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(NPR)   Now that you mention it, the Emperor does appear to be naked   (npr.org) divider line 109
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2012-10-16 07:34:38 AM
I never thought his speeches were all that great, to be honest. Some of that may be ideological differences, but not all: I think Bill Clinton is a much better orator. A lying weasel, but damn good at speechifying.
 
2012-10-16 08:36:10 AM
Now that you mention it, the Emperor does appear to be naked, so vote for the rich guy who only gets to run for President because his daddy did.
 
2012-10-16 08:37:06 AM
Concern trolling, NPR?

That's why I'm not tempted to donate to your current pledge drive.
 
2012-10-16 08:37:35 AM
So vote for Rmoney? How about no.
 
2012-10-16 08:37:49 AM
Of course he is. Daniel Webster once argued with John C Calhoun over the level of attractiveness of a Washington D.C. barmaid, and there was not a dry eye in the house.
 
2012-10-16 08:38:04 AM
He has one style of speech ing. And he is very good at that style. But it is probably viewed as old and busted by some. The UN speech was well done.
 
2012-10-16 08:39:44 AM
There was that whole killing Osama speech.

That one was pretty good.
 
2012-10-16 08:41:24 AM

dittybopper: I never thought his speeches were all that great, to be honest. Some of that may be ideological differences, but not all: I think Bill Clinton is a much better orator. A lying weasel, but damn good at speechifying.


Case in point: Clinton's speech at the Democratic Party convention. Clinton was able to frame the debate in a way that made perfect sense, and was almost entirely true, at least compared to some others that were almost entirely made up. And when he deviated from the written speech it made perfect sense, and flowed well.

Link
 
2012-10-16 08:41:28 AM
He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)
 
2012-10-16 08:42:06 AM

acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)


Kinda like me without "Preview".
 
2012-10-16 08:42:21 AM
"I don't think any speech he gave as president ever moved the dime in Congress or the country," says David Carney, a GOP consultant. "Maybe we don't remember his speeches because they had no effect."

That's so weird, because I find that the best way to remember something somebody says is to indoctrinate myself hours in advance with people telling me how despicable the speaker is, and then when the speaker does speak, just stick my fingers in my ears and shriek "LALALALALALAICAN'THEARYOU!!!" But, this carney doesn't think it's an effective listening tactic? I'll be damned.

Of course, Obama's a far better speaker than the previous president. If only people could remember who that mysterious enigma was...

Alphax: Concern trolling, NPR?

That's why I'm not tempted to donate to your current pledge drive.


Yeah, they lost me after they became pussies about calling torture torture.
 
2012-10-16 08:43:30 AM

acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)


Damned liberal teleprompters.
 
2012-10-16 08:44:16 AM
The only reason Obama seemed like this incredible orator was because he followed 8 years of George W. Bush.
Comparatively, he WAS incredible.

Bubba will always been my favorite though.
 
2012-10-16 08:44:37 AM

LoneWolf343: acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)

Damned liberal teleprompters.


Yeah, that's what I meant.
 
2012-10-16 08:44:40 AM
Someone said "teleprompter." DRINK!!!
 
2012-10-16 08:45:33 AM
NPR is just hedging their bets with this article.
 
2012-10-16 08:46:50 AM
One bad debate and people are in hysterics.  
 
2012-10-16 08:47:06 AM
NPR is in the tank for Obama still, right Conservatives?
 
2012-10-16 08:47:12 AM

acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)


jeff dunham? really?
 
2012-10-16 08:47:50 AM
Wow a guy gives one bad performance and all of a sudden he's a terrible speaker.
 
2012-10-16 08:48:03 AM
NPR Denigrating his spadework? color me shocked.
 
2012-10-16 08:48:55 AM
Yeah, he sucks at selling his achievements or shaping a narrative for what he is trying to do. Which is amplified tenfold by the fact that the GOP is so very willing to fill that gap. It's one of the more frustrating things about him, from the point of view of a supporter.

Oh well. He'll do better in his second term.
 
