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(CNN)   Sec. State Clinton falls on Obama's sword over the Benghazi consulate attack   (cnn.com) divider line 288
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2012-10-16 11:08:09 AM  
I_C_Weener

Is that you, Captain Hindsight?
 
2012-10-16 11:09:15 AM  
Responsibility is more than just words. If she doesn't resign, its just meaningless.

Now, who is responsible for lying to the American people about blaming the attack on a stupid You Tube video when they knew perfectly well it was a coordinated preplanned terrorist attack?
 
2012-10-16 11:10:18 AM  

I_C_Weener: My only point is Obama deserves blame for blaming a video and deflecting the truth.


Oh this talking point again...
 
2012-10-16 11:10:20 AM  

Biological Ali: I_C_Weener

Is that you, Captain Hindsight?



A drone...on site...in time to see the end of the fighting.  I'm pretty sure if the president wanted to know, hell even if he didn't want to know, he'd be shown or told that this was not a crowd.  Someone was monitoring and flying that drone. 
 
That is just one piece.  Not to mention that the State Departement never said it was a riot.  The White House did.
 
Hindsight?  Not unless you count the entire public knowing these things within days and yet the admin of Obama still spinning it different. 
 
2012-10-16 11:12:44 AM  
s3-ak.buzzfed.com
Michelle was right

www.moneyandshit.com
 
2012-10-16 11:12:45 AM  
Alot of Fark Cons are confused. A government official accepting responsibility?

Gone are the days of Rumsfeld and Alberto "I do not recall" Gonzales.
 
2012-10-16 11:12:56 AM  

I_C_Weener: Biological Ali: I_C_Weener

Is that you, Captain Hindsight?


A drone...on site...in time to see the end of the fighting.  I'm pretty sure if the president wanted to know, hell even if he didn't want to know, he'd be shown or told that this was not a crowd.  Someone was monitoring and flying that drone. 
 
That is just one piece.  Not to mention that the State Departement never said it was a riot.  The White House did.
 
Hindsight?  Not unless you count the entire public knowing these things within days and yet the admin of Obama still spinning it different.


I didn't know the US had drones that could read the minds of people at ground level. I think you may be revealing classified information here.
 
2012-10-16 11:13:44 AM  
the president has a 9/11 albatross hanging around his neck.
it don't look too good on him either.
it will cost him the election.
you heard it here first.

you may begin weeping now.
 
2012-10-16 11:14:26 AM  

LargeCanine: Responsibility is more than just words. If she doesn't resign, its just meaningless.


Why would she resign when she didn't do anything wrong?

LargeCanine: Now, who is responsible for lying to the American people about blaming the attack on a stupid You Tube video when they knew perfectly well it was a coordinated preplanned terrorist attack?


I think that's the GOP. They're the ones who have been lying to the American people, saying the administration blamed the attack on a stupid youtube video and knew perfectly well it was a coordinated preplanned terrorist attack, when they actually didn't know that "perfectly well" and are in fact still hashing out the details of what actually occurred.
 
2012-10-16 11:17:11 AM  

I_C_Weener: But I'm still baffled by the desire to link the Libya attack to the video when as more information becomes clear, no one thought that or should have thought that after 24 hours after the attack.


Or that they used the resulting riots as an attack of opportunity.
 
2012-10-16 11:17:58 AM  
Remember when playing the "blame game" was a bad thing/
 
2012-10-16 11:18:17 AM  

Biological Ali: I didn't know the US had drones that could read the minds of people at ground level. I think you may be revealing classified information here.



Kind of you to mention that unlike you, I paid attention to the testimony in the hearings last week.
 
2012-10-16 11:18:45 AM  

bikerific: Remember when playing the "blame game" was a bad thing/


I remember a lot of people saying that as I grew up, but never actually acting on it.
 
2012-10-16 11:18:46 AM  

Fart_Machine: I_C_Weener: But I'm still baffled by the desire to link the Libya attack to the video when as more information becomes clear, no one thought that or should have thought that after 24 hours after the attack.

Or that they used the resulting riots as an attack of opportunity.



So, you are saying the riots in Libya was a cover?  What riots?
 
2012-10-16 11:19:39 AM  
I'm still baffled that a fark moderator can't even read the actual thread, never mind actually acknowledge objective observable reality.
 
