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2012-10-16 09:23:33 AM  
And if he does all of those things flawlessly AND has Jesus Christ rise up from the void to endorse him, the media will reluctantly raise their evaluation from "Obama got destroyed out there" to "It was a tie but only in the thinnest possible sense, I don't think this was the performance Obama needed."
 
2012-10-16 09:32:43 AM  
Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.
 
2012-10-16 09:35:16 AM  
he also needs to have balls and not look at the shine on his shoes all night.
 
2012-10-16 09:42:34 AM  
If he doesn't break open Romney's skull and feast on the goo then I'm going to vote for Bob Barr.
 
2012-10-16 09:44:32 AM  
#9 - use some of the wit he employs on the campaign trail.
 
2012-10-16 09:45:09 AM  
Good article and I think mostly right. I would suggest to perhaps modify the point about being read for surprising as characterizing Romney as both a flip-flopper and as someone who will say anything to bet elected.
 
2012-10-16 09:46:09 AM  

I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.


Please, from your keyboard to Joseph Smith's ears
 
2012-10-16 09:52:34 AM  
My 5 suggestions-

1. Be Optimistic- let Romney be all doom and gloom.

2. Run on your record- you have a great economic record! Remind people that when you took office the US was losing 750,000 jobs a month, and it is now gaining 150,000 jobs per month. Remind people that when you took office our GDP was falling at a rate of 8.9% and it is now growing at a rate of 1.5 to 2 %. Remind people that when you took office GM and Chrysler were on the brink of collapse, and now they are both doing great. Remind people that the recession you inherited was 400% worse than any recession since 1945, and a hole that big takes a while to dig out of, but we are doing it, and we will continue to do it.

3. Respond to the lies - When he brings up the green jobs, tell people that the success rate of the green jobs program is better than Romneys record at Bain. When he brings up the $716 billion from medicare, don't go off on some tangent, simply say that the savings won't impact people and will extend the life of medicare for another 15 years. When he brings up Libya, say that you are proud of the job the deiplomats perform, they have a tough job in dangerous conditions, and you won't stoop to playing a political game with a tragedy.

4. ATTACK HIM. Romney has given you a mountain of gaffes, misstatements, flip flops, and out right lies- USE THEM. The 47%, the London Olympic debacle, the numerous positions on abortion, taxes, etc. There is enough for 10 debates, but you have to use it.

5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.
 
2012-10-16 09:54:43 AM  

Dinki: 5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.


So... lie?
 
2012-10-16 09:55:04 AM  

Diogenes: #9 - use some of the wit he employs on the campaign trail.


herp derp - he's not allowed to use a telelprompter - derp derp derp.
 
2012-10-16 09:56:33 AM  

Diogenes: #9 - use some of the wit he employs on the campaign trail.


GOP Translation: "Obama was disrespect and made fun of Americans suffering"

If he fact checks Romney: "Constantly Interrupted and was rude to Romney"

If he is Polite: "Was asleep, appeared that the debate process with something that was beneath him"

If he is forceful in his arguments: "He was aggressiveness and reckless. Loose cannon"

If Obama wins: "It was a draw and will not stop the Mitmentum"

If it is a draw: "Obama lost definitively and Romney wins the election"

If Obama loses: "He was crushed and proof positive that American was hoodwinked into electing him. Prepare for a Reagan/Mondale level of failure this November"
 
2012-10-16 09:57:54 AM  

Dinki: My 5 suggestions-

1. Be Optimistic- let Romney be all doom and gloom.

2. Run on your record- you have a great economic record! Remind people that when you took office the US was losing 750,000 jobs a month, and it is now gaining 150,000 jobs per month. Remind people that when you took office our GDP was falling at a rate of 8.9% and it is now growing at a rate of 1.5 to 2 %. Remind people that when you took office GM and Chrysler were on the brink of collapse, and now they are both doing great. Remind people that the recession you inherited was 400% worse than any recession since 1945, and a hole that big takes a while to dig out of, but we are doing it, and we will continue to do it.

3. Respond to the lies - When he brings up the green jobs, tell people that the success rate of the green jobs program is better than Romneys record at Bain. When he brings up the $716 billion from medicare, don't go off on some tangent, simply say that the savings won't impact people and will extend the life of medicare for another 15 years. When he brings up Libya, say that you are proud of the job the deiplomats perform, they have a tough job in dangerous conditions, and you won't stoop to playing a political game with a tragedy.

4. ATTACK HIM. Romney has given you a mountain of gaffes, misstatements, flip flops, and out right lies- USE THEM. The 47%, the London Olympic debacle, the numerous positions on abortion, taxes, etc. There is enough for 10 debates, but you have to use it.

5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.


So basically what Biden did with less interrupting?
 
2012-10-16 09:58:09 AM  
Yeah, but if he gets too agressive he will be considered an uppity angry negro, and cause good white wimmins to faint.
 
2012-10-16 10:01:53 AM  

mrshowrules: Diogenes: #9 - use some of the wit he employs on the campaign trail.

GOP Translation: "Obama was disrespect and made fun of Americans suffering"

If he fact checks Romney: "Constantly Interrupted and was rude to Romney"

If he is Polite: "Was asleep, appeared that the debate process with something that was beneath him"

If he is forceful in his arguments: "He was aggressiveness and reckless. Loose cannon"

If Obama wins: "It was a draw and will not stop the Mitmentum"

If it is a draw: "Obama lost definitively and Romney wins the election"

If Obama loses: "He was crushed and proof positive that American was hoodwinked into electing him. Prepare for a Reagan/Mondale level of failure this November"


No doubt. But you can't let that make you defeatist - "No matter what I do..." etc.

