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(The Daily Beast)   Eight things that Obama needs to do in tonight's debate - aside from having a pulse   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 112
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2012-10-16 11:00:37 AM  
I refuse to tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing.
 
2012-10-16 11:01:10 AM  
Quoting myself in another thread, I just want one thing from the debate: Obama to mention that Romney had a 33% approval rating in Mass. after governing for 4 years. And, I would like him to mention that Obama is leading in Mass. by 12%, so, clearly, the people who know Romney's leadership the most are not impressed. Okay, two things I would like him to mention. Also, that Romney spent over a year in office out of state and on personal business, rather than governing. So, three things.

Maybe something about Romeny's 800 vetoes and being overridden like 99% of the time. That would be good.
 
2012-10-16 11:02:58 AM  

RyogaM: Quoting myself in another thread, I just want one thing from the debate: Obama to mention that Romney had a 33% approval rating in Mass. after governing for 4 years. And, I would like him to mention that Obama is leading in Mass. by 12%, so, clearly, the people who know Romney's leadership the most are not impressed. Okay, two things I would like him to mention. Also, that Romney spent over a year in office out of state and on personal business, rather than governing. So, three things.

Maybe something about Romeny's 800 vetoes and being overridden like 99% of the time. That would be good.


Is that true? Why the f*ck isn't Obama crowdsourcing this garbage? The material is never-ending if you pay attention.
 
2012-10-16 11:06:26 AM  
Obama needs to talk about Ryan's abortion position early and often. Ryan is well outside the norm and even outside what moderate republicans believe. Ryan will not pander on this issue like Romney. Obama can hit him over and over and over.
 
2012-10-16 11:06:50 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: RyogaM: Quoting myself in another thread, I just want one thing from the debate: Obama to mention that Romney had a 33% approval rating in Mass. after governing for 4 years. And, I would like him to mention that Obama is leading in Mass. by 12%, so, clearly, the people who know Romney's leadership the most are not impressed. Okay, two things I would like him to mention. Also, that Romney spent over a year in office out of state and on personal business, rather than governing. So, three things.

Maybe something about Romeny's 800 vetoes and being overridden like 99% of the time. That would be good.

Is that true? Why the f*ck isn't Obama crowdsourcing this garbage? The material is never-ending if you pay attention.


Yep.
 
2012-10-16 11:11:00 AM  

Zoophagous: Obama needs to talk about Ryan's abortion position early and often. Ryan is well outside the norm and even outside what moderate republicans believe. Ryan will not pander on this issue like Romney. Obama can hit him over and over and over.


That's a farking terrible idea.
 
2012-10-16 11:11:39 AM  

Rwa2play: PallMall: Dinki: 5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.

So... lie?

Please describe how this is a "lie"?


We are talking about Obama opening c**k holster, right?
 
2012-10-16 11:12:28 AM  
Can he just send Biden up there?
 
2012-10-16 11:14:39 AM  
Obama needs to bring a big stick.

Yes, I know there's no props allowed. He can just casually lay it on the podium. Use it like a pimp cane to walk on stage, and walk all casual-like up and set it cross-ways on the podium.
 
2012-10-16 11:17:36 AM  

sprawl15: Zoophagous: Obama needs to talk about Ryan's abortion position early and often. Ryan is well outside the norm and even outside what moderate republicans believe. Ryan will not pander on this issue like Romney. Obama can hit him over and over and over.

That's a farking terrible idea.


Only 57 comments in and I'm already not sure which posts are from the real Obama supporters and which ones are trolls.

I'd give my two cents on what Obama needs to do, but I'm certain he has heard advice from every angle these past 13 days. And he has enough pride and intelligence not to let that first debate happen again.

The only advice he probably needs right now is how to fit all the good ideas into a 90 minute debate. I'm more than a little confident that he'll end tonight with an "I want to keep this going" moment, not unlike that unscripted health care debate with Republicans a couple of years ago.
 
