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2012-10-16 08:41:32 AM  
Issa's ridiculous public hearings revealed that the consulate was a CIA black site. The State Dept.had to consult with the CIA on security arrangements, and the CIA would not have wanted a huge show of force, because it would have attracted attention. The Republicans are keeping this story in the news, because the Democrats can't use classified information to defend themselves, even though the Republicans already leaked that information through sheer incompetence.

But yeah, both sides are the same, right?
 
2012-10-16 08:44:12 AM  
How is this a failure, btw?

Yes, people were killed.

Dozens of armed men attacked a compound with significant firepower.

There is no perfect security in this world there are only hardened targets.

Show me a PDB saying "AQ terrorists determined to strike in Bengazi" or STFU.
 
2012-10-16 08:45:27 AM  

CPennypacker: 3. Move on to the next scandal.


OK.
Why did the White House make up a story about a video and send an Ambassador out to all the Sunday morning talk shows (five of them)? Why did the President go to the UN and tell that fake made up story?
We all now know that some video had nothing to do with the attack, US intelligence has known that all along, it was a terrorist planned attack! Why did the white house start that cover up? Why did the white house want the world to think it was a matter of free speech gone too far?.
 
2012-10-16 08:45:50 AM  

Felgraf: Tyee: Bendal: All you right-leaning folk, did you call on Bush to take responsibility when the Abu Ghraib tortures and beatings were made public?

Did Bush make up a story and send out an Ambassador to repeat the made up story? Did Bush go to the UN and tell the made up story?

About Iraq? Bush made up a LOT of stories about Iraq, actually....


That's the joke. I think.
 
2012-10-16 08:47:09 AM  

quatchi: shiat happens. GOP deny any problem or responsibility.


Since when has the GOP owned any failures? It's never their fault. The vanguard of investigative journalism, Katie farking Couric was responsible for making Palin look like the the dumb twat she is. Polls are skewed, except when they favor Romney. Biden delivers a beatdown? 20 YEAR AGO HE ATTENDED WEDDING, or some sh*t.

I swear, I've never seen such a large group of weeping p*ssies. Yes, you're all a bunch of sissies. You make me want to vomit.
 
2012-10-16 08:47:54 AM  

gilgigamesh: The administration got it stuck in their heads that they couldn't afford the political fallout of a terrorist attack on 9-11 in an election year, and so they tried to pass off the bizarre fiction of a protest that went south. There was no way they could keep that lie alive, and they should have known it.


You do know that this isn't actually true, right? There wasn't a "Bizarre fiction," it just turned out that Obama isn't psychic (despite what everybody seems to require from him) and they had to investigate before they could say for sure. Sure, he jumped the gun in announcing that it wasn't, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
 
2012-10-16 08:48:02 AM  

cman: Someone didn't do their job and an American diplomat was killed. Obama is the President of the United States. He is our figurehead. He is also responsible for ensuring the cabinet members can do their damn job. Obama shares both the glory and the defeat in instances like this.


Well then I assume you were calling for George W. Bush's resignation from September 2001 until the end of his term, right?
 
2012-10-16 08:48:24 AM  
Democrats are such spineless dumbasses, this issue is all manufactured outrage from fox news and the derper legion. Instead of calling them out for politicizing and cheering for the deaths of Americans and shaming them democrats play into it like the wimps they are and legitimize it as something people should be concerned about.
 
2012-10-16 08:49:45 AM  

quatchi: How is this a failure, btw?

Yes, people were killed.

Dozens of armed men attacked a compound with significant firepower.

There is no perfect security in this world there are only hardened targets.

Show me a PDB saying "AQ terrorists determined to strike in Bengazi" or STFU.


Exactly. It's something bad that happened while Obama happened to be in office. That's literally the only connection based on all the information available thus far. If Obama is somehow "responsible" for this, then you might as well be blaming him for the Aurora massacre and Giffords shooting too.
 
2012-10-16 08:52:15 AM  

Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."

Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush II

And the THREE under Carter

And the THREE under Reagan

And the ONE each under Clinton and Bush I

shiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.


None of them blamed the attacks on a video. None of them through the intelligence community under the bus when administration excuses write revealed as lies. None spent more energy deflecting blame than they did investigating.
 