You'll never be able to put the final stake in the heart of any opponent in one debate. I say, don't try to. Focus on doing your best and the rest will follow. Obama's got the skills, the mastery of the facts, and shiatton of ammunition courtesy of Romney. Only one of which he employed in the last debate (facts).
 
2012-10-16 10:02:49 AM  

Teknowaffle: Yeah, but if he gets too agressive he will be considered an uppity angry negro, and cause good white wimmins to faint.


And bad white wimmins to moisten.
 
2012-10-16 10:05:29 AM  
He should show up on stage with a two-handed sword and stab it into the stage right next to the podium between he and Romney. Considering how the right-wing agenda news will spin this no matter what the outcome, I don't think a big ass sword will make much of a difference to them but it will sure throw Romney off.
 
2012-10-16 10:07:46 AM  

Diogenes: #9 - use some of the wit he employs on the campaign trail.



Jerkstore comment?
 
2012-10-16 10:09:09 AM  

UberDave: He should show up on stage with a two-handed sword and stab it into the stage right next to the podium between he and Romney. Considering how the right-wing agenda news will spin this no matter what the outcome, I don't think a big ass sword will make much of a difference to them but it will sure throw Romney off.



Bring a small DVD player.  Place it on the chair behind him.  Just leave it there.  Romney will wonder what he's ready to play even if he never touches it all night.
 
2012-10-16 10:11:42 AM  

Diogenes: No doubt. But you can't let that make you defeatist - "No matter what I do..." etc.

You'll never be able to put the final stake in the heart of any opponent in one debate. I say, don't try to. Focus on doing your best and the rest will follow. Obama's got the skills, the mastery of the facts, and shiatton of ammunition courtesy of Romney. Only one of which he employed in the last debate (facts).


I'm getting the sneaky feeling that there are just a whole lot of dumb farkers out there that just want to vote for Romney and will take any excuse they can. Romney can call half of Americans freeloaders but if Obama doesn't wear a big enough flag pin, it will cancel that out.

Romney said let Detroit go bankrupt but that is cancelled out by Obama attending a celebrity fundraiser.

Romney was a draft dodging war hawk = Obama not personally writing individual letters to fallen soldiers families

I'm getting sick of this.
 
2012-10-16 10:12:20 AM  

mrshowrules: So basically what Biden did with less interrupting?


Even Biden only scratched the surface on attacking Romney. There is so much material, Obama only needs to use it.
 
2012-10-16 10:21:39 AM  

mrshowrules: Diogenes: No doubt. But you can't let that make you defeatist - "No matter what I do..." etc.

You'll never be able to put the final stake in the heart of any opponent in one debate. I say, don't try to. Focus on doing your best and the rest will follow. Obama's got the skills, the mastery of the facts, and shiatton of ammunition courtesy of Romney. Only one of which he employed in the last debate (facts).

I'm getting the sneaky feeling that there are just a whole lot of dumb farkers out there that just want to vote for Romney and will take any excuse they can. Romney can call half of Americans freeloaders but if Obama doesn't wear a big enough flag pin, it will cancel that out.

Romney said let Detroit go bankrupt but that is cancelled out by Obama attending a celebrity fundraiser.

Romney was a draft dodging war hawk = Obama not personally writing individual letters to fallen soldiers families

I'm getting sick of this.


That's been part of Romney's MO all along. Any major failing of his is countered with a minor (and specious at that) one of Obama's, so it's a push. It's been one of the more subtle (and not much at that) tactics of his campaign that I've found highly frustrating.

That one, you have to let go. If Obama engages on those it will result in a pointless pissing match. Deny the framework Romney has built. Don't argue from within that framework. Construct a better one.
 
2012-10-16 10:24:58 AM  

Dinki: mrshowrules: So basically what Biden did with less interrupting?

Even Biden only scratched the surface on attacking Romney. There is so much material, Obama only needs to use it.


fark the right. Obama needs to motivate his base and go down fighting or win fighting. Let the media say that a black man in Chicago assaulted a successful business man and Church leader. I don't care.
 
2012-10-16 10:25:27 AM  

I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.


Like he did last time? Obama was the empty suit last time. There are some worried mother farkers out there regarding this debate tonight. I fear for Chris Matthews mental health should Obama play dead again. He may stroke out right on live TV.
 
2012-10-16 10:26:14 AM  
My real analysis: 
 
Obama runs the risk of fighting the last debate, not this one by focusing on attacks instead of answering the question.  But he can make his case by being clear and concise that he is ready to lead and explain where he will lead.  So far, he's just essentially said, "I'm better than that guy, and let's not change course."  Nothing about why he should be re-elected.
 
Romney runs a risk of being too passive if Obama starts turning this into the Biden Show again.  If Obama does the Biden laugh track thing, Romney will need to call him on it and ask him directly "What is so funny about (insert economic numbers here)."  But then he may not be answering the questions of the audience either.
 
My best prognostication:
 
Both will have some wins and some losses in this debate.   Those will depend more on the questions asked than the answers given (abortion, Big Bird, Libya).   Nothing serious will change.  The polls will continue to tighten. 
 
2012-10-16 10:26:41 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.

Like he did last time? Obama was the empty suit last time. There are some worried mother farkers out there regarding this debate tonight. I fear for Chris Matthews mental health should Obama play dead again. He may stroke out right on live TV.


Jon Stewart: "See what you did, Obama?! You broke Chris Matthews!"
 
2012-10-16 10:30:04 AM  

Diogenes: HST's Dead Carcass: I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.

Like he did last time? Obama was the empty suit last time. There are some worried mother farkers out there regarding this debate tonight. I fear for Chris Matthews mental health should Obama play dead again. He may stroke out right on live TV.

