right would be calling for an end to unions. Ubber rich threaten their employees, so what they are on our side,
 
2012-10-16 10:48:35 AM
Workers need to stop buying into this big corporate lie. Hard work will not make you rich. Your boss is not your friend. The only true friend of the working class is the socialist, anarchist or the communist. Yet most of the flak that these groups get comes from the very people they are trying to defend and promote. The working man has no greater ally than the far left. Don't trust your boss, don't trust democrats or republicans. When you see someone waving a red flag, a black flag or a red/black flag thank them for standing up for you. Thank them for going to jail for you. Thank them for getting pummeled by the police for you.
 
2012-10-16 10:48:37 AM

mekki: How is this legal?

This may be free speech but it's extortion.


You could take a voter intimidation angle. That is a felony in many states.
 
2012-10-16 10:49:12 AM

madgonad: We need this to happen, have a terminated employee put a bullet into the CEO, and then watch a jury member nullify and acquit.


For reason by insanity. The CEOs drove him to snap under stress with their threats.
 
2012-10-16 10:49:54 AM
Republican foot cat soldiers

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2012-10-16 10:50:07 AM

FarkedOver: Workers need to stop buying into this big corporate lie. Hard work will not make you rich. Your boss is not your friend. The only true friend of the working class is the socialist, anarchist or the communist. Yet most of the flak that these groups get comes from the very people they are trying to defend and promote. The working man has no greater ally than the far left. Don't trust your boss, don't trust democrats or republicans. When you see someone waving a red flag, a black flag or a red/black flag thank them for standing up for you. Thank them for going to jail for you. Thank them for getting pummeled by the police for you.


The anarchists aren't on anyone's side. They are just hooligan dickbags.
 
2012-10-16 10:50:18 AM

nmemkha: It wasn't all that great when unions did it either.

What we need to return to one citizen, one vote. We need to allow people to only engage in our political system as citizens. Everyone else from corporations to the Fraternal Lodge of Elks can go pound sand. No money from any entity except a citizen with a per-person cap of $10,000 per year in total political donations.

/problem solved


/FTFM
 
2012-10-16 10:51:20 AM
Picked up on? Corporate CEOs were using this as a tactic against the labor movement from day one. They really are trying to bring back the days of the robber barons, aren't they?
 
2012-10-16 10:51:23 AM

madgonad: The anarchists aren't on anyone's side. They are just hooligan dickbags.


Not anarcho-communists or anarcho-syndicalists. There's many different schools of thought when it comes to anarchism.
 
2012-10-16 10:51:24 AM
Just vote how you want and then lie to your employer. This isn't the Spanish Inquisition.

/Still think it's repulsive.
 
2012-10-16 10:51:39 AM

madgonad: mekki: How is this legal?

This may be free speech but it's extortion.

You could take a voter intimidation angle. That is a felony in many states.


Then why isn't anyone doing this? You would think a lawyer would take a look at this and start drooling over the potential class action lawsuit. But no one has budged.
 
2012-10-16 10:52:31 AM

mekki: madgonad: We need this to happen, have a terminated employee put a bullet into the CEO, and then watch a jury member nullify and acquit.

For reason by insanity. The CEOs drove him to snap under stress with their threats.


No, defense attorney might even argue justification. The shooter was effectively having their voting rights compelled by someone. Nobody did anything to stop it.

But in reality, they defense would be looking for a disaffected person that hates 'the man' and would let it slide for political reasons. It is the flip side of all of the juries that convict 'because he is black'.
 
2012-10-16 10:52:51 AM

LeftOfLiberal: ...the Right would be calling for an end to unions.


Wow, you should write speculative fiction. Your ability to imagine an alternate world so vastly different than our own is amazing.
 
2012-10-16 10:52:58 AM
Telling them how to vote is one thing.

Threatening their jobs over it is another. Because that's what it is. A veiled threat.

/Republicans still suck.
 
2012-10-16 10:53:05 AM
how dare you question the job creators, you should be down on your knees pleasing them for the chance to one day serve the job overlords
 
2012-10-16 10:56:36 AM
Chalk it up to just another asinine, unachievable request from a corporate boss.

"We have to make these forecast numbers" is every bit as achievable as "We have to get Romney elected" when you have no control over the situation.
 
2012-10-16 10:57:44 AM

mekki: madgonad: mekki: How is this legal?

This may be free speech but it's extortion.

You could take a voter intimidation angle. That is a felony in many states.

Then why isn't anyone doing this? You would think a lawyer would take a look at this and start drooling over the potential class action lawsuit. But no one has budged.


I'm sure someone is. And if they start taking action right now, maybe it will get into court in time for the 2016 elections. The Koch brothers could keep this tied up in the courts for a decade if they really wanted to.
 
2012-10-16 10:59:06 AM
so lets see...abuse the f*ck outta your wages slaves, underpay them, give them a crappy working environment and poor leadership and fight against giving them even minimal health care. Then you lean on your workers and tell 'em that they have to vote for Romney or they'll lose their jobs.

I don't think this is going to work out as well as these CEOs think it'll work out....
 
