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2012-10-16 08:51:33 AM  
Doubling it twice temporarily? What the hell does that mean?
 
2012-10-16 09:03:00 AM  
Hooray for more abused workers!!!!

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2012-10-16 09:08:08 AM  

Moosecakes: Doubling it twice temporarily? What the hell does that mean?


Somewhere between threeve and eleventy bazillion if my math is correct.
 
2012-10-16 09:11:41 AM  

Moosecakes: Doubling it twice temporarily? What the hell does that mean?


probably a temp increase for black friday, and then another in december for last min/boxing day sales.
 
2012-10-16 09:24:51 AM  
Twice temporary is like double secret probation.
 
2012-10-16 09:27:07 AM  
CSB: an Amazon warehouse opened about 6 miles up the road from me. Their opening was contingent on an improvement to an interstate interchange at the same spot which was paid for by the stimulus program. Three of my in-laws, one of whom was unemployed for over four years, now work there.

They all think Obama is the debil and want him gone.
 
2012-10-16 09:35:37 AM  
Yay! Sometimes Maybe Jobs!
 
2012-10-16 09:41:09 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: CSB: an Amazon warehouse opened about 6 miles up the road from me. Their opening was contingent on an improvement to an interstate interchange at the same spot which was paid for by the stimulus program. Three of my in-laws, one of whom was unemployed for over four years, now work there.

They all think Obama is the debil and want him gone.


Well naturally. It's Obama's fault that the economy was in the toilet before he got in office in the first place. You know, with the time machine and all
 
2012-10-16 10:03:24 AM  
Virtual jobs. Hurrah.
Temporary, no-benefit, part-time, low-paid warehouse slave jobs.
This is your servant's economy.
Enjoy the bed you've made for yourself; be careful not to shiat in it as you're dying without insurance.
 
2012-10-16 10:14:28 AM  
Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.
 
2012-10-16 10:37:23 AM  

Carth: Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.


As much as I would like to support local businesses (many of them not existing anymore due to stores like Walmart and Target) I just don't get paid enough to pay extra for the same product. For example, I'm saving about 20% on diapers.... same box of diapers would cost me the same if I went to Target or Walmart and even more if i went to a small local business.
 
2012-10-16 10:41:24 AM  

ddam: Carth: Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.

As much as I would like to support local businesses (many of them not existing anymore due to stores like Walmart and Target) I just don't get paid enough to pay extra for the same product. For example, I'm saving about 20% on diapers.... same box of diapers would cost me the same more if I went to Target or Walmart and even more if i went to a small local business.



FTFM
 
2012-10-16 10:47:04 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Virtual jobs. Hurrah.
Temporary, no-benefit, part-time, low-paid warehouse slave jobs.
This is your servant's economy.
Enjoy the bed you've made for yourself; be careful not to shiat in it as you're dying without insurance.


I used to work as a recruiter for a company that provided temps to warehouses and things like that. You should have seen some of these people. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I did eventually quit because of how unethical the whole industry is, but that doesn't change the fact that most of these people weren't fit to push a mop.
 
2012-10-16 10:53:08 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: CSB: an Amazon warehouse opened about 6 miles up the road from me. Their opening was contingent on an improvement to an interstate interchange at the same spot which was paid for by the stimulus program. Three of my in-laws, one of whom was unemployed for over four years, now work there.

They all think Obama is the debil and want him gone.


Meh. You can take the trash out of the trailer, but you can't take the trailer out of the trash.
 
2012-10-16 11:02:44 AM  

Carth: Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.


Which leads to the Great Dilemma of our times: our populations continues to grow as automation reduces the number of available jobs. When there are more employable people than jobs, who is going to provide for those unlucky enough not to secure a job?
 
2012-10-16 11:02:49 AM  

Magnanimous_J: I used to work as a recruiter for a company that provided temps to warehouses and things like that. You should have seen some of these people. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I did eventually quit because of how unethical the whole industry is, but that doesn't change the fact that most of these people weren't fit to push a mop.


I worked warehouses over summers in college because it paid a lot better than fast food. Probably 2/3 of my coworkers were on probation. More than half of the people quit in the first two months. It's hard work, I woke up hurting every morning and I was young. I wouldn't want to be doing that at 55. The grocery warehouse was the best - they paid extra becuase we were working in a fridge and a freezer, but 0-40 degrees beats the hell out of 110 inside a truck trailer when you're doing manual labor.

Going through a temp agency is even worse; they eat 15-20% of your pay off the top with the promise that you'll get some of that back if you work the length of the contract - but then they just keep extending the contract a week at a time. Forever temp.

/csb
 
2012-10-16 11:19:55 AM  

you have pee hands: Going through a temp agency is even worse; they eat 15-20% of your pay off the top with the promise that you'll get some of that back if you work the length of the contract - but then they just keep extending the contract a week at a time. Forever temp.