2012-10-16 08:53:55 AM  

cman: Obama takes responsibility for allowing Clinton to slip. It is his job to make sure she is doing her job.


You can't be farking serious.
 
2012-10-16 08:54:18 AM  

CreamFilling: So I'm assuming shell be removed/relieved/replaced, right?


I bet thats what she wants to happen I bet she hates her job.

It's a shame Obama can't man up to it he lets Hilary take the fall.
 
2012-10-16 08:54:34 AM  

Tyee: CPennypacker: 3. Move on to the next scandal.

OK.
Why did the White House make up a story about a video and send an Ambassador out to all the Sunday morning talk shows (five of them)? Why did the President go to the UN and tell that fake made up story?
We all now know that some video had nothing to do with the attack, US intelligence has known that all along, it was a terrorist planned attack! Why did the white house start that cover up? Why did the white house want the world to think it was a matter of free speech gone too far?.


Why do you think they would make that up. Seriously, what would they have to gain? If they really knew it was a terrorist attack why would they lie, and not just get on the stage and say "This was a terrorist attack and we will find those responsible and bring them to justice?" It can't be a cover up, because there is nothing to gain from a cover up. Can't say they were avoiding the appearance of not properly securing the embassy, because it looks like that anyway. In fact it looks worse that they couldn't protect is from a bunch of protesters. At least the terrorists are somewhat organized.

Seriously, please tell me, in your warped worldview, what possible reason they could have had for making up a story like this?
 
2012-10-16 08:54:53 AM  

GentlemanJ: -Senators McCain, Graham, and Ayotte.


You want to know what really pisses me off? The 9/11 Commission to investigate the causes of the 9/11 World Trade Center bombing and gave a number of recommendations to improve security. It passed 60 to 38, with two people not voting. Let's look at the people who wanted to improve security based on the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission and those that didn't:

110th Congress - 1st Session Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 4 As Amended )
March 13, 2007, 05:11 PM
Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 4 (Improving America's Security Act of 2007 )
Measure Title: A bill to make the United States more secure by implementing unfinished recommendations of the 9/11 Commission to fight the war on terror more effectively, to improve homeland security, and for other purposes.

Vote Counts:

YEAs 60
NAYs 38
Not Voting 2

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---60

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Tester (D-MT)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---38

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Warner (R-VA)

Oh, wait, where's John McCain?


Not Voting - 2

Johnson (D-SD)
McCain (R-AZ)

So, screw you guys. Right in the ear.
 
2012-10-16 08:57:42 AM  

dickfreckle: quatchi: shiat happens. GOP deny any problem or responsibility.

Since when has the GOP owned any failures? It's never their fault. The vanguard of investigative journalism, Katie farking Couric was responsible for making Palin look like the the dumb twat she is. Polls are skewed, except when they favor Romney. Biden delivers a beatdown? 20 YEAR AGO HE ATTENDED WEDDING, or some sh*t.

I swear, I've never seen such a large group of weeping p*ssies. Yes, you're all a bunch of sissies. You make me want to vomit.


Remember this classic gem from 2004?...

QUESTION: Sir, you've shown a remarkable spirit of candor in the last couple of weeks in your conversations, speeches about Iraq. And I'm wondering if, in that spirit, I might ask you a question that you didn't seem to have an answer for the last time you were asked.
And that is: What would you say is the biggest mistake you've made during your presidency, and what have you learned from it?
BUSH: Answering Dickerson's question. [Laughter]
The last time those questions were asked, I really felt like it was an attempt for me to say it was a mistake to go into Iraq.
And it wasn't a mistake to go into Iraq. It was the right decision to make.


Good times, good times.
 
2012-10-16 08:58:08 AM  

Babwa Wawa: gilgigamesh: It is the very definition of falling on your sword.

How is taking responsibility for what happens in the organization of which you are responsible "falling on your sword"?


I don't think liberals get it. The cover-up is worse than the lapse. The administration spent 2 weeks attempting to blame a video. The heart of attacks is due to that. Clinton helped propagate that myth, but Obama dId too. Hillary might be blamed for requested security lapse, but the administration is blamed for deflecting to a video fir apparent campaign reasons.
 
