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2012-10-16 10:18:18 AM
$500,000 is a small price to pay to keep a multi-million dollar ad machine running.
 
2012-10-16 10:23:08 AM
Needs Obvious tag.
 
2012-10-16 10:25:19 AM
So do we firebomb Beaverton today or tomorrow?
 
2012-10-16 10:25:51 AM

WTF Indeed: $500,000 is a small price to pay to keep a multi-million dollar ad machine running.


Yup. All about the dollars and fleecing the sheep in the end.
 
2012-10-16 10:27:17 AM
Nike is the most ethical corporation in America. They care deeply about their employees.
 
2012-10-16 10:37:06 AM
Now I happen to think Armstrong is a doper as well as a pathological liar and a borderline sociopath. But I sort of doubt he'd have told the bike mechanic about his bribery plans.
 
2012-10-16 10:37:28 AM

mc_madness: Nike is the most ethical corporation in America. They care deeply about their employees.


You misspelled "Apple".
 
2012-10-16 10:40:47 AM
Why is this surprising? Nike can even somehow make chick soccer appeal to the ad driven sheep once every four years.
 
2012-10-16 10:43:42 AM
This entire accusation reeks of desperation and straw-grasping
 
2012-10-16 10:47:47 AM
"The NY Daily News reports that Kathy LeMond testified under oath during a 2006 deposition in the SCA arbitration case that Julian Devries, a mechanic for Armstrong's team, had told her and others that Nike and Thom Weisel -the San Francisco banker who sponsored and part-owned Armstrong's team - had transferred $500,000 to a Swiss bank account that belonged to Verbruggen."

So this is third-hand hearsay from a known enemy of Armstrong's, with zero paper trail to back it up?

Sounds rock solid to me.

Also, Cycling Times, you may want to work on your journalism skills a bit - you never gave the supposed payee's full name or affiliation, referring to him by last name only as if we all know who the fark you're talking about.
 
2012-10-16 10:50:03 AM
Meh. Lance doesn't have the balls to do something like that.

/DNRTFA
 
2012-10-16 10:54:19 AM
Nike already seems like a douche of a company. This just adds to the impression.
 
2012-10-16 11:01:24 AM
Not defending lance, but I'm convinced there aren't any dope free bikers
 
2012-10-16 11:01:37 AM
i was going to get this story submitted: Former Armstrong teammate plans Nike protest
"We're a group of athletes who don't stand for organized crime in sports," Willerton told Cyclingnews Monday. "We don't allow bullying and intimidation inside the cycling industry or any industry for that matter. These are fundamental human rights issues. So to have a company like Nike standing there and saying they publicly support that, I can't stand for it myself, and I know I'm not alone in that."
 
2012-10-16 11:03:45 AM

stewbert: Not defending lance, but I'm convinced there aren't any dope free bikers


do not be convinced!
www.triathlonbusiness.com
 
2012-10-16 11:04:04 AM

stewbert: Not defending lance, but I'm convinced there aren't any dope free bikers professional atheletes

 
2012-10-16 11:04:18 AM

cefm: "The NY Daily News reports that Kathy LeMond testified under oath during a 2006 deposition in the SCA arbitration case that Julian Devries, a mechanic for Armstrong's team, had told her and others that Nike and Thom Weisel -the San Francisco banker who sponsored and part-owned Armstrong's team - had transferred $500,000 to a Swiss bank account that belonged to Verbruggen."

So this is third-hand hearsay from a known enemy of Armstrong's, with zero paper trail to back it up?

Sounds rock solid to me.

Also, Cycling Times, you may want to work on your journalism skills a bit - you never gave the supposed payee's full name or affiliation, referring to him by last name only as if we all know who the fark you're talking about.


Just keep deflecting, that'll make the truth go away.
 
2012-10-16 11:08:34 AM
That presumes that all the litigation wasn't already taking a financial toll on Armstrong - enough for him to just let them make whatever conclusion they wished on him.
 
2012-10-16 11:12:29 AM

cefm: So this is.......


Don't get me wrong now - while this particular story seems a bit thin - armstrong quite obviously doped his entire career.

And just to head it off before it starts, a little something for all the legal experts...

Eyewitness testimony is NOT hearsay. I just want all the dbag defenders to know damn well that eyewitness testimony is not only what's stuffing our prisons, it's enough to send you away as well. It's certainly enough to call into doubt the results of bike races. So I hope we don't have another thread of idiots claiming eyewitness testimony is 'hearsay'.
 
