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2012-10-16 01:56:56 PM  

MeinRS6: Sweet Mohammed on a popsicle stick. You cannot be that uninformed. Then again.....


I may have exaggerated the well before. It was a couple of hours between the threads.
 
2012-10-16 02:03:28 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: There are violent felons running all over the country violating their paroles that are not in custody -

And what do you think would happen to them if they did something that got them talked about at length by every single news organization in the country (and most worldwide) for several weeks?

Don't you mean "What would happen if the president started lying and blaming them for something that they had nothing to do with?"

No, I meant exactly what I said. And I noticed you dodged instead of actually answering

The guy was only talked about by all of the media because Obama lied about the vid's role in the killing of the ambassador. So you can't talk about the vid or the guy without talking about the lies pouring from the Obama admin.

And again, you sidestep answering the question. you really suck at this, you know? I mean, it's not a complicated question. Maybe you're just too dumb to understand it. Or too much of a pussy to give an honest answer. Either way, I'm done with you here, troll


Awww, did someone get upset when confronted with the truth. How rude of me to point out such things.

You keep worrying about the possible "parole violations" of some nobody and meanwhile totally ignore the lies pouring out of the Obama admin on this situation. I'm sure that that will work out well for you.
 
2012-10-16 02:08:44 PM  
Mein defending a video that insults Islam.

I am so..so...shocked.
 
2012-10-16 02:10:09 PM  

MeinRS6: You keep worrying about the possible "parole violations" of some nobody


Dude... you asked...

MeinRS6: then why is the guy that made the vid in jail now?

 
2012-10-16 02:11:10 PM  

MeinRS6:
The guy was only talked about by all of the media because Obama lied about the vid's role in the killing of the ambassador. So you can't talk about the vid or the guy without talking about the lies pouring from the Obama admin.


Uh no, you farking moron. it was deliberately released to the Arab world, coincidentally right around 9/11, and it caused riots all over. Just not that particular one that you're chewing the scenery about. it probably caused a riot 24 hours later somewhere else.

I can't imagine why the Obama administration might have been confused about any of this. Since you sure are.
 
2012-10-16 02:15:27 PM  

NateGrey: Mein defending a video that insults Islam.

I am so..so...shocked.


i.imgur.com


But even if I had been defending the vid, there is nothing wrong with that. Anyone interested in freedom at all should support free speech - including, but not limited to, speech that may upset muslims. I guess you don't care about freedom.
 
2012-10-16 02:19:53 PM  

cryinoutloud: MeinRS6:
The guy was only talked about by all of the media because Obama lied about the vid's role in the killing of the ambassador. So you can't talk about the vid or the guy without talking about the lies pouring from the Obama admin.

Uh no, you farking moron. it was deliberately released to the Arab world, coincidentally right around 9/11, and it caused riots all over. Just not that particular one that you're chewing the scenery about. it probably caused a riot 24 hours later somewhere else.

I can't imagine why the Obama administration might have been confused about any of this. Since you sure are.


I'm not confused about anything. And you are still trying to cover up for the OBVIOUS LIES by the Obama admin. They went on for weeks with those lies. Then we find out that they knew immediately that the killing had nothing to do with the vid.

Don't you read the news? Do you just forget the parts that you don't like?
 
2012-10-16 02:22:34 PM  

MeinRS6: They went on for weeks with those lies.


And then Republicans have been going on for weeks with this lie.
 
2012-10-16 02:53:39 PM  
Errr...except there's no lie there.

You can go look at the timeline for yourself. Look at when the murders occurred and look at when the State Dept finally started telling the truth a little.
 
2012-10-16 03:23:01 PM  

NateGrey: Mein defending a video that insults Islam.

I am so..so...shocked.


the proper thing to do would be to be-head him, correct?
bartender! shariah all around.
 
2012-10-16 03:33:20 PM  

MeinRS6: You can go look at the timeline for yourself. Look at when the murders occurred and look at when the State Dept finally started telling the truth a little.


As far as I can tell, Susan Rice's appearance was the last time anyone of significance claimed it was an entirely spontaneous, non-organized non-terrorist attack, and that was less than a week after it occurred. After that, everybody seemed to get on board with it being a terrorist attacks, although with differing ideas of just how preplanned it was.
 
