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(ESPN)   Dusty Baker signing 2 year extension, ensuring Reds next World Series title no earlier than 2015   (espn.go.com) divider line 23
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2012-10-15 03:21:39 PM  
To be fair, who else is out there to chose from? Anyone have any ideas? Anyone.............?

/no fan of Dusty either
 
2012-10-15 04:01:55 PM  
Sorry, but the Cubs have 2015 locked up, according to the Gospel of McFly.
 
2012-10-15 06:54:56 PM  

WTFDYW: To be fair, who else is out there to chose from? Anyone have any ideas? Anyone.............?

/no fan of Dusty either


It's a valid point, especially considering Jocketty would never go with a rookie manager. And as a Cards fan, this news pleases me.
 
2012-10-15 07:06:37 PM  
Clearly there is a difference between managing in the regular season and managing in the post season.
 
2012-10-15 07:09:17 PM  
I submitted this with the headline "R.I.P. Johnny Cueto and Mat Latos."
 
2012-10-15 07:15:30 PM  
I'm a Cincinnati Reds fan. The players represent the team and they like Dusty Baker so Dusty Baker is going to stay.

The fans need to shut up about wanting to fire Dusty Baker. The fans do not represent the team.
 
2012-10-15 07:42:14 PM  
I have always liked Dusty. He seems like a very nice man. He just needs a handler to help him. A... manager, if you will.
 
2012-10-15 08:07:18 PM  
As a Cubs fan I don't like Dusty because I still blame him for ruining Mark Prior's arm, but the dude is a good manager. He took the Giants to the WS, was one error away from taking the hapless Cubs to the WS, had the Reds in the playoffs, and has the support of the Reds players.

The Reds would be stupid not to resign him.
 
2012-10-15 08:27:50 PM  

Funk Brothers: I'm a Cincinnati Reds fan. The players represent the team and they like Dusty Baker so Dusty Baker is going to stay.

The fans need to shut up about wanting to fire Dusty Baker. The fans do not represent the team.


THIS. The players love him, and when you have a team that was just 1 big hit away from getting to the NLCS, it would be stupid to do anything ruin the chemistry in the clubhouse.
 
2012-10-15 08:34:32 PM  

WTFDYW: To be fair, who else is out there to chose from? Anyone have any ideas? Anyone.............?

/no fan of Dusty either


Destroy the souls of Cubs fans... get Sandberg?
 
2012-10-15 08:47:20 PM  

Super Chronic: I submitted this with the headline "R.I.P. Johnny Cueto and Mat Latos."


I listen to The Baseball Show with Rany and Joe podcast and they made the point that industry concern for pitcher's arms has swung so far that it's forced Dusty to be less ridiculous with pitch counts, to the point that it's really not a problem anymore. They said that Latos and Cueto only approached 120 pitches something like once each this year. I may be off on the exact numbers, but the point is that due to peer/boss pressure Dusty's nothing like he was when he had Prior and Wood. It's lessened one of his big weaknesses.

It's an interesting point, especially when you consider that one of the guys on that podcast invented a stat to quantify pitcher overuse once upon a time.
 
2012-10-15 09:14:30 PM  
Dusty is a shiatty manager... He is a big reason why the Cubs lost in '03 (should've had a bullpen guy getting ready as soon as Prior was rattled by the foul). Giants choked in '02 and Reds haven't exactly been good in the playoffs under him.

He is popular with the players, which shouldn't mean shiat since he is a "players manager". Basically, the veterans run the team. Which is why the Cubs were so awful in '06
 
2012-10-15 10:00:37 PM  
He can get them through the season. He's 1/10 post season. He needs help if it comes to post season. You can't use the same mind set in the play offs.

/lmho
 
2012-10-15 10:03:48 PM  

machoprogrammer: He is popular with the players, which shouldn't mean shiat since he is a "players manager". Basically, the veterans run the team. Which is why the Cubs were so awful in '06


Yeah, but they won it all in '08.
 
