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2012-10-16 10:37:23 AM
That movie had at least four different timelines
 
2012-10-16 10:44:51 AM
Old news is so exciting.

This has already been covered here
 
2012-10-16 10:45:34 AM

texdent: That movie had at least four different timelines


So it's like if Harry Turtledove went back in time to meet his future self and collaborate on a new alternative history series?
 
2012-10-16 10:53:46 AM
SPOILER ALERT

Why was he in that sugarcane field? He went there chasing his older self, but once he takes care of that and his older self disappears, his older self never came back in time and therefore he didn't have anyone to chase into that field. So...why was he there? And how did Sara still know who he was?
 
2012-10-16 10:56:21 AM
Sending someone back in time to be killed by their own (past) hand is just begging for a universe destroying paradox. They can send someone back in time, but not simply send them into the vacuum of space or the bottom of the ocean? Concrete boots anyone?

If I can't even buy into the basic premise, I'm certainly not going to spend any money to see it.
 
2012-10-16 10:58:28 AM

Lord Dimwit: SPOILER ALERT

Why was he in that sugarcane field? He went there chasing his older self, but once he takes care of that and his older self disappears, his older self never came back in time and therefore he didn't have anyone to chase into that field. So...why was he there? And how did Sara still know who he was?


If that had happened, the movie wouldn't exist and everyone who went to go see it would have been doing something else.
 
2012-10-16 11:06:06 AM

spelletrader: Sending someone back in time to be killed by their own (past) hand is just begging for a universe destroying paradox. They can send someone back in time, but not simply send them into the vacuum of space or the bottom of the ocean? Concrete boots anyone?

If I can't even buy into the basic premise, I'm certainly not going to spend any money to see it.


So you didn't see it? Good for you. I take it you gave the movie 1 out of 4 stars because the trailer and commercials weren't a movie and they didn't want to throw the whole premise into those and explain the entire story during 30 seconds.
/rant not doing anything with the movie off

It think it makes more sense to have you destroy yourself. Nothing is left to chance as the only way you can get to where you are as your former self is if you killed your older self (due to the money). Loop complete.
 
2012-10-16 11:08:05 AM
Jumping jigawats, Marty! We have to repair the timeline!
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-16 11:14:04 AM

Lord Dimwit: SPOILER ALERT

Why was he in that sugarcane field? He went there chasing his older self, but once he takes care of that and his older self disappears, his older self never came back in time and therefore he didn't have anyone to chase into that field. So...why was he there? And how did Sara still know who he was?


Yeah, time travel movies always have something like this. Looper had more than a few. In the timeline Old Joe grew up in his future self was dead, which means no one killed Sid's mom, so why did Rainmaker exist? If killing your present-day self just makes your future self vanish with no other consequences, why does Abe bother chopping limbs off Young Seth in order to capture Old Seth?
 
2012-10-16 11:20:48 AM

texdent: Lord Dimwit: SPOILER ALERT

Why was he in that sugarcane field? He went there chasing his older self, but once he takes care of that and his older self disappears, his older self never came back in time and therefore he didn't have anyone to chase into that field. So...why was he there? And how did Sara still know who he was?

If that had happened, the movie wouldn't exist and everyone who went to go see it would have been doing something else.


I think Loopers involves two timelines existing simultaneously. One in which Young Joe kills old Joe immediately and one in which Young Joe kills himself, eventually.The past and future is constantly and forever jumping between the two. That's why we see Old Joe going back 3 times.

\my unsupported theory,
\\That time travel stuff will just fry your brain.
 
2012-10-16 11:25:20 AM

thecpt: spelletrader: Sending someone back in time to be killed by their own (past) hand is just begging for a universe destroying paradox. They can send someone back in time, but not simply send them into the vacuum of space or the bottom of the ocean? Concrete boots anyone?

If I can't even buy into the basic premise, I'm certainly not going to spend any money to see it.

So you didn't see it? Good for you. I take it you gave the movie 1 out of 4 stars because the trailer and commercials weren't a movie and they didn't want to throw the whole premise into those and explain the entire story during 30 seconds.
/rant not doing anything with the movie off

It think it makes more sense to have you destroy yourself. Nothing is left to chance as the only way you can get to where you are as your former self is if you killed your older self (due to the money). Loop complete.


I see that I've destroyed your world view by having different taste in movie, my apologies.

Nothing is left to chance and yet obviously is, as shown in the trailer/commercial, or there would be no movie. Teleporting someone to a random point in space or the bottom of the ocean? Not so much.
 
2012-10-16 11:42:45 AM
As anyone here seen Timecrimes or Primer?

Heard that those 2 movies are pretty flawless in terms of a time plot hole...
 
