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2012-10-16 09:35:47 AM

Tyee: CPennypacker: Seriously, please tell me, in your warped worldview, what possible reason they could have had for making up a story like this?

That is a very good question, but it is obvious that they did, think about it and speculate why they did it.

Possible answers include but are not limited to.
a. Obama now has a recent terrorist attack on American soil (an embassy) and he would have liked us all to believe he has Al Queda so decimated they are now ineffective. But now just weeks before the election...
that hurts.
b. Obama's foreign, mideast policy is now proven to be a weak, a failure and ineffective as because we have been attacked rather than a minor protest just got out of hand. Exposed to have a naive, weak, ineffective foreign policy weeks before an election could lead to a lose.
c. The timing of this attack was key to the cover up. Had this happened any other time than just before the national election you probably could have expected truth out of the white house, but they screwed this lie up and it will blow up now, just what they were trying to avoid.


Nonsense.

1. AQ is decimated. They used to pull off attacks that killed hundreds and thousands. This terror cell, which is more like a local gang than a terror group and is not the same as the Bin Laden A.Q., only killed 4, after careful planning and with over 50 people involved. That's shows how weak they really are. Hell, the L.A. drug gangs are more dangerous than that.

2. Libya is so afraid of Obama's pimp hand that they allowed us to park two ships off their coast, fly drones in their airspace, and have arrested over 50 people involved, and abjectly apologized for THEIR failure to protect the consulate as the host country. And Egypt has done nearly the same, after Obama's "Well, maybe you are a friend, and maybe not."

3. Timing is nothing. The real reason we don't know everything is because Libya asked us to. As I already stated, the Libyans wanted us to hide the fact that they were on the hunt for the terror cell involved, and broadcasting that we knew there was a terror cell involved would have made it more difficult for the Libyans to hunt them down. The cover story was to throw the terrorists off, make them think we were only looking for a couple of rowdy protestors. And it worked. Libya has already arrested 50+ terrorists involved in the attack. Stop second-guessing when tactics work.

I'm beginning to think you want the terrorists to win. For fark's sake, you and the Republicans are treating this piss-poor terror attack, this weak, ineffective, minor attack as if it is some huge terror win! You and the Republicans are telling the terrorists that, instead of trying to scare us by having to pull off huge mass casualty attacks, all the terrorist have to do is murder a couple of Americans and we will piss ourselves, pull down our government, and treat them like terror masterminds! You're giving as much play to an attack that killed 4 as an attack that killed 3000! Knock it off, you are doing exactly what the terrorists want.
 
2012-10-16 09:37:44 AM

TIKIMAN87: Weather he lied about the video or actually thought it was the cause, blaming the terrorist attack on something before knowing tha facts is just incompetence.


Weather? If you were capable of hearing the words spoken over the roar of your open mouth wheezing you'd already know they were very carefully phrased statements making it clear it was the best information available at the time. This was no "Iraq attacked the World Trade Center" you partisan hack, bombers aren't flying over Libya. Which is probably what pisses you of the most, the lost opportunity to have others die so you can get it up.
 
2012-10-16 09:38:46 AM
Q. What does Barry get from Hillary that Bill doesn't get?
A. Lip service
 
2012-10-16 09:42:22 AM
So since some believe that the GOP do not take responsibility for their screw ups it is perfectly fine for Obama not to take responsibility for his. Now that we have that settled....
 
2012-10-16 09:43:44 AM

neenerist: Which is probably what pisses you of the most, the lost opportunity to have others die so you can get it up.


just a little over a year ago republicans were cheering for Quaddafi and his army against ours and allied forces, now they want us to attack with the same army they were praying would fail. Flip flop Mitt is in good company with his constituency.
 
2012-10-16 09:51:05 AM
1) Is it true or not that security at the consulate was outsourced to a British firm, based upon their willingness to abide by a "weapon-free" policy insisted upon by the administration?

2) Does Congress really conduct a line-item vote on the State Departments expenses? If so, how can they justify cutting security to a bare shadow in a war zone, yet record amounts of hand-outs at home?
 
2012-10-16 09:51:19 AM

neenerist: TIKIMAN87: Weather he lied about the video or actually thought it was the cause, blaming the terrorist attack on something before knowing tha facts is just incompetence.