2012-10-15 10:05:33 PM  
OH! Stubbs either needs to learn to bunt or GTFO. He can run like a farking gazelle, but he can't run if he can't get on base. Get it on or get out.
 
2012-10-15 10:08:09 PM  
BTW. They all need to stop worrying about hitting the long ball and just put the farking ball in play. Base hits are awesome.

/anyone remember the "bug on the rug"?
 
2012-10-15 10:14:03 PM  
Sorry. I'm still pissed about the sweep at GABP. I'm getting older and hope for another wire to wire soon.
 
2012-10-15 11:55:36 PM  

WTFDYW: Sorry. I'm still pissed about the sweep at GABP. I'm getting older and hope for another wire to wire soon.


not with Dusty "I love guys older than me on the field" and "why make a pitching move in the playoffs, there is always the next game" Baker.

I just hope if this happens again next year, people don't riot. I live less than a mile from the park, don't want riots.
 
2012-10-16 12:01:23 AM  

Super Chronic: I submitted this with the headline "R.I.P. Johnny Cueto and Mat Latos."


I'm ok with this, especially regarding Latos. Competing with AJ Pierzynski for biggest asshole in baseball, and Kung Fu Cueto ain't far behind
 
2012-10-16 03:36:22 AM  
What were they going to do, hire Zombie Sparky Anderson?
 
2012-10-16 09:17:05 AM  

Aubesians and Such: The players love him,


They love him because of the lack of accountability. Between the fact the less disciplined players get to act like jabbering idiots and the ancient players get to take the field as often as they want it's no wonder he's so popular.

And all that before we get into how he actually manages a game.
 
2012-10-16 01:43:33 PM  
Well as long as the SF Giants are around, it isnt like the Reds have a shot at getting to the WS anyway...
 
2012-10-16 03:28:47 PM  

Funk Brothers: I'm a Cincinnati Reds fan. The players represent the team and they like Dusty Baker so Dusty Baker is going to stay.

The fans need to shut up about wanting to fire Dusty Baker. The fans do not represent the team.


In my opinion, that's Dusty's fatal flaw. He has such a need to be seen as a 'player's manager' who supports 'his guys.' It leads to him sometimes making decisions in the best interests of his image and relationships instead of in the best interest of the team as a whole.

That's why he has the reputation for letting his starters' arms fall off. Every starting pitcher always wants to stay in the game that one extra inning; Dusty doesn't want to make the unpopular decision, so he allows it.

2004 was when I lost most of my respect for Dusty. Steve Stone basically said on the Cubs' broadcast that they needed to play better if they wanted to make it back to the postseason. That's it. Moises Alou decided to make a public issue out of it with Stone. A couple other players got in on it, too, rather than acknowledge that they needed to play better.

At that point, the role of the manager is to privately tell his players to STFU, and publicly say something like "we can't worry about what the media says, we just have to focus on baseball," or "Stone's right, we need to play better." Instead, he bashed Stone and also got into weird tirades about the umpires conspiring against the Cubs and all this other weird crap.

So, instead of circling the wagons and focusing on baseball, Dusty allowed outside distractions to get the better of the team.

2006 didn't help. It was an awful team; everyone knew the season was lost, and it was time to promote and play some AAA guys to evaluate their skills against major league talent. Dusty didn't like that, and he had to get 'his guys' their playing time, so instead of seeing what Ryan Theriot could do, we saw Neifi Perez and his permanent "who farted?" face trotting out on the field until Hendry finally told Baker he had to play the rookies.

Oh, and he also farked up a double-switch once because he didn't understand how it worked, and he got kicked out of a game for arguing after he filled out a lineup card incorrectly and cost his team an out.

Of course, Dusty is all excuses - nothing is ever his fault.

Best of luck to you guys, but if the Reds win it in the next couple of years it will be despite Dusty, not because of him. Even Lou Senile-a was an upgrade at manager over Dustbag.
 
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