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2012-10-16 12:29:32 AM
6 votes:

js34603: I don't like the way this poll looks. Let's question the methodology and mock females who vote Republican.


They should be mocked. Like everyone that votes Republican.

The Republican party, and the conservative philosophy in general, is standing in the way of the continued advancement of civilization. It's not "opposing viewpoints". It's "good vs. bad", or at least "bad vs. evil".
2012-10-16 02:58:54 AM
4 votes:

Emposter: the deficit and debt issues that favor Romney

Clearly indicating that the number one problem in the USA is education.

Hint to retard GOP voters: cutting huge amounts of revenue from the budget and massively increasing military spending does not reduce the deficit.


And the GOP's leadership is well-aware of that. Well, the part of it that's actually sufficiently self-aware enough to recognize themselves in a mirror, that is. They don't really care about the deficit--it's a great way to stampede the rubes, but at the end of the day it's not really important to them.

What it DOES do is to get the parasites--to their way of thinking--off the back of government, by starving the system of funds that can be diverted to social programs. See, they regard the fact that you're starving to death or dying of malnutrition because you're too poor to afford decent food on a regular basis, or that you're sick with an illness because you're too broke to afford the insurance to have it treated, as a purely personal problem. It's your problem and no one else's, and certainly not something government has a responsibility to fix, and if the system is completely busted, they have an easy excuse to begin shutting it down entirely. As an added benefit, the money funneled away into defense industries and the military also finds its way into the pockets of some of their biggest supporters, helping to make the people they really represent very, very rich. If the cost of that is a small percentage of the public dying every winter because they can't afford to buy food AND heat their house at the same time, well, that's a sacrifice they're prepared to make.
2012-10-15 08:54:59 PM
4 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, "waitress moms." Is this the crucial made-up demographic/lazy reporter shorthand for 2012?


Waitress Moms = Too old to dance topless in a strip club.
2012-10-16 12:04:24 AM
3 votes:
"Waitress Moms" are going to get hit hard. They are a bit more likely to be in that 47% that pays no net income taxes, or maybe not much.


1. Romney's tax plan will cut 20% across the board.
2. The only way to cut 20% is to slash deductions.
3. Romney won't tell us what deductions he'll slash.
4. Romney railed against the "47%"
5. The main reason some of the 47% don't pay taxes is deductions- for kids, mortgages, standard deduction, EITC
5. Republicans kept talking about everyone having "some skin in the game."


That's my guess: the big secret plan is to slash those deductions and credits that reduce the tax burden on folks like these so-called waitress moms. They are going to get hit, and hard.
2012-10-15 08:34:50 PM
3 votes:
Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama? I understand that religious women often vote against their own interests, and the few super-rich women (or wives of billionaires, etc.) would have cause to vote for Romney as well. But I mean your typical working woman who isn't beholden to religious dogma. Solidly middle-class, maybe with a couple of kids. Maybe married, maybe not. What actual policies has Mitt Romney identified, that will be a part of his administration, that will actually be better for women's lives, economic, physical, sexual, etc.? I'm actually interested, because as a dude looking at the two choices, I can't envision a single reason why Romney's America would be better for American women.
2012-10-16 01:00:19 AM
2 votes:
you know, Obama may not be the be-all, end-all
but at least he's not a traitor who hates Americans.

/destroy American jobs
//cash in big-time
///hide money overseas so as not to pay back America for helping you succeed

= TRAITOR


can't believe you'd even contemplate electing that soulless empty farktard
2012-10-16 12:46:35 AM
2 votes:
Enjoy being forced to carry pregnancies to term.

Enjoy sending your loved ones or even yourself off to resource wars.

This country gets what it deserves.
2012-10-15 11:41:18 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Among all registered voters in the survey, Obama leads by nine points among women and by two points overall, 49%-47%.

Um, okay?


This.