Jon Stewart: "See what you did, Obama?! You broke Chris Matthews!"



It did show us that Chris Matthews can no longer claim to be objective.
 
2012-10-16 10:31:22 AM  

I_C_Weener: Diogenes: HST's Dead Carcass: I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.

Like he did last time? Obama was the empty suit last time. There are some worried mother farkers out there regarding this debate tonight. I fear for Chris Matthews mental health should Obama play dead again. He may stroke out right on live TV.

Jon Stewart: "See what you did, Obama?! You broke Chris Matthews!"


It did show us that Chris Matthews can no longer claim to be objective.


He's mad as hell and....
 
2012-10-16 10:33:27 AM  

I_C_Weener: My best prognostication:
 
Both will have some wins and some losses in this debate.   Those will depend more on the questions asked than the answers given (abortion, Big Bird, Libya).   Nothing serious will change.  The polls will continue to tighten.


Don't pull any muscles Nostradamus.
 
2012-10-16 10:34:26 AM  

I_C_Weener: Diogenes: HST's Dead Carcass: I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.

Like he did last time? Obama was the empty suit last time. There are some worried mother farkers out there regarding this debate tonight. I fear for Chris Matthews mental health should Obama play dead again. He may stroke out right on live TV.

Jon Stewart: "See what you did, Obama?! You broke Chris Matthews!"


It did show us that Chris Matthews can no longer claim to be objective.


?????

He admitted Obama did a lousy job and was angry. How is that not objective? His desire was for a better performance but based on the reality of the performance he concluded it sucked.

I can accept Matthews isn't always objective. But you picked a terrible example.

Nor is his job to be objective. He's not a regular newscaster or reporter. He has his own show. But that's a separate matter.
 
2012-10-16 10:43:45 AM  

unlikely: And if he does all of those things flawlessly AND has Jesus Christ rise up from the void to endorse him, the media will reluctantly raise their evaluation from "Obama got destroyed out there" to "It was a tie but only in the thinnest possible sense, I don't think this was the performance Obama needed."


It's a conspiracy to steal his bodily fluids by ensuring that he loses the election and has to get ejected from a cannon in the direction of Altair 6 while eating five hundred hotdogs and sipping 700 liters of RC Cola
 
2012-10-16 10:47:03 AM  
 
2012-10-16 10:47:14 AM  

Diogenes: How is that not objective?



He went nuts that Obama didn't do well.  That is editorial cheerleading.  Well, editorial mourning for a bad performance by the guy he supports.
 

mrshowrules: Don't pull any muscles Nostradamus.



I think the first debate did all the damage that will be done by the debates.  Barring some catastrophe, the remaining debates will not move the polls.  That's all I'm saying.  Either side could shine tonight...but I think the movement that was done in a short few days as a tidal wave is over.  Only slow movement will occur now because more people switched to decided from undecided (undecided on voting more than on who they support).  There just isn't any more room to get that big swing.
 
I do think Romney will continue to make slow gains in the battlground states.  Just not sure he'll make enough. 
 
2012-10-16 10:47:41 AM  
1. Not let Romney call him a liar all night long without being strongly challenged and corrected.

2. Not let Romney lie all night long without being forcefully and effectively corrected.

You know, pretty much the opposite of the last one.
 
2012-10-16 10:48:05 AM  
He should learn from the VP debate, in which Biden was too pushy, aggressive, and respectful.

He should stay calm, keep his responses even-toned, and rebut with simple facts. Not be too confrontational. Maybe just take some notes.

The media will eat that right up.
 
2012-10-16 10:48:23 AM  

cman: unlikely: And if he does all of those things flawlessly AND has Jesus Christ rise up from the void to endorse him, the media will reluctantly raise their evaluation from "Obama got destroyed out there" to "It was a tie but only in the thinnest possible sense, I don't think this was the performance Obama needed."

It's a conspiracy to steal his bodily fluids by ensuring that he loses the election and has to get ejected from a cannon in the direction of Altair 6 while eating five hundred hotdogs and sipping 700 liters of RC Cola


I knew it. Damn. Dude go into hiding, you can't just give away their secrets and expect to live. Do you have a place to go to ground?
 
2012-10-16 10:48:46 AM  
He needs the balls to say: You have given no specifics about what tax loopholes and deductions you will cut, this must mean that giving the richest 20% of Americans more money while cutting funding to programs that help poor and working families is the primary goal of your tax plan and all other talk about making it revenue neutral is far less important to you.
 
2012-10-16 10:49:42 AM  
I think Obama should fart loudly every time Romney tries to speak. I've used this technique in several arguments with Mrs. Henry and have had good results.
 
2012-10-16 10:50:23 AM  

I_C_Weener: Diogenes: How is that not objective?


He went nuts that Obama didn't do well.  That is editorial cheerleading.  Well, editorial mourning for a bad performance by the guy he supports.


Being 'unobjective' would be looking at a terrible performance and insisting he still won. You're splitting an already very thin hair.
 
2012-10-16 10:50:33 AM  
You know what I want to hear? When Romney brings up his tax plan to reduce everyone down to 20% while cutting loophole, but then refuses to say what ANY loophole is, I want Obama to say this:

"Romney's plan is not a plan. It is a Table of Contents for a book of blank pages."

Stop letting him call it a plan. It is not a plan. Change the narrative of what it is.
 
2012-10-16 10:51:57 AM  
So this guy is telling Obama to do these things.

Bush
War on Women
Stroke me under the blanket

Should work.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-16 10:52:35 AM  
CALL HIM ON THIS shiat!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-16 10:53:17 AM  
t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-16 10:53:37 AM  

cman: unlikely: And if he does all of those things flawlessly AND has Jesus Christ rise up from the void to endorse him, the media will reluctantly raise their evaluation from "Obama got destroyed out there" to "It was a tie but only in the thinnest possible sense, I don't think this was the performance Obama needed."