Weather? If you were capable of hearing the words spoken over the roar of your open mouth wheezing you'd already know they were very carefully phrased statements making it clear it was the best information available at the time. This was no "Iraq attacked the World Trade Center" you partisan hack, bombers aren't flying over Libya. Which is probably what pisses you of the most, the lost opportunity to have others die so you can get it up.


lol wut
 
2012-10-16 09:52:18 AM

Babwa Wawa: TFA: Clinton: I'm responsible for diplomats' security

Well, subby, it is true. As is the fact that the President is responsible for the State Dept. And if there are issues with the security at the Benghazi Consulate, the President will be held responsible.

/Chain of Command. How does it work?



Yeah, and if a janitor at a post office in Altoona, Alabama forgets to mop the floor, that too is Obama's fault.

religiousfreaks.com

OBAMA! WHY DIDN'T YOU MOP MY FLOOR!
 
2012-10-16 09:53:40 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."

Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush II

And the THREE under Carter

And the THREE under Reagan

And the ONE each under Clinton and Bush I

shiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.


But did any of those other presidents lie about the attack for a week for political purposes?
 
2012-10-16 09:54:54 AM
You can get a good look at your butcher...
 
2012-10-16 09:55:17 AM

TIKIMAN87: He has jumped to wrong conclusions on many occasions.

Tryvon Martin.


Was killed by a vigilante wannabe.

The right's continued insistence that TM was a thug is a constant reminder of their issues with race

Think you're the one who jumped to the wrong conclusion there not Obama.

"The police acted stupidly" after they arrested the professor in Mass.

They arrested a guy who was trying to get into his own house.

Are you trying to claim that was smart?

The army base shooting saying it was a "workplace shooting" when it was a terrorist attack

It was both.

All you do is repeat RW soundbytes like they're important or real

Protip: They're neither.
 
2012-10-16 09:57:18 AM
You can't fall on someone else's sword. The metaphor does not work like that.
 
2012-10-16 09:57:26 AM

Headso: just a little over a year ago republicans were cheering for Quaddafi and his army against ours and allied forces....


i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-16 09:59:06 AM

TIKIMAN87: lol wut


It's "whether".
 
2012-10-16 09:59:36 AM

Epoch_Zero: You can't fall on someone else's sword. The metaphor does not work like that.


Finally, thank you. This is a clear case of jumping on a grenade, not falling on a sword.
 
2012-10-16 10:00:59 AM
What can I say other than you've all convinced me. It was so much smarter for the White House not to truthfully say "we have a lot intelligence on this matter and we're investigating the attack, we can and will bring those responsible to justice". Thankfully the white house instead took this better approach; American has no real fricken idea what happened because we are so weak in the middle east, and almost the rest of the world for that matter, and have no way of receiving any sort of intelligence, we have come to believe this insignificant and unwatched video produced by someone nobody has ever heard of, has brought about the protests that led to the death of an American Ambassador and other citizens .

Then repeat this over and over and over telling everyone including the UN. Brilliant! Unless everyone realizes this is an incompetent cover up of concomitant mideast policy before the election happens. If only the ruse could have held for another six weeks.

What was the back up made up story? A lightning strike on the embassy would have been more believable and harder to disprove than this failed bull shiat.
 
2012-10-16 10:01:09 AM

weezbo: MeinRS6: Obama certainly knew very quickly that the entire incident in Libya was the result of a spontaneous protest to a vid on youtube, so he was briefed.

And the assholes kept on lying about that for over 2 weeks.

From Obama's speech on 9/12:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

Yeah, he was really running away from classifying the attack as a terror attack.

September 18th:

"Here's what happened," Obama told David Letterman. "We had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character - an extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam, making fun of the prophet Mohammed. And so, this caused great offense in much of the Muslim world. But what also happened was extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the one, the consulate in Libya"

Extremists and terrorists used it as "an excuse," not as a direct cause.

Rice characterized the attack at Benghazi soon after it happened as appearing to be a demonstration followed by an attack. As Glenn Beck's The Blaze quotes her (under, of course, an extremely misleading headline but one that was typical of all media sources, including ABC):

"We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to - or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo," Rice said. "And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons... And it then evolved from there."