2012-10-16 11:19:41 AM  

I_C_Weener: Fart_Machine: I_C_Weener: But I'm still baffled by the desire to link the Libya attack to the video when as more information becomes clear, no one thought that or should have thought that after 24 hours after the attack.

Or that they used the resulting riots as an attack of opportunity.


So, you are saying the riots in Libya was a cover?  What riots?



Or maybe you say the Egypt riots were cover for Libya?  Not what the intellgience experts are saying in their testimony (though to be fair they may be linked).
 
2012-10-16 11:23:28 AM  

I_C_Weener: Biological Ali: I didn't know the US had drones that could read the minds of people at ground level. I think you may be revealing classified information here.


Kind of you to mention that unlike you, I paid attention to the testimony in the hearings last week.


Why, did somebody testify that the drone flight somehow, in and of itself, brought back enough information to determine the motivations of people fighting on the ground? I must have missed that.
 
2012-10-16 11:23:33 AM  

Jackson Herring: I'm still baffled that a fark moderator can't even read the actual thread, never mind actually acknowledge objective observable reality.


I'm still baffled that one of the lamest trolls on Fark is a moderator.
 
2012-10-16 11:24:00 AM  
What I still don't get is what advantage did Obama have to lie about the cause of a terror attack?

/Doesn't believe he did, just figured that everyone was speculating based on what happened in Egypt
 
2012-10-16 11:25:18 AM  

I_C_Weener: Fart_Machine: I_C_Weener: But I'm still baffled by the desire to link the Libya attack to the video when as more information becomes clear, no one thought that or should have thought that after 24 hours after the attack.

Or that they used the resulting riots as an attack of opportunity.


So, you are saying the riots in Libya was a cover?  What riots?


Heavily armed militants used a protest of an anti-Islam film as a cover in their deadly attack on the US Consulate, screaming "God is great!" as they scaled its outer walls and descended on the main building, a witness and a senior Libyan security official said Thursday.
 
2012-10-16 11:28:13 AM  
We value nothing more highly.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-16 11:28:51 AM  
If the president says, "Oh, we know it was a terror attack," it invites the following questions:

Who attacked us? If he declines to answer the question, it alerts the terrorists that we know who they are.

Why did they attack us? Same as above.

What are you going to do about it? Well, golly what terrorist wouldn't want us to tell them we're coming.

How do you know? Which causes us to reveal sources of intelligence.

The Libyans did not want us to tell the world they were looking for terrorists, because it would tell the terrorists that they were being hunted. This is not a hard thing to understand. Imagine if the day before the bin Laden raid, the president was asked, "Do you know where OBL is?" You really think he would say, "Sure!"

And the lie was effective. It allowed Libya to capture 50+ terrorists involved in the attack. Stop second-guessing effective tactics.
 
2012-10-16 11:29:14 AM  
So Obama is hiding behind Hillary's skirt. heh.
 
2012-10-16 11:33:35 AM  

CreamFilling: So I'm assuming shell be removed/relieved/replaced, right?


Are any generals replaced if someone dies on their watch?

You people need to get your heads examined.
 
2012-10-16 11:35:37 AM  
you can't really blame obama, since he doesn't attend the intel briefings.
how's he supposed to know about this sort of thing?
 
2012-10-16 11:39:04 AM  
I don't recall Powell or Rice resigning over the attacks that occurred on their watch.
 
2012-10-16 11:43:24 AM  

Biological Ali: I_C_Weener: Biological Ali: I didn't know the US had drones that could read the minds of people at ground level. I think you may be revealing classified information here.


Kind of you to mention that unlike you, I paid attention to the testimony in the hearings last week.

Why, did somebody testify that the drone flight somehow, in and of itself, brought back enough information to determine the motivations of people fighting on the ground? I must have missed that.



No. But it was clear that the fighting wasn't a mob gone wild.  You did miss that.
 
2012-10-16 11:44:38 AM  

Fart_Machine: Heavily armed militants used a protest of an anti-Islam film as a cover in their deadly attack on the US Consulate, screaming "God is great!" as they scaled its outer walls and descended on the main building, a witness and a senior Libyan security official said Thursday.



Is that the same as the Libyan President saying this wasn't a protest or riot, but an attack?  And as I said, is the President supposed to rely on that statement, or what the State Department knew?
 
2012-10-16 11:48:38 AM  

Fart_Machine: I don't recall Powell or Rice resigning over the attacks that occurred on their watch.


