Grand_Moff_Joseph: Perhaps this situation could have been avoided if State Dept. internal comm. was better, such that their requests for long term help were properly routed.
Babwa Wawa: TFA: Clinton: I'm responsible for diplomats' securityWell, subby, it is true. As is the fact that the President is responsible for the State Dept. And if there are issues with the security at the Benghazi Consulate, the President will be held responsible./Chain of Command. How does it work?
Tyee: CPennypacker: Seriously, please tell me, in your warped worldview, what possible reason they could have had for making up a story like this?That is a very good question, but it is obvious that they did, think about it and speculate why they did it.Possible answers include but are not limited to.a. Obama now has a recent terrorist attack on American soil (an embassy) and he would have liked us all to believe he has Al Queda so decimated they are now ineffective. But now just weeks before the election...that hurts.b. Obama's foreign, mideast policy is now proven to be a weak, a failure and ineffective as because we have been attacked rather than a minor protest just got out of hand. Exposed to have a naive, weak, ineffective foreign policy weeks before an election could lead to a lose.c. The timing of this attack was key to the cover up. Had this happened any other time than just before the national election you probably could have expected truth out of the white house, but they screwed this lie up and it will blow up now, just what they were trying to avoid.
Whodat: yep, nothing is ever Obama's responsibility.
MeinRS6: Obama certainly knew very quickly that the entire incident in Libya was the result of a spontaneous protest to a vid on youtube, so he was briefed.And the assholes kept on lying about that for over 2 weeks.
CreamFilling: So I'm assuming shell be removed/relieved/replaced, right?
gilgigamesh: quickdraw: Only if you pay attention to the networks who need to make this seem like a close race so they can sell ad space.No, this was a genuine farkup. Probably not the attack itself, but the aftermath has been grossly mishandled. The administration got it stuck in their heads that they couldn't afford the political fallout of a terrorist attack on 9-11 in an election year, and so they tried to pass off the bizarre fiction of a protest that went south. There was no way they could keep that lie alive, and they should have known it.If they had just owned up that this was a terrorist attack we probably wouldn't still be talking about this. Its the age old adage that what kills you isn't the initial offense, its the cover-up.
cman: quickdraw: Babwa Wawa: /Chain of Command. How does it work?So... you think that the POTUS is omniscient and omnipresent? Because I just don't think Obama has those kinds of supernatural powers.I dunno the whole thing seems pretty grasping. Like claiming that it was Bush's fault Cheney shot somebody in the face.Let me put it in a different light.In May 2011, Obama approved of a mission to kill Bin Laden. He signed the order authorizing troops to enter a country we were not at war with to take out a high value target. If Obama failed this could have been a SIGNIFICANT blow to his administration. He would have had to take all the flak for its failure. Since it was a success he can take it and put it in his win column. He didnt plan the raid. He didnt conduct the raid. All he did was approve the raid. For that he deserves credit.Someone didn't do their job and an American diplomat was killed. Obama is the President of the United States. He is our figurehead. He is also responsible for ensuring the cabinet members can do their damn job. Obama shares both the glory and the defeat in instances like this.
Headso: just a little over a year ago republicans were cheering for Quaddafi and his army against ours and allied forces....
Old enough to know better: Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush IIAnd the THREE under CarterAnd the THREE under ReaganAnd the ONE each under Clinton and Bush Ishiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.Bears repeating. I guess when it happens then its a tragic mistake (especially a Republican president). When it happens to Obama? Hang the bastard.
quickdraw: Only if you pay attention to the networks who need to make this seem like a close race so they can sell ad space.
Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even in serious situations, the COs are often the last to get punished. If that wasn't the case, dozens of COs would be out of a job, with so many rapes occurring under their watches. In this case though, it's hard to blame the captain for much when the first mate was receiving incorrect orders from the navigational officers, and the provisioning people kept cutting back the resources available to the nav officer.
cman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: cman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Babwa Wawa: TFA: Clinton: I'm responsible for diplomats' securityWell, subby, it is true. As is the fact that the President is responsible for the State Dept. And if there are issues with the security at the Benghazi Consulate, the President will be held responsible./Chain of Command. How does it work?Hate to break it to you, but the POTUS is never fully informed on every little detail from State./Org charts and dispersion of job duties - how do they work?First mate beaches a frigate. Who do they hold responsible? The CaptainWho actually loses their job or suffers the practical consequences? The first mate.Be that as it may, the Captain also is shown the door; but hey, at least the Captain would still keep his pension.
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