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(SFGate)   Grateful Dead fan 3-D prints his ideal $3000 Jerry Garcia guitar with $3000 in plastic materials, says it sounds good, saving him from paying the $3000 to buy Jerry Garcia's guitar. $3000   (sfgate.com) divider line 98
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2012-10-15 09:31:13 PM
Any bets on how long it is before you-know-who shows up here?
 
2012-10-15 09:45:46 PM
What a long, strange trip that was
 
2012-10-15 09:57:10 PM
Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.
 
2012-10-15 10:00:47 PM
I can't imagine it sounds even half-way decent. Give us a video for proof! It would have been cool if it did explode like they thought though.
 
2012-10-15 10:02:11 PM
Plastic guitar bodies sound like crap? Who knew?
 
2012-10-15 10:04:37 PM

fusillade762: Any bets on how long it is before you-know-who shows up here?


blogpress.w18.net
 
2012-10-15 10:05:16 PM

theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.


Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?
 
2012-10-15 10:08:31 PM
domestikgoddess.com
 
2012-10-15 10:09:06 PM
$3000 in just the plastic material? Ill stick with A top of the line wooden one thanks.
 
2012-10-15 10:11:39 PM
Maybe I'm getting old, but I remember Jerry mostly playing a pair of Doug Irwin customs, which that looks nothing like.

I guess he was trying for a Martin D-18, like Jerry used on American Beauty & Workingman's Dead, but it still doesn't look like that either.

/Can't believe that I still remember that useless shiat.
//Haven't traded/downloaded (or listened to) Dead shows in over 15 years.
 
2012-10-15 10:14:26 PM
"The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.
 
2012-10-15 10:26:26 PM
So could you 3-d print a record?
 
2012-10-15 10:36:35 PM

LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless hippies.
 
2012-10-15 10:37:20 PM
Now if you could print up a 3-D Jerry Garcia to go with it I'd be impressed.
 
2012-10-15 10:37:44 PM
electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.
 
2012-10-15 10:43:43 PM

RogermcAllen: So could you 3-d print a record?


Totally. And the record player to go with it, and you could 3D print it while it's running *and* have it 3D print cables that go right to your stereo. You can put on your VR helmet to pass the time while it prints out.

(How will they 3D print inflated tires on 3D printed cars? Will I need to 3D print a foot pump to go with the car? Or will they pressurize the print chamber to 65PSI while printing the tires, then depressurize?)
 
2012-10-15 10:45:20 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: "The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.


Some techniques now allow for 3D printing of metal parts...

dl.dropbox.com

/Weren't you all over the article about the new airbus factory?
/They went over this quite a bit.
 
2012-10-15 10:47:07 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: "The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.


That was pretty funny. I'm watching two girls make out and doing some 3D printing of my own.
 
2012-10-15 10:52:18 PM
Looks like you can print in Stainless Steel and Sterling Silver. Googling led me to http://www.shapeways.com/
 
2012-10-15 10:54:29 PM
I can't wait to see what they 3d print next.
 
2012-10-15 10:55:46 PM
The resonant properties of plastic are not pleasing. I know "plastic" is a huge umbrella that covers thousands of different chemicals but I'm sticking with it.
 
2012-10-15 10:56:43 PM

forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless hippies.


What did the deadhead say when the drugs wore off?
This band sucks.
 
2012-10-15 11:00:59 PM

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


I think the wood does make some very minor difference, occasionally. Ditto certain construction details. The thing is, the drunks you'd typically play in front of won't hear it, and if you record, they process the sound to make it all "perfect". Also, the more you crank your amp, the less obvious any difference becomes. Practical difference wood or construction methods make so long as it's rigid enough to hold its tune? Zero. Also, a truly competent player can wring a satisfactory sound out of utter trash. I've seen guys get fairly good results with an entire rig that cost about the same as the cheapest guitar I own.
 
2012-10-15 11:01:08 PM

Dazrin: I can't imagine it sounds even half-way decent. Give us a video for proof! It would have been cool if it did explode like they thought though.


