If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(CNN)   Sec. State Clinton falls on Obama's sword over the Benghazi consulate attack   (cnn.com) divider line 289
    More: Obvious, Benghazi, diplomats, Hillary Rodham Clinton  
•       •       •

1923 clicks; posted to Politics » on 16 Oct 2012 at 4:56 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



289 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-10-16 05:13:53 AM
Well, good on her. I mean, at least Eric Holder wasn't in charge of the State Department or our people would have been killed by guns that he sold them. At least Obama has that going for him.
 
2012-10-16 05:19:37 AM

WaffleStomper: Well, good on her. I mean, at least Eric Holder wasn't in charge of the State Department or our people would have been killed by guns that he sold them. At least Obama has that going for him.


Yeah. He had nothing to do with handing Libya to the Taliban.
 
2012-10-16 05:22:50 AM
It is appropriate for Hilary to feel like she's the one that farked this up. It's not appropriate for Obama to feel like he farked it up, because he has Hilary. Hilary Clinton, who wanted to be president, was supposed to be handling this shiat and something she didn't know about slipped past her. I don't see it really as her fault, either, but more hers than Obama's, i guess, on job duties.
 
2012-10-16 05:34:36 AM

CreamFilling: So I'm assuming shell be removed/relieved/replaced, right?


I'm not going to defend Mrs. Clinton... if it turns out she was negligent in her duties she should be held responsible. It's just funny to see those who cheered the invasion of Iraq clamoring for someone to be held responsible for a foreign policy screw up. Meanwhile Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, and Rumsfeld are still free citizens. How come your "hold people responsible for their actions" policy - which I support, by the way - doesn't apply to Republicans?
 
2012-10-16 05:37:57 AM

Somacandra: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Perhaps this situation could have been avoided if State Dept. internal comm. was better, such that their requests for long term help were properly routed.

It also might have helped if the Benghazi post had actually requisitioned for more security. The recent hearings have made it clear that all the requests from Libya were for Tripoli, on the other side of the country,


Benghazi, Tripoli...same country, right?

/LA, New York...same country, right?
 
2012-10-16 05:38:55 AM
It's called taking responsibility, Subbo.
 
2012-10-16 05:50:40 AM
You know who else fell on the President's sword?

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-10-16 05:53:29 AM
This is what's known as the "Janet Reno move". Get someone killed. Take "full responsibility". Nothing.
 
2012-10-16 06:02:08 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."

Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush II

And the THREE under Carter

And the THREE under Reagan

And the ONE each under Clinton and Bush I

shiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.



Bears repeating. I guess when it happens then its a tragic mistake (especially a Republican president). When it happens to Obama? Hang the bastard.
 
2012-10-16 06:18:06 AM

Old enough to know better: Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."

Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush II

And the THREE under Carter

And the THREE under Reagan

And the ONE each under Clinton and Bush I

shiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.

Bears repeating. I guess when it happens then its a tragic mistake (especially a Republican president). When it happens to Obama? Hang the bastard.


The fact that the GOP don't actually give a flying fark about the death of Ambassador Stevens or any of the others was made manifest in one smirky "Nailed it" moment with Romney.

Their concern on display here is duly noted.
 
2012-10-16 06:25:41 AM

spamdog: You know who else fell on the President's sword?

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x320]


I came looking for the mental image I did not need.

/Leaving... somewhat nauseous,
 
2012-10-16 06:31:56 AM
Obama is responsible when the coffee maker at the social security office in Cheyenne breaks down for a week. WHER COFFEE 0BAMA WHE
 
2012-10-16 06:41:14 AM

indylaw: Obama is responsible when the coffee maker at the social security office in Cheyenne breaks down for a week. WHER COFFEE 0BAMA WHE


Don't be silly. Bootstrappy Red States don't have Social Security offices because they don't need the government teat to get by, and even if they did have a Social Security office it wouldn't give out free coffee.
 
2012-10-16 06:43:03 AM

MeinRS6: Obama certainly knew very quickly that the entire incident in Libya was the result of a spontaneous protest to a vid on youtube, so he was briefed.

And the assholes kept on lying about that for over 2 weeks.


From Obama's speech on 9/12:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

Yeah, he was really running away from classifying the attack as a terror attack.

September 18th:

"Here's what happened," Obama told David Letterman. "We had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character - an extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam, making fun of the prophet Mohammed. And so, this caused great offense in much of the Muslim world. But what also happened was extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the one, the consulate in Libya"

Extremists and terrorists used it as "an excuse," not as a direct cause.

Rice characterized the attack at Benghazi soon after it happened as appearing to be a demonstration followed by an attack. As Glenn Beck's The Blaze quotes her (under, of course, an extremely misleading headline but one that was typical of all media sources, including ABC):

"We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to - or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo," Rice said. "And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons... And it then evolved from there."

