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2012-10-16 03:20:35 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Devmapall: My parents and boss love the grateful dead.
My mom was at a show while pregnant with me in 88 and shined a crystal over me while either bob or phil looked her in the eyes. I never went to another dead concert until around three years ago with my boss, mom (their old friends) and coworkers. They made fun of me and the other people who went because we didn't dance.
/no point to my csb
//first time and only i smoked openly in front of my mom.
///really wished I could've toured with them but I probably wouldn't have survived birth back in the fifties.

if you went 3 years ago, you didn't see the dead.

/too bad they couldn't 3D print jerry a finger.


yeah... I know. It was fun and free. I don't consider myself a deadhead at all but do like their music.
/Used to record the dead hour every time it aired for my mom. I kinda miss actual tapes.
Is that show still on?
 
2012-10-16 04:49:15 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: pciszek: Powdered metal deposited by a sort of solid "ink jet" printer, sintered by laser or infused with bronze.

So, not "3D printing" at all, but a decades-old manufacturing technique? I grow weary of the constant "3D printing" hype that benefits the hucksters like Bre Pettis who did nothing at all. I mean, is squeezing a tube of Cake Mate considered "3D printing" now? I'm a genius if so. I just baked muffins with green icing. ERRR sorry, 3D printed muffins.


You know, as crazy as it is, I do understand where you're coming from regarding your space nuttery. Some people do have a fantastical notion of driving to Alpha Centauri in space cars at warp 9, not nearly enough people to warrant your level of anger and thread shiatting, but at least I can imagine that's who you think you're fighting in your crusade. Also I know you've got that terminal illness and your nurses are expensive, so you'd rather all scientific endeavour was poured into finding cures for you and extending your life, like that Nazi guy in "Bullet Proof Monk", which is how I picture you, btw, so naturally you hate any notion of researching space and space travel.

...but 3d printing? Granted that's a bit of a diverse field and a buzzword catch-all name, but really? All it is is taking a printer, like in an office, to which I assume you're not averse, and making them 'print' things in three dimensions. Simply put. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with it. Pray explain to me.

Wait, in a rare moment of clarity I think I get it. Both suffer from people oversimplifying them, making them seem simple and possible to do miracles with and solve all the world's problems, so you make it your mission to bring everyone down, rather than letting strangers on the internet dream. Is that it?
 
2012-10-16 05:49:15 AM

Slaxl:

Wait, in a rare moment of clarity I think I get it. Both suffer from people oversimplifying them, making them seem simple and possible to do miracles with and solve all the world's problems, so you make it your mission to bring everyone down, rather than letting strangers on the internet dream. Is that it?


Hey, every time a stranger dreams the secret of immortality is taken from the mind of a scientist. It works on the same principle as how god kills a kitten every time someone faps.
 
2012-10-16 06:03:41 AM
LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


I hate them because they never played NYE outside of the Bay area (save ONCE), and likewise never really played small and/or beautiful venues except in the same locale.
 
2012-10-16 07:01:20 AM
I'm 3-D printing some poop as I read these comments.

/Will sell for $3000
 
2012-10-16 08:19:23 AM

theorellior: way south: It sounds like you've 3D printed yourself a new goalpost to cover for not having a grasp of the subject.

I think our next Internet Meme made real should be to chip in to buy QA a 3D printer. One that only makes little silver starship models.


FTFY

Neondistraction: Along with a certificate that says we could have donated all that money to researching immortality, but didn't.


If it was a 3D printed metal plate on the front that said that I`d have some money to put in.
 
2012-10-16 08:31:00 AM
Structural integrity and quality of finish seem to be issues that some people have with 3D printing. As long as you are aware of the limitations of the material then you just work with a reduced set of possible products. Hybrid products combining many methods of construction would seem to be the most flexible and cheapest way of making products.

For finishing, just make a 3D printer with a set of finishing tools. Grinders, buffers, chrome platers etc then the finish of the product is top rate. Of course, most people wouldn`t have one of those in the garage similar to the way most people don`t have a CNC milling machine in the garage today...
 
2012-10-16 08:32:19 AM
what does a Windows test print look like on a 3D printer?

cdn.jarederickson.com
 
2012-10-16 08:34:55 AM

forgotmydamnusername: Who's trolling


posting on fark: automatically trolling

/troll
 
2012-10-16 08:41:24 AM

pciszek: KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

The first one was little more than a 2x4 with pickups.


A railroad tie, supposedly.
 