They were also kind enough to include her Meet the Press interview in which she prefaces the abo ...


Why would the GOP acknowledge the truth now? They've suckered the morons in this country with easy soundbites and a smirk.

My Freshman know more about International Relations than Romney and Eddie Munster put together.
 
2012-10-16 10:06:12 AM

Tyee: concomitant


How that got there I'm not sure, but there are protests going on outside my house...
 
2012-10-16 10:06:18 AM
Well. Can't get much more fake outragey than this.
 
2012-10-16 10:07:29 AM

pdee: But did any of those other presidents lie about the attack for a week for political purposes?


Well, one used an attack to resume a war...
 
2012-10-16 10:08:52 AM

Tyee: It was so much smarter for the White House not to truthfully say "we have a lot intelligence on this matter and we're investigating the attack, we can and will bring those responsible to justice".


you want to be outraged and give Obama shiat but you don't want to sound like a total conspiracy nutter buffoon so you are down to being mad for over a month at the verbiage they used at a presser right after the attack. That's a reasonable response...
 
2012-10-16 10:12:00 AM

weezbo: From Obama's speech on 9/12:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

Yeah, he was really running away from classifying the attack as a terror attack.

September 18th:

"Here's what happened," Obama told David Letterman. "We had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character - an extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam, making fun of the prophet Mohammed. And so, this caused great offense in much of the Muslim world. But what also happened was extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the one, the consulate in Libya"

Extremists and terrorists used it as "an excuse," not as a direct cause.

Rice characterized the attack at Benghazi soon after it happened as appearing to be a demonstration followed by an attack. As Glenn Beck's The Blaze quotes her (under, of course, an extremely misleading headline but one that was typical of all media sources, including ABC):

"We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to - or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo," Rice said. "And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons... And it then evolved from there."

They were also kind enough to include her Meet the Press interview in which she prefaces the above with statements that the FBI is investigating and that her comments are not in any way intended to be the final word.

Get it? The administration, from the beginning, had been acknowledging that there were protests thro ...


So you mean the right wing has been lying through their teeth for over a month? I am utterly surprised.
 
2012-10-16 10:12:23 AM

Tyee: Thankfully the white house instead took this better approach; American has no real fricken idea what happened because we are so weak in the middle east, and almost the rest of the world for that matter, and have no way of receiving any sort of intelligence, we have come to believe this insignificant and unwatched video produced by someone nobody has ever heard of, has brought about the protests that led to the death of an American Ambassador and other citizens .


You really think that the only thing the government knows about what is going on the the Middle-East, or the whole world for that matter, is what they tell us? You don't think that maybe there is a shiat-ton of things the government is doing on our behalf that they don't tell us because to tell us will hamper military operations? You really believe that the government does not lie to us so that we can accomplish military goals which would be impossible without those lies?

Well, good luck to you. You have a disappointing life ahead of you.
 
2012-10-16 10:18:01 AM

HairyOne: Meanwhile in the Freeperverse Hillary is planning to stab Obama in the back...


I bet there's a large contingent that still thinks Obama's going to get primaried and/or kick Biden off of the ticket.
 
2012-10-16 10:20:08 AM

beta_plus: Bush attacked Iraq - he is a war criminal

Obama attacked Libya - he is a hero who should be re-elected

/it's exactly the same


A) US never put troops in Libya
B) Obama never lied about Libya (Iraq was based on a lie)
C) Scale (1:100)
D) one operation was successful (Iraq was a failure)
E) one saved lives the other cost 100's of thousands of lives (Iraq)
F) one multilateral the other was unilateral (Iraq)

Take everything done wrong in Iraq and do it right, and you have Libya.
 
2012-10-16 10:23:10 AM

gilgigamesh: CreamFilling: So I'm assuming shell be removed/relieved/replaced, right?

Since she's retiring.... yes. She's stated she is done with politics after 2013.

I didn't actually believe that, but since she is pretty much falling on her sword here maybe it is true.


I see this very differently. By taking responsibility she looks like the adult in the room(administration). It could be she is hedging her bets in case Obama looses. If O wins she will likely keep her job and no one will remember. If O looses and she runs in 2016 she can claim the white house pressured her not to reinforce the embassies for political reasons.
 