2012-10-16 11:12:36 AM
despite the overwhelming evidence of doping against him

You mean all his failed drug tests? Oh, wait, you mean all the disgraced cyclists that would say anything that the USADA put into their mouths.
 
2012-10-16 11:15:16 AM

JohnBigBootay: cefm: So this is.......

Don't get me wrong now - while this particular story seems a bit thin - armstrong quite obviously doped his entire career.

And just to head it off before it starts, a little something for all the legal experts...

Eyewitness testimony is NOT hearsay. I just want all the dbag defenders to know damn well that eyewitness testimony is not only what's stuffing our prisons, it's enough to send you away as well. It's certainly enough to call into doubt the results of bike races. So I hope we don't have another thread of idiots claiming eyewitness testimony is 'hearsay'.


Federal prosecutors had to drop their case against Armstrong due to lack of evidence. You can't explain that.
 
2012-10-16 11:18:31 AM

Marcus Aurelius: despite the overwhelming evidence of doping against him

You mean all his failed drug tests? Oh, wait, you mean all the disgraced cyclists that would say anything that the USADA put into their mouths.


The truth will come out eventually.
 
2012-10-16 11:21:14 AM

Marcus Aurelius: JohnBigBootay: cefm: So this is.......

Don't get me wrong now - while this particular story seems a bit thin - armstrong quite obviously doped his entire career.

And just to head it off before it starts, a little something for all the legal experts...

Eyewitness testimony is NOT hearsay. I just want all the dbag defenders to know damn well that eyewitness testimony is not only what's stuffing our prisons, it's enough to send you away as well. It's certainly enough to call into doubt the results of bike races. So I hope we don't have another thread of idiots claiming eyewitness testimony is 'hearsay'.

Federal prosecutors had to drop their case against Armstrong due to lack of evidence. You can't explain that.


Hmm, could bags stuffed with $500k have anything to do with it? It's only bike racing right? Not like a REAL crime...
 
2012-10-16 11:28:14 AM
So now it's not just football and baseball players that are juicing, but now cyclists are doping too? Oh well. At least pro wrestling is still clean...
 
2012-10-16 11:33:39 AM

drewogatory: Marcus Aurelius: JohnBigBootay: cefm: So this is.......

Don't get me wrong now - while this particular story seems a bit thin - armstrong quite obviously doped his entire career.

And just to head it off before it starts, a little something for all the legal experts...

Eyewitness testimony is NOT hearsay. I just want all the dbag defenders to know damn well that eyewitness testimony is not only what's stuffing our prisons, it's enough to send you away as well. It's certainly enough to call into doubt the results of bike races. So I hope we don't have another thread of idiots claiming eyewitness testimony is 'hearsay'.

Federal prosecutors had to drop their case against Armstrong due to lack of evidence. You can't explain that.

Hmm, could bags stuffed with $500k have anything to do with it? It's only bike racing right? Not like a REAL crime...


Federal prosecutors don't drop cases for money. They're attention whores through and through.
 
2012-10-16 11:36:03 AM

Gunny Highway: Marcus Aurelius: despite the overwhelming evidence of doping against him

You mean all his failed drug tests? Oh, wait, you mean all the disgraced cyclists that would say anything that the USADA put into their mouths.

The truth will come out eventually.


Here's a hint: they were ALL doping. If they weren't, they wouldn't be true professionals.
 
2012-10-16 11:36:28 AM

Gunny Highway: Marcus Aurelius: despite the overwhelming evidence of doping against him

You mean all his failed drug tests? Oh, wait, you mean all the disgraced cyclists that would say anything that the USADA put into their mouths.

The truth will come out eventually.


It hasn't yet
 
2012-10-16 11:44:54 AM

Marcus Aurelius: JohnBigBootay: cefm: So this is.......

Don't get me wrong now - while this particular story seems a bit thin - armstrong quite obviously doped his entire career.

And just to head it off before it starts, a little something for all the legal experts...

Eyewitness testimony is NOT hearsay. I just want all the dbag defenders to know damn well that eyewitness testimony is not only what's stuffing our prisons, it's enough to send you away as well. It's certainly enough to call into doubt the results of bike races. So I hope we don't have another thread of idiots claiming eyewitness testimony is 'hearsay'.