2012-10-16 11:17:42 AM  

I_C_Weener: I think the first debate did all the damage that will be done by the debates. Barring some catastrophe, the remaining debates will not move the polls. That's all I'm saying. Either side could shine tonight...but I think the movement that was done in a short few days as a tidal wave is over. Only slow movement will occur now because more people switched to decided from undecided (undecided on voting more than on who they support). There just isn't any more room to get that big swing.


I respectively disagree to this in part. If Obama has another lousy showing, it will cost him the election. If Romney has a lousy showing, meh, it's what we expected. I agree that all the damage that can be done is done at this point and the polls will not move if Obama wins.
 
2012-10-16 11:18:10 AM  

bikerific: He should learn from the VP debate, in which Biden was too pushy, aggressive, and respectful.

He should stay calm, keep his responses even-toned, and rebut with simple facts. Not be too confrontational. Maybe just take some notes.

The media will eat that right up.


Right, because that is in no way identical to what he did in the first debate.
 
2012-10-16 11:20:54 AM  

I_C_Weener: Diogenes: How is that not objective?


He went nuts that Obama didn't do well.  That is editorial cheerleading.  Well, editorial mourning for a bad performance by the guy he supports.
 
mrshowrules: Don't pull any muscles Nostradamus.


I think the first debate did all the damage that will be done by the debates.  Barring some catastrophe, the remaining debates will not move the polls.  That's all I'm saying.  Either side could shine tonight...but I think the movement that was done in a short few days as a tidal wave is over.  Only slow movement will occur now because more people switched to decided from undecided (undecided on voting more than on who they support).  There just isn't any more room to get that big swing.
 
I do think Romney will continue to make slow gains in the battlground states.  Just not sure he'll make enough.


I think you're half right, as far as gains go. Romney charged up the right, which knocked his leaners into his column. Obama demoralized the left, reminding them of every time he failed to fight back. That translated into unwillingness to answer polls, leaners identifying as "undecided" etc.

Biden stopped the bleeding, but Ryan kept the right energized, and they'll probably stay that way all the way to the election. Once the wingers get worked up, it generally takes em a few months to calm down.

If Obama plays wet noodle again tonight, though, he'll completely kill the myth of "candidate Obama" being better at fighting back than "President Obama." That'll kill his campaign.

He's probably not dumb enough to fall for it again, but if Romney comes at him from a completely new angle, knowing he won't get called on it too bad, Obama may reply in a way that seems off-tone or weird.
 
2012-10-16 11:21:33 AM  

Nurglitch: Obama needs to bring a big stick.

Yes, I know there's no props allowed. He can just casually lay it on the podium. Use it like a pimp cane to walk on stage, and walk all casual-like up and set it cross-ways on the podium.


Didn't he bring a broom last time.. to "Sweep away corruption?" Oh yeah, and I think there was a midget there too. (with a midget broom)
 
2012-10-16 11:22:28 AM  

I_C_Weener: Mitt RomneyObama is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama'sRomney got this.

 
2012-10-16 11:23:13 AM  
he could offer some free market solutions consistent with our founding principles.
 
2012-10-16 11:28:04 AM  
How about growing a pair?
 
2012-10-16 11:31:27 AM  

King Something: Right, because that is in no way identical to what he did in the first debate.


That'sthejoke.jpg
 
2012-10-16 11:32:16 AM  
Be angry and take no prisoners, Obama!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-16 11:35:03 AM  

PallMall: Dinki: 5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.

So... lie?


Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
2012-10-16 11:36:44 AM  

The Great EZE: Only 57 comments in and I'm already not sure which posts are from the real Obama supporters and which ones are trolls.


Aren't they the same thing?
 
2012-10-16 11:37:04 AM  

PallMall: Didn't he bring a broom last time.. to "Sweep away corruption?" Oh yeah, and I think there was a midget there too. (with a midget broom)


Goddamn it we can't just go out there with our own midget. We'd look like damn Johnny come lately. And how the hell are we going to run on reform when we're the damn incumbent?
 