It's a conspiracy to steal his bodily fluids by ensuring that he loses the election and has to get ejected from a cannon in the direction of Altair 6 while eating five hundred hotdogs and sipping 700 liters of RC Cola



You know how Obama could absolutely win this debate?  Or Romney for that matter?  Skydive from 24 miles up, then land outside the debate location. 
 
2012-10-16 10:54:13 AM  

PallMall: Dinki: 5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.

So... lie?


Please describe how this is a "lie"?
 
2012-10-16 10:55:44 AM  
On the "rebut Romney's bogus studies" Obama needs to watch out for Romney's end game. One of Romney's biggest potential liabilities is damning studies from legitimate sources about his economic plans. By throwing out some blogs and saying "hey look, studies", he's setting up Obama to blast the studies at which time he'll say "look, we could argue about studies all day. You have yours, I have mine. Lets forget about studies and move on".
 
2012-10-16 10:56:14 AM  

Cletus C.: So this guy is telling Obama to do these things.

Bush
War on Women
Stroke me under the blanket

Should work.



He totally forgot the War On Woman Bush.
 
2012-10-16 10:57:02 AM  

mrshowrules: Dinki: mrshowrules: So basically what Biden did with less interrupting?

Even Biden only scratched the surface on attacking Romney. There is so much material, Obama only needs to use it.

fark the right. Obama needs to motivate his base and go down fighting or win fighting. Let the media say that a black man in Chicago assaulted a successful business man and Church leader. I don't care.


I almost want him to say "Even though you'll disagree with my methods and maybe even my politics, understand that, unlike Gov. Romney who denigrated you, I will fight for you with every bone in my body."

Romney can't even respond to that without looking like a hypocrite.
 
2012-10-16 10:58:29 AM  

unlikely: the media will reluctantly raise their evaluation from "Obama got destroyed out there" to "It was a tie but only in the thinnest possible sense, I don't think this was the performance Obama needed."


More specifically, those exact words will flow from the mouth of Chuck Todd.
 
2012-10-16 10:59:15 AM  

I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.


That's what I thought the first time. I was genuinely surprised to find out he didn't mop the floor with Romney.

I remember a couple years ago Obama took on a room full of Republicans about the health reform bill. The Republicans had their asses handed to them to the point that Fox News cut the feed early.

That's the Obama I wish could be channeled tonight.
 
2012-10-16 11:00:31 AM  

mrshowrules: Diogenes: #9 - use some of the wit he employs on the campaign trail.

GOP Translation: "Obama was disrespect and made fun of Americans suffering"

If he fact checks Romney: "Constantly Interrupted and was rude to Romney"

If he is Polite: "Was asleep, appeared that the debate process with something that was beneath him"

If he is forceful in his arguments: "He was aggressiveness and reckless. Loose cannon"

If Obama wins: "It was a draw and will not stop the Mitmentum"

If it is a draw: "Obama lost definitively and Romney wins the election"

If Obama loses: "He was crushed and proof positive that American was hoodwinked into electing him. Prepare for a Reagan/Mondale level of failure this November"


That sounds more like the press translation. If he wants to "win" he's going to have to literally walk on stage and tear Romney's still-beating heart out of his chest. Even then he'll suffer a bad news cycle while people ask if he was too rude and aggressive.
 
2012-10-16 11:00:37 AM  
I refuse to tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing.
 
2012-10-16 11:01:10 AM  
Quoting myself in another thread, I just want one thing from the debate: Obama to mention that Romney had a 33% approval rating in Mass. after governing for 4 years. And, I would like him to mention that Obama is leading in Mass. by 12%, so, clearly, the people who know Romney's leadership the most are not impressed. Okay, two things I would like him to mention. Also, that Romney spent over a year in office out of state and on personal business, rather than governing. So, three things.

Maybe something about Romeny's 800 vetoes and being overridden like 99% of the time. That would be good.
 
2012-10-16 11:02:58 AM  

RyogaM: Quoting myself in another thread, I just want one thing from the debate: Obama to mention that Romney had a 33% approval rating in Mass. after governing for 4 years. And, I would like him to mention that Obama is leading in Mass. by 12%, so, clearly, the people who know Romney's leadership the most are not impressed. Okay, two things I would like him to mention. Also, that Romney spent over a year in office out of state and on personal business, rather than governing. So, three things.

Maybe something about Romeny's 800 vetoes and being overridden like 99% of the time. That would be good.


Is that true? Why the f*ck isn't Obama crowdsourcing this garbage? The material is never-ending if you pay attention.
 
2012-10-16 11:06:26 AM  
Obama needs to talk about Ryan's abortion position early and often. Ryan is well outside the norm and even outside what moderate republicans believe. Ryan will not pander on this issue like Romney. Obama can hit him over and over and over.
 
2012-10-16 11:06:50 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: RyogaM: Quoting myself in another thread, I just want one thing from the debate: Obama to mention that Romney had a 33% approval rating in Mass. after governing for 4 years. And, I would like him to mention that Obama is leading in Mass. by 12%, so, clearly, the people who know Romney's leadership the most are not impressed. Okay, two things I would like him to mention. Also, that Romney spent over a year in office out of state and on personal business, rather than governing. So, three things.

Maybe something about Romeny's 800 vetoes and being overridden like 99% of the time. That would be good.

Is that true? Why the f*ck isn't Obama crowdsourcing this garbage? The material is never-ending if you pay attention.


Yep.
 
