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(BBC)   Private car owner opposes bus rapid transit lanes because he's more important than filthy bus riders: "How does it matter if a peon reaches office five minute before time?"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 33
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2012-10-16 05:39:06 AM  
6 votes:
"Car owners are the creators of wealth. Do you realise that they get exhausted sitting in their cars due to traffic jams and they reach office completely tired? It affects their efficiency. Do you want them to perform less?"

What a douchebag.
2012-10-16 05:41:35 AM  
3 votes:
Anyone else expect this to be a story from L.A.?

It's nice to get some perspective though. For all the talk of class warfare in the U.S., it could be much worse.
2012-10-16 05:40:14 AM  
3 votes:
"Car owners are the creators of wealth. Do you realise that they get exhausted sitting in their cars due to traffic jams and they reach office completely tired? It affects their efficiency. Do you want them to perform less?" asks the main petitioner BB Sharan.

I'm glad I don't live in a backwards, God-forsaken country where people think they can get away with saying garbage like this.
2012-10-16 05:35:37 AM  
3 votes:
Should be fun to see who reads the article and understands the variables at play, and who just makes assumptions.
2012-10-16 07:51:17 AM  
2 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: jso2897: The next three weeks are going to suck on the Internet, you know.
You do know that, right?

Yea I know :/

I got in trouble for posting half naked women during the last election so I can't do that anymore.


If you haven't the moral fiber to post pictures of completely naked women, stay out of the kitchen.
Or some other mangled metaphor.
2012-10-16 07:22:38 AM  
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: 5/10 - you'll get a few


It's way too early for this sh*t but does it not bother people when no matter the story someone brings up some completely out of left field political remark?

Democrat, Republican it doesn't matter. It makes you look crazy when you make a statement like that in an unrelated thread.
2012-10-16 07:07:08 AM  
2 votes:
Neondistraction:
Anyone else expect this to be a story from L.A.?

IIRC there was a story from Toronto (?) a while back - some wannabe-rich asshole was upset that there was a bus route past her house because it "didn't fit the neighbourhood" and "everyone here drives cars anyway" and "it's noisy". The concept that anyone but her mattered at all was glaringly absent from every quote in the article. Just like this guy.
2012-10-16 06:34:13 AM  
2 votes:
In fairness, as anybody who has ever been to India would I think agree, the phrase "wealth creators" actually has meaning (as opposed to in the USA, where it is talk-show quality nonsense). In the cities, it is fair to say that far less than 1% of even working people actually do constructive work, as defined by "potentially increasing the standard of living in india as a whole." The vast majority kind of bumble along. It's also fair to say that those actual wealth creators are likely to be the ones in private cars.

The solution is simple: auction a limited number of places for people to drive cars in the bus lane and/or turn the bus lanes into toll lanes. Change the prices on the toll lanes dynamically so there is not more than some threshold of cars in it at any given time. It's a win-win-win, since corrupt indian politicians would figure out ways to ride in them free.

This is also the solution to HOV lanes in the USA.
2012-10-16 05:57:21 AM  
2 votes:

retarded: What a douchebag.


Someone should take him to NYC or Chicago and see all the bankers and such who take public transportation, including yes the bus.
2012-10-16 10:15:42 AM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Sitting in your own car, even stuck in traffic, is always preferable than mass transit.


I commute by bus nearly every day, but when I have to work late I drive in. Driving means constantly being on edge in case a wall of brake lights suddenly appears. It means at least three to five miles of literal stop and go, and it means paying about $5 in gas and $15 in parking.

My bus, on the other hand, has cushy seats and is almost always quiet. I don't have to watch the road so I can relax, drink my coffee, read books or catch up on work. The bus can use the carpool lane so I get there earlier, and I don't have to look for a parking space.

TL;DR? You are incredibly wrong, bro.
2012-10-16 09:38:24 AM  
1 votes:

SurfaceTension: SpacemanSpoof: You must not live in Atlanta. They recently converted a major HOV lane to an HOT (High-occupancy toll), which is almost exactly what you suggest. There's a toll to use the lane, which fluctuates with traffic congestion. It was almost unanimously despised from the minute it was first proposed, and the governor had to reduce the toll within a matter of weeks of its opening just to get people to use it. Sure, it improves commutes for the few who are willing to shell out, but it actually increased congestion for everyone else by taking the people who were formerly using that lane and sticking them back in regular traffic.

Same thing going on here in the Northern Virginia area. The difference is you'll need a transponder to use the lanes. The transponder has a little switch you're supposed to adjust between HOV (which means you can use the lanes for free during certain hours as long as you have 3+ in the car) and Toll. I'm betting it's going to be so damn confusing. And nobody wanted these lanes. Arlington County actually successfully sued to prevent construction within their county. That just adds to the problem, since all the Toll users have to exit at the beltway. What a mess.


I saw the headline and immediately thought of here, where public transit referendums are consistently voted down by white suburbanites.
2012-10-16 09:22:45 AM  
1 votes:

Bondith: GoldDude: hasty ambush: Given all the diseases that are still common in India that the civilized world has managed to eliminate or contain I would think mass transit in India would be a death sentence.