And, as 538 and many other polling analysts have pointed out - simply averaging an aggregate of multiple state polls is bad math, and even worse reporting. It does not work. Period.
2012-10-15 08:38:12 PM
2 votes:
I was wondering why the local GOP shill newspaper columnist (she calls herself an Independent after being a lifelong Democrat, of course) suddenly felt the need to tell us she "stopped at a local diner for lunch and overheard the four waitresses talking about Biden vs. Ryan and how it convinced all four of them to support Romney now."

Clearly the week's talking points have been distributed to the "liberal media"
2012-10-16 01:07:25 PM
1 votes:
Woman here.
I wish I had a bumper sticker that read 'Fat Middle Class Under 30 White Female Gun Owning Homemaker for Obama'.
2012-10-16 08:01:41 AM
1 votes:

Captain Dan: Republicans: "Welfare moms" = code for "black people I am better than"

Democrats: "Waitress moms" = code for "white people I am better than"


Yes Democrats *despise* working class people. That's why they support minimum wage.

What rightwingers actually believe.
2012-10-16 07:12:21 AM
1 votes:

spelletrader: If they think there are 12 "swing states" they're smoking crack.


I was watching Morning Joe at the gym this morning (it's either that or Fox and Friends or my choice of early morning infomercials) and Mark Halperin was show his electoral map for Romney based on what "he's heard" from "prominent democrats". It had Florida, Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina all going for Romney and Romney in the Electoral lead... Of course, he mentions that he's not giving these states to Romney, but you know...what if?

The media so desperately wants this to be a horse race so we all tune in and watch the coverage and, particularly, tonight's debate. Once again proving the only real bias in the media is towards whatever will increase ad revenues.
2012-10-16 06:08:31 AM
1 votes:

ghare: dustbunnyboo: ... If Obama wants to win, he needs to make a case for those people and their ...

So she's going to vote for the policies that tanked the economy in the first place?


Shhh that requires memory, logic and long-term thinking. Obviously the man with the magical plan to cut everyone's taxes while decreasing the debt is totes legit.
2012-10-16 05:35:55 AM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, "waitress moms." Is this the crucial made-up demographic/lazy reporter shorthand for 2012?

Waitress Moms = Too old to dance topless in a strip club.


Yes, and past the age where they need birthcontrol or abortion.
I'd think he's claiming to be ahead because Bain bought into the company that controls the voting machines but maybe that's just me.
2012-10-16 05:29:14 AM
1 votes:

dustbunnyboo: ... If Obama wants to win, he needs to make a case for those people and their ...


So she's going to vote for the policies that tanked the economy in the first place?
2012-10-16 04:22:37 AM
1 votes:

dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama? I understand that religious women often vote against their own interests, and the few super-rich women (or wives of billionaires, etc.) would have cause to vote for Romney as well. But I mean your typical working woman who isn't beholden to religious dogma. Solidly middle-class, maybe with a couple of kids. Maybe married, maybe not. What actual policies has Mitt Romney identified, that will be a part of his administration, that will actually be better for women's lives, economic, physical, sexual, etc.? I'm actually interested, because as a dude looking at the two choices, I can't envision a single reason why Romney's America would be better for American women.


A close friend of mine has been out of work for almost two years. She's on welfare for the first time in her life. She and her daughter are both on state insurance (Medicaid?). She's busted her butt trying to find anything - any job at all. She's been trying for almost two years. Nothing.
She's voting for Romney and says she hopes he'll turn the economy around and she can start working again.
There are a lot of solidly middle class women like her out there - who either don't have jobs or are underemployed; or who have unemployed or under-employed spouses or children.
On the surface, a vote for Romney would seem to be against a woman's interests, but for some, their interests start at not losing their homes/lives/marriages. Abortion rights and other women's issues are important, but not as important as not being homeless
I think that Obama has done a pretty poor job of showing people like her why he thinks 4 more years will make a difference.
Anything, even the unknown seems better than the known when you are desperate. The number of underemployed/unemployed/quit looking is high enough to throw this election. If Obama wants to win, he needs to make a case for those people and their votes. Big Bird, equal pay, and abortion are important, but 'jobs' needs to be the first thing out of his mouth every time he opens it.
Romney's vile 47% comment notwithstanding, a lot of people have lost faith in Obama's interest/ability to fix the economy.

