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2012-10-16 04:42:41 PM  
2 votes:

sodomizer: "Fact checker" was just another way to insert spin.

90% of the media leans left.

Liberalism is a mental disorder spread through misery.

Or, hyper-conservativism is just unpopular. Between the giant media conspiracy to lean left, and the latter where people are actively making choices about their preferences - which is more likely?

Answer: there's a reason that people don't like what the GOP has to say. It's because they're wrong. Wrong ideas don't deserve equal time as a test of democracy. The wrong ideas deserve to be expressed, but democracy doesn't mean that people must agree that they're good ideas.
2012-10-16 11:37:56 AM  
2 votes:
My favorite is that Romney refuses to present a concrete budget or tax plan with enough details to even tell if it's true or false. Then, when people try to fill in the blanks in all different ways and say that none of them work, Romney comes back with: "That's not my plan, ha ha!" "Well, this one doesn't work either." "That's not it either, ha ha!" "Well, if you do it this way, it's a huge tax cut for the wealthy and a tax increase for the middle class." "Nope, that still isn't it." "So what the hell is it? Am I getting warmer or colder?" "I'll let you know after the election."

And all the while the fact-checkers don't call Romney's "budget" a "lie," but DO call all the statements about it a lie because Romney keeps saying that's not his plan. I guess you can't "lie" if you don't say anything specific? (Hint: he has presented no real plan, but you might want to look at the actual plan promoted by the Republican leadership in the House and the actual budget penned by the guy Romney picked as his running mate. It will probably look a lot like that -- but Romney doesn't want to tell you that, because you won't like that plan very much if your income is under $5M.)
2012-10-16 09:20:04 AM  
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2012-10-16 10:17:09 AM  
1 vote:
From the WSJ last week:

New York Times columnist Charles Blow has an especially funny example of a "fact check": part of the new "moderate Mitt" offensive, Romney told the Des Moines Register on Tuesday that

"There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda."

What kind of wishy-washy, sidewinder statement is that? Do you even know what a simple, declarative statement is Mr. Romney? Did no one teach you that at your fancy boarding school?

Not only is the statement squishy, but, based on Romney's previously stated positions, it's a lie. As Planned Parenthood Action Fund pointed out:

"Let's be clear: Mitt Romney wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, end federal funding for Planned Parenthood's preventive services, end insurance coverage for birth control, and repeal health protections for women."

Even if you stipulate that the Planned Parenthood Action Fund claims about Romney's previous positions are true, they don't actually contradict Romney's statement. Reversing Roe v. Wade would be a judicial action, not a legislative one. Neither "birth control" nor "health protections" is the same as abortion (and ObamaCare supporters claim that it does not cover abortion).

Would an end to "federal funding for Planned Parenthood's preventive services" be "legislation with regards to abortion"? Only if, as Planned Parenthood has taken great pains to deny, the organization is in fact an abortion mill.

/Fact-checkers = Opinionated bloviators masquerading as journalists
2012-10-16 09:40:00 AM  
1 vote:
How many facts can a fact checker check, if a fact checker could check facts?
2012-10-16 09:38:39 AM  
1 vote:
I can really empathize with voter apathy down in the US. You guys must be completely sick & tired of this sh*t right now.
You have my sympathies.
2012-10-16 09:37:47 AM  
1 vote:
Reality is veiwed with the lense of perception and everyone perceives the world differently. Combine that with lawyers, accountants, economists and other experts/spin meisters and it seems everybody is entitled to their own facts.

To me, this race boils down to two different plans - one to build the country from the ground up, and another to build the country from the top down. To use an architecture analogy; I favor the plan that strengthens the foundation rather than gilds the spire.
2012-10-16 09:26:00 AM  
1 vote:
With all due respect, that article was a bunch of malarkey...
2012-10-16 09:23:24 AM  
1 vote:
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