2012-10-16 08:59:06 AM  
Someone didn't do their job and an American diplomat was killed. Obama is the President of the United States. He is our figurehead. He is also responsible for ensuring the cabinet members can do their damn job. Obama shares both the glory and the defeat in instances like this.

Here's the difference: in Benghazi, Obama is the figurehead. With Bin Laden, he is actually the decision-maker.

Not saying I disagree with your larger point, but the two events are not the same.
 
2012-10-16 08:59:36 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: There wasn't a "Bizarre fiction," it just turned out that Obama isn't psychic (despite what everybody seems to require from him) and they had to investigate before they could say for sure. Sure, he jumped the gun in announcing that it wasn't, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.


OH B/S!
The State Dept testified that they had a live video and audio feed during the terrorist attack and they knew all along there was no protest period.
They deflected and made up a story. They demonized, and even had an American arrested like he was to blame. Before this video lie unraveled the white house even inferred that a tenant of American values, "freedom of speech" was the real problem rather than a planned terrorist attack!
 
2012-10-16 09:00:24 AM  

MyRandomName: The cover-up is worse than the lapse.


considering it is a complete fiction created for outrage you'd hope they dreamed up something that would make derpers angry angrier.
 
2012-10-16 09:01:37 AM  

MyRandomName: Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."

Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush II

And the THREE under Carter

And the THREE under Reagan

And the ONE each under Clinton and Bush I

shiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.

None of them blamed the attacks on a video. None of them through the intelligence community under the bus when administration excuses write revealed as lies. None spent more energy deflecting blame than they did investigating.


Remember after 9/11 (yeah, that one) when we invaded Iraq? Yeah, good times. Good times.
 
2012-10-16 09:01:44 AM  

Tyee: CPennypacker: 3. Move on to the next scandal.

OK.
Why did the White House make up a story about a video and send an Ambassador out to all the Sunday morning talk shows (five of them)? Why did the President go to the UN and tell that fake made up story?
We all now know that some video had nothing to do with the attack, US intelligence has known that all along, it was a terrorist planned attack! Why did the white house start that cover up? Why did the white house want the world to think it was a matter of free speech gone too far?.


Because the Libyans wanted us to hide the fact that they were on the hunt for the terror cell involved, and broadcasting that we knew there was a terror cell involved would have made it more difficult for the Libyans to hunt them down. The cover story was to throw the terrorists off, make them think we were only looking for a couple of rowdy protestors. And it worked. Libya has already arrested 50+ terrorists involved in the attack. Stop second-guessing when tactics work. Unless you want terrorists to escape. Do you also want the government to tell you what terror cells we have under supervision and when we plan to attack them as well? Would you like to know when D-Day is? Loose lips sink ships, bub.
 
2012-10-16 09:02:36 AM  

Triumph: It's been reported that the attacks may involve or even been led by Sufyan bin Qumu who spent 5 years in Gitmo and was let out. LINK Guy was allegedly Bin Laden's personal driver. So my question is, how does a guy like that get out of Gitmo? Possible answer - Agree to double-agent? The intelligence services may be hip deep in this thing, but I doubt we'll ever know.


Faux News, folks - don't bother.
 
2012-10-16 09:03:40 AM  

TIKIMAN87: It's a shame Obama can't man up to it he lets Hilary take the fall.


The fall for what?

What did Clinton or Obama specifically do wrong in your muddled, insane opinion? 

Getting rather tired of hearing Rtards cry out for firings/impeachments all the time when they spent 8 plus years defending war criminals.

/Not as tired as I am of the Dems falling for the trick, of course.
 
2012-10-16 09:03:53 AM  

MyRandomName: None of them through the intelligence community under the bus when administration excuses write revealed as lies.


Could you type this again in English?
 
2012-10-16 09:04:04 AM  

cman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Babwa Wawa: TFA: Clinton: I'm responsible for diplomats' security

Well, subby, it is true. As is the fact that the President is responsible for the State Dept. And if there are issues with the security at the Benghazi Consulate, the President will be held responsible.

/Chain of Command. How does it work?

Hate to break it to you, but the POTUS is never fully informed on every little detail from State.

/Org charts and dispersion of job duties - how do they work?