/not a Romney fan or voter.
//one of those dreaded independents.
2012-10-16 03:11:24 AM
1 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp:

Hint to retard GOP voters: cutting huge amounts of revenue from the budget and massively increasing military spending does not reduce the deficit.

And the GOP's leadership is well-aware of that. Well, the part of it that's actually sufficiently self-aware enough to recognize themselves in a mirror, that is. They don't really care about the deficit--it's a great way to stampede the rubes, but at the end of the day it's not really important to them.

What it DOES do is to get the parasites--to their way of thinking--off the back of government, by starving the system of funds that can be diverted to social programs. See, they regard the fact that you're starving to death or dying of malnutrition because you're too poor to afford decent food on a regular basis, or that you're sick with an illness because you're too broke to afford the insurance to have it treated, as a purely personal problem. It's your problem and no one else's, and certainly not something government has a responsibility to fix, and if the system is completely busted, they have an easy excuse to begin shutting it down entirely. As an added benefit, the money funneled away into defense industries and the military also finds its way into the pockets of some of their biggest supporters, helping to make the people they really represent very, very rich. If the cost of that is a small percentage of the public dying every winter because they can't afford to buy food AND heat their house at the same time, well, that's a sacrifice they're prepared to make.


That's probably the best summation of these evil farks I've read recent memory. Thank you.
2012-10-16 02:57:32 AM
1 votes:
How in Zeus's name is Rommel THIS close in the race, anyway? He's not a businessman in any traditional, legitimate sense of the term; his political allies are theocratic loons who'll use their own religion to rationalize trampling on people's lives; and nothing in his life story says "American experience" (with apologies to PBS). How is the cool black guy not whippin' his butt?
2012-10-16 02:50:15 AM
1 votes:
USA Today = news for low information voters with a short attention span. I've seen way too many creative ways of reporting poll numbers this week to put much stock in this. I'm not buying that the debate changed that many minds, nor am I buying the "large number of undecided voters" bullshiat. The media has an interest in making this closer than it is, so they can milk it for all it's worth.

That being said, O better kick some serious ass tomorrow night, and all of y'all who aren't ready to turn the country over to some soulless corporate vampires, better get out and vote! Take nothing for granted except how completely farked we will be if the people who are backing the Rmoney-bot have their way.
2012-10-16 02:48:06 AM
1 votes:

spamdog: Pardon me, although I do like your theory, wouldn't it make more sense if those women went for Obama? You know, craving some of that mandingo and all.


The last time the more attractive candidate lost was '76, and that was only because of Watergate.

Reagan defeats Carter
Reagan defeats Mondale
Bush defeats Dukakis
Clinton defeats Bush
Clinton defeats Dole
Bush defeats Gore
Bush defeats Kerry
Obama defeats McCain

Obama vs. Romney is going to come down to who women think is better-looking.
2012-10-16 02:37:21 AM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, "waitress moms." Is this the crucial made-up demographic/lazy reporter shorthand for 2012?


It's a newly discovered made up demographic that, like other Republicans, are too stupid to avoid voting against their own interests.
2012-10-16 01:46:09 AM
1 votes:

gadian: There are 12 swing states? All year I've heard of like...5.


In the entire race, the only states to have swung on 538 have been Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, and Virginia. And CO and VA only swang after the first debate. They're back to Obama now.
2012-10-16 01:41:32 AM
1 votes:
It seems unlikely to me that Romney could pull off one of the most radical poll swings in history resulting from a single debate performance.
2012-10-16 01:13:50 AM
1 votes:

brigid_fitch: They're Republicans and will vote that way, never bothering to learn about the issues or the candidates' platforms. Oddly, they're both at near-poverty levels (one works in a laundromat, the other's a manicurist) and use at least one social program on a regular basis (the one at the laundromat uses Planned Parenthood for her checkups but doesn't see the irony of voting into office the same people who would cut that service).