2012-10-16 03:37:59 PM  
So the week following Rice's appearance on the Sunday shows, where she lied repeatedly, Jay Carney started saying that this was a planned terrorist attack on 9/11?

Try again. You've got timeline problems.
 
jvl [BareFark]
2012-10-16 03:42:34 PM  
It's true that Clinton is responsible, but so is Obama to an extent. Her acceptance of responsibility might be the right thing, but doing it shortly before the debate is insane. It just makes it look completely political.
 
2012-10-16 03:43:28 PM  

MeinRS6:
I'm not confused about anything. And you are still trying to cover up for the OBVIOUS LIES by the Obama admin. They went on for weeks with those lies. Then we find out that they knew immediately that the killing had nothing to do with the vid.
Don't you read the news? Do you just forget the parts that you don't like?


Just for you, dolt. Long post, get ready. I farking researched it

I went looking for an exact timeline of when this offensive movie hit the Arab world, and how much it triggered the riots, even if it did not cause the attack at Benghazi. There is not much information in the media about the time period between the original attack on 9/11 and about a week later, when there were riots going on all over the place, caused by this POS movie.

I found this in the Wall Street Journal, dated 9/12: Early Tuesday [9/11] evening in Cairo, the crowd of mostly male Islamists converged outside the heavily guarded U.S. mission. Some scaled the embassy's concrete walls but were met by rubber bullets fired by embassy guards, some witnesses reported. ....While protesters in Cairo said they understood American laws on free expression, they saw them as secondary to their religious practice. "Freedom of belief is more important than freedom of expression," said Ashraf Ibrahim, 34, who was at Tuesday's protest.

So while Obama was lying his ass off, according to conservatives, about the cause of the Libya attack, there was a riot going on in Egypt over the movie. On 9/11.

The article also says: The man who claimed to be the filmmaker, said he posted the trailer for his film on YouTube in early July. But it had largely escaped attention until recent days [that is, around when this article was posted--9/12] , when activists on Twitter pointed to clips that included actors in anachronistic costumes, near flimsy sets and often stumbling through lines. Egyptian clerics began widely condemning the footage.

Well, imagine that. The video really was seen and known of in the Arab world right about the time of the embassy attack. And not only that, it almost certainly wasn't a coincidence that it exploded around 9/11---it was deliberately disseminated right around 9/11. (Most of us with any brains figured that anyway.)

But when Obama or his administration says that the attack at Benghazi may have had something to do with that crap movie, they're not only lying--they're obstructing, they're floundering, they're unfit to lead. It seems like that if everyone was so sure of the cause of the embassy attack, they might have mentioned it before the next week--the same week that the administration came out and said that the attacks were planned ahead of time. ( And maybe they kept the information to themselves for other reasons than, you know, incompetence.)

But I guess no one else really knew what triggered that particular attack either--at least not until weeks later, when facts could be distorted and used as a political football. Now the entire GOP knows exactly how it all happened. And it just happens to be Obama's failure and cover-up. Huh. Big shock.

And most of the riots were, in fact, provoked by this movie.
 
2012-10-16 03:48:20 PM  

cryinoutloud: MeinRS6:
I'm not confused about anything. And you are still trying to cover up for the OBVIOUS LIES by the Obama admin. They went on for weeks with those lies. Then we find out that they knew immediately that the killing had nothing to do with the vid.
Don't you read the news? Do you just forget the parts that you don't like?

Just for you, dolt. Long post, get ready. I farking researched it

I went looking for an exact timeline of when this offensive movie hit the Arab world, and how much it triggered the riots, even if it did not cause the attack at Benghazi. There is not much information in the media about the time period between the original attack on 9/11 and about a week later, when there were riots going on all over the place, caused by this POS movie.

I found this in the Wall Street Journal, dated 9/12: Early Tuesday [9/11] evening in Cairo, the crowd of mostly male Islamists converged outside the heavily guarded U.S. mission. Some scaled the embassy's concrete walls but were met by rubber bullets fired by embassy guards, some witnesses reported. ....While protesters in Cairo said they understood American laws on free expression, they saw them as secondary to their religious practice. "Freedom of belief is more important than freedom of expression," said Ashraf Ibrahim, 34, who was at Tuesday's protest.

So while Obama was lying his ass off, according to conservatives, about the cause of the Libya attack, there was a riot going on in Egypt over the movie. On 9/11.