2012-10-16 10:23:56 AM
What exactly is she taking responsibility for? I thought there were still many questions to be answered, investigations to be conducted and reports to be analyzed.

Also Muhammed movie.
 
2012-10-16 10:25:35 AM

neenerist: [i48.tinypic.com image 450x328]


Y'know, you could probably post that in every single thread on the politics tab and have it be appropriate every time.
 
2012-10-16 10:28:33 AM

pdee: gilgigamesh: CreamFilling: So I'm assuming shell be removed/relieved/replaced, right?

Since she's retiring.... yes. She's stated she is done with politics after 2013.

I didn't actually believe that, but since she is pretty much falling on her sword here maybe it is true.

I see this very differently. By taking responsibility she looks like the adult in the room(administration). It could be she is hedging her bets in case Obama looses. If O wins she will likely keep her job and no one will remember. If O looses and she runs in 2016 she can claim the white house pressured her not to reinforce the embassies for political reasons.


She would run on throwing a Democratic president under the bus?

I hope nobody pays you for this analysis.
 
2012-10-16 10:28:37 AM

pdee: But did any of those other presidents lie about the attack for a week for political purposes?



Franklin Delano Roosevelt famously said, "We condemn the attacks on Pearl Harbor, and equally condemn the economic sanctions that made Imperial Japan feel the need to attack Pearl Harbor with a rag tag mob organized as if by magic from the unhappy masses in Japan's homeland."
 
2012-10-16 10:32:19 AM
President Washington, "Those people out there protesting the whiskey taxes are really just unhappy they are compared to terrorists who would drop tea in the harbor.  We need to empathize with their pain, even in these tough budgetary times.  I shall ride out at the head of the army and explain how we feel their pain."
 
2012-10-16 10:33:42 AM
Abraham Lincoln, on Fort Sumter, "Jesus people.  Chill.  If we weren't so mean to the South and their economic model, they'd be much nicer to us.  We, as Americans, should condemn any man who abuses free speech to complain about slavery as it might make the Southerners madder."
 
2012-10-16 10:34:01 AM
The president was warned of an impending threat of terrorism. He failed to act. The attack came, Americans died, and now the administration is covering up the truth.

Bush is directly responsible for 9/11, according to the GOP.
 
2012-10-16 10:35:01 AM

HotWingConspiracy: The president was warned of an impending threat of terrorism. He failed to act. The attack came, Americans died, and now the administration is covering up the truth.

Bush is directly responsible for 9/11, according to the GOP.


And links aren't working for me for some reason. I'm guessing Obama is knows or should have known that.
 
2012-10-16 10:35:20 AM
John F. Kennedy, "Cuban missile crisis?  No.  This is a time for Americans to ask themselves not what Cuba can do for us, but what Americans can do for Cuba.  What?  No I don't have Cuban cigars on my desk!"
 
2012-10-16 10:36:55 AM

beta_plus: I knew this sounded familiar:

[www.brunswick.k12.me.us image 385x573]

/FTFM


So, Hillary is going to kill convince Bill to kill Obama in his sleep, then take over the Presidency?

/I guess Biden is Banquo?
 
2012-10-16 10:37:30 AM
Lyndon B. Johnson, "The VC are just like you and me.  They hate bombs.  We hate bombs. "
 
Okay.  This one kinda works considering that ill fated war.
 
2012-10-16 10:37:45 AM

fusillade762: cman: First mate beaches a frigate. Who do they hold responsible? The Captain

But I thought we were supposed to be running government like a business? Now I'm all confused...


You misunderstood him. You blame the captain of the ship, Clinton. Not the Admiral of the fleet, Obama.
 
2012-10-16 10:38:51 AM

Cletus C.: What exactly is she taking responsibility for? I thought there were still many questions to be answered, investigations to be conducted and reports to be analyzed.

Also Muhammed movie.


She taking responsibility for the death of these people.
 
2012-10-16 10:39:14 AM

HotWingConspiracy: The president was warned of an impending threat of terrorism. He failed to act. The attack came, Americans died, and now the administration is covering up the truth.

Bush is directly responsible for 9/11, according to the GOP.


