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(SFGate)   Grateful Dead fan 3-D prints his ideal $3000 Jerry Garcia guitar with $3000 in plastic materials, says it sounds good, saving him from paying the $3000 to buy Jerry Garcia's guitar. $3000   (sfgate.com) divider line 98
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2012-10-15 09:31:13 PM  
Any bets on how long it is before you-know-who shows up here?
 
2012-10-15 09:45:46 PM  
What a long, strange trip that was
 
2012-10-15 09:57:10 PM  
Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.
 
2012-10-15 10:00:47 PM  
I can't imagine it sounds even half-way decent. Give us a video for proof! It would have been cool if it did explode like they thought though.
 
2012-10-15 10:02:11 PM  
Plastic guitar bodies sound like crap? Who knew?
 
2012-10-15 10:04:37 PM  

fusillade762: Any bets on how long it is before you-know-who shows up here?


blogpress.w18.net
 
2012-10-15 10:05:16 PM  

theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.


Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?
 
2012-10-15 10:08:31 PM  
domestikgoddess.com
 
2012-10-15 10:09:06 PM  
$3000 in just the plastic material? Ill stick with A top of the line wooden one thanks.
 
2012-10-15 10:11:39 PM  
Maybe I'm getting old, but I remember Jerry mostly playing a pair of Doug Irwin customs, which that looks nothing like.

I guess he was trying for a Martin D-18, like Jerry used on American Beauty & Workingman's Dead, but it still doesn't look like that either.

/Can't believe that I still remember that useless shiat.
//Haven't traded/downloaded (or listened to) Dead shows in over 15 years.
 
2012-10-15 10:14:26 PM  
"The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.
 
2012-10-15 10:26:26 PM  
So could you 3-d print a record?
 
2012-10-15 10:36:35 PM  

LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless hippies.
 
2012-10-15 10:37:20 PM  
Now if you could print up a 3-D Jerry Garcia to go with it I'd be impressed.
 
2012-10-15 10:37:44 PM  
electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.
 
2012-10-15 10:43:43 PM  

RogermcAllen: So could you 3-d print a record?


Totally. And the record player to go with it, and you could 3D print it while it's running *and* have it 3D print cables that go right to your stereo. You can put on your VR helmet to pass the time while it prints out.

(How will they 3D print inflated tires on 3D printed cars? Will I need to 3D print a foot pump to go with the car? Or will they pressurize the print chamber to 65PSI while printing the tires, then depressurize?)
 
2012-10-15 10:45:20 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: "The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.


Some techniques now allow for 3D printing of metal parts...

dl.dropbox.com

/Weren't you all over the article about the new airbus factory?
/They went over this quite a bit.
 
2012-10-15 10:47:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: "The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.


That was pretty funny. I'm watching two girls make out and doing some 3D printing of my own.
 
2012-10-15 10:52:18 PM  
Looks like you can print in Stainless Steel and Sterling Silver. Googling led me to http://www.shapeways.com/
 
2012-10-15 10:54:29 PM  
I can't wait to see what they 3d print next.
 
2012-10-15 10:55:46 PM  
The resonant properties of plastic are not pleasing. I know "plastic" is a huge umbrella that covers thousands of different chemicals but I'm sticking with it.
 
2012-10-15 10:56:43 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless hippies.


What did the deadhead say when the drugs wore off?
This band sucks.
 
2012-10-15 11:00:59 PM  

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


I think the wood does make some very minor difference, occasionally. Ditto certain construction details. The thing is, the drunks you'd typically play in front of won't hear it, and if you record, they process the sound to make it all "perfect". Also, the more you crank your amp, the less obvious any difference becomes. Practical difference wood or construction methods make so long as it's rigid enough to hold its tune? Zero. Also, a truly competent player can wring a satisfactory sound out of utter trash. I've seen guys get fairly good results with an entire rig that cost about the same as the cheapest guitar I own.
 
2012-10-15 11:01:08 PM  

Dazrin: I can't imagine it sounds even half-way decent. Give us a video for proof! It would have been cool if it did explode like they thought though.


If it were an acoustic or a hollow body electric, you'd be correct but tone for an solid body electric mainly comes from the amp, strings and pickups - there's very little resonance coming from the body of a solid electric guitar
 
2012-10-15 11:19:03 PM  

Dazrin: I can't imagine it sounds even half-way decent. Give us a video for proof! It would have been cool if it did explode like they thought though.


http://www.npr.org/2012/10/10/162650873/you-too-can-print-your-own-gu i tar
 
2012-10-15 11:22:47 PM  

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


Actually many different things affect the sound. The wood of the neck, the nut, the bridge, the bridge block, strings etc.

Pickups can't enhance what isn't there.

The tonal characteristics and density of the various materials matters greatly toward achieving the sound you're looking for.