2012-10-16 11:39:07 AM  
FTA: Be ready for a surprise. I think I wrote this last week, or if I didn't I meant to. But Matt Miller of The Washington Post did. Romney is shameless enough to say something tonight like he now supports higher taxes for the rich, after the economy has regained its footing.

This is why Romney won the first and is probably gonna be able to at least force a tie in the next couple of debates.

It's really, really hard to debate someone when they can change their position to whatever's convenient whenever they wish. Obama is tied to his record. Romney can take any position, even ones that contradict what he said earlier in the debate. He's already got a reputation as a flip-flopper; there's literally zero downside for him in embodying it. His supporters clearly don't care and the "undecided voters" who are watching are usually so ignorant of the candidate's positions they won't realize what he's doing.

I mean, theoretically the media could call him on it if he lies his pants off, but considering how they praised him after the BS he shovelled in the first debate... we all know that's not gonna happen.
 
2012-10-16 11:40:34 AM  
C'mon. All Obama has to do is show up tonight.

Most of the media already have their BIG OBAMA COMEBACK VICTORY stories already written. Especially now with Romney pulling away a bit in the already oversampled Dem polls.
 
2012-10-16 11:42:38 AM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Be angry and take no prisoners, Obama!


Thanks for that gif, now my coworkers are all wondering why I'm laughing.
 
2012-10-16 11:50:28 AM  
Didnt see:

SWEEP THE LEG
 
2012-10-16 11:52:28 AM  
Be a rude, loud mouth, jack ass who laughs inappropriately at his opponents statements. That's a sure fire way to win.
 
2012-10-16 11:55:31 AM  

beta_plus: Be a rude, loud mouth, jack ass who laughs inappropriately at his opponents statements.


See, it's not rude to lie to the American people, it's only rude to act incredulous when it happens.
 
2012-10-16 11:55:41 AM  

Dinki: My 5 suggestions-

1. Be Optimistic- let Romney be all doom and gloom.

2. Run on your record- you have a great economic record! Remind people that when you took office the US was losing 750,000 jobs a month, and it is now gaining 150,000 jobs per month. Remind people that when you took office our GDP was falling at a rate of 8.9% and it is now growing at a rate of 1.5 to 2 %. Remind people that when you took office GM and Chrysler were on the brink of collapse, and now they are both doing great. Remind people that the recession you inherited was 400% worse than any recession since 1945, and a hole that big takes a while to dig out of, but we are doing it, and we will continue to do it.

3. Respond to the lies - When he brings up the green jobs, tell people that the success rate of the green jobs program is better than Romneys record at Bain. When he brings up the $716 billion from medicare, don't go off on some tangent, simply say that the savings won't impact people and will extend the life of medicare for another 15 years. When he brings up Libya, say that you are proud of the job the deiplomats perform, they have a tough job in dangerous conditions, and you won't stoop to playing a political game with a tragedy.

4. ATTACK HIM. Romney has given you a mountain of gaffes, misstatements, flip flops, and out right lies- USE THEM. The 47%, the London Olympic debacle, the numerous positions on abortion, taxes, etc. There is enough for 10 debates, but you have to use it.

5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.


I think this really covers it. Romney and Ryan have seized the narrative on a couple points very successfully - the Benghazi rubbish, their personal portrayal of the economy - and Obama needs to regain control of his own story of the last four years. Osama's dead, the economy is very much headed in the right direction. Bring back some of the major malevolences in Romney's story, particulary Bain's slash and burn capitalism and his refusal to show his taxes, which every presidential candidate since his own father has done.

Obama should be in good shape. I'm convinced he didn't give the first debate much attention and was simultaneously surprised at how Romney was a completely different candidate than he was before. Judging by Obama as we know him, as a campaigner in the past, and as a president, he will be much more prepared.
 
2012-10-16 11:56:43 AM  

colon_pow: he could offer some free market solutions consistent with our founding principles.