Federal prosecutors had to drop their case against Armstrong due to lack of evidence. You can't explain that.


Oh fark are you misinformed. You've been listening to Pharmstrong's army of lawyers.
 
2012-10-16 11:48:33 AM
The problem with saying "well everyone doped so big whoop" is there are levels of doping. There is the mostly clean guy who might take it here and there to help with recovery, but not too much because he's doing all the cycling grand tours that year, and is unsure of the long term effects of year round doping, but knows he has to do it to keep up and maintain sponsors. Then you have a cancer survivor from Texas who's already on borrowed time that juices to the max for his one three week race of the year in France.
 
2012-10-16 11:49:30 AM

The Bestest: mc_madness: Nike is the most ethical corporation in America. They care deeply about their employees.

You misspelled "Apple".


Actually it's both; so either one works.
 
2012-10-16 11:51:19 AM
No HTML skills. You'll have to do it yourself. For all you Fanboys:

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2012-10-16 11:51:41 AM

Marcus Aurelius: despite the overwhelming evidence of doping against him

You mean all his failed drug tests? Oh, wait, you mean all the disgraced cyclists that would say anything that the USADA put into their mouths.


Yep, just like all of Marion Jones failed drug tests, oh wait...
 
2012-10-16 11:58:28 AM

gregario: Marcus Aurelius: JohnBigBootay: cefm: So this is.......

Don't get me wrong now - while this particular story seems a bit thin - armstrong quite obviously doped his entire career.

And just to head it off before it starts, a little something for all the legal experts...

Eyewitness testimony is NOT hearsay. I just want all the dbag defenders to know damn well that eyewitness testimony is not only what's stuffing our prisons, it's enough to send you away as well. It's certainly enough to call into doubt the results of bike races. So I hope we don't have another thread of idiots claiming eyewitness testimony is 'hearsay'.

Federal prosecutors had to drop their case against Armstrong due to lack of evidence. You can't explain that.

Oh fark are you misinformed. You've been listening to Pharmstrong's army of lawyers.


Oh, I'm sorry, did the prosecutors NOT drop their investigation? I must have missed that.

/of COURSE armstrong was doping
 
2012-10-16 12:03:26 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Here's a hint: they were ALL doping. If they weren't, they wouldn't be true professionals.


Then why do you keep acting like Armstrong wasn't?
 
2012-10-16 12:07:01 PM

IAmRight: Marcus Aurelius: Here's a hint: they were ALL doping. If they weren't, they wouldn't be true professionals.

Then why do you keep acting like Armstrong wasn't?


Me? Act like Armstrong wasn't doping? When did I do that? I don't recall that. Armstrong was OBVIOUSLY doping.

But I hate the USADA ten times more than I'll ever hate Armstrong.
 
2012-10-16 12:13:00 PM

Marcus Aurelius: IAmRight: Marcus Aurelius: Here's a hint: they were ALL doping. If they weren't, they wouldn't be true professionals.

Then why do you keep acting like Armstrong wasn't?

Me? Act like Armstrong wasn't doping? When did I do that? I don't recall that. Armstrong was OBVIOUSLY doping.

But I hate the USADA ten times more than I'll ever hate Armstrong.


why?, the USDA did not infuse themselves before races like the USPS did.
 
2012-10-16 12:16:50 PM

JohnBigBootay: Now I happen to think Armstrong is a doper as well as a pathological liar and a borderline sociopath. But I sort of doubt he'd have told the bike mechanic about his bribery plans.


THIS. Also

I'd hold out for more than $500,000 from a company like Nike.
 
2012-10-16 12:18:25 PM

expobill: Marcus Aurelius: IAmRight: Marcus Aurelius: Here's a hint: they were ALL doping. If they weren't, they wouldn't be true professionals.

Then why do you keep acting like Armstrong wasn't?

Me? Act like Armstrong wasn't doping? When did I do that? I don't recall that. Armstrong was OBVIOUSLY doping.

But I hate the USADA ten times more than I'll ever hate Armstrong.

why?, the USDA did not infuse themselves before races like the USPS did.


The USADA are a bunch of no account pencil pushing overreaching douchebags that would persecute their own grandmothers for putting too much sweet and low into their tea. Twenty years from now they'll STILL be pulling out doping allegations against Armstrong because they've got a hard-on for him that just won't quit.