A brass nut is going to sound brighter than a bone nut, a maple neck is going to sound better than ash, and a mahogany body is going to sound different than an alder one. 

A lot can be said for great pickups, but they aren't the only deciding factor.
 
2012-10-15 11:24:44 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel?


Powdered metal deposited by a sort of solid "ink jet" printer, sintered by laser or infused with bronze.

It sounds like this guy had fun playing with multiple 3D printing techniques, and may even have got some new ideas for his business. If I could afford to blow that kind of money, I would print even less useful objects.
 
2012-10-15 11:24:51 PM  

way south: /Weren't you all over the article about the new airbus factory?
/They went over this quite a bit.


Uh huh, look at the fit and finish there, Sparky.
 
2012-10-15 11:29:03 PM  

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.


The first one was little more than a 2x4 with pickups.
 
2012-10-15 11:29:28 PM  

pciszek: Powdered metal deposited by a sort of solid "ink jet" printer, sintered by laser or infused with bronze.


So, not "3D printing" at all, but a decades-old manufacturing technique? I grow weary of the constant "3D printing" hype that benefits the hucksters like Bre Pettis who did nothing at all. I mean, is squeezing a tube of Cake Mate considered "3D printing" now? I'm a genius if so. I just baked muffins with green icing. ERRR sorry, 3D printed muffins.
 
2012-10-15 11:29:50 PM  

LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


Ever walked through the Haight?
 
2012-10-15 11:37:32 PM  

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


It all depends on how much tin your ear is made out of I guess.

Compare the mids and highs of a Swamp Ash Telecaster with a maple neck to a mahogany-bodied Les Paul. Even if you went and did a direct swap of electrical components the Ash body is going to give you more highs and mids and the Paul will have more bass to it. Take a Jazz Bass from the 60's with an alder body and compare it to one from the 70's with Ash. Compare a fretless with an ebony board to one with rosewood. Look at someone like Jaco who used marine sealant on the board and found that it boosted the mids and highs.

I've spent 3K on a guitar and I've spent $200. I don't have any "pride" in what I own....they're all tools that serve a specific purpose; to have a different voice to suit my needs. I've owned, played, gigged, modified, rebuilt and sold enough new, used and vintage electrics over the years to know that if you can't hear the difference between Ash and Mahogany then you're not hearing the difference between someone like Roy Buchanan and Peter Greene, Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robert Cray and Warren Haynes.

Which is fine. Everyone is allowed to be an uneducated listener if they want to be.

As a kid I thought that electronics were the answer. I learned the hard and expensive way they they're not. You're not going to make a basswood-bodied guitar sound like a Les Paul just because you threw a set of 59's in there. You're not going to cop SRV's sound with a Telecaster, even if you replace both pickups with a set of Duncan Strat Antiquities. Change the pots all you want 250k, 500k, go ahead and toss in coil splitters and get into caps as well. Bumblebees? Orange Drops? Even with things modified like Peter Greene's famous tone it still is going to sound like an out of phase Les Paul.

The notion that wood quality doesn't play an integral part in the sound of electrics is absurd.
 
2012-10-15 11:38:20 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: way south: /Weren't you all over the article about the new airbus factory?
/They went over this quite a bit.

Uh huh, look at the fit and finish there, Sparky.


He printed the parts and they worked.
Because they don't come with a perfect finish its not additive manufacturing?

It sounds like you've 3D printed yourself a new goalpost to cover for not having a grasp of the subject.
 
2012-10-15 11:39:22 PM  

sage37: Dazrin: I can't imagine it sounds even half-way decent. Give us a video for proof! It would have been cool if it did explode like they thought though.

http://www.npr.org/2012/10/10/162650873/you-too-can-print-your-own-gu i tar


Thanks for the clip.
It was hard to tell by that recording, (even the announcers had cheap mics) but all things accounted for, that guitar sounded not so good.
It didn't even sound as good as a cheap $100 starter guitar by Yamaha or Fender.
 
2012-10-16 12:02:30 AM  

way south: It sounds like you've 3D printed yourself a new goalpost to cover for not having a grasp of the subject.


I think our next Internet Meme made real should be to chip in to buy QA a 3D printer. One that makes little silver starship models.
 
2012-10-16 12:10:51 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.

I think the wood does make some very minor difference, occasionally. Ditto certain construction details. The thing is, the drunks you'd typically play in front of won't hear it, and if you record, they process the sound to make it all "perfect". Also, the more you crank your amp, the less obvious any difference becomes. Practical difference wood or construction methods make so long as it's rigid enough to hold its tune? Zero. Also, a truly competent player can wring a satisfactory sound out of utter trash. I've seen guys get fairly good results with an entire rig that cost about the same as the cheapest guitar I own.


amen! my older brother is a pro keyboard man and teaches guitar. years ago he said to me: "Krispy, it aint the axe...it's the man standing behind it!"
 