Sitting in your own car, even stuck in traffic, is always preferable than mass transit. It is much better than being crammed into a metal box with a bunch of people with poor hygiene and questionable mental stability.

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I used to commute in Toronto by subway.
Then I moved into a downtown condo, and walked to work. I noticed I got sick with colds and flus a lot less often.
I moved out of the downtown condo, but now drive to work... didn't want to go back to the disease tube.
The only thing wrong with public transit is the public.

Public transit: where the affluent meet the effluent (and then discreetly check their pockets). I've mostly shared the bus with commuters, but one derelict mouthed off to me once about my hair. Oh, and some drunk check fell on me in Vancouver. Two incidents in over a decade aren't too bad.

Here in Ottawa, I've seen generals and admirals take the bus. We really do underfund our military.


Other than a doctor's waiting room mass trasit has to be one of the most unhealthy places to be.

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2012-10-16 09:18:26 AM  
1 votes:

tommyl66: EVERYBODY PANIC: On a related note, northerners chide southern republicans for being poor white trash. So what gives? Do we portray Republicans as rich white assholes or as poor white trash? Does anybody really believe that Republicans do not regularly ride busses? Are busses just urban Democrat transportation devices? Please people, you may have your left and right flamewars all you want, but try just once in a while to RTFA and to resist hijacking every thread.

People make fun of poor white trash Republicans more because they are too stupid to see that they're voting against their own best interests time and time again. It's sad to see all the former stoners, slackers, motorheads, jocks, sluts, wastoids and dickheads from high school harping on Facebook about how evil Obama is, like electing Romney will magically re-energize their brother-in-law's landscaping/roofing/plowing company so they'll be raking in the big bucks once their oppressive taxes are finally removed and all those people on welfare with their free phones and Lexuses will be taken down a peg.

/Where's the Tylenol?
//Oh, right, the topic at hand
///Never been to India, but I bet it is better than Indianapolis


Very good! Sensible, well considered comments. You and I will surely get banninated for this.

I actually RTFA, thought about it a bit, recognized the problems faced by India's unfortunate historical situations, and then headed over to the comments. Fully half of the comments were good/funny, but there's always the hijackers with their pettiness. I often stroll over to the political tab and have fun watching the fireworks there, but in this and so many other cases, the political hacks just have to lob grenades into otherwise interesting conversations.

In my experience, the louder the political voices, the shallower the person. Left and right. Come election day, I vote for pizza and beer. I never waste my vote.
2012-10-16 08:34:47 AM  
1 votes:

Baron Harkonnen: It affects their efficiency.


It effects their inefficiency.
2012-10-16 08:28:21 AM  
1 votes:

naz-drala: The fact is that less than 10% people in Delhi use private cars. More than 33% travel by buses and 30% walk to work,

Lets see 10%+33%+30%=73%

I guess the other 27% have teleporters.

/probably motercycles/scooters


You forgot Poland bicycles. Lots and lots of bicycles.
2012-10-16 08:27:56 AM  
1 votes:
Why are the rich such whiny children the world over?
2012-10-16 08:18:03 AM  
1 votes:
FTA:

He says those who travel in their own cars are the decision-makers, therefore, they should get a priority over buses

I know I'm going to sound like a dick for saying this but tough shiat, this is the truth. I have to work with people in India all day. Thats where most of our programmers are. These people can't make decisions. Seriously, they're ok at specific instructions but I don't think they could make a decision about where to eat lunch on their own. Also, if you ask them to do something they'll say absolutely they can do it. They'll say they can do it even when they can't. They'll say they can even when they don't even understand what you're asking. How can I make such broad generalizations about a whole group of people? Because it's indian culture and It's farked up . Honestly, I know we pay these people peanuts but I don't see how they end up being profitable in the long run.
2012-10-16 08:00:03 AM  
1 votes:

onyxruby: Buses tie up traffic and make congestion worse instead of better. This was proven in the Twin Cities MN when the bus drivers union went on strike for about a month or so several years back. Metrotransit refused to provide the number which are public information and a local public interest group had to sue to get information released into the public domain.

Without buses clogging up traffic everyone drives faster with a smoother commute. Buses are strictly a form of social welfare and do nothing to help with congestion. I don't have time to find the link before I have to run to work, but there is enough detail here for someone else to find it.


Hey I have an anecdote too. How many more do we need before they become data?

Public transit means whatever the city wants it to mean. If the system is meant to get anyone anywhere in the city in at most an hour, then losing it will tie the roads in knots. If it's a poorly-thought-out sinkhole with nobody useful in charge then it'll do more harm than good.
2012-10-16 07:51:56 AM  
1 votes:

onyxruby: Buses are strictly a form of social welfare and do nothing to help with congestion. I don't have time to find the link before I have to run to work, but there is enough detail here for someone else to find it.