The article also says: The man who claimed to be the filmmaker, said he posted the trailer for his film on YouTube in early July. But it had largely escaped attention until recent days [that is, around when this article was posted--9/12] , when activists on Twitter pointed to clips that included actors in anachronistic costumes, near flimsy sets and often stumbling through lines. Egyptian clerics began widely condemning the footage.

Well, imagine that. The video really was seen and known of i ...


Your desperation and deflection are noted, and are not especially pretty.
 
2012-10-16 03:50:08 PM  

MeinRS6: So the week following Rice's appearance on the Sunday shows, where she lied repeatedly, Jay Carney started saying that this was a planned terrorist attack on 9/11?

Try again. You've got timeline problems.


You said state department, which is why I went looking for statements from the state department. But yes. Carney said it was terrorism on September 20th, within the week following Rice's Sunday circuit. September 21st, Clinton, who actually is state department, said it was terrorism.

Link
 
2012-10-16 03:53:08 PM  
Throwing away unfetchable URL http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/10/world/libya-attack-statements/index.html : 500 read timeout

...goddamnit...

Link
 
2012-10-16 04:06:41 PM  

colon_pow: NateGrey: Mein defending a video that insults Islam.

I am so..so...shocked.

the proper thing to do would be to be-head him, correct?
bartender! shariah all around.


I'm happy with sending a unilateral message that our freedom is messy, and that his statements do not reflect the beliefs or views of even a small minority of Americans.

But you assholes are busy defending him for some god awful reason. He's a shiatty person. He's in jail NOT for being a shiatty person, but for violating the law. These are two separate issues and if we can't treat them as such then frankly I'm left wondering if the Middle East's approach to US diplomacy isn't more intelligent than our approach to theirs.
 
2012-10-16 04:13:30 PM  
cryinoutloud:

Good post, but the troll is only interested in trolling and not the facts.
 
2012-10-16 04:28:21 PM  
And Nate is only interested in posting libby lies.
 
2012-10-16 04:33:54 PM  
MeinRS6: OMFG They put this guy in jail for making a movie that 0bama didn't like!
Adult: They put him in jail for a parole violation
MeinRS6: Oh yeah? Well there's lots of people violating parole every day, and they don't get jailed, it must be a CONSPIRACY
Adult: You think those others would go to jail if they suddenly got nationwide media attention focused on their parole violations?
MeinRS6: Look over here, Obama bad! CONSPIRACY!
Adult: Dude, you didn't answer the question
MeinRS6: 0bama bad, CONSPIRACY!
Adult: You still didn't answer the question. Meh, you're probably just a troll
MeinRS6: YOU MAD , BRO! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!1!

Trolling or Stupid? From a practical standpoint, no difference.
 
2012-10-16 04:38:16 PM  

MeinRS6: Your desperation and deflection are noted, and are not especially pretty.


That's called research. You should try it sometime.

But wait, there's more:

The intelligence picture assembled so far indicates that militants had been preparing an assault on the U.S. compound in Benghazi for weeks but were so disorganized that, after the battle started, they had to send fighters to retrieve heavier weapons.

U.S. intelligence officials said they think the attack was not timed to coincide with the Sept. 11, 2001, anniversary. Instead, the officials said, the assault was set in motion after protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo as part of a protest of an amateur anti-Islamic YouTube video.

Washington Post Sept. 27
 
2012-10-16 04:44:05 PM  

MeinRS6: And Nate is only interested in posting libby lies.


For whatever reason the guy laid out multiple paragraphs to refute your uninformed Republican mind.

You just responded with a one line trollish comment.

You were more interesting when you were someone else. =/
 
2012-10-16 04:49:57 PM  
I posted this in another thread, though it would be best displayed here;


8 ambassadors have died (at least that i have found on the wiki)

1950 Truman, Laurence A. Steinhardt (plane crash)
1968 LBJ, John Gordon Mein (murdered)
1973 Nixon you dolt, Cleo A. Noel, Jr. (murdered)
1974 Ford, Rodger Davies (murdered)
1976 Ford, Francis E. Meloy, Jr. (murdured)
1979 Carter, Adolph Dubs (murdered)
1988 Reagan, Arnold L. Raphel (plane crash)
2012 Obama, J. Christopher Stevens (murdered)



but the most recent one means something, more so than any other death that has ever occurred, even more that the deaths that occurred when we sent our men and women to invade a country that had nothing to do with terrorist attacks on our own soil.
 