2012-10-16 12:12:32 AM  
This thread lacks a certain manchot.
 
2012-10-16 12:14:11 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.


/some for decades....decades, man...
 
2012-10-16 01:15:02 AM  
I'm pretty sure he'd need a lot more than three grand to pay for the rehab bills because I think a person can develop a major drug dependency just by touching anything Garcia actually came into contract with.

For example, look at what happened to Whitney Houston. She caught one of Jerry's guitar picks when she saw the Dead at the Filmore, and... well.. You know how that ended.
 
2012-10-16 01:20:50 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...


Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

i234.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-16 01:55:14 AM  

theewhiterhino: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...

Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

[i234.photobucket.com image 360x476]


Who's trolling? I don't care whether you respond or not. I'm serious as a heart attack. Ever see all the patchouli-reeking lames following them around? Ever hear the songs disintegrating into endless, aimless noodling that didn't work? They were about the last of the '60s San Francisco bands to get signed to a recording contract, and there was clearly a reason for it.
 
2012-10-16 02:00:53 AM  

Skarekrough: KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.

It all depends on how much tin your ear is made out of I guess.

Compare the mids and highs of a Swamp Ash Telecaster with a maple neck to a mahogany-bodied Les Paul. Even if you went and did a direct swap of electrical components the Ash body is going to give you more highs and mids and the Paul will have more bass to it. Take a Jazz Bass from the 60's with an alder body and compare it to one from the 70's with Ash. Compare a fretless with an ebony board to one with rosewood. Look at someone like Jaco who used marine sealant on the board and found that it boosted the mids and highs.

I've spent 3K on a guitar and I've spent $200. I don't have any "pride" in what I own....they're all tools that serve a specific purpose; to have a different voice to suit my needs. I've owned, played, gigged, modified, rebuilt and sold enough new, used and vintage electrics over the years to know that if you can't hear the difference between Ash and Mahogany then you're not hearing the difference between someone like Roy Buchanan and Peter Greene, Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robert Cray and Warren Haynes.

Which is fine. Everyone is allowed to be an uneducated listener if they want to be.

As a kid I thought that electronics were the answer. I learned the hard and expensive way they they're not. You're not going to make a basswood-bodied guitar sound like a Les Paul just because you threw a set of ...


Y'all are forgetting one very important factor: Scale length. While I won't dismiss tone variance with differences in wood, the main reason that your Tele can't sound like your Paul even with the same components is the harmonic difference between a 25.5" string vibrating and a 24.75" string. If you retrofitted a Fender Cyclone with the guts of a Les Paul you would get closer(but not too close).

Yeah, the drunks at the bar don't care much about tone, but as someone who isn't gigging anymore I find myself playing to the tone of the guitar in style and technique rather than trying to force fit the tone of the guitar.
 
2012-10-16 02:06:08 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: theewhiterhino: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...

Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

[i234.photobucket.com image 360x476]

Who's trolling? I don't care whether you respond or not. I'm serious as a heart attack. Ever see all the patchouli-reeking lames following them around? Ever hear the songs disintegrating into endless, aimless noodling that didn't work? They were about the last of the '60s San Francisco bands to get signed to a recording contract, and there was clearly a reason for it.


Yep. Saw them repeatedly from 1977 until a month before Jerry passed. And I enjoyed it. Sorry you didn't..

You sound like you need to relax. Might stave off that heart attack of which you speak.

Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile!
i234.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-16 02:29:51 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: "The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.


Yes you can 3d print damn near any material on the planet. Its expensive and usually has lesser strength qualities compared to traditional methods, but yes you can print them.
 
2012-10-16 02:54:45 AM  
My parents and boss love the grateful dead.
My mom was at a show while pregnant with me in 88 and shined a crystal over me while either bob or phil looked her in the eyes. I never went to another dead concert until around three years ago with my boss, mom (their old friends) and coworkers. They made fun of me and the other people who went because we didn't dance.
/no point to my csb
//first time and only i smoked openly in front of my mom.
///really wished I could've toured with them but I probably wouldn't have survived birth back in the fifties.
 
2012-10-16 02:55:21 AM  

theorellior: way south: It sounds like you've 3D printed yourself a new goalpost to cover for not having a grasp of the subject.

I think our next Internet Meme made real should be to chip in to buy QA a 3D printer. One that makes little silver starship models.


Along with a certificate that says we could have donated all that money to researching immortality, but didn't.
 
2012-10-16 02:55:48 AM  
THEY'RE
checked twice I swear.
 
2012-10-16 02:59:58 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: theewhiterhino: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...

Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

[i234.photobucket.com image 360x476]

Who's trolling? I don't care whether you respond or not. I'm serious as a heart attack. Ever see all the patchouli-reeking lames following them around? Ever hear the songs disintegrating into endless, aimless noodling that didn't work? They were about the last of the '60s San Francisco bands to get signed to a recording contract, and there was clearly a reason for it.