It was an awful job. I worked as a temp recruiter for 3 months in 2009, when things really sucked. I worked at a company called AppleOne. First off, we had to watch these homemade videos from the narcissistic kajillionaire who owned the company where he would just talk about how awesome he was. Then he'd put his friends on and they would talk about how awesome he was.

Even though we had maybe 5 temp positions to fill, I would interview 4 to 6 people a day, wasting hours of their time. 90% of the time, I knew there wasn't a chance in hell I could place them. All I wanted was to talk about their previous employers so I could get the names of the managers there and call on them, trying to sell them a temp. This was in the training. We weren't recruiters, we were "information buyers." it was one of the scummiest companies I've ever been around. Also, the jobs we advertised for to get these poor shmoes in the door were completely made up. If by miracle we got someone we could place, we paid them 10 bucks and hour and billed 40. Those people were so wholly overqualified that I never understood why they couldn't find a job themselves. The whole industry is a misery engine. I ended up quitting and going back to selling cars, because it was far more honest work. Think about that.

Also, the pay sucked. I'll be the biggest scumbag in the world for enough money, but you have to pay me.
 
2012-10-16 11:26:08 AM  
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2012-10-16 11:36:33 AM  

Magnanimous_J: you have pee hands: Going through a temp agency is even worse; they eat 15-20% of your pay off the top with the promise that you'll get some of that back if you work the length of the contract - but then they just keep extending the contract a week at a time. Forever temp.

It was an awful job. I worked as a temp recruiter for 3 months in 2009, when things really sucked. I worked at a company called AppleOne. First off, we had to watch these homemade videos from the narcissistic kajillionaire who owned the company where he would just talk about how awesome he was. Then he'd put his friends on and they would talk about how awesome he was.

Even though we had maybe 5 temp positions to fill, I would interview 4 to 6 people a day, wasting hours of their time. 90% of the time, I knew there wasn't a chance in hell I could place them. All I wanted was to talk about their previous employers so I could get the names of the managers there and call on them, trying to sell them a temp. This was in the training. We weren't recruiters, we were "information buyers." it was one of the scummiest companies I've ever been around. Also, the jobs we advertised for to get these poor shmoes in the door were completely made up. If by miracle we got someone we could place, we paid them 10 bucks and hour and billed 40. Those people were so wholly overqualified that I never understood why they couldn't find a job themselves. The whole industry is a misery engine. I ended up quitting and going back to selling cars, because it was far more honest work. Think about that.

Also, the pay sucked. I'll be the biggest scumbag in the world for enough money, but you have to pay me.


There are certainly companies in the industry that are like the one you described. I've been in the business for 20 years with 5 different companies. The largest one I worked for was the biggest piece of shiat. Mistreated everyone, internal staff included, urged cutting temps wages to hit margin goals and cut out all temp benefits.

My current employer is completely different. We actively reward our "temps" with insurance, pay increases the longer you work for us, WITHOUT increasing our bill rate, and scholarships for temps and/or their family members.

But yes, there are many, many shiat companies out there, like ISS. The absolute lowest price model that Amazon embraces extends to their vendors. So ISS is probably making about a 8 to 10 percent margin and can't afford to do anything other than be a quasi-slavetrader.
 
2012-10-16 01:36:37 PM  
They are purchasing $2 billion dollars worth of new office space down around south Lake Union. I think they're pretty confident in their growth planning.
 
2012-10-16 01:45:07 PM  
mlkshk.com

Doubling twice is called quadrupling.
 
2012-10-16 01:50:34 PM  

nmemkha: Carth: Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.

Which leads to the Great Dilemma of our times: our populations continues to grow as automation reduces the number of available jobs. When there are more employable people than jobs, who is going to provide for those unlucky enough not to secure a job?


Are you familiar with the term "Luddite"?

If you think that this is something that is either an actual problem or is unique to our time, your understanding of history and economics are both faulty.

That said, somehow we were able to survive the creation of the cotton gin, the factory, the assembly line, standardized parts, the automatic loop, electricity, the internal combustion engine, and computers, then we'll somehow be able to survive the Internet.
 
2012-10-16 02:01:18 PM  

Your Zionist Leader: Vegan Meat Popsicle: CSB: an Amazon warehouse opened about 6 miles up the road from me. Their opening was contingent on an improvement to an interstate interchange at the same spot which was paid for by the stimulus program. Three of my in-laws, one of whom was unemployed for over four years, now work there.

They all think Obama is the debil and want him gone.

Well naturally. It's Obama's fault that the economy was in the toilet before he got in office in the first place. You know, with the time machine and all


How many years -- or is it decades? -- does it take before it becomes Obama's economy? Four isn't long enough? At some point even mad-dog partisans must have finally to acknowledge that he owns what's happening.
 