2012-10-16 08:49:20 AM

urbangirl: acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)

jeff dunham? really?


Meh, it gets people to respond.
 
2012-10-16 08:49:49 AM
He's speaks to us like we're adults. We hate that.

Who knew?
 
2012-10-16 08:50:07 AM
I welcome articles like this before the debate. It brings the expectations down. Remember winning and losing is all relative to expectation.
 
2012-10-16 08:50:32 AM
Some fair points raised about not "selling it" as much as he could, but I take issue with one comment in the article:

FTA: "I don't think any speech he gave as president ever moved the dime in Congress or the country," says David Carney, a GOP consultant. "Maybe we don't remember his speeches because they had no effect."

Yeah, nevermind that there is political gain to be made by opposing the Democratic party agenda and campaigning against Obama. How much of the GOP's campaigning over the past four years has been about standing up to "Obama and his cronies"?

Come on, you know if the President were actually selling these policies more, the GOP would take any of those and turn them into fundraising or attack ads. Basically, there are some groups I don't think the President will ever win with (some conservatives and even liberals), no matter what he does.
 
2012-10-16 08:51:37 AM

Alphax: Concern trolling, NPR?

That's why I'm not tempted to donate to your current pledge drive.


Either concern trolling or lowering the expectation bar.

In an article earlier this year, Glastris argued that Obama has moved more in terms of "sheer legislative tonnage" than any president since Lyndon Johnson, but has been "surprisingly inept" at explaining to the country what he's up to and what he's achieved.

"It's like he doesn't want to brag about his own accomplishments - that's for others to do," Glastris says in an interview. "Dude, whose job is it to sell your stuff? Your job."


That noted, I find it hard to disagree with any of the above.
 
2012-10-16 08:51:44 AM

acad1228: Meh, it gets people to respond.


Aww... You're feeling lonely and need someone to talk to?
 
2012-10-16 08:52:45 AM

PallMall: NPR is just hedging their bets with this article.


Well yeah, they don't want to get Big Birded.
 
2012-10-16 08:53:31 AM

acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)


I get that you're pushing a talking point here, but he's clearly a great writer, since he's written many of his best-delivered speeches. But I know that doesn't fit the narrative that he's an empty suit (or chair, or whatever), because it makes the teleprompter thing into a flaw about presentation and clarity on his feet rather than about intelligence. And we can't have that, can we?
 
2012-10-16 08:54:01 AM

James!: One bad debate and people are in hysterics.


They desperately want a horse race. Anyone who actually watched the first debate will tell you that Romney performed better than expected and Obama had a lackluster performance, whereas the "liberal" media (as well as the people who didn't watch the debate but did watch the highlights on the news) will tell you that Romney ran roughshod over Obama like a freight train of truthiness going full speed through a balsa wood wall of actual facts.

/ask former presidents McCain, Kerry, Gore and Dole how well winning the first presidential debate worked out for them
 
2012-10-16 08:54:22 AM
Is he the 'best' speaker? No.
Is he a good speaker? Yes.

A better question is do any of his potential budgetary plans actually include 'Math'? Yes.
 
2012-10-16 08:54:38 AM

quatchi: Alphax: Concern trolling, NPR?

That's why I'm not tempted to donate to your current pledge drive.

Either concern trolling or lowering the expectation bar.

In an article earlier this year, Glastris argued that Obama has moved more in terms of "sheer legislative tonnage" than any president since Lyndon Johnson, but has been "surprisingly inept" at explaining to the country what he's up to and what he's achieved.

"It's like he doesn't want to brag about his own accomplishments - that's for others to do," Glastris says in an interview. "Dude, whose job is it to sell your stuff? Your job."

That noted, I find it hard to disagree with any of the above.


Humility is a virtue. But the people campaigning for him could say more.
 
2012-10-16 08:55:50 AM

King Something: /ask former presidents McCain, Kerry, Gore and Dole how well winning the first presidential debate worked out for them


To be fair, Gore and Kerry did win their presidential elections.
 
2012-10-16 08:55:52 AM

James!: One bad debate and people are in hysterics.