They were also kind enough to include her Meet the Press interview in which she prefaces the above with statements that the FBI is investigating and that her comments are not in any way intended to be the final word.

Get it? The administration, from the beginning, had been acknowledging that there were protests throughout the region at the time and have made efforts to stem some of the anger by pointing out that the video was not endorsed by American officials. They have ALSO said that we value free speech and that's why a video like that can exist without US government endorsement. That's for the region as a whole because they're killing EACH OTHER over this. In addition, they have been saying that the attackers at the consulate were NOT part of the protests and, at best, used the protests as an excuse and, it initially appeared, as cover and confusion for the actual attack.

But that's too much for a soundbite, I guess. Better to just run with the "Obama said Christopher Stevens died and youtube killed him" narrative.
 
2012-10-16 06:50:00 AM

CreamFilling: So I'm assuming shell be removed/relieved/replaced, right?


No, she'll remove herself. Then she'll start working on her 2016 run for the White House.
 
2012-10-16 06:51:49 AM
I'm glad the standards are increasing.

First bush lost 3000+ people on 9/11, and then he was quickly fired.

Now you can fire Obama for losing 4

The next president will be fired if anyone dies in America.

Soon no one will ever die, and I think we can all agree that's pretty sweet.
 
2012-10-16 06:55:07 AM
It's nearly impossible to fortify an area in a foreign country, and expect to have adequate on going intelligence in so many locations. If locals are determined to uproot you they will find a way. That being we should do what we can with security, but this attack has been over politicized due to the election in my view.
 
2012-10-16 06:58:09 AM
the libyan people's response to the militias following the attack is worthy of note.

would be good if there was discussion of improving the kurdish people's situation tonight, too
 
2012-10-16 07:09:19 AM

Somacandra: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Perhaps this situation could have been avoided if State Dept. internal comm. was better, such that their requests for long term help were properly routed.

It also might have helped if the Benghazi post had actually requisitioned for more security. The recent hearings have made it clear that all the requests from Libya were for Tripoli, on the other side of the country,


Also, you know what also happened at the same time as the Benghazi attack? The attack on Bastion in Afghanistan. If the boatload of Marines at Bastion didn't prevent a four farking hour firefight inside the base, then I'm really curious how having more Marines in Benghazi would have prevented a mortar strike. Does the GOP think that the Marines would have caught the mortars and thrown them back?

/Actually, they probably do.
 
2012-10-16 07:18:40 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."

Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush II

And the THREE under Carter

And the THREE under Reagan

And the ONE THREE under ClintonI

shiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.


FTFY.
 
2012-10-16 07:24:37 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: So, who fell on Bush's sword after 9/11?

/I don't blame Obama for Benghazi or Bush for 9/11 because I'm not an idiot.
//But, as a certain Mormon presidential candidate says, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


When did Bush ever in any way even remotely claim responsibility for 9/11?

He didn't have someone fall on the sword for him, he chucked the damned sword at Clinton.
 
2012-10-16 07:28:08 AM

cman: First mate beaches a frigate. Who do they hold responsible? The Captain


Yes! You hold the captain responsible. How about the Admiral back in the US? How about his boss at the Petagon? Or His boss in the White House? Yeah, didn't think so.

Private industry is different though. When someone dies after a worker goes crazy and shoots up one of the mega corps locations, of course the CEO resigns. Because even though increased security was never requested and the CEO is not a security expert, he is responsible. Amiright?

Romney surges and all the GOP can do is harp on this? Maybe he's still more behind than we think.
 
2012-10-16 07:29:08 AM
Issa will never lay a glove on Obama.
 
2012-10-16 07:32:39 AM

Babwa Wawa: TFA: Clinton: I'm responsible for diplomats' security

Well, subby, it is true. As is the fact that the President is responsible for the State Dept. And if there are issues with the security at the Benghazi Consulate, the President will be held responsible.

/Chain of Command. How does it work?


It worked really well for GW when the WTC was attacked on his watch. His approval skyrocketed.
 
2012-10-16 07:38:56 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: So, who fell on Bush's sword after 9/11?


Bush stabbed Bill Clinton with it.
 
2012-10-16 07:39:08 AM

ryarger: When did Bush ever in any way even remotely claim responsibility for 9/11? He didn't have someone fall on the sword for him, he chucked the damned sword at Clinton.


... Erm, yes, that was my point. I was being snarky; this is Fark, after all. :P
 
2012-10-16 07:40:23 AM

cman: quickdraw: Babwa Wawa: /Chain of Command. How does it work?

So... you think that the POTUS is omniscient and omnipresent? Because I just don't think Obama has those kinds of supernatural powers.

I dunno the whole thing seems pretty grasping. Like claiming that it was Bush's fault Cheney shot somebody in the face.

Let me put it in a different light.