Actually, they were one of the first to be signed. After the Autumn Records' bands (Beau Brummels, Bobby Freeman, Great Society, Vejtables, Mojo Men, etc.), Jefferson Airplane was the first of the second wave (RCA), and quickly followed by the Dead (Warner Bros.) and Country Joe & the Fish (Vanguard). Surrealistic Pillow, Grateful Dead, and Electric Music for the Mind and Body were released almost simultaneously, before Big Brother's or Qucksilver's 1st albums.
 
2012-10-16 03:00:13 AM  

Devmapall: My parents and boss love the grateful dead.
My mom was at a show while pregnant with me in 88 and shined a crystal over me while either bob or phil looked her in the eyes. I never went to another dead concert until around three years ago with my boss, mom (their old friends) and coworkers. They made fun of me and the other people who went because we didn't dance.
/no point to my csb
//first time and only i smoked openly in front of my mom.
///really wished I could've toured with them but I probably wouldn't have survived birth back in the fifties.


if you went 3 years ago, you didn't see the dead.

/too bad they couldn't 3D print jerry a finger.
 
2012-10-16 03:19:01 AM  
Eleven posts. Who had eleven posts in the pool?
 
2012-10-16 03:20:35 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Devmapall: My parents and boss love the grateful dead.
My mom was at a show while pregnant with me in 88 and shined a crystal over me while either bob or phil looked her in the eyes. I never went to another dead concert until around three years ago with my boss, mom (their old friends) and coworkers. They made fun of me and the other people who went because we didn't dance.
/no point to my csb
//first time and only i smoked openly in front of my mom.
///really wished I could've toured with them but I probably wouldn't have survived birth back in the fifties.

if you went 3 years ago, you didn't see the dead.

/too bad they couldn't 3D print jerry a finger.


yeah... I know. It was fun and free. I don't consider myself a deadhead at all but do like their music.
/Used to record the dead hour every time it aired for my mom. I kinda miss actual tapes.
Is that show still on?
 
2012-10-16 04:49:15 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: pciszek: Powdered metal deposited by a sort of solid "ink jet" printer, sintered by laser or infused with bronze.

So, not "3D printing" at all, but a decades-old manufacturing technique? I grow weary of the constant "3D printing" hype that benefits the hucksters like Bre Pettis who did nothing at all. I mean, is squeezing a tube of Cake Mate considered "3D printing" now? I'm a genius if so. I just baked muffins with green icing. ERRR sorry, 3D printed muffins.


You know, as crazy as it is, I do understand where you're coming from regarding your space nuttery. Some people do have a fantastical notion of driving to Alpha Centauri in space cars at warp 9, not nearly enough people to warrant your level of anger and thread shiatting, but at least I can imagine that's who you think you're fighting in your crusade. Also I know you've got that terminal illness and your nurses are expensive, so you'd rather all scientific endeavour was poured into finding cures for you and extending your life, like that Nazi guy in "Bullet Proof Monk", which is how I picture you, btw, so naturally you hate any notion of researching space and space travel.

...but 3d printing? Granted that's a bit of a diverse field and a buzzword catch-all name, but really? All it is is taking a printer, like in an office, to which I assume you're not averse, and making them 'print' things in three dimensions. Simply put. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with it. Pray explain to me.

Wait, in a rare moment of clarity I think I get it. Both suffer from people oversimplifying them, making them seem simple and possible to do miracles with and solve all the world's problems, so you make it your mission to bring everyone down, rather than letting strangers on the internet dream. Is that it?
 
2012-10-16 05:49:15 AM  

Slaxl:

Wait, in a rare moment of clarity I think I get it. Both suffer from people oversimplifying them, making them seem simple and possible to do miracles with and solve all the world's problems, so you make it your mission to bring everyone down, rather than letting strangers on the internet dream. Is that it?


Hey, every time a stranger dreams the secret of immortality is taken from the mind of a scientist. It works on the same principle as how god kills a kitten every time someone faps.
 
2012-10-16 06:03:41 AM  
LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


I hate them because they never played NYE outside of the Bay area (save ONCE), and likewise never really played small and/or beautiful venues except in the same locale.
 
2012-10-16 07:01:20 AM  
I'm 3-D printing some poop as I read these comments.

/Will sell for $3000
 
2012-10-16 08:19:23 AM  

theorellior: way south: It sounds like you've 3D printed yourself a new goalpost to cover for not having a grasp of the subject.

I think our next Internet Meme made real should be to chip in to buy QA a 3D printer. One that only makes little silver starship models.


FTFY

Neondistraction: Along with a certificate that says we could have donated all that money to researching immortality, but didn't.


If it was a 3D printed metal plate on the front that said that I`d have some money to put in.
 
