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(USA Today)   Romney pulling ahead in 12 crucial swing states and has "waitress moms" to thank for it   (usatoday.com) divider line 152
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2012-10-16 02:39:22 AM

bdub77: It's the alpha male vote. This voting block of generally older American women want to be nailed by a real man for the same reason they enjoy reading Fifty Shades of Grey. They watched the debate to see who out-alphas who, and in the last debate Romney acted all alpha monkey by flinging his poo at everyone.

This is mostly why the debate changed voters - impressionable women with unsatisfied sex lives.


Pardon me, although I do like your theory, wouldn't it make more sense if those women went for Obama? You know, craving some of that mandingo and all.
 
2012-10-16 02:42:42 AM

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Captain Dan: people I am better than


Nice try, but I saw your profile.
 
2012-10-16 02:48:06 AM

spamdog: Pardon me, although I do like your theory, wouldn't it make more sense if those women went for Obama? You know, craving some of that mandingo and all.


The last time the more attractive candidate lost was '76, and that was only because of Watergate.

Reagan defeats Carter
Reagan defeats Mondale
Bush defeats Dukakis
Clinton defeats Bush
Clinton defeats Dole
Bush defeats Gore
Bush defeats Kerry
Obama defeats McCain

Obama vs. Romney is going to come down to who women think is better-looking.
 
2012-10-16 02:50:15 AM
USA Today = news for low information voters with a short attention span. I've seen way too many creative ways of reporting poll numbers this week to put much stock in this. I'm not buying that the debate changed that many minds, nor am I buying the "large number of undecided voters" bullshiat. The media has an interest in making this closer than it is, so they can milk it for all it's worth.

That being said, O better kick some serious ass tomorrow night, and all of y'all who aren't ready to turn the country over to some soulless corporate vampires, better get out and vote! Take nothing for granted except how completely farked we will be if the people who are backing the Rmoney-bot have their way.
 
2012-10-16 02:51:38 AM
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What Republicans believe.
 
2012-10-16 02:57:32 AM
How in Zeus's name is Rommel THIS close in the race, anyway? He's not a businessman in any traditional, legitimate sense of the term; his political allies are theocratic loons who'll use their own religion to rationalize trampling on people's lives; and nothing in his life story says "American experience" (with apologies to PBS). How is the cool black guy not whippin' his butt?
 
2012-10-16 02:58:54 AM

Emposter: the deficit and debt issues that favor Romney

Clearly indicating that the number one problem in the USA is education.

Hint to retard GOP voters: cutting huge amounts of revenue from the budget and massively increasing military spending does not reduce the deficit.


And the GOP's leadership is well-aware of that. Well, the part of it that's actually sufficiently self-aware enough to recognize themselves in a mirror, that is. They don't really care about the deficit--it's a great way to stampede the rubes, but at the end of the day it's not really important to them.

What it DOES do is to get the parasites--to their way of thinking--off the back of government, by starving the system of funds that can be diverted to social programs. See, they regard the fact that you're starving to death or dying of malnutrition because you're too poor to afford decent food on a regular basis, or that you're sick with an illness because you're too broke to afford the insurance to have it treated, as a purely personal problem. It's your problem and no one else's, and certainly not something government has a responsibility to fix, and if the system is completely busted, they have an easy excuse to begin shutting it down entirely. As an added benefit, the money funneled away into defense industries and the military also finds its way into the pockets of some of their biggest supporters, helping to make the people they really represent very, very rich. If the cost of that is a small percentage of the public dying every winter because they can't afford to buy food AND heat their house at the same time, well, that's a sacrifice they're prepared to make.
 
2012-10-16 03:01:48 AM
Yeah, waitresses love rich douchy religious assholes. Those guys always treat you with respect and tip well.
 
2012-10-16 03:02:22 AM

dahmers love zombie: But I mean your typical working woman who isn't beholden to religious dogma


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2012-10-16 03:09:58 AM
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Mel was right. Bunch a dingy broads.
 