If it were an acoustic or a hollow body electric, you'd be correct but tone for an solid body electric mainly comes from the amp, strings and pickups - there's very little resonance coming from the body of a solid electric guitar
 
2012-10-15 11:19:03 PM

Dazrin: I can't imagine it sounds even half-way decent. Give us a video for proof! It would have been cool if it did explode like they thought though.


http://www.npr.org/2012/10/10/162650873/you-too-can-print-your-own-gu i tar
 
2012-10-15 11:22:47 PM

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


Actually many different things affect the sound. The wood of the neck, the nut, the bridge, the bridge block, strings etc.

Pickups can't enhance what isn't there.

The tonal characteristics and density of the various materials matters greatly toward achieving the sound you're looking for.

A brass nut is going to sound brighter than a bone nut, a maple neck is going to sound better than ash, and a mahogany body is going to sound different than an alder one. 

A lot can be said for great pickups, but they aren't the only deciding factor.
 
2012-10-15 11:24:44 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel?


Powdered metal deposited by a sort of solid "ink jet" printer, sintered by laser or infused with bronze.

It sounds like this guy had fun playing with multiple 3D printing techniques, and may even have got some new ideas for his business. If I could afford to blow that kind of money, I would print even less useful objects.
 
2012-10-15 11:24:51 PM

way south: /Weren't you all over the article about the new airbus factory?
/They went over this quite a bit.


Uh huh, look at the fit and finish there, Sparky.
 
2012-10-15 11:29:03 PM

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.


The first one was little more than a 2x4 with pickups.
 
2012-10-15 11:29:28 PM

pciszek: Powdered metal deposited by a sort of solid "ink jet" printer, sintered by laser or infused with bronze.


So, not "3D printing" at all, but a decades-old manufacturing technique? I grow weary of the constant "3D printing" hype that benefits the hucksters like Bre Pettis who did nothing at all. I mean, is squeezing a tube of Cake Mate considered "3D printing" now? I'm a genius if so. I just baked muffins with green icing. ERRR sorry, 3D printed muffins.
 
2012-10-15 11:29:50 PM

LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?


Ever walked through the Haight?
 
2012-10-15 11:37:32 PM

KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.


It all depends on how much tin your ear is made out of I guess.

Compare the mids and highs of a Swamp Ash Telecaster with a maple neck to a mahogany-bodied Les Paul. Even if you went and did a direct swap of electrical components the Ash body is going to give you more highs and mids and the Paul will have more bass to it. Take a Jazz Bass from the 60's with an alder body and compare it to one from the 70's with Ash. Compare a fretless with an ebony board to one with rosewood. Look at someone like Jaco who used marine sealant on the board and found that it boosted the mids and highs.

I've spent 3K on a guitar and I've spent $200. I don't have any "pride" in what I own....they're all tools that serve a specific purpose; to have a different voice to suit my needs. I've owned, played, gigged, modified, rebuilt and sold enough new, used and vintage electrics over the years to know that if you can't hear the difference between Ash and Mahogany then you're not hearing the difference between someone like Roy Buchanan and Peter Greene, Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robert Cray and Warren Haynes.

Which is fine. Everyone is allowed to be an uneducated listener if they want to be.

As a kid I thought that electronics were the answer. I learned the hard and expensive way they they're not. You're not going to make a basswood-bodied guitar sound like a Les Paul just because you threw a set of 59's in there. You're not going to cop SRV's sound with a Telecaster, even if you replace both pickups with a set of Duncan Strat Antiquities. Change the pots all you want 250k, 500k, go ahead and toss in coil splitters and get into caps as well. Bumblebees? Orange Drops? Even with things modified like Peter Greene's famous tone it still is going to sound like an out of phase Les Paul.

The notion that wood quality doesn't play an integral part in the sound of electrics is absurd.
 
2012-10-15 11:38:20 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: way south: /Weren't you all over the article about the new airbus factory?
/They went over this quite a bit.

Uh huh, look at the fit and finish there, Sparky.


He printed the parts and they worked.
Because they don't come with a perfect finish its not additive manufacturing?

It sounds like you've 3D printed yourself a new goalpost to cover for not having a grasp of the subject.
 
2012-10-15 11:39:22 PM

sage37: Dazrin: I can't imagine it sounds even half-way decent. Give us a video for proof! It would have been cool if it did explode like they thought though.

http://www.npr.org/2012/10/10/162650873/you-too-can-print-your-own-gu i tar


Thanks for the clip.
It was hard to tell by that recording, (even the announcers had cheap mics) but all things accounted for, that guitar sounded not so good.
It didn't even sound as good as a cheap $100 starter guitar by Yamaha or Fender.
 