2012-10-16 04:55:09 PM  

Isitoveryet: but the most recent one means something, more so than any other death that has ever occurred, even more that the deaths that occurred when we sent our men and women to invade a country that had nothing to do with terrorist attacks on our own soil.


jpegy.com
 
2012-10-16 04:59:59 PM  
I don't think Hillary did Obama any favor with these statements about being responsible.

He can't let her simply take the blame or he looks like a wimp. If he pushes her aside and takes the blame himself he opens himself up to questions about who authorized the "let's blame an American youtube video" for what is obviously an al-queda attack even though he supposedly "killed Osama and took out al-queda".

She pretty much just pushed all this crap onto Obama's plate and said make it go away on your own. Hillary is no one's biatch, lol.
 
2012-10-16 06:02:48 PM  

YELLOL: I don't think Hillary did Obama any favor with these statements about being responsible.

He can't let her simply take the blame or he looks like a wimp. If he pushes her aside and takes the blame himself he opens himself up to questions about who authorized the "let's blame an American youtube video" for what is obviously an al-queda attack even though he supposedly "killed Osama and took out al-queda".

She pretty much just pushed all this crap onto Obama's plate and said make it go away on your own. Hillary is no one's biatch, lol.


but she has cancles.
 
2012-10-16 06:24:37 PM  
Outside Hilleray's office...

askmissa.com

And no one is believing it.
 
2012-10-16 06:49:46 PM  

cman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Babwa Wawa: TFA: Clinton: I'm responsible for diplomats' security

Well, subby, it is true. As is the fact that the President is responsible for the State Dept. And if there are issues with the security at the Benghazi Consulate, the President will be held responsible.

/Chain of Command. How does it work?

Hate to break it to you, but the POTUS is never fully informed on every little detail from State.

/Org charts and dispersion of job duties - how do they work?

First mate beaches a frigate. Who do they hold responsible? The Captain


They sure as heck dont blame the corporation that let him drive drunk!
 
2012-10-16 06:56:43 PM  
So riots in Libya kill an American Ambassador and its President Obama's fault.
Terrorist attack on US soil that kills 4000 civilians is not President Bush's fault.

Got it!
 
2012-10-16 07:10:40 PM  

Heraclitus: So riots in Libya kill an American Ambassador and its President Obama's fault.
Terrorist attack on US soil that kills 4000 civilians is not President Bush's fault.

Got it!


and that's exactly it.
Republican uncommon sense.
 
2012-10-16 07:54:41 PM  

Heraclitus: So riots in Libya kill an American Ambassador and its President Obama's fault.
Terrorist attack on US soil that kills 4000 civilians is not President Bush's fault.

Got it!


www.learnnc.org
 
2012-10-16 11:21:28 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MeinRS6: OMFG They put this guy in jail for making a movie that 0bama didn't like!
Adult: They put him in jail for a parole violation
MeinRS6: Oh yeah? Well there's lots of people violating parole every day, and they don't get jailed, it must be a CONSPIRACY
Adult: You think those others would go to jail if they suddenly got nationwide media attention focused on their parole violations?
MeinRS6: Look over here, Obama bad! CONSPIRACY!
Adult: Dude, you didn't answer the question
MeinRS6: 0bama bad, CONSPIRACY!
Adult: You still didn't answer the question. Meh, you're probably just a troll
MeinRS6: YOU MAD , BRO! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!1!

Trolling or Stupid? From a practical standpoint, no difference.


Talk about trolling. You just completely misrepresented everything I posted and the facts as well. You are a troll and a terrible liar. Everyone can still read what I actually posted.

I never said anything about a conspiracy.
 
2012-10-16 11:22:58 PM  

NateGrey: MeinRS6: And Nate is only interested in posting libby lies.

For whatever reason the guy laid out multiple paragraphs to refute your uninformed Republican mind.


He did no such thing. He admitted most of what I said was correct and misstated several of the facts as we know them now.
 
2012-10-17 11:37:36 AM  

MeinRS6:
You honestly think that is a defense of the BIG LIE about the vid that the Obama admin has pushed for weeks? You libs are funny....in a tarded kind of way.