First mate beaches a frigate. Who do they hold responsible? The Captain


Ahhh... so now you agree that Obama should get credit for Bin Laden then?
 
2012-10-16 09:06:37 AM  

MeinRS6: ...


Gah, I thought you were farking gone. Go back wherever you were tats.
 
2012-10-16 09:07:06 AM  

MyRandomName: Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."

Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush II

And the THREE under Carter

And the THREE under Reagan

And the ONE each under Clinton and Bush I

shiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.

None of them blamed the attacks on a video. None of them through the intelligence community under the bus when administration excuses write revealed as lies. None spent more energy deflecting blame than they did investigating.


I hope you know that nobody actually cares. Whatever happened to running on the economy, btw?

Seriously though. Outside of this little circle of friends we call the internet, people are more interested in that little girl who went missing on her way to school and now they are looking for the murderer.

The biggest advantage Romney has in this election is that farking Halo4 comes out on Nov. 6th. That's how little the GOP has left in its arsenal these days.
 
2012-10-16 09:09:28 AM  

RyogaM: Loose lips sink ships, bub.


And based on the Plame thing and them outing the CIA base the last people you want to tell would be republicans.
 
2012-10-16 09:09:51 AM  
Albright never took responsibility for the Kenya .. Tanzania bombings.
 
2012-10-16 09:10:56 AM  

Tyee: Fluorescent Testicle: There wasn't a "Bizarre fiction," it just turned out that Obama isn't psychic (despite what everybody seems to require from him) and they had to investigate before they could say for sure. Sure, he jumped the gun in announcing that it wasn't, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

OH B/S!
The State Dept testified that they had a live video and audio feed during the terrorist attack and they knew all along there was no protest period.
They deflected and made up a story. They demonized, and even had an American arrested like he was to blame. Before this video lie unraveled the white house even inferred that a tenant of American values, "freedom of speech" was the real problem rather than a planned terrorist attack!


"Other government agency," or "OGA," is a common euphemism in Washington for the CIA. This "other government agency," the lawmakers' questioning further revealed, was in possession of a video of the attack but wasn't releasing it because it was undergoing "an investigative process."

There is a video, but it belongs to the CIA. They're reviewing it and investigating internally. The administration cannot comment on it, so all they can say is that it's being investigated, and we'll get to the bottom of it. The Republicans are swinging away on Benghazi, because the administration can't defend itself without revealing classified information. This is yet another clear-cut case of Republicans putting party before country.
 
2012-10-16 09:12:07 AM  

Tyee: CPennypacker: 3. Move on to the next scandal.

OK.
Why did the White House make up a story about a video and send an Ambassador out to all the Sunday morning talk shows (five of them)? Why did the President go to the UN and tell that fake made up story?
We all now know that some video had nothing to do with the attack, US intelligence has known that all along, it was a terrorist planned attack! Why did the white house start that cover up? Why did the white house want the world to think it was a matter of free speech gone too far?.


citation, please.
 
2012-10-16 09:13:12 AM  

Tyee: even had an American arrested like he was to blame


You do know what he was arrested for, right?
 
2012-10-16 09:13:34 AM  

BalugaJoe: Albright never took responsibility for the Kenya .. Tanzania bombings.


I don't think she actually did those bombing so that's not a problem.
 
2012-10-16 09:13:35 AM  

quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: Babwa Wawa: /Chain of Command. How does it work?

So... you think that the POTUS is omniscient and omnipresent? Because I just don't think Obama has those kinds of supernatural powers.

I dunno the whole thing seems pretty grasping. Like claiming that it was Bush's fault Cheney shot somebody in the face.

Let me put it in a different light.

In May 2011, Obama approved of a mission to kill Bin Laden. He signed the order authorizing troops to enter a country we were not at war with to take out a high value target. If Obama failed this could have been a SIGNIFICANT blow to his administration. He would have had to take all the flak for its failure. Since it was a success he can take it and put it in his win column. He didnt plan the raid. He didnt conduct the raid. All he did was approve the raid. For that he deserves credit.

Someone didn't do their job and an American diplomat was killed. Obama is the President of the United States. He is our figurehead. He is also responsible for ensuring the cabinet members can do their damn job. Obama shares both the glory and the defeat in instances like this.

