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(Vanity Fair)   The Mormon church WILL NOT have an influence on Mitt Romney's presidency. With pics of what our new money will look like   (vanityfair.com) divider line 329
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2012-10-15 12:38:55 PM
wow that's racist.
 
2012-10-15 12:42:54 PM
I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.
 
2012-10-15 12:45:02 PM
Can you imagine the referees using such a coin for the coin toss at the Super Bowl?

The game couldn't be played because the coin would never stop flip-flopping.
 
2012-10-15 01:00:17 PM
First, the qualifiers;

I have been married to a Mormon for 20 years.

I am not a Mormon.

I have lived in Utah for the last 7 years.

One thing that you can bet the farm on is that the Mormon church will most definitely have a strong influence on a Romney Presidency.

Here is Utah, the LDS church leadership is consulted with regarding any new laws or changes to existing laws that can be considered to have any "moral" aspects.

The reason we have such screwed u-p liquor laws here - LDS Church.
 
2012-10-15 01:10:17 PM
I really do kinda hope a Romney presidency would have a distinct Mormon tinge to it, just to see how all the Evangelicals and Catholics react.

I'll bet the won't be so keen on religion in government then.
 
2012-10-15 01:29:58 PM
Folks, this article is a big deal. The author is D. Michael Quinn, former BYU professor, an eminent Mormon historian, gay and excommunicated as one of the infamous September Six:

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Quinn has been essentially become unhireable as a professor because most professorships in Mormon history are funded by Mormon donors, who will not associate with Quinn. Quinn has done remarkable work in Mormon Studies and continues to be well-respected as an academic. I'm also quite sure he enjoyed writing this piece:

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2012-10-15 01:42:45 PM
Here's an idea. Let's get an atheist in power. Or someone who will tell the media "You are more than welcome to believe in your higher power, but it truly is the people who rule and bless this great country".

I would SO support Peter Pumpkinhead.
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2012-10-15 01:46:05 PM

Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.


I think he's just another puppet for the Corporations.
 
2012-10-15 01:46:09 PM
Fun fact: This November, there is a chance we will have elected the first openly non-Christian US President....and he's a REPUBLICAN!

Think about that for a second.
 
2012-10-15 01:49:14 PM

OneTimed: Fun fact: This November, there is a chance we will have elected the first openly non-Christian US President....and he's a REPUBLICAN!

Think about that for a second.


Mormons are just as Christian as Catholics are
 
2012-10-15 01:49:25 PM
Flash a wad of that around and you'll have 5-6 wives in no time.
 
2012-10-15 01:49:45 PM
I still don't know who's more terrifying - Mormons or Scientologists?
 
2012-10-15 01:52:14 PM
I live in slc and have heard rumors that the Mormon Prophet has decreed that god has told him that Mormons must vote for romney
 
2012-10-15 01:53:17 PM

OneTimed: Fun fact: This November, there is a chance we will have elected the first openly non-Christian US President....and he's a REPUBLICAN!

Think about that for a second.


Do Mormons believe in the existence of Jesus Christ and his divinity? Then they're fuggin Christians.
 
2012-10-15 01:53:37 PM

MrSplifferton: I live in slc and have heard rumors that the Mormon Prophet has decreed that god has told him that Mormons must vote for romney


Considering they almost always vote Republican anyway, particularly in Utah, that's not really a world ending revelation
 
2012-10-15 01:53:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: wow that's racist.


Racist, no, but still ridiculous. How is this different from any other elected official that belongs to an organized religion? His religion would doubtlessly influence his decisions, but religion and church aren't the same thing.
 
2012-10-15 01:54:02 PM

Aarontology: I really do kinda hope a Romney presidency would have a distinct Mormon tinge to it, just to see how all the Evangelicals and Catholics react.

I'll bet the won't be so keen on religion in government then.


Yeah, having a secret muslim in power has changed them
 
2012-10-15 01:54:34 PM
www.vanityfair.com

Lulz. Jazz moved to Utah in 1979.

Co-incidence???
 
2012-10-15 01:54:56 PM
But Obama hanging out with Reverend Wright was perfectly OK.
 
