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(SFGate)   Grateful Dead fan 3-D prints his ideal $3000 Jerry Garcia guitar with $3000 in plastic materials, says it sounds good, saving him from paying the $3000 to buy Jerry Garcia's guitar. $3000   (sfgate.com) divider line 10
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2012-10-15 11:37:32 PM
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KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


It all depends on how much tin your ear is made out of I guess.

Compare the mids and highs of a Swamp Ash Telecaster with a maple neck to a mahogany-bodied Les Paul. Even if you went and did a direct swap of electrical components the Ash body is going to give you more highs and mids and the Paul will have more bass to it. Take a Jazz Bass from the 60's with an alder body and compare it to one from the 70's with Ash. Compare a fretless with an ebony board to one with rosewood. Look at someone like Jaco who used marine sealant on the board and found that it boosted the mids and highs.

I've spent 3K on a guitar and I've spent $200. I don't have any "pride" in what I own....they're all tools that serve a specific purpose; to have a different voice to suit my needs. I've owned, played, gigged, modified, rebuilt and sold enough new, used and vintage electrics over the years to know that if you can't hear the difference between Ash and Mahogany then you're not hearing the difference between someone like Roy Buchanan and Peter Greene, Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robert Cray and Warren Haynes.

Which is fine. Everyone is allowed to be an uneducated listener if they want to be.

As a kid I thought that electronics were the answer. I learned the hard and expensive way they they're not. You're not going to make a basswood-bodied guitar sound like a Les Paul just because you threw a set of 59's in there. You're not going to cop SRV's sound with a Telecaster, even if you replace both pickups with a set of Duncan Strat Antiquities. Change the pots all you want 250k, 500k, go ahead and toss in coil splitters and get into caps as well. Bumblebees? Orange Drops? Even with things modified like Peter Greene's famous tone it still is going to sound like an out of phase Les Paul.

The notion that wood quality doesn't play an integral part in the sound of electrics is absurd.
2012-10-15 11:22:47 PM
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KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


Actually many different things affect the sound. The wood of the neck, the nut, the bridge, the bridge block, strings etc.

Pickups can't enhance what isn't there.

The tonal characteristics and density of the various materials matters greatly toward achieving the sound you're looking for.

A brass nut is going to sound brighter than a bone nut, a maple neck is going to sound better than ash, and a mahogany body is going to sound different than an alder one. 

A lot can be said for great pickups, but they aren't the only deciding factor.
2012-10-15 10:36:35 PM
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LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless hippies.
2012-10-15 10:14:26 PM
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"The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.
2012-10-16 09:39:17 AM
1 votes:

LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


Easily, lots of people do.
2012-10-16 08:55:01 AM
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Skarekrough: The notion that wood quality doesn't play an integral part in the sound of electrics is absurd.


while you make good points and I am sure your experience has taught you all this...

you still sound like one of those crazy audiophiles that claim that taping magic rocks to your cables actually makes a damn bit of difference. OF COURSE build quality and materials affects the sound of a guitar, but it is SERIOUSLY less about what the guitar is made of and mostly about the talent of the person playing it. Slash could take a shiatty guitar from Wal-Mart and tune it and then play Sweet Child of Mine and it would still sound like Slash playing Sweet Child of Mine even tho I am pretty sure those Wal-Mart guitars are made of pressboard or dead Swedish porn stars or something.
2012-10-16 02:00:53 AM
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Skarekrough: KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.

It all depends on how much tin your ear is made out of I guess.

Compare the mids and highs of a Swamp Ash Telecaster with a maple neck to a mahogany-bodied Les Paul. Even if you went and did a direct swap of electrical components the Ash body is going to give you more highs and mids and the Paul will have more bass to it. Take a Jazz Bass from the 60's with an alder body and compare it to one from the 70's with Ash. Compare a fretless with an ebony board to one with rosewood. Look at someone like Jaco who used marine sealant on the board and found that it boosted the mids and highs.

I've spent 3K on a guitar and I've spent $200. I don't have any "pride" in what I own....they're all tools that serve a specific purpose; to have a different voice to suit my needs. I've owned, played, gigged, modified, rebuilt and sold enough new, used and vintage electrics over the years to know that if you can't hear the difference between Ash and Mahogany then you're not hearing the difference between someone like Roy Buchanan and Peter Greene, Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robert Cray and Warren Haynes.

Which is fine. Everyone is allowed to be an uneducated listener if they want to be.

As a kid I thought that electronics were the answer. I learned the hard and expensive way they they're not. You're not going to make a basswood-bodied guitar sound like a Les Paul just because you threw a set of ...


Y'all are forgetting one very important factor: Scale length. While I won't dismiss tone variance with differences in wood, the main reason that your Tele can't sound like your Paul even with the same components is the harmonic difference between a 25.5" string vibrating and a 24.75" string. If you retrofitted a Fender Cyclone with the guts of a Les Paul you would get closer(but not too close).

Yeah, the drunks at the bar don't care much about tone, but as someone who isn't gigging anymore I find myself playing to the tone of the guitar in style and technique rather than trying to force fit the tone of the guitar.
2012-10-16 01:55:14 AM
1 votes:

theewhiterhino: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...

Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

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Who's trolling? I don't care whether you respond or not. I'm serious as a heart attack. Ever see all the patchouli-reeking lames following them around? Ever hear the songs disintegrating into endless, aimless noodling that didn't work? They were about the last of the '60s San Francisco bands to get signed to a recording contract, and there was clearly a reason for it.
2012-10-15 10:09:06 PM
1 votes:
$3000 in just the plastic material? Ill stick with A top of the line wooden one thanks.
2012-10-15 09:57:10 PM
1 votes:
Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.
 
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