You're forgetting that 9/11 changed everything (for republican politicians), much like being dipped in the river styx changed everything (for Achilles).
 
2012-10-16 11:51:03 AM  

I_C_Weener: Fart_Machine: Heavily armed militants used a protest of an anti-Islam film as a cover in their deadly attack on the US Consulate, screaming "God is great!" as they scaled its outer walls and descended on the main building, a witness and a senior Libyan security official said Thursday.


Is that the same as the Libyan President saying this wasn't a protest or riot, but an attack?  And as I said, is the President supposed to rely on that statement, or what the State Department knew?


I see we're moving the goal posts again. So there were indeed riots and the attackers used the chaos as cover to attack the embassy.
 
2012-10-16 11:53:10 AM  

I_C_Weener: Biological Ali: I_C_Weener: Biological Ali: I didn't know the US had drones that could read the minds of people at ground level. I think you may be revealing classified information here.


Kind of you to mention that unlike you, I paid attention to the testimony in the hearings last week.

Why, did somebody testify that the drone flight somehow, in and of itself, brought back enough information to determine the motivations of people fighting on the ground? I must have missed that.


No. But it was clear that the fighting wasn't a mob gone wild.  You did miss that.


And that has what to do with what, exactly?
 
2012-10-16 12:01:17 PM  
So now in order to continue trying to blame this on Obama, you have to defend Hillary Clinton. Do proceed.
 
2012-10-16 12:03:41 PM  
How Obama should of acted:

www.oilempire.us
 
2012-10-16 12:10:09 PM  

NateGrey: How Obama should of acted:

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NateGrey: How Obama should of acted:

NateGrey: How Obama should of acted:

NateGrey: How Obama should of acted:

NateGrey: How Obama should of acted:

NateGrey: How Obama should of acted:

NateGrey: How Obama should of acted:

 

This is the visual equivalent of fingernails scraping a chalkboard.
 
2012-10-16 12:14:30 PM  

weezbo: MeinRS6: Obama certainly knew very quickly that the entire incident in Libya was the result of a spontaneous protest to a vid on youtube, so he was briefed.

And the assholes kept on lying about that for over 2 weeks.

From Obama's speech on 9/12:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

Yeah, he was really running away from classifying the attack as a terror attack.

September 18th:

"Here's what happened," Obama told David Letterman. "We had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character - an extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam, making fun of the prophet Mohammed. And so, this caused great offense in much of the Muslim world. But what also happened was extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the one, the consulate in Libya"


You honestly think that is a defense of the BIG LIE about the vid that the Obama admin has pushed for weeks? You libs are funny....in a tarded kind of way.

If this was an organized terrorist attack on 9/11, then why is the guy that made the vid in jail now? You cannot run away from the narrative that the Obama admin has been pushing front and center and now pretend that the Obama team never said all of the things that it has said. You are not entitled to your own facts.
 
2012-10-16 12:16:11 PM  

MeinRS6: then why is the guy that made the vid in jail now?


Violating the terms of his probation, but you knew that.
 
2012-10-16 12:24:06 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: cman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Babwa Wawa: TFA: Clinton: I'm responsible for diplomats' security

Well, subby, it is true. As is the fact that the President is responsible for the State Dept. And if there are issues with the security at the Benghazi Consulate, the President will be held responsible.

/Chain of Command. How does it work?

Hate to break it to you, but the POTUS is never fully informed on every little detail from State.

/Org charts and dispersion of job duties - how do they work?

First mate beaches a frigate. Who do they hold responsible? The Captain

Who actually loses their job or suffers the practical consequences? The first mate.

Be that as it may, the Captain also is shown the door; but hey, at least the Captain would still keep his pension.

Even in serious situations, the COs are often the last to get punished. If that wasn't the case, dozens of COs would be out of a job, with so many rapes occurring under their watches. In this case though, it's hard to blame the captain for much when the first mate was receiving incorrect orders from the navigational officers, and the provisioning people kept cutting back the resources available to the nav officer.


Keep reaching, you must have the longest arms on Fark by now.
 
2012-10-16 12:24:37 PM  

incendi: MeinRS6: then why is the guy that made the vid in jail now?

Violating the terms of his probation, but you knew that.


Make that "suspected of parole violation", but we all know that's not why he is actually in custody now.

If you don't know that, then you are the dumbest person on Fark.
 