2012-10-16 02:06:51 PM  

Carth: Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.


There's the rub. If you take the viewpoint that higher productivity (i.e. less input per unit of output) is a good thing, then that means some of the people who were formerly "inputs" to the old process are superfluous and have to be put to work elsewhere. We could have full employment if we forbade power machinery for construction and agriculture and went back to horses and handtools, but nobody with an ounce of sense would want that.
 
2012-10-16 02:29:20 PM  

Your Zionist Leader: Well naturally. It's Obama's fault that the economy was in the toilet before he got in office in the first place. You know, with the time machine and all


Actually, that's a good point I hadn't even thought of while relating my tale. The matriarch of this chromosomal clown show lost her job in March of '08, months before Obama was even elected, so the real story is even dumber....

/ the family that herps together derps together, I guess
 
2012-10-16 07:17:52 PM  

jjorsett: Carth: Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.

There's the rub. If you take the viewpoint that higher productivity (i.e. less input per unit of output) is a good thing, then that means some of the people who were formerly "inputs" to the old process are superfluous and have to be put to work elsewhere. We could have full employment if we forbade power machinery for construction and agriculture and went back to horses and handtools, but nobody with an ounce of sense would want that.


It depends on the goal. If your goal is highest economic output for the country than Amazon hiring, if it is more productive, is better. If your goal is to keep as much money in the local community as possible supporting local companies, even if less productive, is a better way to do it.
 
2012-10-16 08:07:06 PM  

meanmutton: nmemkha: Carth: Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.

Which leads to the Great Dilemma of our times: our populations continues to grow as automation reduces the number of available jobs. When there are more employable people than jobs, who is going to provide for those unlucky enough not to secure a job?

Are you familiar with the term "Luddite"?

If you think that this is something that is either an actual problem or is unique to our time, your understanding of history and economics are both faulty.

That said, somehow we were able to survive the creation of the cotton gin, the factory, the assembly line, standardized parts, the automatic loop, electricity, the internal combustion engine, and computers, then we'll somehow be able to survive the Internet.


First, no one said anything about the Internet. Next, comparing the rise of the Industrial Revolution is disingenuous. Also, just "we survived" masks the painful truth of the suffering of people during those times of transition. Did you forget Child Labor, Assassination of Union Organizers, Hoovervilles, Jim Crow, etc. Finally, we are currently locked a "race to the bottom" like no time in recent history as labor becomes the focus of squeezing out further efficiently. Add this to a bad economy and tight credit market, and those "optimized" out of a job are in dire straits.
 
2012-10-16 09:47:54 PM  
Not worth the $9 per hour pay.
 
2012-10-17 03:21:10 AM  

There was a good article earlier this year on work conditions in these warehouses:

"Don't take anything that happens to you there personally," the woman at the local chamber of commerce says when I tell her that tomorrow I start working at Amalgamated Product Giant Shipping Worldwide Inc. She winks at me. I stare at her for a second.

"What?" I ask. "Why, is somebody going to be mean to me or something?"

She smiles. "Oh, yeah." This town somewhere west of the Mississippi is not big; everyone knows someone or is someone who's worked for Amalgamated. "But look at it from their perspective. They need you to work as fast as possible to push out as much as they can as fast as they can. So they're gonna give you goals, and then you know what? If you make those goals, they're gonna increase the goals. But they'll be yelling at you all the time. It's like the military. They have to break you down so they can turn you into what they want you to be. So they're going to tell you, 'You're not good enough, you're not good enough, you're not good enough,' to make you work harder. Don't say, 'This is the best I can do.' Say, 'I'll try,' even if you know you can't do it. Because if you say, 'This is the best I can do,' they'll let you go. They hire and fire constantly, every day. You'll see people dropping all around you. But don't take it personally and break down or start crying when they yell at you."
 
2012-10-17 01:43:35 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Virtual jobs. Hurrah.
Temporary, no-benefit, part-time, low-paid warehouse slave jobs.
This is your servant's economy.
Enjoy the bed you've made for yourself; be careful not to shiat in it as you're dying without insurance.


Most people aren't smart enough to be able to compete in the global economy.
 
2012-10-17 02:05:16 PM  

ddam: Carth: Would a better measurement be number of employees per dollar of revenue? Unless people are just spending more money the people who are shopping at amazon used to buy things other places. The places they used to shop are going to have to fire people.

As much as I would like to support local businesses (many of them not existing anymore due to stores like Walmart and Target) I just don't get paid enough to pay extra for the same product. For example, I'm saving about 20% on diapers.... same box of diapers would cost me the same if I went to Target or Walmart and even more if i went to a small local business.


Target and Walmart didn't kill those stores, their patrons did.
 
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