Well that seems like a very simplistic way of looking at it. Obama cant be all things to all people and he cant be everywhere at once. He did need to oversee the assassination of bin laden directly. And lets face it - it all could have gone wrong and then he would have had to take responsibility for that.

But you cant expect POTUS to personally attend to every detail. Micromanaging is not an effective strategy. And there is only so much he can do. If the GOPpers in Congress refuse to cut loose of the funds to increase security then POTUS can't just override that. You can't blame POTUS for budgetary decisions that congress made unless they voted they way he wanted them to.


What the fark are you talking about? Security funds are up 80% since 2009. Nobody who testified before congress said lack of funds played a role. Your talking point is just that. First a movie is blamed bow the attempt is to say lack of funds when at near historic funding rates?
 
2012-10-16 09:14:21 AM  

Headso: Democrats are such spineless dumbasses, this issue is all manufactured outrage from fox news and the derper legion. Instead of calling them out for politicizing and cheering for the deaths of Americans and shaming them democrats play into it like the wimps they are and legitimize it as something people should be concerned about.


See my previous post. Nobody cares. And the administration clearly knows that Benghazi isn't going to be a central issue in this election. There is no clear choice related to the incident, and that choice has been both campaigns' narratives for a while now (which is why Lehrer tried so hard for them to make that choice clear by asking for contrast).

So, options for the Obama Admin:
1. Say absolutely nothing. Let the GOP carry the narrative. It might get traction in the press, but probably with little impact.
2. Do as you say and challenge them on everything. Hand a narrative of irresponsibility to the "party of personal responsibility." THIS gets traction because it offers a "clear choice". 'the Obama admin refuses to take personal responsibility for its failures.' vs. 'A republican offers decisive leadership in a time when it's most critical. Vote for Mitt. Vote for integrity.'

or my favorite

3. Don't worry about the election. Allow an investigation. Take responsibility as an organization by attempt to minimize the personal impacts it has on individual members of the organization. Be sincere, but unapologetic. Don't. Politicize. This. You rob the GOP of *any* narrative and squash the story while still managing to do right by the victims of your possible negligence.
 
2012-10-16 09:14:45 AM  

CPennypacker: Seriously, please tell me, in your warped worldview, what possible reason they could have had for making up a story like this?


That is a very good question, but it is obvious that they did, think about it and speculate why they did it.

Possible answers include but are not limited to.
a. Obama now has a recent terrorist attack on American soil (an embassy) and he would have liked us all to believe he has Al Queda so decimated they are now ineffective. But now just weeks before the election...
that hurts.
b. Obama's foreign, mideast policy is now proven to be a weak, a failure and ineffective as because we have been attacked rather than a minor protest just got out of hand. Exposed to have a naive, weak, ineffective foreign policy weeks before an election could lead to a lose.
c. The timing of this attack was key to the cover up. Had this happened any other time than just before the national election you probably could have expected truth out of the white house, but they screwed this lie up and it will blow up now, just what they were trying to avoid.
 
2012-10-16 09:15:09 AM  
I knew this sounded familiar:
 
2012-10-16 09:15:42 AM  
Bush lied, 4000 Americans died, let's reelect him

4 Americans died, Obama should not be reelected

It's exactly the same.
 
2012-10-16 09:16:27 AM  
I knew this sounded familiar:

www.brunswick.k12.me.us

/FTFM
 
2012-10-16 09:18:42 AM  

Tyee: CPennypacker: Seriously, please tell me, in your warped worldview, what possible reason they could have had for making up a story like this?

That is a very good question, but it is obvious that they did, think about it and speculate why they did it.

Possible answers include but are not limited to.
a. Obama now has a recent terrorist attack on American soil (an embassy) and he would have liked us all to believe he has Al Queda so decimated they are now ineffective. But now just weeks before the election...
that hurts.
b. Obama's foreign, mideast policy is now proven to be a weak, a failure and ineffective as because we have been attacked rather than a minor protest just got out of hand. Exposed to have a naive, weak, ineffective foreign policy weeks before an election could lead to a lose.
c. The timing of this attack was key to the cover up. Had this happened any other time than just before the national election you probably could have expected truth out of the white house, but they screwed this lie up and it will blow up now, just what they were trying to avoid.


a. Again, how is this worse than not being able to handle a protest that got out of hand
b. Weak and ineffective even though he is basically, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist leader assassin compared to his predecessors
c. Again, its a screw up either wya, and probably worse if it was a protest

Stop trying to make scandals where there are none. Solyndra, Fast and Furious, and now this. Give it up and go back to the racist dog whistles, they work better.
 