If this was an organized terrorist attack on 9/11, then why is the guy that made the vid in jail now? You cannot run away from the narrative that the Obama admin has been pushing front and center and now pretend that the Obama team never said all of the things that it has said. You are not entitled to your own facts.


Yes, I happen to think that posting two different occasions within the first week after the attack in which Obama described the attack as an act of terror and then stated that the killers were extremists who used the video as an excuse, at best, is more than adequate defense against someone who hasn't provided a single quote to support his assertion that there had been lies for two weeks, let alone some kind of bizarre BIG LIE.

What, precisely, is the big lie you think was being told? And what, precisely, was said by the administration that is an example of the lie? Quote, person who said it, and the date, please.

Because I'd love to see where you think the Obama administration came out and said "we jailed this guy because he made a video that caused the attack in Libya." Or is this going to be one of those things were everything is a lie so, in your mind, the administration lied to the American public, deliberately deceiving them into believing that they, the administration, thought that the Libya attack was a direct result of the video and so, having crafted this absurd deception, were nevertheless so fooled by it themselves that they ran off to jail this guy for causing the attacks they didn't believe he caused (because they were lying when they said the video did cause them) and then went on to lie about why they jailed him so that people wouldn't think they thought his video caused the attack in Libya, even though that's totally the lie they were selling to the American people. Is that how you've cobbled the events together in your mind?

The guy who made the film is in jail because he is awaiting trial for 8 counts of violating his probation
but go on crying freedom tears for a convicted felon who was stupid enough to bring himself into the public eye in a big way while operating under an alias in violation of his probation. That's totally a winning strategy.
 
2012-10-18 09:12:07 AM  

beta_plus: Bigdogdaddy: Bush lied, 4000 Americans died, let's reelect him

4 Americans died, Obama should not be reelected

It's exactly the same.

Bush attacked Iraq - he is a war criminal

Obama attacked Libya - he is a hero who should be re-elected

[sfbayview.com image 490x337]

/it's exactly the same


Tell you what moron, show me one time, just one time I called President Bush a war criminal. I'll be waiting, but guess what, you can't.

Thanks for playing.
 
2012-10-18 08:10:05 PM  
I'll just leave this here as the final word on the Obama admin's lying that I pointed out. It's not a conspiracy. It's just lying and now pretending that they never said anything about the video. Check the transcript is right. And check the context of what Obama said on 9/12.
 
2012-10-19 02:37:53 AM  

MeinRS6: I'll just leave this here as the final word on the Obama admin's lying that I pointed out. It's not a conspiracy. It's just lying and now pretending that they never said anything about the video.


Well, congratulations, you certainly kicked the asses of anyone who said nothing was ever said about the video. Who was that, again?

And all you had to do was find a cobbled together set of quotes where they mention a video in reference to violent protests. And we all know there can be no context confusion at all because nothing happened in Cairo that same day related to the video. Or in Yemen on 9/13. Or during that two week period in Sudan, India, Indonesia, Greece, and other places.

And, if you were interested in actually being correct rather than simply winning an argument I can't recall people making ("The Obama administration never even mentioned the video," said no one ever.), you would have found quotes like this, on September 16:

GREGORY: Well, let's talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there's an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of-- of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that's-- that's our best judgment now. We'll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear--we'll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.

The claim, given as an extremely preliminary one pending investigation, was that there was a protest and extremists used the protest as cover to launch their planned attack.

But let's just go ahead and pretend you're right and there's a deliberate lie/coverup effort.

Official BIG LIE the Obama administration desperately wanted the American people to believe: There was this video, right? And the video made random protestors in Libya so angry they went home and picked up some heavy weapons they happened to have lying around, like you do, you know, then they, as a disorganized rabble, overwhelmed our crack security forces and murdered four Americans because they're such savage idiots over there and random murder is kind of just what they do.

Current information we have, thanks to noble patriots who refused to believe the BIG LIE and not at all because of the ongoing investigation Rice mentioned: A determined faction of an international terrorist organization spent weeks or months meticulously planning an operation and acquiring weaponry under a veil of absolute secrecy and then, using superior firepower and overwhelming numbers, launched a surprise attack and murdered four Americans.