2012-10-16 03:11:24 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp:

Hint to retard GOP voters: cutting huge amounts of revenue from the budget and massively increasing military spending does not reduce the deficit.

And the GOP's leadership is well-aware of that. Well, the part of it that's actually sufficiently self-aware enough to recognize themselves in a mirror, that is. They don't really care about the deficit--it's a great way to stampede the rubes, but at the end of the day it's not really important to them.

What it DOES do is to get the parasites--to their way of thinking--off the back of government, by starving the system of funds that can be diverted to social programs. See, they regard the fact that you're starving to death or dying of malnutrition because you're too poor to afford decent food on a regular basis, or that you're sick with an illness because you're too broke to afford the insurance to have it treated, as a purely personal problem. It's your problem and no one else's, and certainly not something government has a responsibility to fix, and if the system is completely busted, they have an easy excuse to begin shutting it down entirely. As an added benefit, the money funneled away into defense industries and the military also finds its way into the pockets of some of their biggest supporters, helping to make the people they really represent very, very rich. If the cost of that is a small percentage of the public dying every winter because they can't afford to buy food AND heat their house at the same time, well, that's a sacrifice they're prepared to make.


That's probably the best summation of these evil farks I've read recent memory. Thank you.
 
2012-10-16 03:13:32 AM
OK, many polls may end up being dodgy, but are legitimately trying to gather some kind of meaningful data.

A poll that uses a category called "likely voters" is just giving itself a license to make shiat up completely off the top of some random asshole's head. The phrase is specifically designed to mean exactly nothing so that the analyst can interpret it however he wants to get the results he wants, right up to simply pretending that GOP voters are more "likely" flat-out to get some fake numbers with Romney in the lead (or the same with Dems and Obama).

So... no. Not relevant. fark off.
 
2012-10-16 03:21:10 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama?

1) She's stupid
2) Stockholm syndrome


1. She's heard that Obama racked up more debt than any other President, and it saddles her kids with debt, bankrupting the country, etc
2. She thinks abortion is murder. Some version of Romney might try to stop that. Or appoint judges to stop that. Or something
3. Obamacare = government takeover of health care, which would be terrible
4. Socialism! Which sounds suspiciously like communism, or some other bad ism.
5. Regulations strangling job creation
6. Democrats let illegals vote

Every one of these I have heard from IRL conservative friends. Most of these very intelligent people, one with a degree in finance, another with a degree in econ.

The one with a finance degree is a brilliant woman (in most regards), but is utterly convinced that government debt is entirely Obama's fault, and Romney will grow the economy out of it.
 
2012-10-16 03:21:32 AM

gaspode: Yeah, waitresses love rich douchy religious assholes. Those guys always treat you with respect and tip well.


But they help with the dishes!

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2012-10-16 03:34:43 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Meanwhile, the President is back on the upswing at 538 and PEC. But, hey, at least it lets the FARK Independents feel special for at least one more night before they go back to drowning their sorrows at unskewedpolls.

Meh. This thing has actually become a horse race. The President should never have let it. Romney was that bad.


No. It hasn't.
 
2012-10-16 03:44:58 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: How in Zeus's name is Rommel THIS close in the race, anyway? He's not a businessman in any traditional, legitimate sense of the term; his political allies are theocratic loons who'll use their own religion to rationalize trampling on people's lives; and nothing in his life story says "American experience" (with apologies to PBS). How is the cool black guy not whippin' his butt?


He is.
 
2012-10-16 03:50:42 AM

Blue_Blazer: Huck And Molly Ziegler: How in Zeus's name is Rommel THIS close in the race, anyway? He's not a businessman in any traditional, legitimate sense of the term; his political allies are theocratic loons who'll use their own religion to rationalize trampling on people's lives; and nothing in his life story says "American experience" (with apologies to PBS). How is the cool black guy not whippin' his butt?

He is.


It looks like Romney's debate bounce is over. But I wouldn't say Obama is "whippin' his butt". Two weeks ago, yes. But now Obama's merely wining.
 