2012-10-16 09:21:29 AM  

BalugaJoe: Albright never took responsibility for the Kenya .. Tanzania bombings.


And you know why?

The Republicans in Congress did not give a shiat about those attacks. At all. There's an interview with John McCain in Mother Jones magazine about one month after the bombings where he talks about the Clinton administrations response to the attack, which was to shoot missiles into terror camps in Afghanistan where OBL was supposed to be. Basically, he said, Osama? Who's that? No big deal. Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/8b6cusm

Just read it for yourself and understand what Clinton was dealing with in the late 1990s. No one took Osama seriously, at all. No one called for what should have been called for, an all out, balls to the wall, response to A.Q. That's why no one called for Albright's head. No one gave a damn about terror back then. It was all political.

Plus, dead Africans? Who gives a shiat. A little racism involved as well.
 
2012-10-16 09:23:15 AM  
c. The timing of this attack was key to the cover up. Had this happened any other time than just before the national election you probably could have expected truth out of the white house the political opposition


FTFY
 
2012-10-16 09:24:09 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Bush lied, 4000 Americans died, let's reelect him

4 Americans died, Obama should not be reelected

It's exactly the same.


Bush attacked Iraq - he is a war criminal

Obama attacked Libya - he is a hero who should be re-elected

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/it's exactly the same
 
2012-10-16 09:26:01 AM  
So rather than the White House truthfully saying "we have a lot intelligence on this matter and we're investigating the attack, we can and will bring those responsible to justice". Instead they decided a better approach would be; American freedom of speech has gotten out of hand and this insignificant and unwatched video produced by someone nobody has ever heard of brought about the death of an American Ambassador and other citizens.

Is this second scenario what you want me/us to believe?
 
2012-10-16 09:27:35 AM  

quatchi: TIKIMAN87: It's a shame Obama can't man up to it he lets Hilary take the fall.

The fall for what?

What did Clinton or Obama specifically do wrong in your muddled, insane opinion? 

Getting rather tired of hearing Rtards cry out for firings/impeachments all the time when they spent 8 plus years defending war criminals.

/Not as tired as I am of the Dems falling for the trick, of course.


Obama claimed several times and even at the UN it was the video that caused 4 deaths. It had nothing to do with the video.

Weather he lied about the video or actually thought it was the cause, blaming the terrorist attack on something before knowing tha facts is just incompetence.

He has jumped to wrong conclusions on many occasions.

Tryvon Martin
"The police acted stupidly" after they arrested the professor in Mass.
The army base shooting saying it was a "workplace shooting" when it was a terrorist attack
 
2012-10-16 09:27:47 AM  

Babwa Wawa: /Chain of Command. How does it work?


It was well phrased as a question, because you obviously have no idea.
 
2012-10-16 09:30:13 AM  
Yes it is Hillary's fault. It has been since day 1 and the President has acted to protect his senior officials up to this point. Handled poorly from top to bottom.
 
2012-10-16 09:30:17 AM  

BeesNuts: or my favorite

3. Don't worry about the election. Allow an investigation. Take responsibility as an organization by attempt to minimize the personal impacts it has on individual members of the organization. Be sincere, but unapologetic. Don't. Politicize. This. You rob the GOP of *any* narrative and squash the story while still managing to do right by the victims of your possible negligence.


that sounds like a smart and logical response to this issue to you and me but we both live in a world where extremist rhetoric and unanswered hyperbole has us on a constant march to the right. Taking the high road don't work.
 
2012-10-16 09:31:13 AM  

CPennypacker: Give it up and go back to the racist


You know nothing about me but call me racist. Last grasp of failure.

~good luck to you~
 
2012-10-16 09:35:09 AM  

Tyee: You know nothing about me


No, we know you're an idiot who thinks arresting a person for a clear parole violation is the same thing as suppressing free speech.
 
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