2012-10-16 08:31:00 AM  
Structural integrity and quality of finish seem to be issues that some people have with 3D printing. As long as you are aware of the limitations of the material then you just work with a reduced set of possible products. Hybrid products combining many methods of construction would seem to be the most flexible and cheapest way of making products.

For finishing, just make a 3D printer with a set of finishing tools. Grinders, buffers, chrome platers etc then the finish of the product is top rate. Of course, most people wouldn`t have one of those in the garage similar to the way most people don`t have a CNC milling machine in the garage today...
 
2012-10-16 08:32:19 AM  
what does a Windows test print look like on a 3D printer?

cdn.jarederickson.com
 
2012-10-16 08:34:55 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: Who's trolling


posting on fark: automatically trolling

/troll
 
2012-10-16 08:41:24 AM  

pciszek: KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

The first one was little more than a 2x4 with pickups.


A railroad tie, supposedly.
 
2012-10-16 08:44:17 AM  
What a 3000 guitar might look like:

thewowjonesreport.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-16 08:49:20 AM  

Slaxl: Wait, in a rare moment of clarity I think I get it. Both suffer from people oversimplifying them, making them seem simple and possible to do miracles with and solve all the world's problems, so you make it your mission to bring everyone down, rather than letting strangers on the internet dream. Is that it?


His parents were crushed before his very eyes by a piece of 3D-printed space debris. A traumatic incident that has left his heart void of everything save bitterness and resentment.

=Smidge=
 
2012-10-16 08:55:01 AM  

Skarekrough: The notion that wood quality doesn't play an integral part in the sound of electrics is absurd.


while you make good points and I am sure your experience has taught you all this...

you still sound like one of those crazy audiophiles that claim that taping magic rocks to your cables actually makes a damn bit of difference. OF COURSE build quality and materials affects the sound of a guitar, but it is SERIOUSLY less about what the guitar is made of and mostly about the talent of the person playing it. Slash could take a shiatty guitar from Wal-Mart and tune it and then play Sweet Child of Mine and it would still sound like Slash playing Sweet Child of Mine even tho I am pretty sure those Wal-Mart guitars are made of pressboard or dead Swedish porn stars or something.
 
2012-10-16 09:02:04 AM  
yeah but where can u get the gold for your 3D printed monster cables
 
2012-10-16 09:04:58 AM  

moothemagiccow: forgotmydamnusername: Who's trolling

posting on fark: automatically trolling

/troll


-4/10 Real trolls nevar EVAR admit to trolling. Evar. Especially not in their profile.
 
2012-10-16 09:06:49 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: yeah but where can u get the gold for your 3D printed monster cables



you just buy a new printer - far cheaper than buying new gold cartridges.
 
2012-10-16 09:16:32 AM  
"It's sort of this salad bar of 3-D printing,"

WTF does that mean?
 
2012-10-16 09:34:07 AM  

frepnog: Skarekrough: The notion that wood quality doesn't play an integral part in the sound of electrics is absurd.

while you make good points and I am sure your experience has taught you all this...

you still sound like one of those crazy audiophiles that claim that taping magic rocks to your cables actually makes a damn bit of difference. OF COURSE build quality and materials affects the sound of a guitar, but it is SERIOUSLY less about what the guitar is made of and mostly about the talent of the person playing it. Slash could take a shiatty guitar from Wal-Mart and tune it and then play Sweet Child of Mine and it would still sound like Slash playing Sweet Child of Mine even tho I am pretty sure those Wal-Mart guitars are made of pressboard or dead Swedish porn stars or something.


I'm blessed to be involved with players, musicians and collectors who are competent as players. But I'm also very aware that when you have a kid who's learning and put the wrong tools in his hand they're not going to advance in the same manner as someone who gets the right tool from the start. While talent is innate and skill is learned both of those factors can be exponentially furthered by putting the right instrument in their hands to begin with and not having them mess around with trying to make something sound like something else.

I don't consider myself crazy as much as I am informed and educated and having spent an inordinate amount of time playing some fantastic and some terrible instruments over the years. Not all cheap guitars are terrible and not all expensive guitars are great. In large part the hands of the player is as much a contributor as is the wood, pickups, amp, etc. It's all part of the equation.

For some kid getting started I will agree that it's more important to get him up and playing rather than worry about having the right tool 100% of the time. Matter of fact I almost prefer that as it will create an educated consumer. They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?" They learn the answers through research and playing. They buy, get experience and become educated over time.

But when you strip it all down....were talking guitar, cord, tube amp....that's where you hear it all in its very naked glory. That's the foundation upon which you're building, which is what I'm talking about.
 
2012-10-16 09:36:51 AM  

frepnog: even tho I am pretty sure those Wal-Mart guitars are made of pressboard or dead Swedish porn stars or something.