2012-10-16 04:11:47 AM

Born to Die: plushpuppy: dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama?

Racism

This thissity this this this. If this guy were running he'd by up by 20 points and would win 45 states:

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Oh snap, it's Barry H O'Bama.
 
2012-10-16 04:22:37 AM

dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama? I understand that religious women often vote against their own interests, and the few super-rich women (or wives of billionaires, etc.) would have cause to vote for Romney as well. But I mean your typical working woman who isn't beholden to religious dogma. Solidly middle-class, maybe with a couple of kids. Maybe married, maybe not. What actual policies has Mitt Romney identified, that will be a part of his administration, that will actually be better for women's lives, economic, physical, sexual, etc.? I'm actually interested, because as a dude looking at the two choices, I can't envision a single reason why Romney's America would be better for American women.


A close friend of mine has been out of work for almost two years. She's on welfare for the first time in her life. She and her daughter are both on state insurance (Medicaid?). She's busted her butt trying to find anything - any job at all. She's been trying for almost two years. Nothing.
She's voting for Romney and says she hopes he'll turn the economy around and she can start working again.
There are a lot of solidly middle class women like her out there - who either don't have jobs or are underemployed; or who have unemployed or under-employed spouses or children.
On the surface, a vote for Romney would seem to be against a woman's interests, but for some, their interests start at not losing their homes/lives/marriages. Abortion rights and other women's issues are important, but not as important as not being homeless
I think that Obama has done a pretty poor job of showing people like her why he thinks 4 more years will make a difference.
Anything, even the unknown seems better than the known when you are desperate. The number of underemployed/unemployed/quit looking is high enough to throw this election. If Obama wants to win, he needs to make a case for those people and their votes. Big Bird, equal pay, and abortion are important, but 'jobs' needs to be the first thing out of his mouth every time he opens it.
Romney's vile 47% comment notwithstanding, a lot of people have lost faith in Obama's interest/ability to fix the economy.

/not a Romney fan or voter.
//one of those dreaded independents.
 
2012-10-16 05:01:04 AM

dustbunnyboo: Romney's vile 47% comment notwithstanding, a lot of people have lost faith in Obama's interest/ability to fix the economy.



Because she's a white Christian who will believe any nonsense a Republican says regardless

Of course 0bama can't fix an economy that Republicans do everything to stop his ideas from passing.
 
2012-10-16 05:29:14 AM

dustbunnyboo: ... If Obama wants to win, he needs to make a case for those people and their ...


So she's going to vote for the policies that tanked the economy in the first place?
 
2012-10-16 05:35:55 AM

vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, "waitress moms." Is this the crucial made-up demographic/lazy reporter shorthand for 2012?

Waitress Moms = Too old to dance topless in a strip club.


Yes, and past the age where they need birthcontrol or abortion.
I'd think he's claiming to be ahead because Bain bought into the company that controls the voting machines but maybe that's just me.
 
2012-10-16 06:04:23 AM
ftfa: He calls female voters critical in the campaign's closing weeks. "In general, women tend to be later decision-makers than men and the Obama campaign has gone out of their way to run a negative campaign against Governor Romney among women," Newhouse says.

WTF is a "later decision maker"?

Did he just make that up?

*considers that Newhouse is a major mouthpiece for the Romney "won't be bound by facts" campaign*

Question withdrawn.
 
2012-10-16 06:08:31 AM

ghare: dustbunnyboo: ... If Obama wants to win, he needs to make a case for those people and their ...

So she's going to vote for the policies that tanked the economy in the first place?


Shhh that requires memory, logic and long-term thinking. Obviously the man with the magical plan to cut everyone's taxes while decreasing the debt is totes legit.
 
2012-10-16 06:37:46 AM

intelligent comment below:
Because she's a white Christian who will believe any nonsense a Republican says regardless

Of course 0bama can't fix an economy that Republicans do everything to stop his ideas from passing.


She is white, nominally Christian (no church membership, never attends). Her previous job was department manager in a large chain store.

