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(Newsweek)   "Mitt Romney was not a businessman; he was a master financial speculator who bought, sold, flipped, and stripped businesses," says noted liberal pinko former budget director for Ronald Reagan   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 254
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2012-10-15 04:16:49 PM

Fissile: I'm not any great fan of Reagan, but back in the day, a number of S&L swindlers were prosecuted, including Charles Keating, who actually did jail time. Even the "leftist" Obama has not moved against the current gang on Wall St and their bankster buddies, and this lot makes the S&L bunch look like amateur night by comparison. The Reagan type of Republican managed to retain some measure of adult self restraint. There is no doubt in my mind that the current bunch are outright sociopaths.


and some of those S&L swindlers got off without so much as a slap on the wrist... Silverado S&L... Neil Bush
Silverado Savings and Loan collapsed in 1988, costing taxpayers $1.3 billion. Neil Bush, son of then Vice President of the United States George H. W. Bush, was on the Board of Directors of Silverado at the time. Neil Bush was accused of giving himself a loan from Silverado, but he denied all wrongdoing.[24]

The U.S. Office of Thrift Supervision investigated Silverado's failure and determined that Neil Bush had engaged in numerous "breaches of his fiduciary duties involving multiple conflicts of interest." Although Bush was not indicted on criminal charges, a civil action was brought against him and the other Silverado directors by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation; it was eventually settled out of court, with Bush paying $50,000 as part of the settlement, the Washington Post reported.[25]

As a director of a failing thrift, Bush voted to approve $100 million in what were ultimately bad loans to two of his business partners. And in voting for the loans, he failed to inform fellow board members at Silverado Savings & Loan that the loan applicants were his business partners.[citation needed]

Neil Bush paid a $50,000 fine, paid for him by Republican supporters,[26] and was banned from banking activities for his role in taking down Silverado, which cost taxpayers $1.3 billion. A Resolution Trust Corporation Suit against Bush and other officers of Silverado was settled in 1991 for $26.5 million.
 
2012-10-15 04:20:18 PM
 
2012-10-15 04:20:40 PM

RobSeace: Not sure if serious... Did you really not know that we in Mass. have been living under "Obamacare" (though, we called it "Romneycare") since 2006? So-called Obamacare was based on Romneycare, and ends up being pretty much identical...


That's like saying you are allowed to bang the nanny because you are allowed to bang the wife.
 
2012-10-15 04:21:38 PM

StanTheMan: How anyone can think Barack "Government Solves Everything" Obama deserves re-election after his epic fail escapes me.


Since precious little in that sentence is true, no doubt much escapes you.
 
2012-10-15 04:29:49 PM

NightOwl2255: SandMann: So, Romney was as much a businessman as Obama was a professor?

Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors.


People with education know the difference between a full Professor and and the lesser grades of Professor. They are big differences. Someone of Obama's academic stature calling himself "Professor" is trying to pull one over.
 
2012-10-15 04:30:13 PM

geniusiknowit: Voiceofreason01: except Rand's philosophy conflates being very wealthy with being creative and productive

This is wrong. The biggest villains in Rand's novels were people who were wealthy but not productive, or not creative. Wealth can be amassed through graft, theft, and coercion, all of which are opposed by Objectivists.

vpb: This is true of a lot the investment and finance industry. It produces nothing but makes money by manipulating the system. It's not hard to figure out why people like Romney hate government regulation so much.

The portion of the finance industry that makes money by producing nothing is the result of regulation. Mitt Romney is a nasty, opportunistic turd. But, speculation and stripping companies happen to be valuable to a great many people in the economy. Speculation provides a great deal of information to producers and consumers about supply & demand, and stripping companies results in better allocation of those resources.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Frankly it doesn't really matter. The idea that we need a businessman to run government like a business is farking retarded.

Most of the people that spout this nonsense have obviously never worked for a large corporation.. here's a tip, they're not exactly paragons of efficiency and creative thinking.

They're efficient enough to remain in business, and that's all that matters as far as efficiency is concerned. Government, however, cannot be run like a business. Government remains in power though violence, not by keeping its balance sheet in the black. And then there's the calculation problem - government's provision of goods and services is irrational.

Vegan Meat Popsicle: probesport: Let's give him a chance to do it for the US, nothing else has worked so far.

Well, actually, basic Keynesian principles to pull us out of republican-induced tailspins followed by more conservative deficit-reducing efforts during times of prosperity when we can afford to pay off our debt have worked fine on ...


Austrian economic philosophy does not deal in empiricism, so it is worthless as a social science. Please stop linking to pseudo-econ.
 
2012-10-15 04:30:31 PM

Nutsac_Jim: RobSeace: Not sure if serious... Did you really not know that we in Mass. have been living under "Obamacare" (though, we called it "Romneycare") since 2006? So-called Obamacare was based on Romneycare, and ends up being pretty much identical...