2012-10-16 08:44:17 AM
What a 3000 guitar might look like:

thewowjonesreport.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-16 08:49:20 AM

Slaxl: Wait, in a rare moment of clarity I think I get it. Both suffer from people oversimplifying them, making them seem simple and possible to do miracles with and solve all the world's problems, so you make it your mission to bring everyone down, rather than letting strangers on the internet dream. Is that it?


His parents were crushed before his very eyes by a piece of 3D-printed space debris. A traumatic incident that has left his heart void of everything save bitterness and resentment.

=Smidge=
 
2012-10-16 08:55:01 AM

Skarekrough: The notion that wood quality doesn't play an integral part in the sound of electrics is absurd.


while you make good points and I am sure your experience has taught you all this...

you still sound like one of those crazy audiophiles that claim that taping magic rocks to your cables actually makes a damn bit of difference. OF COURSE build quality and materials affects the sound of a guitar, but it is SERIOUSLY less about what the guitar is made of and mostly about the talent of the person playing it. Slash could take a shiatty guitar from Wal-Mart and tune it and then play Sweet Child of Mine and it would still sound like Slash playing Sweet Child of Mine even tho I am pretty sure those Wal-Mart guitars are made of pressboard or dead Swedish porn stars or something.
 
2012-10-16 09:02:04 AM
yeah but where can u get the gold for your 3D printed monster cables
 
2012-10-16 09:04:58 AM

moothemagiccow: forgotmydamnusername: Who's trolling

posting on fark: automatically trolling

/troll


-4/10 Real trolls nevar EVAR admit to trolling. Evar. Especially not in their profile.
 
2012-10-16 09:06:49 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: yeah but where can u get the gold for your 3D printed monster cables



you just buy a new printer - far cheaper than buying new gold cartridges.
 
2012-10-16 09:16:32 AM
"It's sort of this salad bar of 3-D printing,"

WTF does that mean?
 
2012-10-16 09:34:07 AM

frepnog: Skarekrough: The notion that wood quality doesn't play an integral part in the sound of electrics is absurd.

while you make good points and I am sure your experience has taught you all this...

you still sound like one of those crazy audiophiles that claim that taping magic rocks to your cables actually makes a damn bit of difference. OF COURSE build quality and materials affects the sound of a guitar, but it is SERIOUSLY less about what the guitar is made of and mostly about the talent of the person playing it. Slash could take a shiatty guitar from Wal-Mart and tune it and then play Sweet Child of Mine and it would still sound like Slash playing Sweet Child of Mine even tho I am pretty sure those Wal-Mart guitars are made of pressboard or dead Swedish porn stars or something.


I'm blessed to be involved with players, musicians and collectors who are competent as players. But I'm also very aware that when you have a kid who's learning and put the wrong tools in his hand they're not going to advance in the same manner as someone who gets the right tool from the start. While talent is innate and skill is learned both of those factors can be exponentially furthered by putting the right instrument in their hands to begin with and not having them mess around with trying to make something sound like something else.

I don't consider myself crazy as much as I am informed and educated and having spent an inordinate amount of time playing some fantastic and some terrible instruments over the years. Not all cheap guitars are terrible and not all expensive guitars are great. In large part the hands of the player is as much a contributor as is the wood, pickups, amp, etc. It's all part of the equation.

For some kid getting started I will agree that it's more important to get him up and playing rather than worry about having the right tool 100% of the time. Matter of fact I almost prefer that as it will create an educated consumer. They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?" They learn the answers through research and playing. They buy, get experience and become educated over time.

But when you strip it all down....were talking guitar, cord, tube amp....that's where you hear it all in its very naked glory. That's the foundation upon which you're building, which is what I'm talking about.
 
2012-10-16 09:36:51 AM

frepnog: even tho I am pretty sure those Wal-Mart guitars are made of pressboard or dead Swedish porn stars or something.


Hey, man, the sustain you get from dead Swedish porn stars is a thing of beauty.
 
2012-10-16 09:39:17 AM

LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


Easily, lots of people do.
 
2012-10-16 09:42:48 AM

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


You can't tell the difference between a guitar with a basswood body and a mahogany one?
 
2012-10-16 09:47:12 AM

olfhq: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easily, lots of people do.


yeah, me for one. can't stand that shiatty hippy crap.