2012-10-16 11:11:00 AM  

Zoophagous: Obama needs to talk about Ryan's abortion position early and often. Ryan is well outside the norm and even outside what moderate republicans believe. Ryan will not pander on this issue like Romney. Obama can hit him over and over and over.


That's a farking terrible idea.
 
2012-10-16 11:11:39 AM  

Rwa2play: PallMall: Dinki: 5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.

So... lie?

Please describe how this is a "lie"?


We are talking about Obama opening c**k holster, right?
 
2012-10-16 11:12:28 AM  
Can he just send Biden up there?
 
2012-10-16 11:14:39 AM  
Obama needs to bring a big stick.

Yes, I know there's no props allowed. He can just casually lay it on the podium. Use it like a pimp cane to walk on stage, and walk all casual-like up and set it cross-ways on the podium.
 
2012-10-16 11:17:36 AM  

sprawl15: Zoophagous: Obama needs to talk about Ryan's abortion position early and often. Ryan is well outside the norm and even outside what moderate republicans believe. Ryan will not pander on this issue like Romney. Obama can hit him over and over and over.

That's a farking terrible idea.


Only 57 comments in and I'm already not sure which posts are from the real Obama supporters and which ones are trolls.

I'd give my two cents on what Obama needs to do, but I'm certain he has heard advice from every angle these past 13 days. And he has enough pride and intelligence not to let that first debate happen again.

The only advice he probably needs right now is how to fit all the good ideas into a 90 minute debate. I'm more than a little confident that he'll end tonight with an "I want to keep this going" moment, not unlike that unscripted health care debate with Republicans a couple of years ago.
 
2012-10-16 11:17:42 AM  

I_C_Weener: I think the first debate did all the damage that will be done by the debates. Barring some catastrophe, the remaining debates will not move the polls. That's all I'm saying. Either side could shine tonight...but I think the movement that was done in a short few days as a tidal wave is over. Only slow movement will occur now because more people switched to decided from undecided (undecided on voting more than on who they support). There just isn't any more room to get that big swing.


I respectively disagree to this in part. If Obama has another lousy showing, it will cost him the election. If Romney has a lousy showing, meh, it's what we expected. I agree that all the damage that can be done is done at this point and the polls will not move if Obama wins.
 
2012-10-16 11:18:10 AM  

bikerific: He should learn from the VP debate, in which Biden was too pushy, aggressive, and respectful.

He should stay calm, keep his responses even-toned, and rebut with simple facts. Not be too confrontational. Maybe just take some notes.

The media will eat that right up.


Right, because that is in no way identical to what he did in the first debate.
 
2012-10-16 11:20:54 AM  

I_C_Weener: Diogenes: How is that not objective?


He went nuts that Obama didn't do well.  That is editorial cheerleading.  Well, editorial mourning for a bad performance by the guy he supports.
 
mrshowrules: Don't pull any muscles Nostradamus.


I think the first debate did all the damage that will be done by the debates.  Barring some catastrophe, the remaining debates will not move the polls.  That's all I'm saying.  Either side could shine tonight...but I think the movement that was done in a short few days as a tidal wave is over.  Only slow movement will occur now because more people switched to decided from undecided (undecided on voting more than on who they support).  There just isn't any more room to get that big swing.
 
I do think Romney will continue to make slow gains in the battlground states.  Just not sure he'll make enough.


I think you're half right, as far as gains go. Romney charged up the right, which knocked his leaners into his column. Obama demoralized the left, reminding them of every time he failed to fight back. That translated into unwillingness to answer polls, leaners identifying as "undecided" etc.

Biden stopped the bleeding, but Ryan kept the right energized, and they'll probably stay that way all the way to the election. Once the wingers get worked up, it generally takes em a few months to calm down.

If Obama plays wet noodle again tonight, though, he'll completely kill the myth of "candidate Obama" being better at fighting back than "President Obama." That'll kill his campaign.

He's probably not dumb enough to fall for it again, but if Romney comes at him from a completely new angle, knowing he won't get called on it too bad, Obama may reply in a way that seems off-tone or weird.
 
2012-10-16 11:21:33 AM  

Nurglitch: Obama needs to bring a big stick.

Yes, I know there's no props allowed. He can just casually lay it on the podium. Use it like a pimp cane to walk on stage, and walk all casual-like up and set it cross-ways on the podium.


Didn't he bring a broom last time.. to "Sweep away corruption?" Oh yeah, and I think there was a midget there too. (with a midget broom)
 
2012-10-16 11:22:28 AM  

I_C_Weener: Mitt RomneyObama is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama'sRomney got this.

 
2012-10-16 11:23:13 AM  
he could offer some free market solutions consistent with our founding principles.
 
2012-10-16 11:28:04 AM  
How about growing a pair?
 
2012-10-16 11:31:27 AM  

King Something: Right, because that is in no way identical to what he did in the first debate.


That'sthejoke.jpg
 
2012-10-16 11:32:16 AM  
Be angry and take no prisoners, Obama!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-16 11:35:03 AM  

PallMall: Dinki: 5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.

So... lie?


Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
2012-10-16 11:36:44 AM  

The Great EZE: Only 57 comments in and I'm already not sure which posts are from the real Obama supporters and which ones are trolls.


Aren't they the same thing?
 
2012-10-16 11:37:04 AM  

PallMall: Didn't he bring a broom last time.. to "Sweep away corruption?" Oh yeah, and I think there was a midget there too. (with a midget broom)


Goddamn it we can't just go out there with our own midget. We'd look like damn Johnny come lately. And how the hell are we going to run on reform when we're the damn incumbent?
 