IOKIYAR
 
2012-10-16 10:41:45 AM

LarryDan43: fusillade762: cman: First mate beaches a frigate. Who do they hold responsible? The Captain

But I thought we were supposed to be running government like a business? Now I'm all confused...

You misunderstood him. You blame the captain of the ship, Clinton. Not the Admiral of the fleet, Obama.


Naval analogies kind of break down when one of the people involved is actually in the naval chain of command, there have been recent collisions, and that person hasn't been blamed for them.
 
2012-10-16 10:45:29 AM
I_C_Weener:

Remember that these rules are non-negotiable and Farkback will not embark on a protracted debate over so-called grey areas. These rules apply to link submissions AND user profiles as well. To that end, here they are:

-Don't post repetitively.
 
2012-10-16 10:48:18 AM

Tyee: American has no real fricken idea what happened because we are so weak in the middle east


This is when I stopped taking your post seriously. 

Just because we're not blowing up countries right and left DOESN'T MAKE US WEAK DIPshiat!!!
 
2012-10-16 10:52:11 AM
And the Muslims, "Ghengis isn't so bad.  He likes horses.  We like horses."
 
2012-10-16 10:54:28 AM

Mrtraveler01: This is when I stopped taking your post seriously.


That is when my tongue was firmly in my cheek. Sometimes sarcasm doesn't work well in print.
 
2012-10-16 10:56:30 AM

I_C_Weener: pdee: But did any of those other presidents lie about the attack for a week for political purposes?

Franklin Delano Roosevelt famously said, "We condemn the attacks on Pearl Harbor, and equally condemn the economic sanctions that made Imperial Japan feel the need to attack Pearl Harbor with a rag tag mob organized as if by magic from the unhappy masses in Japan's homeland."


Seriously? I mean.... seriously? You're actually going to compare the public response of a President talking about an attack by a group of extremists and terrorists on a consulate in an occupied country that killed four people with the response of a President to an attack by three hundred and fifty three military aircraft on US soil that damaged eight battleships (sinking four of them), three cruisers, three destroyers, and a minelayer, killed 2402 Americans, and wounded almost 1300 more?

Your implication that Obama's was somehow weak, or apologetic, or just not good enough is based on the fact that the Presidential response to the latter was more forceful and less diplomatic than the Presidential response to the former?

Yeah. Well done. This doesn't make you look like toughguy wingnut chickenhawk at all.
 
2012-10-16 10:56:39 AM

cman: First mate beaches a frigate. Who do they hold responsible? The Captain


Exactly. The captain of the ship.

Not the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff back in Washington.

Glad you see it my way.
 
2012-10-16 10:56:54 AM

Mrtraveler01: Just because we're not blowing up countries right and left DOESN'T MAKE US WEAK DIPshiat!!!



True enough.  And Libya is interesting in that, unlike Egypt and elsewhere, the government and people like us.  It wasn't Libya attacking the embassy like in Egypt.  It was a terror group.  So proceeding carefully there makes sense.  But I'm still baffled by the desire to link the Libya attack to the video when as more information becomes clear, no one thought that or should have thought that after 24 hours after the attack.  In fact, it seems clear that those on the ground in Libya knew immediately as, unlike Egypt, a fast strike support team was sent immediately, along with a drone that video taped the end of it (sending that to the satellite, the State Department, and ultimately we hope to the President or his advisers), and in the immediate aftermath...which showed more investigation by CNN than the State Department.
 
2012-10-16 11:00:58 AM
So, Obama deserves blame for the consolate attack in Benghazi by the same logic that Clinton deserves blame for 9/11 and Bush deserves credit for killing Osama bin Laden, right?

Never mind the fact two of the assholes front-and-center on this fiasco's witch hunt (Issa and Ryan) both voted to cut funding for embassy and consulate security, apparently can't tell the difference between a consulate and an embassy, and apparently have no idea that Tripoli and Benghazi are two entirely different cities on opposite sides of a country.
 
2012-10-16 11:04:09 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Your implication that Obama's was somehow weak, or apologetic, or just not good enough is based on the fact that the Presidential response to the latter was more forceful and less diplomatic than the Presidential response to the former?


Obama should have immediately dispatched the Enterprise and the Hornet to the Mediterranean.
 
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