I'm not defending her decision or those like it, only explaining it as it has been explained (by her) to me. Other friends in similar situations have said similar things and also plan to vote for Romney.

None of my Romney-voting friends feel that Obama has explained himself. People are scared and want reassurance, even if it makes no sense and could never work. They want to be told that it'll be okay. It doesn't make sense on some levels, until I remember that she is really scared. There are a lot of people like her.

I won't vote for Romney, but that doesn't mean that I think that Obama has done a good job explaining himself. He can and should do better explaining what he'll do if he gets another term. Obama needs to understand that after so many years of recession, which were not his fault, people are reaching the ends of their economic/emotional/marital/employment ropes.

Desperate people will grab onto anything, regardless of how far-fetched it seems to the rest of us. I can't defend it. I do understand it.
 
2012-10-16 06:46:03 AM

ghare: dustbunnyboo: ... If Obama wants to win, he needs to make a case for those people and their ...

So she's going to vote for the policies that tanked the economy in the first place?


I don't think that many, maybe most people think that way. They don't think of economic policy as being an ongoing, continuing thing. If they did, we would not see Romney getting support for repackaging "trickle-down" economics.

So, yeah, but she's hardly alone in this.
 
2012-10-16 06:58:48 AM
If they think there are 12 "swing states" they're smoking crack.
 
2012-10-16 07:08:44 AM

spelletrader: If they think there are 12 "swing states" they're smoking crack.


Brian Williams on the Letterman show said his network's stat gurus told him the election comes down to 12 COUNTIES. Not states, counties.

All Romney has to do is keep things appearing to be close. There are 5 people in DC that can do the rest. That's why, I tend to think, the health care decision went the way it did. Give the peons something but in the end, take it away through another more powerful decision in late November.
 
2012-10-16 07:10:42 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: How in Zeus's name is Rommel THIS close in the race, anyway? He's not a businessman in any traditional, legitimate sense of the term; his political allies are theocratic loons who'll use their own religion to rationalize trampling on people's lives; and nothing in his life story says "American experience" (with apologies to PBS). How is the cool black guy not whippin' his butt?


Cuz dat cool black guy has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of tens of millions of Americans, dat's why. People on welfare bragging about their free phones, free housing, free money...the average hardworking person who hasn't been able to afford a vacation because they have lost their jobs in the energy sector are tired of seeing the money stolen from them by the government handed to people who are proud to be leeches.
 
2012-10-16 07:12:21 AM

spelletrader: If they think there are 12 "swing states" they're smoking crack.


I was watching Morning Joe at the gym this morning (it's either that or Fox and Friends or my choice of early morning infomercials) and Mark Halperin was show his electoral map for Romney based on what "he's heard" from "prominent democrats". It had Florida, Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina all going for Romney and Romney in the Electoral lead... Of course, he mentions that he's not giving these states to Romney, but you know...what if?

The media so desperately wants this to be a horse race so we all tune in and watch the coverage and, particularly, tonight's debate. Once again proving the only real bias in the media is towards whatever will increase ad revenues.
 
2012-10-16 07:25:51 AM
PanicMan:
Lionel Mandrake: I_C_Weener: Maybe some of them are upset at one side tweeting stuff like "vote like your lady parts depend on it" reducing women to vaginas instead of people. Or maybe, just maybe no group is as homogeneous as pols and polls think. Aside from the Aftican American voting block that is.

The homophobe block is pretty predictable

So is the racist block.


Honestly that's probably the nuts and bolts of this. That woman yelling outside the debate that Obama's a "communist" doesn't have any intention of analyzing how her vote will affect her life as a woman.
 
2012-10-16 07:30:41 AM

SharkInfested: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I was wondering why the local GOP shill newspaper columnist (she calls herself an Independent after being a lifelong Democrat, of course) suddenly felt the need to tell us she "stopped at a local diner for lunch and overheard the four waitresses talking about Biden vs. Ryan and how it convinced all four of them to support Romney now."