Such is the way of the modern world and it's echo chamber:

*Watches debate on TV* - "Hey, Obama looked kinda out of it."
*Looks at twitter roll during debate* - "LOL Obama looks bored!"
*Pundits after debate* "Barack Obama prefers to think about palling around with terrorists, rappers, and arugula PAC donors than he does debating the real issues facing America!"
*The Internet Pundit* - Obama is afraid that the Masons are about to cast light on his evil cabal with Mexico, Canada, and the Moon men."
*Two week later "Deep Thinker" Concern troll*- "Is Barack Obama overrated as a speaker?"
 
2012-10-16 09:10:06 AM

acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him.


I love this little nugget of bullshiat, mostly because it implies that republicans fail against Obama due to their lack of skill at something as basic as reading off a teleprompter.
 
2012-10-16 09:10:20 AM

acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)


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leftcall.com
 
2012-10-16 09:10:41 AM

acad1228: urbangirl: acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)

jeff dunham? really?

Meh, it gets people to respond.


Your quest for validation makes me sad.
 
2012-10-16 09:13:40 AM
"I don't think any speech he gave as president ever moved the dime in Congress or the country," says David Carney, a GOP consultant. "Maybe we don't remember his speeches because they had no effect."

Give me a break. The GOP couldn't have been moved by a caseload of White Castles. Maybe they recall that their single most important job was to make Obama a one term president.
 
2012-10-16 09:16:18 AM
I am not a big fan of his speaking. Too many dramatic pauses.
 
2012-10-16 09:17:20 AM
If he's naked, maybe the Democrats could finally open their eyes and realize that he is also black.
 
2012-10-16 09:18:32 AM

doyner: Someone said "teleprompter." DRINK!!!


Oh god, you said it again! This is going to end up with me passed out on the floor, and it's not even 7AM yet on the West Coast.
 
2012-10-16 09:21:36 AM

Girl From The North Country: Give me a break. The GOP couldn't have been moved by a caseload of White Castles.


I disagree. As full of shiat as everybody in the GOP is, that would do just the trick.
 
2012-10-16 09:22:30 AM
"NPR is a communist propaganda outfit that is not worth a damn, except when they criticize Obama, they're a national treasure."
 
2012-10-16 09:25:53 AM
great, now obama is naked, shoving his agenda down our throats
 
2012-10-16 09:27:27 AM

acad1228: urbangirl: acad1228: He's good at reading from a telepromter, words that others have written from him. Without a teleprompter he's like Peanut without Jeff Dunham. (I woulda said Walter but that would be Biden.)

jeff dunham? really?

Meh, it gets people to respond.


So, your opinions are worthless. Ok.
 
2012-10-16 09:38:37 AM

BeesNuts: He's speaks to us like we're adults. We hate that.

Who knew?


Huh? Obama speaks down to people. He talks like he's the adult and we are all children. Perhaps that resonates with you, but not with me. I find he has an air haughtiness to him, he looks down his nose at the crowd.

Issues aside, without his telepromter or a well rehersed speech, I don't find Obama to be a good public speaker, in fact he's downright horrible.

I think Obama will derail tonight. With the absolute mess of the last debate, he's been overcoached and there's a lot of pressure on him and I don't think Obama can handle it in a debate.
 
2012-10-16 09:38:40 AM
Maybe he doesn't have anything to say. Is that suddenly a crime?
 
2012-10-16 09:41:41 AM

Moosecakes: Wow a guy gives one bad performance and all of a sudden he's a terrible speaker.


You're only as good as your last game...
 
2012-10-16 09:41:50 AM

2 grams: Issues aside, without his telepromter or a well rehersed speech, I don't find Obama to be a good public speaker, in fact he's downright horrible.


I understand spelling means little on the internet, but when you're going on like your intelligence is being insulted, it's nice to not demonstrate a deficit of said intelligence.

2 grams: I find he has an air haughtiness to him, he looks down his nose at the crowd.


Oh, so, he's uppity? Makes sense now.
 
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