I can think of better uses of our tax dollars.
 
2012-10-16 12:25:52 PM
Who the fark is "Verbruggen"? I'm guessing that he works for Nike, but really, how bloody poor are your journalism skills when you don't even mention who he is or how he fits into the larger story?

From Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hein_Verbruggen

Hein Verbruggen (born 21 June 1941 in Helmond) is a Dutch honorary member of the International Olympic Committee since 2008. Previously, he was a member of the IOC and Chairman of the Coordination Commission for the Games of the XXIX Olympiad in Beijing in 2008. He was president of the Union Cycliste Internationale from 1991 till 2005.

Aha. Thanks for nothing, Cycling News farkwit.

Anyway; very interesting story if true, and certainly is the expected next step in all this now coming to light. And I think it certainly has the strong stench of being true. That conclusion from what I've read, and from the fact that the people now blowing the whistle on Armstrong have a very wide overlap of agreement and by and large do not stand to gain much if at all from the truth coming out -- in fact having had their careers hurt or destroyed by the fact that they got caught up in the Postal Service team's systematic doping program.

IOC member on the take? Unpossible!
 
2012-10-16 12:26:04 PM
THEY"RE ALL JUST JEALOUS HATERS!!! ALL OF THEM!!!!
 
2012-10-16 12:28:29 PM
Marcus Aurelius

Me? Act like Armstrong wasn't doping? When did I do that? I don't recall that. Armstrong was OBVIOUSLY doping.

But I hate the USADA ten times more than I'll ever hate Armstrong.

What? The? F*ck?


You are defending a guy who forced his teammates to dope and then called them serial perjurers over a group of investigators trying to clean up the sport? Are you f*cked in the head?

Grand Tours are a team sport, yes the points leader gets a spiffy yellow or pink shirt, but overall it is a team effort. Armstrong is a very strong rider, but he cannot win the tour without his team helping him. Hincappie and Andreau were his domestiques, their selfless effort made it possible for Lance to win. They doped and cheated for him with no chance of any glory for themselves, then f*cking lied about it, protecting him until they were forced to testify. He not only threw them under the bus but went after them with personal attacks. The fact he forced teammates to dope is bad but to not acknowledge their efforts and point out their contributions to his success makes me think he is a sociopath.
You know during the drug hey days I bet there were domestiques who refused to dope, why don't we seek those folks out, their stories seem far more compelling. Anybody saying "they all doped" please feel free to prove that, I don't think it was the case, and that is patently unfair to athletes who may have resisted the temptation to cheat.


http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf

I say good on all the folks who are trying to clean it up.
 
2012-10-16 12:34:37 PM

Marcus Aurelius:

The USADA are a bunch of no account pencil pushing overreaching douchebags that would persecute their own grandmothers for putting too much sweet and low into their tea. Twenty years from now they'll STILL be pulling out doping allegations against Armstrong because they've got a hard-on for him that just won't quit.

I can think of better uses of our tax dollars.


The USADA had to investigate the USPS doping scheme or else the USPS would have faced international extortion damages by knowingly covering up lance and his teammates. This way lance gets lynched and the USPS still can operate as a business,
 
2012-10-16 12:37:57 PM

Pardon Me Sultan: Previously, he was a member of the IOC and Chairman of the Coordination Commission for the Games of the XXIX Olympiad in Beijing in 2008. He was president of the Union Cycliste Internationale from 1991 till 2005.

Aha. Thanks for nothing, Cycling News farkwit.


I suppose within the cycling world, they might know who he is without the full citation (though it should obviously be used in first reference no matter what). I mean, he was president of the main governing body for 14 years.
 
2012-10-16 12:40:44 PM
Warning: pointless CSB:

The same week I moved from the sticks to L.A., I went to bicycle race that Greg LeMond was supposed to ride in. I went to the top of some steps to take in the scene. I looked to my right and there was a woman standing right next to me. I thought to myself 'she looks just like Greg Lemond's wife.' I did a double take and now Kathy and Greg LeMond were standing right at my shoulder. I got it. I started walking straight for the registration tent and they shadowed me. They went completely unnoticed until they got behind the tables, then all hell broke loose. We never said a word to each other.

I used to be a big fan of Armstrong. Now I despise him.
 