2012-10-15 01:58:31 PM
from 1981 to 1986 he was bishop of his congregation in Boston, and from 1986 to 1994 he was "stake president" for the Boston area, overseeing a dozen "wards," or congregations, with a total of 4,000 members

JFK got shiat because people thought the catholic church would dictate policy simply because he's a member of their congregation. Why wouldn't people think the same of Romney when instead of just sitting in the pew for Mass every Sunday, he's the equivalent of a bishop?
 
2012-10-15 02:00:01 PM

beta_plus: But Obama hanging out with Reverend Wright was perfectly OK.


Are we still doing this?
 
2012-10-15 02:00:15 PM

beta_plus: But Obama hanging out with Reverend Wright was perfectly OK.


Obama publicly and forcefully repudiated Wright (yes, after some prodding).

Still waiting on Romney to make such a statement...
 
2012-10-15 02:01:24 PM

Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.


Yet, he was pretty middle-of-the-road as governor of Massachusetts. But that could've just been a dodge. A convenience for the time. *shrug* He does one thing, then says another. You can never tell. It's the #1 reason I can't trust him.

TFA is a very close #2.
 
2012-10-15 02:01:31 PM

Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.


citation needed.
 
2012-10-15 02:03:07 PM

Mrbogey: Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.

citation needed.


Here ya go.
 
2012-10-15 02:04:16 PM

beta_plus: But Obama hanging out with Reverend Wright was perfectly OK.


yeah I suppose. One thinks God Damned America for treating it's people badly.
The right wing thinks God damned Ammerica for trying to give the gays equal rights
 
2012-10-15 02:04:27 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: I still don't know who's more terrifying - Mormons or Scientologists?


I've always looked at Scientology as Mormonism on a bad acid trip. And minus the Jesus.

Yep. Good times. Wouldn't want *either* of them running for office.

/except Huntsman
//who has SUPPOSEDLY deflected "requests" from the LDS before
///supposedly
 
2012-10-15 02:04:45 PM

Teufelaffe: OneTimed: Fun fact: This November, there is a chance we will have elected the first openly non-Christian US President....and he's a REPUBLICAN!

Think about that for a second.

Do Mormons believe in the existence of Jesus Christ and his divinity? Then they're fuggin Christians.


IIRC the divinity (or lack of) is the part that's the deal breaker.

At least that is what the cult I belonged to taught.
 
2012-10-15 02:05:05 PM

Beerguy: I have been married to a Mormon for 20 years.

I am not a Mormon.



Not trolling, honest question: why would a Mormon woman marry a non-Mormon man knowing that it will deny her the opportunity for celestial marriage, through which the man and woman literally become gods? Because becoming a god sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me - it would be hard to give that up.
 
2012-10-15 02:06:21 PM

Mrbogey: Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.

citation needed.


Read the damn article.
 
2012-10-15 02:06:35 PM

Epoch_Zero: Mrbogey: Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.

citation needed.

Here ya go.


That's just their own fluff. But your attempt at a "funny" is duly noted.
 
2012-10-15 02:06:45 PM

Epoch_Zero: Mrbogey: Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.

citation needed.

Here ya go.


and Barack Obama is a gay crack-smoking Muslim.

Here's the proof- Link
 
2012-10-15 02:07:18 PM

Craptastic: beta_plus: But Obama hanging out with Reverend Wright was perfectly OK.

Are we still doing this?


They hate black christians.
 
2012-10-15 02:07:29 PM

beta_plus: But Obama hanging out with Reverend Wright was perfectly OK.


why wouldnt it? you guys told me he was a muslim anyway
 
2012-10-15 02:07:32 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Beerguy: I have been married to a Mormon for 20 years.

I am not a Mormon.


Not trolling, honest question: why would a Mormon woman marry a non-Mormon man knowing that it will deny her the opportunity for celestial marriage, through which the man and woman literally become gods? Because becoming a god sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me - it would be hard to give that up.


And you're that much less likely to get the beat-down from Gozer.
 
2012-10-15 02:07:46 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-15 02:09:05 PM

Mrbogey: Epoch_Zero: Mrbogey: Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.

citation needed.

Here ya go.

and Barack Obama is a gay crack-smoking Muslim.

Here's the proof- Link


Well that's it. I'm voting for McCain.
 