That's like saying you are allowed to bang the nanny because you are allowed to bang the wife.


This analogy must be over my head or something, because it makes not the slightest bit of sense to me...

/Which one is hotter: the wife or the nanny?
 
2012-10-15 04:34:30 PM

Amos Quito: Ich bin mit Mitt.


Translation: I'm with stupid.
 
2012-10-15 04:40:21 PM

StanTheMan: Go try and rent an apartment with a 620 FICO.


Can be done though should be like not so long ago when you could rent an apartment and not worry about your credit sore.

irresponsible, i

He had no way to know there would be members of Congress all but pissing their pants when he went to actually close it. Also what's irresponsible about it?

SandMann: Someone of Obama's academic stature calling himself "Professor" is trying to pull one over.


Not according to the U of Chicago.
 
2012-10-15 04:42:38 PM

geniusiknowit: Creating new money doesn't create wealth, and can only stimulate malinvestment, by distorting the information contained in prices that producers rely upon.


The fact you typed that instead of explaining your position shows you have no idea what you're talking about and are just repeating whatever you've read someone else insists is right without actually learning to determine if it's right.
 
2012-10-15 04:51:54 PM

Ilmarinen: Amos Quito: Ich bin mit Mitt.

Translation: I'm with stupid.



Winner!
 
2012-10-15 04:52:55 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That's a kind of businessman.

Frankly it doesn't really matter. The idea that we need a businessman to run government like a business is farking retarded.


Well, the problem is that it is the wrong kind of businessman to be considered an expert in job creation. And it matters because it is one of his primary credentials touted.

But yeah, I've always laughed when they talk about someone in the finance industry as a businessperson. They really don't have a lot of experience generally in the actual operations of a company that creates something (i.e. the necessary underpinning to any economy).

Furthermore, even if you're in finance I suppose it would be something if you were particularly successful at it, and worked your way up on your own merits. However, he doesn't seem to have that part nailed either.
 
2012-10-15 04:55:51 PM
Isn't it funny how these articles about how bad some business practices are always tend to be written by authors who have "seen the light" after working in the industry for 20 years? From a quick Google, Stockman faced SEC charges in 2007 for defrauding investors while CEO of Collins & Aikman. He had installed himself as CEO of the company in 2003 after his private equity firm bought the company. In 2005, the company went bankrupt after it turned out that the company had inflated earnings by colluding with another company to book round-trip transactions.

But all is forgiven in America
 
2012-10-15 04:57:43 PM

StanTheMan: MSM's characterization: Obama 'evolves,' Romney 'flip-flops'


Everyone's positions change over time unless they brain dead dogmatists.

What makes Romney a flip-flopper is that his changes are numerous, often occur over very short times, and always seen to happen at the most convenient timing imaginable.

Romney is against abortion. Then he ran for office in Massachusetts where such a position is untenable. He was then pro-choice. Then he decided to run for the GOP presidential nomination and thus become rabidly pro-life. Then he wins and needs the usual shift to the center and thus goes from rabid pro-life to a softer, more gentile pro-life.

The famous Obama evolution on same-sex marriage is one that millions of Americans have changed their minds on in the last few years. Changing one's mind when society does is hardly a flip-flop. Is every person who changed their minds about segregation in the 1960s a flip-flopper too? If this is a flip-flop then just call America a flip-flop.

Romney has changed loads of things particularly from before he was nominated to his position during the debates. In the debates he said he was not going to reduce taxes of rich people which contradicted everything he has ever said on the issue and is clearly not what he believes. Use of Google will find plenty of more examples.
 
2012-10-15 05:04:22 PM
Here are the FACTS:

Romney is a venture capitalist. He was able to capitalize on the business environment and took advantage of opportunities that avails themselves through shrewed dealings and savvy manipulation of business loopholes. Illegal? NO.. Morally questionable? perhaps. but he/Bain was successful at that.

Nothing more nothing less.

Some of his voters have no problem with it.. many others really don;t know what that means and just loosely calls him a successful businessman.
 
2012-10-15 05:07:00 PM

SandMann: People with education know the difference between a full Professor and and the lesser grades of Professor. They are big differences. Someone of Obama's academic stature calling himself "Professor" is trying to pull one over.


I know you're Fark's leading dunderhead, but did you even bother reading the linked source? According to you, the University of Chicago Law School, in its entirety, lacks your level of education. I bet you're on the way to the gym.
 
2012-10-15 05:15:23 PM
Mitt Romney = Richard Gere in Pretty Woman.

This is a pretty fair description of how he made his money
 
2012-10-15 05:18:27 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Some of his voters have no problem with it.. many others really don;t know what that means and just loosely calls him a successful businessman.