Clearly the week's talking points have been distributed to the "liberal media"

Having just returned home from my 9 hour shift waiting tables, I have serious doubts about the veracity of this columnist. But hey, guess her anecdotal evidence has as much weight as my own, despite my knowing a few (hundred) more people in this business than she does


I spent YEARS in the business. Just when I thought I was finally done, I ended up moonlighting as a bartender again, a shift or two per week. It's quick cash. I also get laid from time to time.

I have nothing to offer the thread other than to extend my courtesy to you. Waiting tables sucks balls, but everyone has to have a gig, right? Keep fighting the good fight.
 
2012-10-16 07:39:46 AM

Lsherm: [img708.imageshack.us image 695x382]

Can a Fark Statistician explain how these charts are placing the "other/no opinion" part of the chart? Most of the charts with Romney ahead reflect his gains on the bottom of the chart, but the one chart with Obama ahead reflects his gains on the top. In each chart, the "other/no opinion" part of the chart deviates from the 12 o'clock position towards one side or the other, but I don't see an explanation for it.


You're kidding, right?
 
2012-10-16 07:51:09 AM
Meanwhile, in Reality:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/2012-polls-obama-battlegrou nd _n_1966564.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
 
2012-10-16 07:58:50 AM

jjorsett: dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama? I understand that religious women often vote against their own interests, and the few super-rich women (or wives of billionaires, etc.) would have cause to vote for Romney as well. But I mean your typical working woman who isn't beholden to religious dogma. Solidly middle-class, maybe with a couple of kids. Maybe married, maybe not. What actual policies has Mitt Romney identified, that will be a part of his administration, that will actually be better for women's lives, economic, physical, sexual, etc.? I'm actually interested, because as a dude looking at the two choices, I can't envision a single reason why Romney's America would be better for American women.

Maybe because they and/or their children have suffered thru four years of the Obama "recovery" and want to give somebody else a try now so that they can have a job and a future? All the other issues go only so far when you have no money.


That cannot be. Wymon are more interested in reproductive freedom and free contraception than mundane things like "food on the table " and "steady good paying job" those things are SOOO bourgeois.....
 
2012-10-16 08:01:41 AM

Captain Dan: Republicans: "Welfare moms" = code for "black people I am better than"

Democrats: "Waitress moms" = code for "white people I am better than"


Yes Democrats *despise* working class people. That's why they support minimum wage.

What rightwingers actually believe.
 
2012-10-16 08:42:21 AM

Nadie_AZ: themindiswatching: dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama?

Because there is a certain group of people who think unconsciously that Rmoney is a "real man" or something.

No. They vote for the party. That's it. They vote GOP no matter what. It is obvious and nothing short of Fox News and the GOP flipping sides will really change that. Thankfully demographics are going to encourage said change.


For some people, this is the only lesson they learned in school - support your team against all others. Politics is just another us versus them event, and you support your team even if they do want to stick wands up your vagina and in through your uterus.
 
2012-10-16 08:45:58 AM

TV's Vinnie: Meanwhile, in Reality:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/2012-polls-obama-battlegrou nd _n_1966564.html?utm_hp_ref=politics


Zogby is polling for Newsmax now?

Oh how the might have fallen.
 
2012-10-16 08:46:33 AM

TV's Vinnie: Meanwhile, in Reality:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/2012-polls-obama-battlegrou nd _n_1966564.html?utm_hp_ref=politics


Zogby is polling for Newsmax now?

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

/yeah dp I know
 
2012-10-16 08:51:27 AM

ManateeGag: there are 12 swing states? that's a little less than a quarter of the country.


We really need to dump the electoral college. Of course, the flip side of that is it would make campaigning even more expensive.
 
2012-10-16 09:00:42 AM

Richard Freckle: Stop watching Fox and fill my beverage. Your tip is slipping away.

 
2012-10-16 09:18:09 AM

The Martian Manhandler:
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Mel was right. Bunch a dingy broads.


Restaurants will be only using part-time workers to avoid paying for Obamacare, so workers are realizing that having a full-time job is more important than free birth-control pills ($9.00 at Walmart).
 