In May 2011, Obama approved of a mission to kill Bin Laden. He signed the order authorizing troops to enter a country we were not at war with to take out a high value target. If Obama failed this could have been a SIGNIFICANT blow to his administration. He would have had to take all the flak for its failure. Since it was a success he can take it and put it in his win column. He didnt plan the raid. He didnt conduct the raid. All he did was approve the raid. For that he deserves credit.

Someone didn't do their job and an American diplomat was killed. Obama is the President of the United States. He is our figurehead. He is also responsible for ensuring the cabinet members can do their damn job. Obama shares both the glory and the defeat in instances like this.


One of those things is not like the other.
 
2012-10-16 07:47:52 AM
You know who is really ultimately responsible for the safety of the consulate?

Jesus.

And I want to know what he plans to do about this. Why doesn't he make bad things stop happening?

Way to drop the ball Jesus, we were all counting on you. 

/See if I vote for him again.
//The Great Electron. 2016
 
2012-10-16 07:49:20 AM

The Why Not Guy: CreamFilling: So I'm assuming shell be removed/relieved/replaced, right?

I'm not going to defend Mrs. Clinton... if it turns out she was negligent in her duties she should be held responsible. It's just funny to see those who cheered the invasion of Iraq clamoring for someone to be held responsible for a foreign policy screw up. Meanwhile Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, and Rumsfeld are still free citizens. How come your "hold people responsible for their actions" policy - which I support, by the way - doesn't apply to Republicans?


because 9/11
 
2012-10-16 08:01:59 AM
Hillary should resign and take a few of the people she feels are also responsible with her. After all, if this was a republican administration that is what the democrats would be demanding. Hillary's life in politics should be over.

Now who is responsible for making up the "Its all started because of a Youtube video" story and sending Ambassador Rice out to the Sunday talk shows? Libya was never that, we now have sworn testimony along with live audio and video showing it was never that. Who is responsible for trying to cover up this act of terrorism and the security blunder that left Americans vulnerable that Hillary is falling on her sword over? It came from the White House people, no Ambassador gets sent out to do 5 Sunday shows on the same day without an approved or written script from the current administration, doesn't happen.
This is a cover up we all know it. It was a blatant lie told to the American people, repeated at the UN and still no real journalist is asking the right questions.. or maybe they aren't being allowed to. Maybe tonight.
 
2012-10-16 08:07:30 AM
Meanwhile, in an alternate universe...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-16 08:08:29 AM
Hey, let's use the death of Americans in Libya for political gain! After all, there's a black man in the White House!
/sick of this shiat
 
2012-10-16 08:11:25 AM
All you right-leaning folk, did you call on Bush to take responsibility when the Abu Ghraib tortures and beatings were made public? Didn't think so; everyone said "Oh it's just some misguided, overzealous soldiers", a couple of higher ups got in trouble in the Army, but no one in Bush's Cabinet got touched.

Clinton took responsibility for the lack of security; it probably didn't even make it to her desk for that matter. Someone below her probably made the initial call on security amounts, and they were for Tripoli anyway.

/Conservatives have to have their stalking horses though 
//Clinton only "fell on her sword" if she offered to resign, btw
 
2012-10-16 08:16:28 AM

Bendal: All you right-leaning folk, did you call on Bush to take responsibility when the Abu Ghraib tortures and beatings were made public?


Did Bush make up a story and send out an Ambassador to repeat the made up story? Did Bush go to the UN and tell the made up story?
 
2012-10-16 08:18:46 AM
Funny how the people voting to cut budgets for things like embassy security are the most vociferous in calling for heads to roll over the embassy attacks in Libya...
 
2012-10-16 08:19:39 AM

Tyee: Did Bush go to the UN and tell the made up story?


No, he had Colin Powell do that for him a short while after...
 
2012-10-16 08:20:36 AM

Tyee: Bendal: All you right-leaning folk, did you call on Bush to take responsibility when the Abu Ghraib tortures and beatings were made public?

Did Bush make up a story and send out an Ambassador to repeat the made up story? Did Bush go to the UN and tell the made up story?


About Iraq? Bush made up a LOT of stories about Iraq, actually....
 
2012-10-16 08:25:05 AM
Meanwhile in the Freeperverse Hillary is planning to stab Obama in the back...
 
2012-10-16 08:25:13 AM
Babwa Wawa: Did the CO give the orders leading to the LT's orders? Finally, it might be the CO's fault,

mimg.ugo.com

Kendrick ordered the code red, didn't he? Because that's what you told Kendrick to do.


badatsports.com
 
2012-10-16 08:27:41 AM
When she goes to jail to protect Obama, she'll know how Webster Hubbell felt.
 
2012-10-16 08:28:33 AM
yep, nothing is ever Obama's responsibility.
 