You mean tax cuts for the rich, right?
 
2012-10-16 11:56:55 AM  

beta_plus: Be a rude, loud mouth, jack ass who laughs inappropriately at his opponents statements. That's a sure fire way to win.


Steal Romney's first debate game plan?

OK
 
2012-10-16 12:04:01 PM  

I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.


No, he doesn't. This election is all over except for the crying. Get ready for at least four years of dumbshiat GOP policies.
 
2012-10-16 12:04:48 PM  
My dad who was absolutely pissed at me when he found out I registered as a Democrat said it all a few weeks ago. "I was going to vote for Romney, but I can't do that now. The man in a roundabout way called half the country losers. How can a man like that be president?" I thought hell had frozen over.
 
2012-10-16 12:06:15 PM  

Gunther: FTA: Be ready for a surprise. I think I wrote this last week, or if I didn't I meant to. But Matt Miller of The Washington Post did. Romney is shameless enough to say something tonight like he now supports higher taxes for the rich, after the economy has regained its footing.

This is why Romney won the first and is probably gonna be able to at least force a tie in the next couple of debates.

It's really, really hard to debate someone when they can change their position to whatever's convenient whenever they wish. Obama is tied to his record. Romney can take any position, even ones that contradict what he said earlier in the debate. He's already got a reputation as a flip-flopper; there's literally zero downside for him in embodying it. His supporters clearly don't care and the "undecided voters" who are watching are usually so ignorant of the candidate's positions they won't realize what he's doing.

I mean, theoretically the media could call him on it if he lies his pants off, but considering how they praised him after the BS he shovelled in the first debate... we all know that's not gonna happen.




I'm inclined to agree, though I think Obama needs to pick up the slack and at least call out Romney for doing so. I hate myself for thinking this, but Obama does need some kind of "There you go again..." moment. But Obama does have to balance that with defending/playing-up his record as well.
 
2012-10-16 12:08:18 PM  

Rwa2play: mrshowrules: Dinki: mrshowrules: So basically what Biden did with less interrupting?

Even Biden only scratched the surface on attacking Romney. There is so much material, Obama only needs to use it.

fark the right. Obama needs to motivate his base and go down fighting or win fighting. Let the media say that a black man in Chicago assaulted a successful business man and Church leader. I don't care.

I almost want him to say "Even though you'll disagree with my methods and maybe even my politics, understand that, unlike Gov. Romney who denigrated you, I will fight for you with every bone in my body."

Romney can't even respond to that without looking like a hypocrite.


"denigrated" sounds like a dangerous word but I agree.

"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will fight for the middle-class."
"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will not take this country into another war unless it is absolutely necessary"
"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect Medicare for current and future generations".
"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect the country from another economic collapse caused by unfettered greed and recklessness in the financial markets."
"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect Americas access to basic health care including women's reproductive rights"
 
2012-10-16 12:09:50 PM  

King Something: bikerific: He should learn from the VP debate, in which Biden was too pushy, aggressive, and respectful.

He should stay calm, keep his responses even-toned, and rebut with simple facts. Not be too confrontational. Maybe just take some notes.

The media will eat that right up.

Right, because that is in no way identical to what he did in the first debate.




that'sthejoke.jpg
 
2012-10-16 12:11:13 PM  
Jesus Christ, Fortune just absolutely dismantled Mitt Romney. Obama could come to the debate and simply read this. If he still loses, we'll deserve it when we turn into Haiti.
 
2012-10-16 12:25:06 PM  

mrshowrules: "Unlike Mr. Romney, I will fight for the middle-class. Unlike Mr. Romney, I will not take this country into another war unless it is absolutely necessary. Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect Medicare for current and future generations. Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect the country from another economic collapse caused by unfettered greed and recklessness in the financial markets. Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect Americas access to basic health care including women's reproductive rights."


This is what should have happened the first time Jim Lehrerhererrher asked what the difference between the two was.
 