I think about women like that sometimes -how they'd feel and what they'd think if they actually showed up to PP one day and found the doors shuttered and the windows boarded, and found out later that it was their beloved Republicans who passed the bill closing it down. THEN would they wake up and see the Republicans for what they are? THEN would they understand that their enemy wasn't the Democrats all along?

The part of me that wants to have faith in Americans' intelligence tells me yes. But the part of me that isn't an idiot says no.
2012-10-16 01:05:26 AM
1 votes:

Brick-House: So much butthurt



Exactly why you felt the need to come in here and vent
2012-10-16 12:52:12 AM
1 votes:

plushpuppy: dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama?

Racism


This thissity this this this. If this guy were running he'd by up by 20 points and would win 45 states:

www.funportion.com
2012-10-16 12:51:58 AM
1 votes:

dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama?



1. Many of them genuinely like Romney and the GOP agenda. As dems/libs...that can be hard for some of us to understand, but we shouldn't live in denial.

2. Some people, believe it or not, only recently started paying attention to the campaign. Imagine if you didn't know about or care about anything that happened prior to the first Obama/Romney debate. If all you had to go on was that debate (and the subsequent reaction to it)...Romney might be looking really good to you right now.
2012-10-16 12:45:22 AM
1 votes:

CreamFilling: Right, so any woman who would vote for Romney is obviously too dumb to make a decision for herself, but it's Republicans who are anti-woman.


Any PERSON who votes for Romney is too dumb to be trusted with anything. But it's especially obvious when it's a woman choosing the woman hating party.
2012-10-16 12:38:50 AM
1 votes:

dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama? I understand that religious women often vote against their own interests, and the few super-rich women (or wives of billionaires, etc.) would have cause to vote for Romney as well. But I mean your typical working woman who isn't beholden to religious dogma. Solidly middle-class, maybe with a couple of kids. Maybe married, maybe not. What actual policies has Mitt Romney identified, that will be a part of his administration, that will actually be better for women's lives, economic, physical, sexual, etc.? I'm actually interested, because as a dude looking at the two choices, I can't envision a single reason why Romney's America would be better for American women.


Racism
2012-10-16 12:38:25 AM
1 votes:
There are 12 swing states? All year I've heard of like...5.
2012-10-16 12:26:13 AM
1 votes:
So they took a few states where Romney is ahead overall, combined them with states where Obama is ahead overall, and suddenly it's a tie overall? The electoral college doesn't work that way! Romney can win 7 of these states with 100% of the vote, and Obama could win the remaining 5 by only 1% and Obama would still win the election. Combining their numbers is pointless.
2012-10-16 12:21:32 AM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Aside from the Aftican American voting block that is.


I know. Remember when 92% of Illinois blacks voted or Obama over the darker skinned Alan Keyes? What a bunch of racists!
2012-10-16 12:19:57 AM
1 votes:
I don't like the way this poll looks. Let's question the methodology and mock females who vote Republican.
2012-10-16 12:14:26 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: I have a single waitress-mom from Colorado Springs on my Facebook supporting Romney. She just popped out a bastard fetus on Medicaid, too. Oh and she also had sex with a mechanic just to get her car fixed for free, and bragged to me about it.

Aren't you morally superior to her!


Did they change your meds again? A couple months ago I changed you from 'angry as fark" to "becoming more reasonable," but now your going off the rails again.
2012-10-16 12:14:24 AM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: I_C_Weener: Maybe some of them are upset at one side tweeting stuff like "vote like your lady parts depend on it" reducing women to vaginas instead of people. Or maybe, just maybe no group is as homogeneous as pols and polls think. Aside from the Aftican American voting block that is.