So, good job, Sparky, your tireless work has made it clear that the Obama administration will never succeed in its goal of looking like buffoons who can't protect our diplomatic missions from random protestors.
 
2012-10-19 03:27:23 AM  

MeinRS6: I'll just leave this here as the final word on the Obama admin's lying that I pointed out. It's not a conspiracy. It's just lying and now pretending that they never said anything about the video.


9/14, Carney:

President Morsi again today as well as yesterday has spoken out against any violence and committed himself to protecting U.S. diplomatic facilities and personnel in Egypt.

We also need to understand that this is a fairly volatile situation and it is in response not to United States policy, not to obviously the administration, not to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting. That in no way justifies any violent reaction to it, but this is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at U.S. policy. This is in response to a video that is offensive to Muslims.

Carney was talking about the wider protests (part of a response to this question: Q Jay, as you know, the unrest in the Middle East is spreading to other embassies -- U.S. embassies. The President's critics are saying this is an indictment of his handling of the Arab Spring, that this has given rise to further inflamed sentiment among Islamists. What's his response to that?), taken out of context.

9/13, Hillary Clinton. You know what? I'll give that to you as being ambiguous enough to support the idea you've been pushing:

THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT WEEK FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S AND FOR OUR COUNTRY.
00:06:30 WE HAVE SEEN THE HEAVY ASSAULT ON OUR POST IN BENGHAZI BAD TOOK LIVES OF THOSE BRAVE MEN.
00:06:40 WE HAVE SEEN RAGE AND VIOLENCE DIRECTED AT AMERICAN EMBASSIES OVER AN AWFUL INTERNET VIDEO THAT WE HAD NOTHING TO DO IT.
00:06:51 IT IS HARD FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE SENSE OF THAT BECAUSE IT IS SENSELESS.

9/18, Carney. Even in the video you linked, they show and quote Carney saying that the video caused some of the unrest in Benghazi. Since the 9/16 Susan Rice roadshow was that there were protests there about the video, that qualifies as "some of the unrest."

Anyway, the full exchange there:

Q I wanted to go back to the conflict between -- the conflicting reports I guess between the administration and Libyan officials over what happened. On Friday, you seemed to cite that the videos were definitely part of it, but I get the sense that you're backing away from that a little bit today. Is there something that you've learned since?

MR. CARNEY: No, no. I think what I am making clear and what Ambassador Rice made clear on Sunday is that reaction to the video was the precipitating factor in protests in violence across the region. And what I'm also saying is that we have -- we made that assessment based on the evidence that we have, and that includes all the evidence that we have at this time.

I am not, unlike some others, going to prejudge the outcome of an investigation and categorically assert one way or the other what the motivations are or what happened exactly until that investigation is complete. And there are a lot suppositions based on the number of weapons and other things about what really happened in Benghazi and I'd rather wait, and the President would rather wait, for that investigation to be completed.

Q So you're not ruling out that --

MR. CARNEY: Of course not. I'm not ruling out -- if more information comes to light, that will obviously be a part of the investigation and we'll make it available when appropriate. But at this time, as Ambassador Rice said and as I said, our understanding and our belief based on the information we have is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped -- that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.

So, what Carney was talking about once again: the video inspired violent protests in the region, it appeared there was a protest in Benghazi, and there was also an attack in Benghazi but they don't know what role the video had in that, if any.

9/19, Carney:

Q So in the investigations about all the skirmishes and the initial skirmish that happened in Libya, has it been concluded that this was linked to trying to show America something on 9/11, to show anti-American sentiment on 9/11? Is that --

MR. CARNEY: April, I've had a lot of questions about what we know about what precipitated the attacks in Benghazi. And I said earlier and have said on previous days that, based on the information we have now, we don't have evidence that it was premeditated or preplanned.

It is certainly the case that there are a number of bad actors and armed groups of extremists in Libya who might take advantage of a situation that was brought about initially as a response to the video in question. But this is under active investigation and we await the results of that investigation by the FBI before we can reach any firm conclusions about what precipitated the attacks.

The 9/19 quote is still about extremists taking advantage of the protests. Still only claiming the video led to protests, not the attack.

And, finally, the real last word on your American Crossroads video claiming that the Obama administration waited two weeks to call it terrorisim.

Carney, 9/20:

MR. CARNEY: It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths of American officials. So, again, that's self-evident.
 
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  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

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