2012-10-16 08:29:23 AM
There was nothing requested by, or denied to, the Libyan consulate and embassy staff that would have prevented or mitigated what happened at the Benghazi consulate. Absolutely, positively, nothing.

It is quite possible that there were legitimate reasons not to play up the terror attack angle, probably because Libya was using the time in question to actually round up and arrest at least 50 people involved in the attack, and broadcasting that this was a planned terror attack and they were looking for a terror cell and not a spontaneous demonstration and they were looking for demonstrators would hamper those efforts.

Finally, for a planned attack, we should be eternally grateful that the number of American casualties was so low. Our security is apparently so sound throughout the world, that, after all the demonstrations and attacks on 9/11/12, no one has been able to pull off a terror attack of the magnitude of Khobar Towers, The African Embassy bombings, The 9/11/01 attacks, or the Islamabad Marriot Attack. Even the U.S.S. Cole bombing killed 17 American sailors. It's an unfortunate fact of life that we have to deal with terror. And, since 2009, we've been quite successful in mitigating its worst aspects.
 
2012-10-16 08:29:48 AM
"We have just learned that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has claimed full responsibility for any failure to secure our people and our Consulate in Benghazi prior to the attack of September 11, 2012. This is a laudable gesture, especially when the White House is trying to avoid any responsibility whatsoever.

"However, we must remember that the events of September 11 were preceded by an escalating pattern of attacks this year in Benghazi, including a bomb that was thrown into our Consulate in April, another explosive device that was detonated outside of our Consulate in June, and an assassination attempt on the British Ambassador. If the President was truly not aware of this rising threat level in Benghazi, then we have lost confidence in his national security team, whose responsibility it is to keep the President informed. But if the President was aware of these earlier attacks in Benghazi prior to the events of September 11, 2012, then he
bears full responsibility for any security failures that occurred. The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the Commander-in-Chief. The buck stops there.

"Furthermore, there is the separate issue of the insistence by members of the Administration, including the President himself, that the attack in Benghazi was the result of a spontaneous demonstration triggered by a hateful video, long after it had become clear that the real cause was a terrorist attack. The President also bears responsibility for this portrayal of the attack, and we continue to believe that the American people deserve to know why the Administration acted as it did."--Senators McCain, Graham, and Ayotte.
 
2012-10-16 08:32:33 AM
Since this is reality there will be an investigation and those actually responsible for the fark-up (if indeed there was a fark-up) will be quietly shown the door.  
 
Hillary won't resign or be fired and anyone asking for that is trying to make political points for the election and has no interest in the actual work of the Secretary of State.
 
2012-10-16 08:33:29 AM

keylock71: Funny how the people voting to cut budgets for things like embassy security are the most vociferous in calling for heads to roll over the embassy attacks in Libya...


You know, if the made up cover up story would have worked you wouldn't be talking about budget cuts to embassies. But ask yourself this; why does the embassy near great shopping in safe old Paris, the french Paris that isn't in the dangerous mid east and hasn't just had a violent revolution in country, why does it have so much security compared to Libya?
Why aren't you asking that?
 
2012-10-16 08:33:51 AM
3 statisticals:

1. The extra security the embassy requested would not have prevented an attack of this scale
2. Republicans voted down additional funding for embassy security
3. Move on to the next scandal.
 
2012-10-16 08:34:02 AM
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-16 08:34:02 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."

Except for the SEVEN attacks under Bush II

And the THREE under Carter

And the THREE under Reagan

And the ONE each under Clinton and Bush I

shiat, Reagan lost 241 Americans with 60 injured in a single attack in Beirut in in 1983. And then he cut and ran. Nevertheless, Lindsay Graham is still sucking the Gipper's ghostly dick. Wringing your hands over less than 10 people? Bullshiat, Graham.


QFT.

And Reagan's men were killed with the arms we funneled to them.
 
2012-10-16 08:36:03 AM

Whodat: yep, nothing is ever Obama's responsibility.


shiat happens. Dems take responsibility and work to fix any problems.

shiat happens. GOP deny any problem or responsibility.

The "nothing is ever Obama's fault" argument is never made by anyone on the left it is a projection by the right to try to cover up for their patently ridiculous "everything Obama does is wrong" narrative.

Does that help?
 
2012-10-16 08:38:04 AM
I knew as soon as I saw this on the news that the derping point from our right-wing friendsmorons was going to be "OMG Obamalamafartdongomabingbongmabango is throwing the Secretary of State under the bus for failures at the Department of State!"

But, then, I'll care what these idiots think about this issue when they stop falling all over themselves to rhetorically beat-off Paul Ryan, a man who voted to cut $1.2 billion in State dept. funding which included money for several hundred security positions.

Not to say the administration doesn't share some blame in this failure, but it's that whole stones and glass houses and what-not, you know....
 
Displayed 50 of 289 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report