The homophobe block is pretty predictable


So is the racist block.
2012-10-16 12:13:49 AM
1 votes:
So much butthurt
2012-10-16 12:10:26 AM
1 votes:
Clearly indicating that the number one problem in the USA is education.

Hint to retard GOP voters: cutting huge amounts of revenue from the budget and massively increasing military spending does not reduce the deficit.


The Path To Prosperity for modern executives:
1. Lobby heavily to defund public education for a generation
2. Tell the uneducated that it's the Democrats' fault
3. Profit when the uneducated vote Republican

/that one, sadly, does work
2012-10-16 12:07:10 AM
1 votes:
the deficit and debt issues that favor Romney

Clearly indicating that the number one problem in the USA is education.

Hint to retard GOP voters: cutting huge amounts of revenue from the budget and massively increasing military spending does not reduce the deficit.
2012-10-16 12:06:14 AM
1 votes:
Maybe the fact that she's had to settle for waitressing instead of data entry or lab technician because her unemployment benefits ran out two years ago and they can't afford to stay at home with their kids although her husband also works in a dead end grocery bagging job that he had to settle for after getting laid off from his software development job is the reason they are looking for someone new at the helm.

Nah, numbers are up, right?
2012-10-16 12:04:41 AM
1 votes:
Right, so any woman who would vote for Romney is obviously too dumb to make a decision for herself, but it's Republicans who are anti-woman.
2012-10-15 11:59:29 PM
1 votes:
www.lolbrary.com

Yeah the fact they had to "combine" 12 states together instead of doing each state by themselves tells you everything about this poll.
2012-10-15 11:30:15 PM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Maybe some of them are upset at one side tweeting stuff like "vote like your lady parts depend on it" reducing women to vaginas instead of people. Or maybe, just maybe no group is as homogeneous as pols and polls think. Aside from the Aftican American voting block that is.


The homophobe block is pretty predictable
2012-10-15 11:26:05 PM
1 votes:
Maybe some of them are upset at one side tweeting stuff like "vote like your lady parts depend on it" reducing women to vaginas instead of people. Or maybe, just maybe no group is as homogeneous as pols and polls think. Aside from the Aftican American voting block that is.
2012-10-15 09:50:23 PM
1 votes:
It's the alpha male vote. This voting block of generally older American women want to be nailed by a real man for the same reason they enjoy reading Fifty Shades of Grey. They watched the debate to see who out-alphas who, and in the last debate Romney acted all alpha monkey by flinging his poo at everyone.

This is mostly why the debate changed voters - impressionable women with unsatisfied sex lives.

Of course just like any Discovery Channel video, the fight isn't over and Obama's sharpening his horns, so expect some changes in the next two debates.
2012-10-15 09:49:30 PM
1 votes:

dahmers love zombie: But I mean your typical working woman who isn't beholden to religious dogma.


I find it interesting how the ultra religious are voting. Having grown up in a heavily religious part of town and thanks to social media, many of my "friends" are quite fanatical. Any other year they would be calling Mormonism an abomination or a cult (hell, a lot of them think the same with Catholicism). And they wouldn't hesitate to tell you that God comes first in everything including politics. Maybe this conflict is one of the reasons the nutballery has been ramped up to 11.


/Actually I don't find it interesting or even surprising in the slightest...
2012-10-15 09:04:47 PM
1 votes:
Stop watching Fox and fill my beverage. Your tip is slipping away.
2012-10-15 08:48:53 PM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama?

Because there is a certain group of people who think unconsciously that Rmoney is a "real man" or something.


No. They vote for the party. That's it. They vote GOP no matter what. It is obvious and nothing short of Fox News and the GOP flipping sides will really change that. Thankfully demographics are going to encourage said change.
2012-10-15 08:28:10 PM
1 votes:
Among all registered voters in the survey, Obama leads by nine points among women and by two points overall, 49%-47%.

Um, okay?
 
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