2012-10-16 12:34:40 PM  

MeinRS6: Make that "suspected of parole violation", but we all know that's not why he is actually in custody now.

If you don't know that, then you are the dumbest person on Fark.


So now we're on to conspiracy theories? He probably wouldn't have been arrested if he hadn't violated the terms of his probation in such a grand way that it made the news worldwide.
 
2012-10-16 12:41:25 PM  

incendi: MeinRS6: Make that "suspected of parole violation", but we all know that's not why he is actually in custody now.

If you don't know that, then you are the dumbest person on Fark.

So now we're on to conspiracy theories? He probably wouldn't have been arrested if he hadn't violated the terms of his probation in such a grand way that it made the news worldwide.


Who said anything about conspiracy theories?

He was arrested because the Obama admin lied for weeks, claiming that the attack in Libya was a result of the vid this guy made.

There are violent felons running all over the country violating their paroles that are not in custody - and this guy is in jail for making a vid about islam. There is no conspiracy. That's just liberal lying and incompetence.
 
2012-10-16 12:45:37 PM  

MeinRS6: There are violent felons running all over the country violating their paroles that are not in custody -


And what do you think would happen to them if they did something that got them talked about at length by every single news organization in the country (and most worldwide) for several weeks?
 
2012-10-16 12:50:57 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: There are violent felons running all over the country violating their paroles that are not in custody -

And what do you think would happen to them if they did something that got them talked about at length by every single news organization in the country (and most worldwide) for several weeks?


Don't you mean "What would happen if the president started lying and blaming them for something that they had nothing to do with?"
 
2012-10-16 12:54:33 PM  

MeinRS6: Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: There are violent felons running all over the country violating their paroles that are not in custody -

And what do you think would happen to them if they did something that got them talked about at length by every single news organization in the country (and most worldwide) for several weeks?

Don't you mean "What would happen if the president started lying and blaming them for something that they had nothing to do with?"


No, I meant exactly what I said. And I noticed you dodged instead of actually answering
 
2012-10-16 01:15:06 PM  
what an actual intel failure by a POTUS might look like

theintelhub.com
 
2012-10-16 01:32:08 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: There are violent felons running all over the country violating their paroles that are not in custody -

And what do you think would happen to them if they did something that got them talked about at length by every single news organization in the country (and most worldwide) for several weeks?

Don't you mean "What would happen if the president started lying and blaming them for something that they had nothing to do with?"

No, I meant exactly what I said. And I noticed you dodged instead of actually answering


The guy was only talked about by all of the media because Obama lied about the vid's role in the killing of the ambassador. So you can't talk about the vid or the guy without talking about the lies pouring from the Obama admin.
 
2012-10-16 01:47:35 PM  

MeinRS6: The guy was only talked about by all of the media because Obama lied about the vid's role in the killing of the ambassador.


Funny, I heard about the video supposedly causing the riots well before I heard about the ambassador being killed.
 
2012-10-16 01:52:26 PM  

incendi: MeinRS6: The guy was only talked about by all of the media because Obama lied about the vid's role in the killing of the ambassador.

Funny, I heard about the video supposedly causing the riots well before I heard about the ambassador being killed.


Sweet Mohammed on a popsicle stick. You cannot be that uninformed. Then again.....
 
2012-10-16 01:53:26 PM  

MeinRS6: What would happen if the president started lying and blaming them for something that they had nothing to do with?


If history is any indication, we'd invade Iraq.
 
2012-10-16 01:54:22 PM  

MeinRS6: Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: There are violent felons running all over the country violating their paroles that are not in custody -

And what do you think would happen to them if they did something that got them talked about at length by every single news organization in the country (and most worldwide) for several weeks?

Don't you mean "What would happen if the president started lying and blaming them for something that they had nothing to do with?"

No, I meant exactly what I said. And I noticed you dodged instead of actually answering

The guy was only talked about by all of the media because Obama lied about the vid's role in the killing of the ambassador. So you can't talk about the vid or the guy without talking about the lies pouring from the Obama admin.


And again, you sidestep answering the question. you really suck at this, you know? I mean, it's not a complicated question. Maybe you're just too dumb to understand it. Or too much of a pussy to give an honest answer. Either way, I'm done with you here, troll
 
2012-10-16 01:56:56 PM  

MeinRS6: Sweet Mohammed on a popsicle stick. You cannot be that uninformed. Then again.....


I may have exaggerated the well before. It was a couple of hours between the threads.
 
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