2012-10-16 12:02:30 AM

way south: It sounds like you've 3D printed yourself a new goalpost to cover for not having a grasp of the subject.


I think our next Internet Meme made real should be to chip in to buy QA a 3D printer. One that makes little silver starship models.
 
2012-10-16 12:10:51 AM

forgotmydamnusername: KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.

I think the wood does make some very minor difference, occasionally. Ditto certain construction details. The thing is, the drunks you'd typically play in front of won't hear it, and if you record, they process the sound to make it all "perfect". Also, the more you crank your amp, the less obvious any difference becomes. Practical difference wood or construction methods make so long as it's rigid enough to hold its tune? Zero. Also, a truly competent player can wring a satisfactory sound out of utter trash. I've seen guys get fairly good results with an entire rig that cost about the same as the cheapest guitar I own.


amen! my older brother is a pro keyboard man and teaches guitar. years ago he said to me: "Krispy, it aint the axe...it's the man standing behind it!"
 
2012-10-16 12:12:32 AM
This thread lacks a certain manchot.
 
2012-10-16 12:14:11 AM

forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.


/some for decades....decades, man...
 
2012-10-16 01:15:02 AM
I'm pretty sure he'd need a lot more than three grand to pay for the rehab bills because I think a person can develop a major drug dependency just by touching anything Garcia actually came into contract with.

For example, look at what happened to Whitney Houston. She caught one of Jerry's guitar picks when she saw the Dead at the Filmore, and... well.. You know how that ended.
 
2012-10-16 01:20:50 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...


Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

i234.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-16 01:55:14 AM

theewhiterhino: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...

Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

[i234.photobucket.com image 360x476]


Who's trolling? I don't care whether you respond or not. I'm serious as a heart attack. Ever see all the patchouli-reeking lames following them around? Ever hear the songs disintegrating into endless, aimless noodling that didn't work? They were about the last of the '60s San Francisco bands to get signed to a recording contract, and there was clearly a reason for it.
 
2012-10-16 02:00:53 AM

Skarekrough: KrispyKritter: electric guitars have been made from all sorts of materials for a very long time. if they are well designed of a good composition then they are up to the physical demands. tone woods really only matter on acoustic guitars. electric guitars, it's all about the pickups.

there is a crapload of musicians who will never believe the truth and that's okay. there is a lot of psychology behind being happy with your guitar and proud of your axe. you like the way it looks, feels and sounds, you got it made. some guys get this for $300. other guys it costs them $3,000.

It all depends on how much tin your ear is made out of I guess.

Compare the mids and highs of a Swamp Ash Telecaster with a maple neck to a mahogany-bodied Les Paul. Even if you went and did a direct swap of electrical components the Ash body is going to give you more highs and mids and the Paul will have more bass to it. Take a Jazz Bass from the 60's with an alder body and compare it to one from the 70's with Ash. Compare a fretless with an ebony board to one with rosewood. Look at someone like Jaco who used marine sealant on the board and found that it boosted the mids and highs.

I've spent 3K on a guitar and I've spent $200. I don't have any "pride" in what I own....they're all tools that serve a specific purpose; to have a different voice to suit my needs. I've owned, played, gigged, modified, rebuilt and sold enough new, used and vintage electrics over the years to know that if you can't hear the difference between Ash and Mahogany then you're not hearing the difference between someone like Roy Buchanan and Peter Greene, Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robert Cray and Warren Haynes.

Which is fine. Everyone is allowed to be an uneducated listener if they want to be.

As a kid I thought that electronics were the answer. I learned the hard and expensive way they they're not. You're not going to make a basswood-bodied guitar sound like a Les Paul just because you threw a set of ...


Y'all are forgetting one very important factor: Scale length. While I won't dismiss tone variance with differences in wood, the main reason that your Tele can't sound like your Paul even with the same components is the harmonic difference between a 25.5" string vibrating and a 24.75" string. If you retrofitted a Fender Cyclone with the guts of a Les Paul you would get closer(but not too close).

Yeah, the drunks at the bar don't care much about tone, but as someone who isn't gigging anymore I find myself playing to the tone of the guitar in style and technique rather than trying to force fit the tone of the guitar.
 