2012-10-16 11:39:07 AM  
FTA: Be ready for a surprise. I think I wrote this last week, or if I didn't I meant to. But Matt Miller of The Washington Post did. Romney is shameless enough to say something tonight like he now supports higher taxes for the rich, after the economy has regained its footing.

This is why Romney won the first and is probably gonna be able to at least force a tie in the next couple of debates.

It's really, really hard to debate someone when they can change their position to whatever's convenient whenever they wish. Obama is tied to his record. Romney can take any position, even ones that contradict what he said earlier in the debate. He's already got a reputation as a flip-flopper; there's literally zero downside for him in embodying it. His supporters clearly don't care and the "undecided voters" who are watching are usually so ignorant of the candidate's positions they won't realize what he's doing.

I mean, theoretically the media could call him on it if he lies his pants off, but considering how they praised him after the BS he shovelled in the first debate... we all know that's not gonna happen.
 
2012-10-16 11:40:34 AM  
C'mon. All Obama has to do is show up tonight.

Most of the media already have their BIG OBAMA COMEBACK VICTORY stories already written. Especially now with Romney pulling away a bit in the already oversampled Dem polls.
 
2012-10-16 11:42:38 AM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Be angry and take no prisoners, Obama!


Thanks for that gif, now my coworkers are all wondering why I'm laughing.
 
2012-10-16 11:50:28 AM  
Didnt see:

SWEEP THE LEG
 
2012-10-16 11:52:28 AM  
Be a rude, loud mouth, jack ass who laughs inappropriately at his opponents statements. That's a sure fire way to win.
 
2012-10-16 11:55:31 AM  

beta_plus: Be a rude, loud mouth, jack ass who laughs inappropriately at his opponents statements.


See, it's not rude to lie to the American people, it's only rude to act incredulous when it happens.
 
2012-10-16 11:55:41 AM  

Dinki: My 5 suggestions-

1. Be Optimistic- let Romney be all doom and gloom.

2. Run on your record- you have a great economic record! Remind people that when you took office the US was losing 750,000 jobs a month, and it is now gaining 150,000 jobs per month. Remind people that when you took office our GDP was falling at a rate of 8.9% and it is now growing at a rate of 1.5 to 2 %. Remind people that when you took office GM and Chrysler were on the brink of collapse, and now they are both doing great. Remind people that the recession you inherited was 400% worse than any recession since 1945, and a hole that big takes a while to dig out of, but we are doing it, and we will continue to do it.

3. Respond to the lies - When he brings up the green jobs, tell people that the success rate of the green jobs program is better than Romneys record at Bain. When he brings up the $716 billion from medicare, don't go off on some tangent, simply say that the savings won't impact people and will extend the life of medicare for another 15 years. When he brings up Libya, say that you are proud of the job the deiplomats perform, they have a tough job in dangerous conditions, and you won't stoop to playing a political game with a tragedy.

4. ATTACK HIM. Romney has given you a mountain of gaffes, misstatements, flip flops, and out right lies- USE THEM. The 47%, the London Olympic debacle, the numerous positions on abortion, taxes, etc. There is enough for 10 debates, but you have to use it.

5. Finally- NEVER NEVER NEVER denigrate yourself- Don't say you haven't been a perfect president, don't say you haven't done everything you promised, don't say you wish you could have done more. That is Romneys job. Your job is to remind people of the good you accomplished, and to promise to continue to fight for them.


I think this really covers it. Romney and Ryan have seized the narrative on a couple points very successfully - the Benghazi rubbish, their personal portrayal of the economy - and Obama needs to regain control of his own story of the last four years. Osama's dead, the economy is very much headed in the right direction. Bring back some of the major malevolences in Romney's story, particulary Bain's slash and burn capitalism and his refusal to show his taxes, which every presidential candidate since his own father has done.

Obama should be in good shape. I'm convinced he didn't give the first debate much attention and was simultaneously surprised at how Romney was a completely different candidate than he was before. Judging by Obama as we know him, as a campaigner in the past, and as a president, he will be much more prepared.
 
2012-10-16 11:56:43 AM  

colon_pow: he could offer some free market solutions consistent with our founding principles.


You mean tax cuts for the rich, right?
 
2012-10-16 11:56:55 AM  

beta_plus: Be a rude, loud mouth, jack ass who laughs inappropriately at his opponents statements. That's a sure fire way to win.


Steal Romney's first debate game plan?

OK
 
2012-10-16 12:04:01 PM  

I_C_Weener: Mitt Romney is an empty suit buffoon who got lucky. Obama's got this.


No, he doesn't. This election is all over except for the crying. Get ready for at least four years of dumbshiat GOP policies.
 
2012-10-16 12:04:48 PM  
My dad who was absolutely pissed at me when he found out I registered as a Democrat said it all a few weeks ago. "I was going to vote for Romney, but I can't do that now. The man in a roundabout way called half the country losers. How can a man like that be president?" I thought hell had frozen over.
 
2012-10-16 12:06:15 PM  

Gunther: FTA: Be ready for a surprise. I think I wrote this last week, or if I didn't I meant to. But Matt Miller of The Washington Post did. Romney is shameless enough to say something tonight like he now supports higher taxes for the rich, after the economy has regained its footing.

This is why Romney won the first and is probably gonna be able to at least force a tie in the next couple of debates.

It's really, really hard to debate someone when they can change their position to whatever's convenient whenever they wish. Obama is tied to his record. Romney can take any position, even ones that contradict what he said earlier in the debate. He's already got a reputation as a flip-flopper; there's literally zero downside for him in embodying it. His supporters clearly don't care and the "undecided voters" who are watching are usually so ignorant of the candidate's positions they won't realize what he's doing.