2012-10-16 12:45:09 PM

New Age Redneck: Marcus Aurelius

Me? Act like Armstrong wasn't doping? When did I do that? I don't recall that. Armstrong was OBVIOUSLY doping.

But I hate the USADA ten times more than I'll ever hate Armstrong.

What? The? F*ck?

You are defending a guy who forced his teammates to dope and then called them serial perjurers over a group of investigators trying to clean up the sport? Are you f*cked in the head?

Grand Tours are a team sport, yes the points leader gets a spiffy yellow or pink shirt, but overall it is a team effort. Armstrong is a very strong rider, but he cannot win the tour without his team helping him. Hincappie and Andreau were his domestiques, their selfless effort made it possible for Lance to win. They doped and cheated for him with no chance of any glory for themselves, then f*cking lied about it, protecting him until they were forced to testify. He not only threw them under the bus but went after them with personal attacks. The fact he forced teammates to dope is bad but to not acknowledge their efforts and point out their contributions to his success makes me think he is a sociopath.
You know during the drug hey days I bet there were domestiques who refused to dope, why don't we seek those folks out, their stories seem far more compelling. Anybody saying "they all doped" please feel free to prove that, I don't think it was the case, and that is patently unfair to athletes who may have resisted the temptation to cheat.


http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf

I say good on all the folks who are trying to clean it up.


"Trying to clean it up?"

Not bloody likely.

They're trying to get their budgets renewed for the next fiscal year.

The best way to clean it up would be to improve your damned drug testing protocols so you could, you know, actually DETECT THEIR DAMNED DOPING WHEN IT FRIGGING HAPPENS. This decades long "he said she said", "ten year old samples" crap-ola is for the birds, and does nothing to advance the sport. May as well spend your time tearing off old scabs for all the good it does.
 
2012-10-16 12:50:04 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Here's a hint: they were ALL doping. If they weren't, they wouldn't be true professionals.


Oh I agree entirely. the question is, why do you want one guy in particular - the guy who gained the most - to get away with it scot free?
 
2012-10-16 12:58:36 PM
I'm not on team Armstrong by any means, but why does anyone care about testing positive for corticosteroids? Those are anti-inflammatory, not muscle-building or performance enhancing. In a sense I suppose you could say any medical treatment is '"performance enhancing", but I don't understand the thinking there.
 
2012-10-16 12:59:11 PM

JohnBigBootay: Marcus Aurelius: Here's a hint: they were ALL doping. If they weren't, they wouldn't be true professionals.

Oh I agree entirely. the question is, why do you want one guy in particular - the guy who gained the most - to get away with it scot free?


I could care less about Lance Armstrong or what he did or did not do.

What I REALLY want is to be able to watch the Tour (which is some of the best sports coverage on TV IMOHO), and know with some certainty that ten years later, some pencil pushing bureaucrat won't pull a bunch of sleazoids out of the woodwork and make a fuss, just because they can.

THAT is what I want.
 
rka
2012-10-16 12:59:32 PM

expobill: Marcus Aurelius:

The USADA are a bunch of no account pencil pushing overreaching douchebags that would persecute their own grandmothers for putting too much sweet and low into their tea. Twenty years from now they'll STILL be pulling out doping allegations against Armstrong because they've got a hard-on for him that just won't quit.

I can think of better uses of our tax dollars.

The USADA had to investigate the USPS doping scheme or else the USPS would have faced international extortion damages by knowingly covering up lance and his teammates. This way lance gets lynched and the USPS still can operate as a business,


Uh, they investigated the doping scheme because Lance rode under the umbrella of a national sporting body that came under their watch. Has shiat all to do with the United States Postal Service. That's actually a point of contention because the team USPS nominally *ISN'T" under the USADA's control. But Lance rode for USA Cycling as well, which is.
 
2012-10-16 01:06:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I could care less about Lance Armstrong or what he did or did not do.

What I REALLY want is to be able to watch the Tour (which is some of the best sports coverage on TV IMOHO), and know with some certainty that ten years later, some pencil pushing bureaucrat won't pull a bunch of sleazoids out of the woodwork and make a fuss, just because they can.

THAT is what I want.


You won't get what you want until the biggest cycling cheat in history owns up this role in making the problem worse. Lance Armstrong helped inspire a fark ton of people to take up cycling and he could certainly use his vast influence to help clean up the sport. That is if he actually gives two shiats about a clean peleton. I suspect he does not.
 
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