Skarekrough: They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?"


because you don't have the right pedal, of course. I am not the most proficient player, but ran thru a Korg pedal I had a damn Squire Strat that when played thru that pedal could sound like satan rising from the pit. it could emulate a metallica sound, a death metal sound and just about anything inbetween. On a crappy Squire strat.

seriously. a good quality guitar doesn't need to be made of unobtanium to sound great. also - give a kid a cheap guitar. if that kid is serious about learning to play then that kid will play. there is no need to give a kid a guitar that costs over a couple hundred dollars, "right tool" be damned. once that kid has learned to play then we can move on to better instruments.
 
2012-10-16 10:33:32 AM
I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat, got it on the cheap in '96, as new models were coming out, dealer needed it to go. Was absolutely stunned how well it played, how well it sounded. I had to have it, but couldn't pull the trigger. A few days later, stopped in to play it again...it was gone. I played every freakin' Strat in the store, all the way up to an American Standard that was way out of my price range. Nope. None of them sounded like "mine", none of them felt as good. Devastated. Turned out the wife snuck in and bought it for me as a birthday gift. I know, CSB. Moral of the story, if you're buying a guitar, play several...different price ranges, different brands. If you like one...it's a good guitar. Don't over analyze it.
 
2012-10-16 10:45:17 AM

Rickenbacker: I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat,


Why do you hate America?

/ kidding
 
2012-10-16 10:56:30 AM

Neondistraction: Rickenbacker: I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat,

Why do you hate America?

/ kidding


LOL. I'm a cheap bastard. If I had money, I would have went for a real '57 Strat.
 
2012-10-16 11:12:48 AM

Rickenbacker: Neondistraction: Rickenbacker: I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat,

Why do you hate America?

/ kidding

LOL. I'm a cheap bastard. If I had money, I would have went for a real '57 Strat.


I've got an 80's made in Japan Squire Tele that I wouldn't trade for anything. Someone gave it to me after I saw it sitting in their closet with no strings and no input jack. Some simple wiring, an easy set up later and I have an awesome guitar that won't go out of tune everytime I set it down. And it sounds amazing! I play it as much as I play my PRS Custom 24, although that is comparing apples to oranges. I guess my point is that, as someone mentioned earlier, you have to play many guitars and pick out the one that 'feels right'.
 
2012-10-16 11:29:48 AM

forgotmydamnusername: Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore


But so are you and nobody hates you. They just ignore your stupidity
 
2012-10-16 11:35:39 AM

stupiddream: Rickenbacker: Neondistraction: Rickenbacker: I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat,

Why do you hate America?

/ kidding

LOL. I'm a cheap bastard. If I had money, I would have went for a real '57 Strat.

I've got an 80's made in Japan Squire Tele that I wouldn't trade for anything. Someone gave it to me after I saw it sitting in their closet with no strings and no input jack. Some simple wiring, an easy set up later and I have an awesome guitar that won't go out of tune everytime I set it down. And it sounds amazing! I play it as much as I play my PRS Custom 24, although that is comparing apples to oranges. I guess my point is that, as someone mentioned earlier, you have to play many guitars and pick out the one that 'feels right'.


Exactly! My BIL has a hell of a collection...SRV Strat, Yngwie Strat, Music Man EVH, a bunch of high end stuff. He loves to play my Strat. Once in a while, you just get lucky and find a gem.
 
2012-10-16 11:44:33 AM
Before you all start panicking, let me remind you that glock pistols are made from plastic.
 
2012-10-16 11:46:27 AM

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


I'll go you one further, and posit that plastic acoustic guitars can sound great. Mario Maccaferri of Selmer Guitar fame (Django Reinhardt's favorite) made beautiful f-top and d-hole jazz guitars almost entirely out of plastic. Only the tuning heads, nut, truss rod, and the neck mounting were made of aluminum. Link

These were high-quality professional-grade instruments, that were impervious to humidity (heat, not so much). The tone is pleasing, although distinct from wood. You can still find them in rare guitar stores, but be careful, the arch tops on some have settled inward over time, and can change the intonation and action.

I have had two of them, and while one was better than the other, both were great sounding plastic acoustic instruments.
 
2012-10-16 11:52:45 AM

olfhq: You can't tell the difference between a guitar with a basswood body and a mahogany one?


Um... the basswood one sounds lower? :)
 
2012-10-16 11:57:56 AM
Look at what I just printed....

www.jedistar.com
 
2012-10-16 11:58:29 AM

KrispyKritter: "Krispy, it aint the axe...it's the man standing behind it!"


LOL, I agree. I have a friend who has played with a lot of known acts. Buddy Guy once told him, "Kid, it's not who you've played with, it's who played with you!"
 
2012-10-16 12:19:15 PM

Valarius: Before you all start panicking, let me remind you that glock pistols are made from plastic.