Hey, man, the sustain you get from dead Swedish porn stars is a thing of beauty.
 
2012-10-16 09:39:17 AM  

LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


Easily, lots of people do.
 
2012-10-16 09:42:48 AM  

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


You can't tell the difference between a guitar with a basswood body and a mahogany one?
 
2012-10-16 09:47:12 AM  

olfhq: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easily, lots of people do.


yeah, me for one. can't stand that shiatty hippy crap.

Skarekrough: They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?"


because you don't have the right pedal, of course. I am not the most proficient player, but ran thru a Korg pedal I had a damn Squire Strat that when played thru that pedal could sound like satan rising from the pit. it could emulate a metallica sound, a death metal sound and just about anything inbetween. On a crappy Squire strat.

seriously. a good quality guitar doesn't need to be made of unobtanium to sound great. also - give a kid a cheap guitar. if that kid is serious about learning to play then that kid will play. there is no need to give a kid a guitar that costs over a couple hundred dollars, "right tool" be damned. once that kid has learned to play then we can move on to better instruments.
 
2012-10-16 10:33:32 AM  
I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat, got it on the cheap in '96, as new models were coming out, dealer needed it to go. Was absolutely stunned how well it played, how well it sounded. I had to have it, but couldn't pull the trigger. A few days later, stopped in to play it again...it was gone. I played every freakin' Strat in the store, all the way up to an American Standard that was way out of my price range. Nope. None of them sounded like "mine", none of them felt as good. Devastated. Turned out the wife snuck in and bought it for me as a birthday gift. I know, CSB. Moral of the story, if you're buying a guitar, play several...different price ranges, different brands. If you like one...it's a good guitar. Don't over analyze it.
 
2012-10-16 10:45:17 AM  

Rickenbacker: I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat,


Why do you hate America?

/ kidding
 
2012-10-16 10:56:30 AM  

Neondistraction: Rickenbacker: I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat,

Why do you hate America?

/ kidding


LOL. I'm a cheap bastard. If I had money, I would have went for a real '57 Strat.
 
2012-10-16 11:12:48 AM  

Rickenbacker: Neondistraction: Rickenbacker: I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat,

Why do you hate America?

/ kidding

LOL. I'm a cheap bastard. If I had money, I would have went for a real '57 Strat.


I've got an 80's made in Japan Squire Tele that I wouldn't trade for anything. Someone gave it to me after I saw it sitting in their closet with no strings and no input jack. Some simple wiring, an easy set up later and I have an awesome guitar that won't go out of tune everytime I set it down. And it sounds amazing! I play it as much as I play my PRS Custom 24, although that is comparing apples to oranges. I guess my point is that, as someone mentioned earlier, you have to play many guitars and pick out the one that 'feels right'.
 
2012-10-16 11:29:48 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore


But so are you and nobody hates you. They just ignore your stupidity
 
2012-10-16 11:35:39 AM  

stupiddream: Rickenbacker: Neondistraction: Rickenbacker: I don't get the 3D printing thing. It's not printing, it's a miniature metal shop in a box. It's fun to watch, I guess, but is it going to be practical?

Now, back to guitars. So many variables in guitars. I have a '57 reissue Strat. A Japanese Strat,

Why do you hate America?

/ kidding

LOL. I'm a cheap bastard. If I had money, I would have went for a real '57 Strat.

I've got an 80's made in Japan Squire Tele that I wouldn't trade for anything. Someone gave it to me after I saw it sitting in their closet with no strings and no input jack. Some simple wiring, an easy set up later and I have an awesome guitar that won't go out of tune everytime I set it down. And it sounds amazing! I play it as much as I play my PRS Custom 24, although that is comparing apples to oranges. I guess my point is that, as someone mentioned earlier, you have to play many guitars and pick out the one that 'feels right'.


Exactly! My BIL has a hell of a collection...SRV Strat, Yngwie Strat, Music Man EVH, a bunch of high end stuff. He loves to play my Strat. Once in a while, you just get lucky and find a gem.
 
2012-10-16 11:44:33 AM  
Before you all start panicking, let me remind you that glock pistols are made from plastic.
 
2012-10-16 11:46:27 AM  

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


I'll go you one further, and posit that plastic acoustic guitars can sound great. Mario Maccaferri of Selmer Guitar fame (Django Reinhardt's favorite) made beautiful f-top and d-hole jazz guitars almost entirely out of plastic. Only the tuning heads, nut, truss rod, and the neck mounting were made of aluminum. Link

These were high-quality professional-grade instruments, that were impervious to humidity (heat, not so much). The tone is pleasing, although distinct from wood. You can still find them in rare guitar stores, but be careful, the arch tops on some have settled inward over time, and can change the intonation and action.

I have had two of them, and while one was better than the other, both were great sounding plastic acoustic instruments.
 