2012-10-16 02:06:08 AM

forgotmydamnusername: theewhiterhino: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...

Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

[i234.photobucket.com image 360x476]

Who's trolling? I don't care whether you respond or not. I'm serious as a heart attack. Ever see all the patchouli-reeking lames following them around? Ever hear the songs disintegrating into endless, aimless noodling that didn't work? They were about the last of the '60s San Francisco bands to get signed to a recording contract, and there was clearly a reason for it.


Yep. Saw them repeatedly from 1977 until a month before Jerry passed. And I enjoyed it. Sorry you didn't..

You sound like you need to relax. Might stave off that heart attack of which you speak.

Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile!
i234.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-16 02:29:51 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: "The one-off model used about $3,000 worth of plastic and had a headstock 3-D printed with sterling silver; the plate on the neck was 3-D printed out of stainless steel."

All kinds of weaseling going on here. What does that even mean? "3D printed" out of stainless steel? They sent a sheet to a laser cutting service? I have an idea. Just call every manufacturing process ever "3D printing". Even baking. I just 3D printed some muffins out of eggs and flour. There.


Yes you can 3d print damn near any material on the planet. Its expensive and usually has lesser strength qualities compared to traditional methods, but yes you can print them.
 
2012-10-16 02:54:45 AM
My parents and boss love the grateful dead.
My mom was at a show while pregnant with me in 88 and shined a crystal over me while either bob or phil looked her in the eyes. I never went to another dead concert until around three years ago with my boss, mom (their old friends) and coworkers. They made fun of me and the other people who went because we didn't dance.
/no point to my csb
//first time and only i smoked openly in front of my mom.
///really wished I could've toured with them but I probably wouldn't have survived birth back in the fifties.
 
2012-10-16 02:55:21 AM

theorellior: way south: It sounds like you've 3D printed yourself a new goalpost to cover for not having a grasp of the subject.

I think our next Internet Meme made real should be to chip in to buy QA a 3D printer. One that makes little silver starship models.


Along with a certificate that says we could have donated all that money to researching immortality, but didn't.
 
2012-10-16 02:55:48 AM
THEY'RE
checked twice I swear.
 
2012-10-16 02:59:58 AM

forgotmydamnusername: theewhiterhino: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: forgotmydamnusername: LandOfChocolate: theorellior: Fark the Grateful Dead, fark Deadheads, and fark shiatty-sounding 3D-printed plastic guitars.

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. How could anyone actively hate the Dead?

Easy. They were a farking self-indulgent, poorly-rehearsed bore that primarily appealed to worthless incredibly stoned hippies.

/some for decades....decades, man...

Their troll, it hurts Bobby's feelings

[i234.photobucket.com image 360x476]

Who's trolling? I don't care whether you respond or not. I'm serious as a heart attack. Ever see all the patchouli-reeking lames following them around? Ever hear the songs disintegrating into endless, aimless noodling that didn't work? They were about the last of the '60s San Francisco bands to get signed to a recording contract, and there was clearly a reason for it.


Actually, they were one of the first to be signed. After the Autumn Records' bands (Beau Brummels, Bobby Freeman, Great Society, Vejtables, Mojo Men, etc.), Jefferson Airplane was the first of the second wave (RCA), and quickly followed by the Dead (Warner Bros.) and Country Joe & the Fish (Vanguard). Surrealistic Pillow, Grateful Dead, and Electric Music for the Mind and Body were released almost simultaneously, before Big Brother's or Qucksilver's 1st albums.
 
2012-10-16 03:00:13 AM

Devmapall: My parents and boss love the grateful dead.
My mom was at a show while pregnant with me in 88 and shined a crystal over me while either bob or phil looked her in the eyes. I never went to another dead concert until around three years ago with my boss, mom (their old friends) and coworkers. They made fun of me and the other people who went because we didn't dance.
/no point to my csb
//first time and only i smoked openly in front of my mom.
///really wished I could've toured with them but I probably wouldn't have survived birth back in the fifties.


if you went 3 years ago, you didn't see the dead.

/too bad they couldn't 3D print jerry a finger.
 
2012-10-16 03:19:01 AM
Eleven posts. Who had eleven posts in the pool?
 
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