2012-10-16 11:42:52 AM

Hoboclown: Lord Dimwit: SPOILER ALERT

Why was he in that sugarcane field? He went there chasing his older self, but once he takes care of that and his older self disappears, his older self never came back in time and therefore he didn't have anyone to chase into that field. So...why was he there? And how did Sara still know who he was?

Yeah, time travel movies always have something like this. Looper had more than a few. In the timeline Old Joe grew up in his future self was dead, which means no one killed Sid's mom, so why did Rainmaker exist? If killing your present-day self just makes your future self vanish with no other consequences, why does Abe bother chopping limbs off Young Seth in order to capture Old Seth?


Looper was definitely a great, thoughtful time travel movie. The problem with that is, if you think too much about the implications of time travel, your brain melts.
 
2012-10-16 11:47:30 AM

Tsar_Bomba1: As anyone here seen Timecrimes or Primer?

Heard that those 2 movies are pretty flawless in terms of a time plot hole...


Primer was great, I think. I've only seen it four times so I still can't really follow it (yet). =/
 
2012-10-16 11:49:07 AM
Related side note... the best time-travel story I ever read was a Heinlein story called "By his bootstraps".
It was awesome, clever and internally consistent and hella fun to read.
I recommend it highly.
 
2012-10-16 11:49:45 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: Hoboclown: Lord Dimwit: SPOILER ALERT

Why was he in that sugarcane field? He went there chasing his older self, but once he takes care of that and his older self disappears, his older self never came back in time and therefore he didn't have anyone to chase into that field. So...why was he there? And how did Sara still know who he was?

Yeah, time travel movies always have something like this. Looper had more than a few. In the timeline Old Joe grew up in his future self was dead, which means no one killed Sid's mom, so why did Rainmaker exist? If killing your present-day self just makes your future self vanish with no other consequences, why does Abe bother chopping limbs off Young Seth in order to capture Old Seth?

Looper was definitely a great, thoughtful time travel movie. The problem with that is, if you think too much about the implications of time travel, your brain melts.


Or as Bruce Willis states in the movie, 'we could be sitting here all day making diagrams with straws'
 
2012-10-16 11:51:36 AM

spelletrader: I see that I've destroyed your world view by having different taste in movie, my apologies.

Nothing is left to chance and yet obviously is, as shown in the trailer/commercial, or there would be no movie. Teleporting someone to a random point in space or the bottom of the ocean? Not so much.


Yeah, not exactly destroying anything. Its not a taste thing if you haven't even seen it. I don't say the rocketeer or whatever is overated nostalgia because I haven't seen it.

Tsar_Bomba1: As anyone here seen Timecrimes or Primer?

Heard that those 2 movies are pretty flawless in terms of a time plot hole...


Primer actually has errors but the scary thing is that they are intentional. Time Crimes is near flawess once you get past one part that really doesn't make sense, but the overall idea of the movie makes sense. Can't describe further without spoiling stuff.
 
2012-10-16 11:55:48 AM

Tsar_Bomba1: As anyone here seen Timecrimes or Primer?

Heard that those 2 movies are pretty flawless in terms of a time plot hole...


Timecrimes is great, as far as I can tell there's no problems with the time travel. The ending's a bit weird but on the whole I liked it. Primer was pretty solid, but the writer makes no effort to dumb down the science so expect a lot of techno babble (also the plot the time travel is built around is a little silly).
 
2012-10-16 12:51:57 PM

spelletrader: Sending someone back in time to be killed by their own (past) hand is just begging for a universe destroying paradox. They can send someone back in time, but not simply send them into the vacuum of space or the bottom of the ocean? Concrete boots anyone?

If I can't even buy into the basic premise, I'm certainly not going to spend any money to see it.


Too bad, you're missing a great film.

The problems with time travel in Looper are about on the same level as the Terminator films, and those managed to be great, too (well, the first two, anyway). If you could buy into Terminator's premise and enjoy the film, Looper shouldn't be a problem.
 
2012-10-16 12:56:16 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: As anyone here seen Timecrimes or Primer?

Heard that those 2 movies are pretty flawless in terms of a time plot hole...


Primer is the far superior movie, Time Crimes is a little....simple, to be honest. Yeah, it's cool time travel, but you can see most of the plot come up (if you know your time travel), and the end just makes it feel like I achieved nothing by watching it.
All in all, it's a very solid movie, plus there's euro-boobies in like the first 10 minutes. But the thinking man's movie is definitely Primer, from plot to concepts to acting.
 