2012-10-16 11:52:45 AM  

olfhq: You can't tell the difference between a guitar with a basswood body and a mahogany one?


Um... the basswood one sounds lower? :)
 
2012-10-16 11:57:56 AM  
Look at what I just printed....

www.jedistar.com
 
2012-10-16 11:58:29 AM  

KrispyKritter: "Krispy, it aint the axe...it's the man standing behind it!"


LOL, I agree. I have a friend who has played with a lot of known acts. Buddy Guy once told him, "Kid, it's not who you've played with, it's who played with you!"
 
2012-10-16 12:19:15 PM  

Valarius: Before you all start panicking, let me remind you that glock pistols are made from plastic.


Yeah, but the tone...it's just not the same, man.
 
2012-10-16 12:41:23 PM  
I have an American Standard Strat with a maple neck and one from just a few years later with rosewood, and let me tell you the difference is vast.

/one has a chrome red finish, the other is chrome blue
//bah-dum-tsss
 
2012-10-16 12:48:49 PM  
Dammit I meant fretboard, not neck.

Don't post while distracted.
 
2012-10-16 01:04:45 PM  

CMYK and PMS: forgotmydamnusername: Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore

But so are you and nobody hates you. They just ignore your stupidity


When I do it, it's called "practice". If I decide to be inconsiderate and turn my amp up too much, the neighbors may be forced to listen. I certainly don't have the brass to be charging admission for that.
 
2012-10-16 01:18:06 PM  

frepnog: olfhq: Skarekrough: They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?"

because you don't have the right pedal, of course. I am not the most proficient player, but ran thru a Korg pedal I had a damn Squire Strat that when played thru that pedal could sound like satan rising from the pit. it could emulate a metallica sound, a death metal sound and just about anything inbetween. On a crappy Squire strat.

seriously. a good quality guitar doesn't need to be made of unobtanium to sound great. also - give a kid a cheap guitar. if that kid is serious about learning to play then that kid will play. there is no need to give a kid a guitar that costs over a couple hundred dollars, "right tool" be damned. once that kid has learned to play then we can move on to better instruments.


Yeah, you can hide shiat under pedals quite well. Ask the Sludge or whatever that fark in U2 calls himself. I'm actually with Skarekrough about not starting beginners out with shiat instruments if you or they can afford not to. There's no reason to "pay dues". Fark that. It's easier to sound good and generally less depressing and discouraging with a better-quality instrument.
 
2012-10-16 01:25:57 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: frepnog: olfhq: Skarekrough: They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?"

because you don't have the right pedal, of course. I am not the most proficient player, but ran thru a Korg pedal I had a damn Squire Strat that when played thru that pedal could sound like satan rising from the pit. it could emulate a metallica sound, a death metal sound and just about anything inbetween. On a crappy Squire strat.

seriously. a good quality guitar doesn't need to be made of unobtanium to sound great. also - give a kid a cheap guitar. if that kid is serious about learning to play then that kid will play. there is no need to give a kid a guitar that costs over a couple hundred dollars, "right tool" be damned. once that kid has learned to play then we can move on to better instruments.

Yeah, you can hide shiat under pedals quite well. Ask the Sludge or whatever that fark in U2 calls himself. I'm actually with Skarekrough about not starting beginners out with shiat instruments if you or they can afford not to. There's no reason to "pay dues". Fark that. It's easier to sound good and generally less depressing and discouraging with a better-quality instrument.


i dunno. on kids, i am firmly against buying a kid an expensive instrument to learn on. mostly because kids are fickle and there is no sense in paying 1500 bucks for a "good" guitar that might not get played more than a few times. you wouldn't buy a kid a Ferrari to learn to drive, would you? Even tho that Ferrari would be much more fun to drive than mom's old Taurus.

As far as "hiding shiat under pedals" i don't know of any concert playing rock musicians that go onstage with no sort of pedal. If SRV or Satriani play a guitar plugged into an amp with nothing but the wire ... well, they are masters, but I bet they still used stomp boxes.

You want a kid to keep playing buy him or her a decent but cheap guitar and a cheap effect pedal. If they really like playing that will keep them going.
 
2012-10-16 01:46:55 PM  

Thelyphthoric: I have an American Standard Strat with a maple neck and one from just a few years later with rosewood, and let me tell you the difference is vast.

/one has a chrome red finish, the other is chrome blue
//bah-dum-tsss


So which do you like better?

(Have an '89 Strat Plus w/ rosewood fretboard.)
 
2012-10-16 01:48:21 PM  

theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.


Alrighty then. I'll let you get back to your One Direction albums and never speak of them again.

/douche
 
2012-10-16 01:52:35 PM  

dryknife: Thelyphthoric: I have an American Standard Strat with a maple neck and one from just a few years later with rosewood, and let me tell you the difference is vast.

/one has a chrome red finish, the other is chrome blue
//bah-dum-tsss

So which do you like better?