2012-10-16 12:25:56 PM  
Hopefully he's reading this thread before the debate. Lot of astute campaign managers frequent Fark apparently.
 
2012-10-16 12:26:36 PM  
Obama should use his entire closing statement to rattle off all his accomplishments.
 
2012-10-16 12:26:43 PM  

mrshowrules: Diogenes: #9 - use some of the wit he employs on the campaign trail.

GOP Translation: "Obama was disrespect and made fun of Americans suffering"

If he fact checks Romney: "Constantly Interrupted and was rude to Romney"

If he is Polite: "Was asleep, appeared that the debate process with something that was beneath him"

If he is forceful in his arguments: "He was aggressiveness and reckless. Loose cannon"

If Obama wins: "It was a draw and will not stop the Mitmentum"

If it is a draw: "Obama lost definitively and Romney wins the election"

If Obama loses: "He was crushed and proof positive that American was hoodwinked into electing him. Prepare for a Reagan/Mondale level of failure this November"


And no matter which, the lefties will immediately accept the GOP/media analysis without objection and spend the next three weeks doing the Republican Party's concern trolling for them.
 
2012-10-16 12:36:29 PM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Be angry and take no prisoners, Obama!

[i.imgur.com image 255x156]


People actually think that video is real. That frightens me.
 
2012-10-16 12:37:22 PM  

bikerific: King Something: bikerific: He should learn from the VP debate, in which Biden was too pushy, aggressive, and respectful.

He should stay calm, keep his responses even-toned, and rebut with simple facts. Not be too confrontational. Maybe just take some notes.

The media will eat that right up.

Right, because that is in no way identical to what he did in the first debate.



that'sthejoke.jpg


It's hard to tell the difference these days. Poe's Law's and all that.
 
2012-10-16 12:38:05 PM  

mrshowrules: fark the right. Obama needs to motivate his base and go down fighting or win fighting. Let the media say that a black man in Chicago assaulted a successful business man and Church leader. I don't care.


Conservatives are going to be shiatting their pants over the Angry Black Man no matter what. Fark em. Beat Romney up the head with facts, and shiat down this throat with emotion. Obama needs to convince the 5 undecideds left that he's willing to lay it on the line for them.
 
2012-10-16 12:40:38 PM  
 
2012-10-16 12:44:55 PM  
 
2012-10-16 12:49:15 PM  
I think he should bring up the fact that the only people who have experienced Romney's executive ability are polling for Obama with a double digit lead.
 
2012-10-16 12:51:58 PM  
If I were Obama, I'd dismiss Romney completely. I'd say "I'm not going to debate a tax plan that gives few details and those change once a week". Then I'd spend the entire debate talking about my record and being positive. Every time Romney promises something, I'd just shake my head and ignore it. When he critizes me, hit back with the facts.

When you attack something, you make it sound like a threat. No reason to attack something that doesn't exist.
 
2012-10-16 12:53:37 PM  

bonefish: My dad who was absolutely pissed at me when he found out I registered as a Democrat said it all a few weeks ago. "I was going to vote for Romney, but I can't do that now. The man in a roundabout way called half the country losers. How can a man like that be president?" I thought hell had frozen over.


Seems like everyone has an anecdote about their hardcore GOP friends / family members / co workers that are suddenly swearing up and down that they hate Romney and would never vote for him, and is using this as evidence of his lack of appeal to anyone, but don't kid yourselves, when the chips are on the table, all these people are still going to vote for him.
 
2012-10-16 12:54:10 PM  

MisterRonbo: "In America, we demand that our President remain cool and calm in a crisis but go batshiat in a debate,"


LOL

But even as Mr. Obama worked around the clock to practice being a douche, Mitt Romney's campaign manager, Matt Rhoades, doubted his efforts would succeed.
"Being an asshole isn't a skill that you can just pick up overnight," Mr. Rhoades said. "Mitt Romney's been working on it all his life."
 
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