I think maybe if he didn't keep harping about jobs and telling Obama that he's too soft on China, I could chalk it up to him just being a sleazy corporate raider instead of also being a blatant hypocrite douchebag.
 
2012-10-15 05:24:36 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: The famous Obama evolution on same-sex marriage is one that millions of Americans have changed their minds on in the last few years. Changing one's mind when society does is hardly a flip-flop. Is every person who changed their minds about segregation in the 1960s a flip-flopper too? If this is a flip-flop then just call America a flip-flop.


Also, to be honest, many people suspected that Obama secretly supported same-sex marriage rights, he was just afraid of political consequences if he openly did it.

It's one reason his supporters really don't mind him "flip flopping" or evolving or whatever on the issue, it's more that he well "came out" in support of it, when people suspected he'd been "in the closet" about supporting marriage equality.

Even if he honestly did change his mind, yeah, polls show that a majority of Americans now support the issue, and that number has changed substantially in the last decade. Honestly, he's not the only one to say that he supports it now and didn't a while back.

Mitt's flip-flops aren't on pressing social issues where there is a general trend in one direction, and he followed the trend. It's changing positions back and forth in short order on a wide variety of issues. I honestly, right now, as somebody who keeps a close eye on US politics, tell you honestly what Mitt Romney's position is on almost any issue, because he's contradicted himself and changed his positions so many times that nobody knows for sure.
 
2012-10-15 05:30:56 PM

gameshowhost: Austrian economic philosophy does not deal in empiricism, so it is worthless as a social science. Please stop linking to pseudo-econ.


Empiricism cannot serve as the basis for economic understand. That's the biggest reason why other economic schools of rarely produce any valuable economic insight - in their rejection of aprioristic deduction, they all but ignore why people engage in economic activity, and spend most of their time dealing in what amounts to numerology. It's a social science, not a hard science, and you should mind the difference. People are not mindless particles, and the values that motivate their economic activity cannot be expressed or measured in cardinal terms. Economics should not deal in empiricism.

WhyteRaven74: The fact you typed that instead of explaining your position shows you have no idea what you're talking about and are just repeating whatever you've read someone else insists is right without actually learning to determine if it's right.


What I wrote was proportional to the comment to which I replied. It is not incumbent on me to detail an entire theory just to argue against someone's short comment on Fark. Feel free to contribute something to the discussion, though.
 
2012-10-15 05:34:06 PM
If "Corporations are people, my friend," wasn't Romney a serial killer at Bain?
 
2012-10-15 05:43:13 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Here are the FACTS:

Romney is a venture capitalist. He was able to capitalize on the business environment and took advantage of opportunities that avails themselves through shrewed dealings and savvy manipulation of business loopholes. Illegal? NO.. Morally questionable? perhaps. but he/Bain was successful at that.

Nothing more nothing less..


Well... no.

It's not "nothing more nothing less". The whole point of the article was to draw a line between productive businesses, such as someone who builds up an enterprise designing and selling watches, and the finance guys who are juggling money and inventing new derivatives.

Romney and the other finance guys are trying to squeeze their way under the "businessman" umbrella, but the bottom line is that isn't the type of businessman we need more of. We don't need more leveraged buyout guys, hedge fund managers, and venture capitalists. Romney is the crack dealer who's saying "it's just a different type of pharmaceutical".
 
2012-10-15 05:53:52 PM
NewsWeek is not a source to be trusted for news
 
2012-10-15 05:58:24 PM

HairBolus: DaCaptain19: At least Republicans didn't start this expensive and useless "war on drugs".

? The term was first used by U.S. president Richard Nixon, and was later popularized by the media.[7][8][9]


I was hoping for more reaction...I thought the nice touch on "War on Drugs" is that Mrs. Reagan made that her "cause" (Just Say No).
 
2012-10-15 06:00:34 PM

RobSeace: ManateeGag: FlashHarry: Myth Romney

everything is lies

Mitt Romney is secretly Cardassian. Whar Earf Cirtificat!? Whar?

Don't be silly... We all know he's a Soong type android!

Moopy Mac: xynix: propasaurus: And even if you do accept that he was a businessman, a genius who ran a company, what's he done since he retired in 1999?

He ran the Olympics and then was a governor for 4 years. This is what Republicans look at.. Did he suck at running the Olympics? In a financial way yes but they don't see that. Did he invent Obamacare while governor of MA? Indeed he did but that doesn't matter. Did Bain Capital do all kinds of sneaky shiat? Of course they did but capitalism is capitalism and it doesn't matter because he hasn't run the company since 1999. The years of 1978-1999 have no bearing on who he is today and what he stands for today.

wut?