(Have an '89 Strat Plus w/ rosewood fretboard.)


The red with maple fretboard, but mostly because it has a better setup on string height and doesn't have a GR-1 pickup on it. If my guitar synth was working (I think it's just the power supply) I'd play the other more, at least for keyboard parts.

They both have stock pickups, but money is tight and my arsenal tends to get wider, not better if that makes any sense.
 
2012-10-16 01:55:50 PM  

Thelyphthoric: dryknife: Thelyphthoric: I have an American Standard Strat with a maple neck and one from just a few years later with rosewood, and let me tell you the difference is vast.

/one has a chrome red finish, the other is chrome blue
//bah-dum-tsss

So which do you like better?

(Have an '89 Strat Plus w/ rosewood fretboard.)

The red with maple fretboard, but mostly because it has a better setup on string height and doesn't have a GR-1 pickup on it. If my guitar synth was working (I think it's just the power supply) I'd play the other more, at least for keyboard parts.

They both have stock pickups, but money is tight and my arsenal tends to get wider, not better if that makes any sense.



wow, that is a terrible euphemism for "wife".
 
2012-10-16 01:58:39 PM  

frepnog: forgotmydamnusername: frepnog: olfhq: Skarekrough: They'll ask "Why doesn't my MIM Strat sound like a Flying V?"

because you don't have the right pedal, of course. I am not the most proficient player, but ran thru a Korg pedal I had a damn Squire Strat that when played thru that pedal could sound like satan rising from the pit. it could emulate a metallica sound, a death metal sound and just about anything inbetween. On a crappy Squire strat.

seriously. a good quality guitar doesn't need to be made of unobtanium to sound great. also - give a kid a cheap guitar. if that kid is serious about learning to play then that kid will play. there is no need to give a kid a guitar that costs over a couple hundred dollars, "right tool" be damned. once that kid has learned to play then we can move on to better instruments.

Yeah, you can hide shiat under pedals quite well. Ask the Sludge or whatever that fark in U2 calls himself. I'm actually with Skarekrough about not starting beginners out with shiat instruments if you or they can afford not to. There's no reason to "pay dues". Fark that. It's easier to sound good and generally less depressing and discouraging with a better-quality instrument.

i dunno. on kids, i am firmly against buying a kid an expensive instrument to learn on. mostly because kids are fickle and there is no sense in paying 1500 bucks for a "good" guitar that might not get played more than a few times. you wouldn't buy a kid a Ferrari to learn to drive, would you? Even tho that Ferrari would be much more fun to drive than mom's old Taurus.

As far as "hiding shiat under pedals" i don't know of any concert playing rock musicians that go onstage with no sort of pedal. If SRV or Satriani play a guitar plugged into an amp with nothing but the wire ... well, they are masters, but I bet they still used stomp boxes.

You want a kid to keep playing buy him or her a decent but cheap guitar and a cheap effect pedal. If they really like playing that wi ...


The Ferrari is a silly analogy. An American Fender or G&L isn't going to kill your kid if they play a bad note, nor are they making it more likely that could happen. You hold cost down a little by buying used. Pedals do have a legitimate use for shaping sounds. Not everyone is hiding the fact that their licks are simple-minded and completely uninteresting the way the guy in U2 is, of course.
 
2012-10-16 02:03:50 PM  

frepnog: They both have stock pickups, but money is tight and my arsenal tends to get wider, not better if that makes any sense.


wow, that is a terrible euphemism for "wife".


*Snerk* DAMN YOU!

/golf clap
 
2012-10-16 02:06:01 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Not everyone is hiding the fact that their licks are simple-minded and completely uninteresting the way the guy in U2 is, of course.


Speak for yourself!

I delude myself by saying that those simple minded parts serve the song without any unneeded flash or talent.
 
2012-10-17 10:24:21 AM  
I'm actually with Skarekrough about not starting beginners out with shiat instruments if you or they can afford not to. There's no reason to "pay dues". Fark that. It's easier to sound good and generally less depressing and discouraging with a better-quality instrument.

I agree with this. There is a wide range of good quality, affordable instruments these days. Someone doesn't have to spend a ton money to get a decent instrument. A parent can take the risk of a kid not sticking with it and not break the bank. This wasn't always true. When I was a kid it took a lot of convincing to get my parents to buy my first bass. Because they were afraid I wouldn't stick with it.

--

On the other big topic..

Wood does matter when it comes to electric guitars. But once you plug the guitar in, all of the other things make a bigger difference. Pickups, amp, etc. The biggest thing you get by spending more money on an instrument, besides better wood is usually better craftsmanship. But even that isn't guaranteed.
 
2012-10-17 02:52:55 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless hippies.


interesting criticism,...being that your response is self-indulgent, poorly rehearsed, boring, and worthless.
 
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