2012-10-16 01:00:55 PM

nameofperson: Time Crimes is a little....simple, to be honest


I thought the best part of that movie was the development of the main character from "oh my god what is going on" to "okay I'm understanding this, let me try doing this" to "fark, I know what I have to do just lets end this"
 
2012-10-16 01:06:33 PM

thecpt: nameofperson: Time Crimes is a little....simple, to be honest

I thought the best part of that movie was the development of the main character from "oh my god what is going on" to "okay I'm understanding this, let me try doing this" to "fark, I know what I have to do just lets end this"


MASSIVE SPOILERS

But if I remember correctly, wasn't everything instigated by him basically being a stupid fark and NOT staying in the complex while the time loop ran?
If you consider all that happened, and the fact that he has farking TIME TRAVELED, I would just sit my ass down and wait. So yeah, you do have to buy into his Plot Stupidity to continue, that might have lessened my enjoyment somewhat.

/Still worth a watch
//Sticking with Primer anyway
 
2012-10-16 01:08:49 PM

Samwise Gamgee: spelletrader: Sending someone back in time to be killed by their own (past) hand is just begging for a universe destroying paradox. They can send someone back in time, but not simply send them into the vacuum of space or the bottom of the ocean? Concrete boots anyone?

If I can't even buy into the basic premise, I'm certainly not going to spend any money to see it.

Too bad, you're missing a great film.

The problems with time travel in Looper are about on the same level as the Terminator films, and those managed to be great, too (well, the first two, anyway). If you could buy into Terminator's premise and enjoy the film, Looper shouldn't be a problem.


I'm sure I'll watch it when it is available on steam/dvd, I can appreciate a good action flick.
 
2012-10-16 01:13:18 PM

nameofperson: But if I remember correctly, wasn't everything instigated by him basically being a stupid fark and NOT staying in the complex while the time loop ran?
If you consider all that happened, and the fact that he has farking TIME TRAVELED, I would just sit my ass down and wait. So yeah, you do have to buy into his Plot Stupidity to continue, that might have lessened my enjoyment somewhat.


First timeline he was informed the killer was coming and was in absolute fear (understandable). Second timeline He was shocked by what was going on (an ok excuse for some stupidity) and tried to prevent things from happening (to find out that he cause some things) and adopted playing in to the timeline. Third he still tries to change a few things and finds out he is still causing certain events then gives up to just cause the last needed event and comfort his wife. He was also in two car accidents and maybe severely concussed thus causing stupidity. You have to buy into a couple of them and on the whole his character was supposed to be a lazy, careless, curious guy. You're right saying its simple because it is straight forward, but i thought the character evolution was pretty good for a linear time travel movie.
 
2012-10-16 02:08:24 PM

thecpt: nameofperson: But if I remember correctly, wasn't everything instigated by him basically being a stupid fark and NOT staying in the complex while the time loop ran?
If you consider all that happened, and the fact that he has farking TIME TRAVELED, I would just sit my ass down and wait. So yeah, you do have to buy into his Plot Stupidity to continue, that might have lessened my enjoyment somewhat.

First timeline he was informed the killer was coming and was in absolute fear (understandable). Second timeline He was shocked by what was going on (an ok excuse for some stupidity) and tried to prevent things from happening (to find out that he cause some things) and adopted playing in to the timeline. Third he still tries to change a few things and finds out he is still causing certain events then gives up to just cause the last needed event and comfort his wife. He was also in two car accidents and maybe severely concussed thus causing stupidity. You have to buy into a couple of them and on the whole his character was supposed to be a lazy, careless, curious guy. You're right saying its simple because it is straight forward, but i thought the character evolution was pretty good for a linear time travel movie.


Yeah, I totally agree with this, the character evolution is quite nice, plus being a movie that came out of nowhere on a small budget it's quite good......but I don't know, somehow I needed a little more meat to the movie I guess. On that analogy, Primer is a mammoth-sized buffet, which is not totally good either. I'd have to say that maybe Back to the Future still shines as the most balanced, with a little 12 Monkeys and Terminator 2 in there.

/time travel thread ON
 
2012-10-16 02:10:41 PM
This thread is a repeat from tomorrow.
 
2012-10-16 02:14:03 PM

Lord Dimwit: This thread is a repeat from tomorrow.


We have to go back from that thread.
 
2012-10-16 02:37:39 PM

Hoboclown: Yeah, time travel movies always have something like this. Looper had more than a few. In the timeline Old Joe grew up in his future self was dead, which means no one killed Sid's mom, so why did Rainmaker exist? If killing your present-day self just makes your future self vanish with no other consequences, why does Abe bother chopping limbs off Young Seth in order to capture Old Seth?


Consider how unstable Sid was. Joe made a difference in his life, set him on a better path. No Young Joe at the farm = Rainmaker. And I think Seth was made to suffer, death would have been too easy.
 