I mean, theoretically the media could call him on it if he lies his pants off, but considering how they praised him after the BS he shovelled in the first debate... we all know that's not gonna happen.




I'm inclined to agree, though I think Obama needs to pick up the slack and at least call out Romney for doing so. I hate myself for thinking this, but Obama does need some kind of "There you go again..." moment. But Obama does have to balance that with defending/playing-up his record as well.
 
2012-10-16 12:08:18 PM  

Rwa2play: mrshowrules: Dinki: mrshowrules: So basically what Biden did with less interrupting?

Even Biden only scratched the surface on attacking Romney. There is so much material, Obama only needs to use it.

fark the right. Obama needs to motivate his base and go down fighting or win fighting. Let the media say that a black man in Chicago assaulted a successful business man and Church leader. I don't care.

I almost want him to say "Even though you'll disagree with my methods and maybe even my politics, understand that, unlike Gov. Romney who denigrated you, I will fight for you with every bone in my body."

Romney can't even respond to that without looking like a hypocrite.


"denigrated" sounds like a dangerous word but I agree.

"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will fight for the middle-class."
"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will not take this country into another war unless it is absolutely necessary"
"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect Medicare for current and future generations".
"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect the country from another economic collapse caused by unfettered greed and recklessness in the financial markets."
"Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect Americas access to basic health care including women's reproductive rights"
 
2012-10-16 12:09:50 PM  

King Something: bikerific: He should learn from the VP debate, in which Biden was too pushy, aggressive, and respectful.

He should stay calm, keep his responses even-toned, and rebut with simple facts. Not be too confrontational. Maybe just take some notes.

The media will eat that right up.

Right, because that is in no way identical to what he did in the first debate.




that'sthejoke.jpg
 
2012-10-16 12:11:13 PM  
Jesus Christ, Fortune just absolutely dismantled Mitt Romney. Obama could come to the debate and simply read this. If he still loses, we'll deserve it when we turn into Haiti.
 
2012-10-16 12:25:06 PM  

mrshowrules: "Unlike Mr. Romney, I will fight for the middle-class. Unlike Mr. Romney, I will not take this country into another war unless it is absolutely necessary. Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect Medicare for current and future generations. Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect the country from another economic collapse caused by unfettered greed and recklessness in the financial markets. Unlike Mr. Romney, I will protect Americas access to basic health care including women's reproductive rights."


This is what should have happened the first time Jim Lehrerhererrher asked what the difference between the two was.
 
2012-10-16 12:25:56 PM  
Hopefully he's reading this thread before the debate. Lot of astute campaign managers frequent Fark apparently.
 
2012-10-16 12:26:36 PM  
Obama should use his entire closing statement to rattle off all his accomplishments.
 
2012-10-16 12:26:43 PM  

mrshowrules: Diogenes: #9 - use some of the wit he employs on the campaign trail.

GOP Translation: "Obama was disrespect and made fun of Americans suffering"

If he fact checks Romney: "Constantly Interrupted and was rude to Romney"

If he is Polite: "Was asleep, appeared that the debate process with something that was beneath him"

If he is forceful in his arguments: "He was aggressiveness and reckless. Loose cannon"

If Obama wins: "It was a draw and will not stop the Mitmentum"

If it is a draw: "Obama lost definitively and Romney wins the election"

If Obama loses: "He was crushed and proof positive that American was hoodwinked into electing him. Prepare for a Reagan/Mondale level of failure this November"


And no matter which, the lefties will immediately accept the GOP/media analysis without objection and spend the next three weeks doing the Republican Party's concern trolling for them.
 
2012-10-16 12:36:29 PM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Be angry and take no prisoners, Obama!

[i.imgur.com image 255x156]


People actually think that video is real. That frightens me.
 
2012-10-16 12:37:22 PM  

bikerific: King Something: bikerific: He should learn from the VP debate, in which Biden was too pushy, aggressive, and respectful.

He should stay calm, keep his responses even-toned, and rebut with simple facts. Not be too confrontational. Maybe just take some notes.

The media will eat that right up.

Right, because that is in no way identical to what he did in the first debate.



that'sthejoke.jpg


It's hard to tell the difference these days. Poe's Law's and all that.
 
2012-10-16 12:38:05 PM  

mrshowrules: fark the right. Obama needs to motivate his base and go down fighting or win fighting. Let the media say that a black man in Chicago assaulted a successful business man and Church leader. I don't care.


Conservatives are going to be shiatting their pants over the Angry Black Man no matter what. Fark em. Beat Romney up the head with facts, and shiat down this throat with emotion. Obama needs to convince the 5 undecideds left that he's willing to lay it on the line for them.
 
2012-10-16 12:40:38 PM  
 
2012-10-16 12:44:55 PM  
 
2012-10-16 12:49:15 PM  
I think he should bring up the fact that the only people who have experienced Romney's executive ability are polling for Obama with a double digit lead.
 
2012-10-16 12:51:58 PM  
If I were Obama, I'd dismiss Romney completely. I'd say "I'm not going to debate a tax plan that gives few details and those change once a week". Then I'd spend the entire debate talking about my record and being positive. Every time Romney promises something, I'd just shake my head and ignore it. When he critizes me, hit back with the facts.

When you attack something, you make it sound like a threat. No reason to attack something that doesn't exist.
 
2012-10-16 12:53:37 PM  

bonefish: My dad who was absolutely pissed at me when he found out I registered as a Democrat said it all a few weeks ago. "I was going to vote for Romney, but I can't do that now. The man in a roundabout way called half the country losers. How can a man like that be president?" I thought hell had frozen over.