2012-10-15 02:09:51 PM

Karac: from 1981 to 1986 he was bishop of his congregation in Boston, and from 1986 to 1994 he was "stake president" for the Boston area, overseeing a dozen "wards," or congregations, with a total of 4,000 members

JFK got shiat because people thought the catholic church would dictate policy simply because he's a member of their congregation. Why wouldn't people think the same of Romney when instead of just sitting in the pew for Mass every Sunday, he's the equivalent of a bishop?


white mormon trumps black christian.
 
2012-10-15 02:11:57 PM

imashark: Mrbogey: Weaver95: I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. Romney is very much an authoritarian theocrat with little understanding or respect for the beliefs of others.

citation needed.

Read the damn article.


I did. Concern trolling isn't proof.

"Is Obama a secret Muslim out to destroy the US? Only time will tell but Muslims will lie to get their way."

zOMG! Proof!
 
2012-10-15 02:12:38 PM

beta_plus: But Obama hanging out with Reverend Wright was perfectly OK.


I'm sorry. Why do we hate Reverend Wright again?
 
2012-10-15 02:12:54 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: wow that's racist.


Mormon isn't a race
 
2012-10-15 02:13:43 PM
I know that religion is a hands-off topic (at least when it is a Republican's religion), but, damn, the Mormons have some crazy shiat going on. When Romney started to look like he was going to get the nomination, I went through the Book of Mormon. Do the same and then come and tell me that Mormon beliefs aren't out in left field.
 
2012-10-15 02:14:26 PM

physt: beta_plus: But Obama hanging out with Reverend Wright was perfectly OK.

I'm sorry. Why do we hate Reverend Wright again?



He doesn't rhyme his sermons.
 
2012-10-15 02:14:46 PM
Mormon card,
 
2012-10-15 02:16:08 PM
All religions are bonkers. They do not have a place in government.
 
2012-10-15 02:16:27 PM

Teufelaffe: OneTimed: Fun fact: This November, there is a chance we will have elected the first openly non-Christian US President....and he's a REPUBLICAN!
Think about that for a second.

Do Mormons believe in the existence of Jesus Christ and his divinity? Then they're fuggin Christians.


So Muslims are Christians too?
 
2012-10-15 02:17:39 PM

Chevello: Teufelaffe: OneTimed: Fun fact: This November, there is a chance we will have elected the first openly non-Christian US President....and he's a REPUBLICAN!

Think about that for a second.

Do Mormons believe in the existence of Jesus Christ and his divinity? Then they're fuggin Christians.

IIRC the divinity (or lack of) is the part that's the deal breaker.

At least that is what the cult I belonged to taught.


Mormons believe in the divinity of Christ.* Ergo, they're Christians.

*They believe that Christ is a divine and transcendent being and the Son of God, but they don't believe that Christ and God are the same entity.
 
2012-10-15 02:19:06 PM
Serious question (that is probably going to expose one or more ignorances of mine): Mormons are required to give tithe, right? From their wages? So if he's elected president, some of the tax dollars used to pay his salary are going to be given to the church. Is that correct? And, assuming that's correct, this was probably happening while he was governor, too, yeah? How is this not a huge thing?
 
2012-10-15 02:19:10 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Beerguy: I have been married to a Mormon for 20 years.

I am not a Mormon.


Not trolling, honest question: why would a Mormon woman marry a non-Mormon man knowing that it will deny her the opportunity for celestial marriage, through which the man and woman literally become gods? Because becoming a god sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me - it would be hard to give that up.


She has been trying to convert my beer drinkin' heathen ass for the entire 20 years we have been married. I guess she thought she could wear me down.....lol.
 
2012-10-15 02:19:58 PM

Garble: Teufelaffe: OneTimed: Fun fact: This November, there is a chance we will have elected the first openly non-Christian US President....and he's a REPUBLICAN!
Think about that for a second.

Do Mormons believe in the existence of Jesus Christ and his divinity? Then they're fuggin Christians.

So Muslims are Christians too?


Well, they don't think he is of divinity...but they believe in the immaculate conception and the Second Coming!??!?

Now I'm wondering if the Nazarene church I once went to was really a sekrit mosque...
 
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