2012-10-16 09:18:54 AM

jojostan: free contraception


Nobody wants free contraception, they just want the money they are already paying for health insurance to cover something very basic and necessary without any interference by the God Squad.

Also, those Obama phones aint free.

Hell, even freedom isn't free.

/$1.05.
 
2012-10-16 09:19:45 AM

smitty04: ($9.00 at Walmart).


You know how I know you don't have a vagina or know anyone who does?
 
2012-10-16 09:38:57 AM

jjorsett: dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama? I understand that religious women often vote against their own interests, and the few super-rich women (or wives of billionaires, etc.) would have cause to vote for Romney as well. But I mean your typical working woman who isn't beholden to religious dogma. Solidly middle-class, maybe with a couple of kids. Maybe married, maybe not. What actual policies has Mitt Romney identified, that will be a part of his administration, that will actually be better for women's lives, economic, physical, sexual, etc.? I'm actually interested, because as a dude looking at the two choices, I can't envision a single reason why Romney's America would be better for American women.

Maybe because they and/or their children have suffered thru four years of the Obama "recovery" and want to give somebody else a try now so that they can have a job and a future? All the other issues go only so far when you have no money.


Then they are stupid to believe that 8 years of wrecking the economy, bringing the world to the brink of financial collapse, and fighting 2 wars on a credit card while slashing taxes can be fixed in 3.5 years.

And they deserve to be mocked and laughed at. They who vote for Romney who will return to the aforementioned policies and expect things to be better for them have no sympathy from me.

And they obviously are ...well....pretty farking stupid.
 
2012-10-16 09:45:23 AM
Don't Troll Me Bro!: 2) Stockholm syndrome

Pretty much.


Kibbler: Yes Democrats *despise* working class people.

As a white, working-class Dem I agree, but it's only because many of my colleagues are terrible people.
 
2012-10-16 09:48:40 AM
Brilliant because if their is one thing low income mothers hate it is the child tax credit loopholes that Romney will be reducing.
 
2012-10-16 09:51:10 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: dahmers love zombie: Could someone please give me a couple of reasons why a woman would vote for Romney rather than Obama?

Sure. They care about employment and the economy.

The 0bama economy really hurt that demographic as they lost jobs at a disproportionate rate.


As an American woman whose household income has nearly doubled over the past four years, you're full of shiat.

/yeah yeah, I know, don't feed it
 
2012-10-16 12:26:53 PM

dickfreckle: SharkInfested: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I was wondering why the local GOP shill newspaper columnist (she calls herself an Independent after being a lifelong Democrat, of course) suddenly felt the need to tell us she "stopped at a local diner for lunch and overheard the four waitresses talking about Biden vs. Ryan and how it convinced all four of them to support Romney now."

Clearly the week's talking points have been distributed to the "liberal media"

Having just returned home from my 9 hour shift waiting tables, I have serious doubts about the veracity of this columnist. But hey, guess her anecdotal evidence has as much weight as my own, despite my knowing a few (hundred) more people in this business than she does

I spent YEARS in the business. Just when I thought I was finally done, I ended up moonlighting as a bartender again, a shift or two per week. It's quick cash. I also get laid from time to time.

I have nothing to offer the thread other than to extend my courtesy to you. Waiting tables sucks balls, but everyone has to have a gig, right? Keep fighting the good fight.


Thanks, and right back atcha! Was out of it for years, but circumstances somehow resulted with me back in the business. I do make enough money with this gig to not have to pick up every shift and have time to work on other projects, writing, etc

And one gets spoiled working in restaurants in DC. Never worked with anyone who didn't have a college degree, most have at least a masters, and just enjoy the life or enjoy the independence it allows them to persue their own thing. The afterhours discussions would go over the heads of 90% of the customers
 
2012-10-16 01:07:25 PM
Woman here.
I wish I had a bumper sticker that read 'Fat Middle Class Under 30 White Female Gun Owning Homemaker for Obama'.
 
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