Yeah, but the tone...it's just not the same, man.
 
2012-10-16 12:41:23 PM
I have an American Standard Strat with a maple neck and one from just a few years later with rosewood, and let me tell you the difference is vast.

/one has a chrome red finish, the other is chrome blue
//bah-dum-tsss
 
2012-10-16 12:48:49 PM
Dammit I meant fretboard, not neck.

Don't post while distracted.
 
2012-10-16 01:04:45 PM

CMYK and PMS: forgotmydamnusername: Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore

But so are you and nobody hates you. They just ignore your stupidity


When I do it, it's called "practice". If I decide to be inconsiderate and turn my amp up too much, the neighbors may be forced to listen. I certainly don't have the brass to be charging admission for that.
 
2012-10-16 01:18:06 PM

frepnog: olfhq: Skarekrough: They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?"

because you don't have the right pedal, of course. I am not the most proficient player, but ran thru a Korg pedal I had a damn Squire Strat that when played thru that pedal could sound like satan rising from the pit. it could emulate a metallica sound, a death metal sound and just about anything inbetween. On a crappy Squire strat.

seriously. a good quality guitar doesn't need to be made of unobtanium to sound great. also - give a kid a cheap guitar. if that kid is serious about learning to play then that kid will play. there is no need to give a kid a guitar that costs over a couple hundred dollars, "right tool" be damned. once that kid has learned to play then we can move on to better instruments.


Yeah, you can hide shiat under pedals quite well. Ask the Sludge or whatever that fark in U2 calls himself. I'm actually with Skarekrough about not starting beginners out with shiat instruments if you or they can afford not to. There's no reason to "pay dues". Fark that. It's easier to sound good and generally less depressing and discouraging with a better-quality instrument.
 
2012-10-16 01:25:57 PM

forgotmydamnusername: frepnog: olfhq: Skarekrough: They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?"

because you don't have the right pedal, of course. I am not the most proficient player, but ran thru a Korg pedal I had a damn Squire Strat that when played thru that pedal could sound like satan rising from the pit. it could emulate a metallica sound, a death metal sound and just about anything inbetween. On a crappy Squire strat.

seriously. a good quality guitar doesn't need to be made of unobtanium to sound great. also - give a kid a cheap guitar. if that kid is serious about learning to play then that kid will play. there is no need to give a kid a guitar that costs over a couple hundred dollars, "right tool" be damned. once that kid has learned to play then we can move on to better instruments.

Yeah, you can hide shiat under pedals quite well. Ask the Sludge or whatever that fark in U2 calls himself. I'm actually with Skarekrough about not starting beginners out with shiat instruments if you or they can afford not to. There's no reason to "pay dues". Fark that. It's easier to sound good and generally less depressing and discouraging with a better-quality instrument.


i dunno. on kids, i am firmly against buying a kid an expensive instrument to learn on. mostly because kids are fickle and there is no sense in paying 1500 bucks for a "good" guitar that might not get played more than a few times. you wouldn't buy a kid a Ferrari to learn to drive, would you? Even tho that Ferrari would be much more fun to drive than mom's old Taurus.

As far as "hiding shiat under pedals" i don't know of any concert playing rock musicians that go onstage with no sort of pedal. If SRV or Satriani play a guitar plugged into an amp with nothing but the wire ... well, they are masters, but I bet they still used stomp boxes.

You want a kid to keep playing buy him or her a decent but cheap guitar and a cheap effect pedal. If they really like playing that will keep them going.
 
2012-10-16 01:46:55 PM

Thelyphthoric: I have an American Standard Strat with a maple neck and one from just a few years later with rosewood, and let me tell you the difference is vast.

/one has a chrome red finish, the other is chrome blue
//bah-dum-tsss


So which do you like better?

(Have an '89 Strat Plus w/ rosewood fretboard.)
 
2012-10-16 01:48:21 PM

theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.


Alrighty then. I'll let you get back to your One Direction albums and never speak of them again.

/douche
 
2012-10-16 01:52:35 PM

dryknife: Thelyphthoric: I have an American Standard Strat with a maple neck and one from just a few years later with rosewood, and let me tell you the difference is vast.

/one has a chrome red finish, the other is chrome blue
//bah-dum-tsss

So which do you like better?

(Have an '89 Strat Plus w/ rosewood fretboard.)


The red with maple fretboard, but mostly because it has a better setup on string height and doesn't have a GR-1 pickup on it. If my guitar synth was working (I think it's just the power supply) I'd play the other more, at least for keyboard parts.