2012-10-16 02:40:18 PM
Also, dancer girl and Joe are mirrors of each other. Neither care about much, just do their jobs. Dancer girl has a kid she'll probably abandon, make another Joe.

Sara left that life behind, specifically to raise Sid. She breaks the cycle, and Joe shows up to make sure it stays that way.
 
2012-10-16 02:43:42 PM
Bruce Willis is a ghost. He is already dead. That's the twist.
 
2012-10-16 04:45:42 PM

Hebalo: And I think Seth was made to suffer, death would have been too easy.


I try to avoid thinking about it too much - due to the aforementioned brain melting - but what the doctor did to Seth affected old Seth's body, but didn't change the course of events in his future life at all - ie, short a foot, fingers and a tongue, he gets sent back in time to die at the hands of young Seth and manages to sing the song and escape, etc. So are the events of the future affected by changes to the present, or not? Or is it all fate? All the timelines were always going to happen as they do in the movie, and none of the players could affect it anyway...

Doesn't that mean Joe's suicide was meaningless? We don't really know if Sid keeps his shiat under control now.

-

On an entirely different note.. The scene where old Joe kills the boy in the backyard had huge emotional impact. Not because he killed the kid, but because he knew instantly that the kid was innocent. If the boy was the Rainmaker, old Joe wouldn't be in that timeline anymore.
 
2012-10-16 04:52:35 PM
The score for the film reminds me of Skinny Puppy or Nitzer ebb.
 
2012-10-16 04:57:09 PM

costermonger: I try to avoid thinking about it too much - due to the aforementioned brain melting - but what the doctor did to Seth affected old Seth's body, but didn't change the course of events in his future life at all - ie, short a foot, fingers and a tongue, he gets sent back in time to die at the hands of young Seth and manages to sing the song and escape, etc. So are the events of the future affected by changes to the present, or not? Or is it all fate? All the timelines were always going to happen as they do in the movie, and none of the players could affect it anyway...


I thought the suicide stopped him because it was self inflicted. The chopping of someone else's body parts was caused by someone else. With the body parts, to me, since they were now sharing the same timeline losing a hand = losing a hand and doesn't effect old seth's timeline up until the simultaneous occurrence in the timeline they now share.

I sound like someone who defended Prometheus which doesn't make me happy, but as far as timeline movies are concerned my mind was content.
 
2012-10-16 05:35:38 PM
My take on the Sid thing...

Think about who it is that is reporting that the Rainmaker is a "monster". Evil gangsters. And what did his mother say? "Think of all the good he can do."

He did grow up and do some good. He cleaned HOUSE on the evil organizations. Good for him.

/fantastic movie
//quietest I've heard a movie theater when the credits rolled since Schindler's List
 
2012-10-16 07:25:52 PM

thecpt: costermonger: I try to avoid thinking about it too much - due to the aforementioned brain melting - but what the doctor did to Seth affected old Seth's body, but didn't change the course of events in his future life at all - ie, short a foot, fingers and a tongue, he gets sent back in time to die at the hands of young Seth and manages to sing the song and escape, etc. So are the events of the future affected by changes to the present, or not? Or is it all fate? All the timelines were always going to happen as they do in the movie, and none of the players could affect it anyway...

I thought the suicide stopped him because it was self inflicted. The chopping of someone else's body parts was caused by someone else. With the body parts, to me, since they were now sharing the same timeline losing a hand = losing a hand and doesn't effect old seth's timeline up until the simultaneous occurrence in the timeline they now share.

I sound like someone who defended Prometheus which doesn't make me happy, but as far as timeline movies are concerned my mind was content.


Actually, I like that idea.
 
2012-10-17 10:28:44 AM
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I loved what the cousins did between directing and scoring Brick. Bringing back JGL helps too.
 
2012-10-17 11:45:44 AM
The other problem I had with the movie: bodies are "too hard to dispose of in the future" because they're too easy to find, but a giant time-travel warehouse with huge amount of machinery is somehow so much easier to hide?
 
2012-10-17 11:57:45 AM

Lord Dimwit: The other problem I had with the movie: bodies are "too hard to dispose of in the future" because they're too easy to find, but a giant time-travel warehouse with huge amount of machinery is somehow so much easier to hide?


I had the impression that they meant that the tracking devices would alert the authorities immediately that someone had died and perhaps the location of the murder - bringing the cops to your facility / location before you could get away or dispose of the evidence.

Though if that's the case, you'd think they'd be a lot more careful when rounding up the people they're sending back to kill... or even Joe is killing people left and right five years previously... but maybe the tracking devices came about as a way to prevent time travel?
 
2012-10-17 08:27:59 PM
 
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