Seems like everyone has an anecdote about their hardcore GOP friends / family members / co workers that are suddenly swearing up and down that they hate Romney and would never vote for him, and is using this as evidence of his lack of appeal to anyone, but don't kid yourselves, when the chips are on the table, all these people are still going to vote for him.
 
2012-10-16 12:54:10 PM  

MisterRonbo: "In America, we demand that our President remain cool and calm in a crisis but go batshiat in a debate,"


LOL

But even as Mr. Obama worked around the clock to practice being a douche, Mitt Romney's campaign manager, Matt Rhoades, doubted his efforts would succeed.
"Being an asshole isn't a skill that you can just pick up overnight," Mr. Rhoades said. "Mitt Romney's been working on it all his life."
 
2012-10-16 01:04:00 PM  
He needs to tie Romney to Legitimate Rape Akin and every other clown under the GOP Big Top. Keep reminding people it's a package deal.
He needs to remind people that Romney's staff walks back everything Romney says when he's talking to a non-partisan crowd.
He needs to point out that Romney is a Wall Street Sharpie, Not a job creator. Not a talented CEO.
 
2012-10-16 01:04:00 PM  

GameSprocket: I think he should bring up the fact that the only people who have experienced Romney's executive ability are polling for Obama with a double digit lead.


Repeat this in every thread, to every Romney supporter:

After four years of his leadership, Romney had a 33% approval rating.

33% Romney is a 33%er. 66% of the state he led thought he was a shiat leader. He ties Bush for having a 33% approval rating on leaving office, but it only took half as long for people to discover he was a shiat leader.

Romney is a 33%er. Repeat as needed.
 
2012-10-16 01:15:02 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: C'mon. All Obama has to do is show up tonight.
Most of the media already have their BIG OBAMA COMEBACK VICTORY stories already written. Especially now with Romney pulling away a bit in the already oversampled Dem polls.


I feel like we're all being baited. Every election has to be a nail-biter. Something has to fill up that 24 hours of "news." 

But one thing for sure--the internet is going to melt down tonight.
 
2012-10-16 01:15:30 PM  

beta_plus: Be a rude, loud mouth, jack ass who laughs inappropriately at his opponents statements. That's a sure fire way to win.


Hey, worked for Romney~!
 
2012-10-16 01:18:53 PM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Be angry and take no prisoners, Obama!

[i.imgur.com image 255x156]


Unleash Luther
 
2012-10-16 01:20:13 PM  

js34603: Hopefully he's reading this thread before the debate. Lot of astute campaign managers frequent Fark apparently.


Maybe they should; seriously, it seems some of us can actually put the right words together to tell the people WTF is going on. The whole "Keep It Simple, Stupid" theory and all that.
 
2012-10-16 01:38:51 PM  

beta_plus: Be a rude, loud mouth, jack ass who laughs inappropriately at his opponents statements. That's a sure fire way to win.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-16 02:06:50 PM  

spman: bonefish: My dad who was absolutely pissed at me when he found out I registered as a Democrat said it all a few weeks ago. "I was going to vote for Romney, but I can't do that now. The man in a roundabout way called half the country losers. How can a man like that be president?" I thought hell had frozen over.

Seems like everyone has an anecdote about their hardcore GOP friends / family members / co workers that are suddenly swearing up and down that they hate Romney and would never vote for him, and is using this as evidence of his lack of appeal to anyone, but don't kid yourselves, when the chips are on the table, all these people are still going to vote for him.


Republicans vote in lock step despite rhyme or reason?

Stop the presses.
 
2012-10-16 04:55:05 PM  

bikerific: He should learn from the VP debate, in which Biden was too pushy, aggressive, and respectful.

He should stay calm, keep his responses even-toned, and rebut with simple facts. Not be too confrontational. Maybe just take some notes.

The media will eat that right up.


You have been favorited.
 
2012-10-16 06:34:49 PM  

spman: bonefish: My dad who was absolutely pissed at me when he found out I registered as a Democrat said it all a few weeks ago. "I was going to vote for Romney, but I can't do that now. The man in a roundabout way called half the country losers. How can a man like that be president?" I thought hell had frozen over.

Seems like everyone has an anecdote about their hardcore GOP friends / family members / co workers that are suddenly swearing up and down that they hate Romney and would never vote for him, and is using this as evidence of his lack of appeal to anyone, but don't kid yourselves, when the chips are on the table, all these people are still going to vote for him.


True. But then there's the 3-4 people of Facebook who profess their Romney love whose 20 something kids will lose their insurance when/if the ACA gets axed... But, Romney has a plan for their kids. They will magically find good employment or something? He must really be a true moderate Republican. (much like I voted for Bush over Kerry oops or not?)
 
2012-10-17 02:10:21 AM  

unlikely: And if he does all of those things flawlessly AND has Jesus Christ rise up from the void to endorse him, the media will reluctantly raise their evaluation from "Obama got destroyed out there" to "It was a tie but only in the thinnest possible sense, I don't think this was the performance Obama needed."


Called it.
 
2012-10-17 12:18:09 PM  

unlikely: unlikely: And if he does all of those things flawlessly AND has Jesus Christ rise up from the void to endorse him, the media will reluctantly raise their evaluation from "Obama got destroyed out there" to "It was a tie but only in the thinnest possible sense, I don't think this was the performance Obama needed."

Called it.


Yup. Now let's see if I called it (I hope not):

BuckTurgidson: And no matter which, the lefties will immediately accept the GOP/media analysis without objection and spend the next three weeks doing the Republican Party's concern trolling for them.


Will the Dems grow a pair, act like winners, and steadfastly assert, highlight, and act on Obama's victory?
Or will they once again let themselves be cowed and concern-trolled to uncritically accept, repeat, and amplify the shenanigans GOP/media "analysis"?
 
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