So what would you suppose the people do that rely on them to get to and from work? They're riding the bus in the first place because they can't afford a car of their own.
2012-10-16 07:48:44 AM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: Voiceofreason01: 5/10 - you'll get a few

It's way too early for this sh*t but does it not bother people when no matter the story someone brings up some completely out of left field political remark?

Democrat, Republican it doesn't matter. It makes you look crazy when you make a statement like that in an unrelated thread.


The next three weeks are going to suck on the Internet, you know.
You do know that, right?
2012-10-16 07:40:09 AM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: It's way too early for this sh*t but does it not bother people when no matter the story someone brings up some completely out of left right field political remark?

Democrat, Republican it doesn't matter. It makes you look crazy when you make a statement like that in an unrelated thread.


Fixed that for the other team, although both of them swear it was the centerfielder's ball...
2012-10-16 07:38:35 AM  
1 votes:
Given all the diseases that are still common in India that the civilized world has managed to eliminate or contain I would think mass transit in India would be a death sentence.

Sitting in your own car, even stuck in traffic, is always preferable than mass transit. It is much better than being crammed into a metal box with a bunch of people with poor hygiene and questionable mental stability.

sitelife.runnersworld.com

www.marvelous-girl.com
2012-10-16 07:36:21 AM  
1 votes:
Buses tie up traffic and make congestion worse instead of better. This was proven in the Twin Cities MN when the bus drivers union went on strike for about a month or so several years back. Metrotransit refused to provide the number which are public information and a local public interest group had to sue to get information released into the public domain.

Without buses clogging up traffic everyone drives faster with a smoother commute. Buses are strictly a form of social welfare and do nothing to help with congestion. I don't have time to find the link before I have to run to work, but there is enough detail here for someone else to find it.
2012-10-16 07:36:09 AM  
1 votes:

spasemunki: Also: how many of these so-called 'wealth creators' are actually cows being driven to their cushy jobs by Hindu chauffeurs?


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2012-10-16 07:28:02 AM  
1 votes:

zzrhardy: clowncar on fire:
I could continue but why bother, you'll continue spewing out your "what republicans think and do vomit" no matter the topic because that's what ignorant hacks do. God knows, you wouldn't want to take the energy and courage to just deal in reality.

Thats okay, you can always go back to your Fox news and not be challenged by alternate views.


Political vomit is not an alternative view. It's noise. It's intended to cause divide rather than promote understanding. Very similar to the Obamaphone lady. Trying to put a face on some sort of social ill for your own political objectives.

I'd be willing to say a vast majority of conservatives don't believe the rest of the world is just here to inconvenience them as you would have us believe. Sorry if your life sucks that much that all you can do is lash out and blame everyone else for your own failings.
2012-10-16 07:20:31 AM  
1 votes:

clowncar on fire: The reality is: being an asshole does not require a six figure salary or be connected to any particular party. India's class war is actually a caste war so religion, not economic class is the real issue here.


FTA: Car owners are the creators of wealth.

And continues: He says those who travel in their own cars are the decision-makers, therefore, they should get a priority over buses. He believes that bus users can wait because they are engaged in less important jobs.

Your thesis needs some work.
2012-10-16 07:10:18 AM  
1 votes:

shadowmaster: If they just kept the indians on the reservations we wouldn't have these problems. Or they could just open more delis. You got to New york and there is a deli on every other corner.


So what you're saying is India needs a new deli?

/ I'm here all week
// try the veal
2012-10-16 07:08:23 AM  
1 votes:
You must be "a good republican" then if you believe a republican would never sink so low as to ride public transportation. You obviously don't get out of the basement much or are just too far above it all to actually take a bus and see who's actually riding on it.

The reality is: being an asshole does not require a six figure salary or be connected to any particular party. India's class war is actually a caste war so religion, not economic class is the real issue here. Oh yeah, let's not forget a population heavy area with an overburdened infrastructure and likely a liberal bias on the part of the translater who so desperately wants to equate this issue to class warfare in the US by using a term like "wealth creator".

I could continue but why bother, you'll continue spewing out your "what republicans think and do vomit" no matter the topic because that's what ignorant hacks do. God knows, you wouldn't want to take the energy and courage to just deal in reality.
2012-10-16 06:57:09 AM  
1 votes:
he works for an NGO- more like redistributor of wealth
2012-10-16 06:55:46 AM  
1 votes:
www.topgear.com

Bloody right.....
2012-10-16 06:43:19 AM  
1 votes:
"Car owners are the creators of wealth. Do you realise that they get exhausted sitting in their cars due to traffic jams and they reach office completely tired? It affects their efficiency. Do you want them to perform less?"

I see their 'creators of wealth' are just as big assholes as ours are
2012-10-16 06:10:48 AM  
1 votes:
Indians are honest. :)
2012-10-16 05:33:21 AM  
1 votes:
Was expecting it to be Jeremy Clarkson... However he's right. Cars should have priority over buses. Buses are mobile toilets that carry criminals to their latest criminal endeavour, cars are full of normal people.
 
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