2012-10-16 10:59:37 AM
Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.
 
2012-10-16 11:01:09 AM

FarkedOver: madgonad: The anarchists aren't on anyone's side. They are just hooligan dickbags.

Not anarcho-communists or anarcho-syndicalists. There's many different schools of thought when it comes to anarchism.


What about the Judean People's Front?

/the anarchists that just want to break things have to go
//the rest need to understand that if they actually got their way - billions would die due to distribution issues
 
2012-10-16 11:01:24 AM

mekki: How is this legal?

This may be free speech but it's extortion.


www.supershadow.org

I will make it legal.

I couldn't help it. sorry.
 
2012-10-16 11:01:50 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.

 
2012-10-16 11:02:30 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


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2012-10-16 11:03:33 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


No, it's because they can pay people next to nothing there. Full stop. No other motivation is needed.
 
2012-10-16 11:04:01 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


BS

Businesses offshore because it is cheaper and some/all of their competitors do it. Offshoring = more money for executives and shareholders

There is NOTHING that can't be done cheaper overseas, NOTHING.

New Balance hasn't offshored and they have no problem competing against Nike. They just aren't as profitable. It is all about management/ownership wanting a bigger piece of the pie and free trade eliminates all barriers to it.
 
2012-10-16 11:04:15 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


um...no.

companies move jobs overseas because they'd rather pay labor .30 cents on the dollar rather than US minimum wage. the rest is just smoke and mirrors - it comes down to labor costs. chinese slave labor is dirt cheap, plus you can abuse the shiat outta chinese workers and they line up to thank you for it.

what always confuses me is how Republicans can consider themselves 'good christians' while endorsing de facto slave labor practices...I just don't get that.
 
2012-10-16 11:06:10 AM
How in the Hell would these plutocrats even know which candidate the drones voted for? Aren't votes not tied to any citizen for just this very reason?


If Obama wins, can't the drones blame it on that evil 47% that Romney hates?
 
2012-10-16 11:06:30 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


Could your company be more profitable if you made 20% less? Why haven't you demanded that pay cut?
 
2012-10-16 11:06:42 AM
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Maybe this will spur individuals to take personal responsibility for their actions and be more proactive in choosing who they want to do business with or support by buying their products.
 
2012-10-16 11:06:49 AM
personally, I think it's AWESOME to see the 1% abuse their wage slaves and then turn around and try to force them to vote in favor of their chosen elite political candidate. I can think of no better recruiting tool for the Democrats.
 
2012-10-16 11:07:43 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


"Liberals" are not the boogeyman. Look at this way: We have 2 competing groups. We have employers and the employed. The employed must sell their labor in order to live since they own no capital. The employers own the means of production yet produce nothing. The employed group is being trampled on in the name of profits, nothing more nothing less. The employer exists not to create jobs or benefit society; they exist to make a profit and they will do this any which way they can. The employed are inherently exploited because of the fact that their employers need for profit. The employed must do whatever necessary for their right to live (which includes having to work) and to be as free from exploitation as possible. This is a class issue, not partisan liberal/conservative BS. After all, even the libbiest liberal that ever liberaled is still a capitalist.
 
2012-10-16 11:07:43 AM

Weaver95: gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.

um...no.

companies move jobs overseas because they'd rather pay labor .30 cents on the dollar rather than US minimum wage. the rest is just smoke and mirrors - it comes down to labor costs. chinese slave labor is dirt cheap, plus you can abuse the shiat outta chinese workers and they line up to thank you for it.

what always confuses me is how Republicans can consider themselves 'good christians' while endorsing de facto slave labor practices...I just don't get that.


Have you ever considered that they are, in fact, terrible hypocrites?
/above statement could be applied to a wide array of conservative policies
 
2012-10-16 11:07:48 AM

nmemkha: It wasn't all that great when unions did it either.

What we need to return to one citizen, one vote. Everyone else from corporations to the Fraternal Lodge of Elks can go pound sand. No money from any entity except a citizen with a per-person cap of $10,000 per year in total political donations.

/problem solved


Either way, it's totally unenforceable. There isn't any record of who voted for whom. And if you really wanted to cover your tracks you can also donate via a prepaid card or something.
 
2012-10-16 11:08:15 AM

madgonad: the rest need to understand that if they actually got their way - billions would die due to distribution issues


Really? Would we? So there's no possible way to organize society without a ruling class?

Rather, I should think, if we got our way, millions would stop dying due to distribution issues and false scarcity. Localism and horizontalism have always proven better and more efficient methods of organization; that was the whole issue with the USSR, right? Authoritarian centralism proving unable to adequately meet the needs of the populace or adapt to changing conditions quickly? Why does this not apply to "representative" democracy or multinational corporations?

Anyway, FarkedOver is right. The ruling class doesn't have your best interests at heart. No ruling class in the whole history of the world has ever been either willing or able to actually perform the duties supposedly delegated to it and our corporate aristos are no exception. You're grist for the mill. Keep telling yourself that the people trying to organize on the ground are your enemies and not the ones who think of you as prey.
 