They both have stock pickups, but money is tight and my arsenal tends to get wider, not better if that makes any sense.
 
2012-10-16 01:55:50 PM

Thelyphthoric: dryknife: Thelyphthoric: I have an American Standard Strat with a maple neck and one from just a few years later with rosewood, and let me tell you the difference is vast.

/one has a chrome red finish, the other is chrome blue
//bah-dum-tsss

So which do you like better?

(Have an '89 Strat Plus w/ rosewood fretboard.)

The red with maple fretboard, but mostly because it has a better setup on string height and doesn't have a GR-1 pickup on it. If my guitar synth was working (I think it's just the power supply) I'd play the other more, at least for keyboard parts.

They both have stock pickups, but money is tight and my arsenal tends to get wider, not better if that makes any sense.



wow, that is a terrible euphemism for "wife".
 
2012-10-16 01:58:39 PM

frepnog: forgotmydamnusername: frepnog: olfhq: Skarekrough: They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?"

because you don't have the right pedal, of course. I am not the most proficient player, but ran thru a Korg pedal I had a damn Squire Strat that when played thru that pedal could sound like satan rising from the pit. it could emulate a metallica sound, a death metal sound and just about anything inbetween. On a crappy Squire strat.

seriously. a good quality guitar doesn't need to be made of unobtanium to sound great. also - give a kid a cheap guitar. if that kid is serious about learning to play then that kid will play. there is no need to give a kid a guitar that costs over a couple hundred dollars, "right tool" be damned. once that kid has learned to play then we can move on to better instruments.

Yeah, you can hide shiat under pedals quite well. Ask the Sludge or whatever that fark in U2 calls himself. I'm actually with Skarekrough about not starting beginners out with shiat instruments if you or they can afford not to. There's no reason to "pay dues". Fark that. It's easier to sound good and generally less depressing and discouraging with a better-quality instrument.

i dunno. on kids, i am firmly against buying a kid an expensive instrument to learn on. mostly because kids are fickle and there is no sense in paying 1500 bucks for a "good" guitar that might not get played more than a few times. you wouldn't buy a kid a Ferrari to learn to drive, would you? Even tho that Ferrari would be much more fun to drive than mom's old Taurus.

As far as "hiding shiat under pedals" i don't know of any concert playing rock musicians that go onstage with no sort of pedal. If SRV or Satriani play a guitar plugged into an amp with nothing but the wire ... well, they are masters, but I bet they still used stomp boxes.

You want a kid to keep playing buy him or her a decent but cheap guitar and a cheap effect pedal. If they really like playing that wi ...


The Ferrari is a silly analogy. An American Fender or G&L isn't going to kill your kid if they play a bad note, nor are they making it more likely that could happen. You hold cost down a little by buying used. Pedals do have a legitimate use for shaping sounds. Not everyone is hiding the fact that their licks are simple-minded and completely uninteresting the way the guy in U2 is, of course.
 
2012-10-16 02:03:50 PM

frepnog: They both have stock pickups, but money is tight and my arsenal tends to get wider, not better if that makes any sense.


wow, that is a terrible euphemism for "wife".


*Snerk* DAMN YOU!

/golf clap
 
2012-10-16 02:06:01 PM

forgotmydamnusername: Not everyone is hiding the fact that their licks are simple-minded and completely uninteresting the way the guy in U2 is, of course.


Speak for yourself!

I delude myself by saying that those simple minded parts serve the song without any unneeded flash or talent.
 
2012-10-17 10:24:21 AM
I'm actually with Skarekrough about not starting beginners out with shiat instruments if you or they can afford not to. There's no reason to "pay dues". Fark that. It's easier to sound good and generally less depressing and discouraging with a better-quality instrument.

I agree with this. There is a wide range of good quality, affordable instruments these days. Someone doesn't have to spend a ton money to get a decent instrument. A parent can take the risk of a kid not sticking with it and not break the bank. This wasn't always true. When I was a kid it took a lot of convincing to get my parents to buy my first bass. Because they were afraid I wouldn't stick with it.

--

On the other big topic..

Wood does matter when it comes to electric guitars. But once you plug the guitar in, all of the other things make a bigger difference. Pickups, amp, etc. The biggest thing you get by spending more money on an instrument, besides better wood is usually better craftsmanship. But even that isn't guaranteed.
 
2012-10-17 02:52:55 PM

forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless hippies.


interesting criticism,...being that your response is self-indulgent, poorly rehearsed, boring, and worthless.
 
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