2012-10-16 11:08:33 AM
As long as the threats are veiled they're good to go.
 
2012-10-16 11:08:43 AM

gearsprocket: Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States?


Because at less than pennies on the dollar, manufacturing in China is cheaper and when you spread the guilt around to a Board of Directors and Shareholders everyone gets to sleep soundly at night believing that it wasn't THEM directly responsible for the conditions where basic human rights are being ignored.

Any other questions I can help answer for you?
 
2012-10-16 11:09:03 AM

madgonad: What about the Judean People's Front?

/the anarchists that just want to break things have to go
//the rest need to understand that if they actually got their way - billions would die due to distribution issues


Which is why I am not an anarchist. I think socialism is a much better way to go.
 
2012-10-16 11:09:56 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


Yes, lets race China, Malaysia and sub-Saharan Africa to the bottom.

fark clean water and safety regulations. If you get killed on the job because of some cost-cutting by your boss, well maybe the company will go out of business because no one will work for them, right? Free-market safety is the way to go. Some company spills toxins and ruins your well? Just stop buying their shiat.
 
2012-10-16 11:10:03 AM

gearsprocket: Unions do threaten their members.

Have you ever wondered why businesses are outsourcing and leaving the United States? It is because of liberals. It is because of the government, the lawyers, the environmentalists, and other anti business groups. It is because of you that business will continue to leave the US. Prices will continue to rise as the cost of doing business here increases. It is funny to me that you complain of jobs and then turn around and demonize companies.


Yes, having breathable air and a decent living wage surely is a horrible thing. Especially when it gets in the way of a CEO's FOURTH house.

/8/10
 
2012-10-16 11:12:01 AM

TV's Vinnie: How in the Hell would these plutocrats even know which candidate the drones voted for? Aren't votes not tied to any citizen for just this very reason?


If Obama wins, can't the drones blame it on that evil 47% that Romney hates?


Votes are secret, but political contributions are public, except when you're not donating millions to SuperPACs.
 
2012-10-16 11:12:21 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: madgonad: the rest need to understand that if they actually got their way - billions would die due to distribution issues

Really? Would we? So there's no possible way to organize society without a ruling class?

Rather, I should think, if we got our way, millions would stop dying due to distribution issues and false scarcity. Localism and horizontalism have always proven better and more efficient methods of organization; that was the whole issue with the USSR, right? Authoritarian centralism proving unable to adequately meet the needs of the populace or adapt to changing conditions quickly? Why does this not apply to "representative" democracy or multinational corporations?

Anyway, FarkedOver is right. The ruling class doesn't have your best interests at heart. No ruling class in the whole history of the world has ever been either willing or able to actually perform the duties supposedly delegated to it and our corporate aristos are no exception. You're grist for the mill. Keep telling yourself that the people trying to organize on the ground are your enemies and not the ones who think of you as prey.


USSR did have a ruling class - the party and party leaders. There is always going to be a ruling class. Just like there will always be managers. If you get rid of the old bosses there will just be new bosses. Far better to create rules and barriers that shift the wealth away from the top (insert FDR). The problem is that most people don't vote in their own interest. They vote based upon abortion or wanting a big tax break when the become millionaires next year.
 
2012-10-16 11:15:05 AM

madgonad: USSR did have a ruling class - the party and party leaders. There is always going to be a ruling class. Just like there will always be managers. If you get rid of the old bosses there will just be new bosses. Far better to create rules and barriers that shift the wealth away from the top (insert FDR). The problem is that most people don't vote in their own interest. They vote based upon abortion or wanting a big tax break when the become millionaires next year.


You believe there will always be class divisions? You really don't think much of the human race do you? There will be life after capitalism, I know it's hard to fathom but it will happen.
 
2012-10-16 11:15:41 AM
This seems like a good thing, but the asshat who wrote the article seems not to grasp it.

This line in particular seems out of touch: "And since many Americans are desperate for a job - they have to go along with what their bosses say just to be able to keep food on the table - knowing full well that a vote for Mitt Romney is against their own best interests."

Let's break that down for a moment-

since many Americans are desperate for a job ..... they have to go along with what their bosses say

How many out of work people have bosses? I'd laugh if these two comments were a paragraph apart, but it's unsettling that they are back to back almost as though the author lost his train of thought mid sentence and just said fark it and kept typing.

"knowing full well that a vote for Mitt Romney is against their own best interests"

So out of work people who seemingly still have bosses "know full well" that electing Mitt Romney is against their best interests? Is fixing the economy that contrary to these people's best interests? Or is his record as a moderate too scary for working out of work people who like gridlock?

I cannot say strongly enough how much of a dipshiate the author is.
 
2012-10-16 11:16:32 AM

Weaver95: it comes down to labor costs


um...no.

It comes down to how much its consumers are willing to pay for their products. When cheap foreign products are imported and undercut the price of domestic products, companies have no choice but to lower their costs and prices to compete, else they go out of business. Since the cost of raw materials have leveled out over the years, the only way to cut costs are through labor. If the OTHER countries had laws/rules that forces them to pay their workers better wages, then this would be a non-issue and more products would be made here.
 
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