Not sure if serious... Did you really not know that we in Mass. have been living under "Obamacare" (though, we called it "Romneycare") since 2006? So-called Obamacare was based on Romneycare, and ends up being pretty much identical...


You think Romney "invented" that idea in 2006?
 
2012-10-15 06:08:45 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Here are the FACTS:

Romney is a venture capitalist. He was able to capitalize on the business environment and took advantage of opportunities that avails themselves through shrewed dealings and savvy manipulation of business loopholes. Illegal? NO.. Morally questionable? perhaps. but he/Bain was successful at that.

Nothing more nothing less.

Some of his voters have no problem with it.. many others really don;t know what that means and just loosely calls him a successful businessman.


Bain Capital was/is a private equity fund specializing in purchasing and selling established (often distressed) companies.

"Venture capital (VC) is financial capital provided to early-stage, high-potential, high risk, growth startup companies."

Bain Capital was not a VC fund.
 
2012-10-15 06:13:53 PM

Moopy Mac: SuperNinjaToad: Here are the FACTS:

Romney is a venture capitalist. He was able to capitalize on the business environment and took advantage of opportunities that avails themselves through shrewed dealings and savvy manipulation of business loopholes. Illegal? NO.. Morally questionable? perhaps. but he/Bain was successful at that.

Nothing more nothing less.

Some of his voters have no problem with it.. many others really don;t know what that means and just loosely calls him a successful businessman.

Bain Capital was/is a private equity fund specializing in purchasing and selling established (often distressed) companies.

"Venture capital (VC) is financial capital provided to early-stage, high-potential, high risk, growth startup companies."

Bain Capital was not a VC fund.


I guess I should add a little more detail.

Bain initially invested strongly in VC. Romney maneuvered it out of that area into the world of leveraged acquisition. Criticism of his business practices are not on the VC side, but rather the leverage acquisition side of Bain.
 
2012-10-15 06:14:44 PM
liar and a rapist.

and an insult to the people of the LDS faith.

but hey, you think you are going to find an honest politician that gives a damn about regular people and lives up to their campaign promises?
 
2012-10-15 06:15:43 PM

Moopy Mac: You think Romney "invented" that idea in 2006?


No, he stole it from the conservative Heritage Foundation... But, he was the first one to get it implemented anywhere, so he gets the credit, right or wrong...

It's amazing that Republicans suddenly decided they didn't like the idea as soon as a Democrat decided to adopt it...
 
2012-10-15 06:18:37 PM

Moopy Mac: You think Romney "invented" that idea in 2006?


For the record, in case certain parties here don't know.

The "individual mandate" style healthcare reform that's the heart of Romneycare/Obamacare was first proposed in 1989 by The Heritage Institute, a highly conservative think tank.

Circa 1994, when Hillary Clinton was trying to push for single-payer healthcare reform in the US, this system was proposed as the Republican counterpart. Republicans wouldn't support single payer, too socialist. Democrats wouldn't support Individual Mandate, too corporate welfare, not sweeping enough change. So, nothing happened.

This system was the Republican healthcare reform plan, proposed but never enacted, for a decade or more before Romney got it passed in Massachusetts. That uber-liberal state went for it largely out of desperation for ANY healthcare reform, even if it was highly imperfect.

For 20 years before Obamacare was passed it was a conservative/Republican idea. Only when a Democrat POTUS proposed it, trying to compromise and desperately wanting any kind of healthcare reform, willing to agree to the Republican version just to make something happen. . .suddenly they do a complete about face and the exact same plan they'd backed for two decades was now socialist, communist, Marxist, the end of freedom, oppression, ect.

So, to ANYBODY who says that the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare, aka Romnecare) is socialist/communist or anything else bad, were you badmouthing it before January 2009 or did you only care when a black Democrat President suggested it?
 
2012-10-15 06:45:18 PM

Supahl33t: Yes, having lawyers for president has worked out so wall for us in the past.


This is way down the thread and everyone knows you are an idiot, but here are some more presidential lawyer:

I'm not going to list the massive number of US presidents ranging from Jefferson, Madison, and Lincoln to Andrew Jackson, Clinton, and FDR.

I'll list all of the presidents that WEREN'T lawyers:
George Washington
William Harrison
Zachary Taylor
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses Grant

James Garfield
Teddy Roosevelt
Warren Harding
Herbert Hoover
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
John F Kennedy
Lyndon Johnson
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
George HW Bush
George W Bush

Only 17/44 weren't lawyers - including five of the WORST presidents (in bold)
 
2012-10-15 07:44:36 PM
That's nothing, have you heard about Big Bird, yet?
 
2012-10-15 07:58:11 PM

FlashHarry: Myth Romney

everything is lies


Myths have value. Herakles smash. Samson breaks down the walls.
 
2012-10-15 08:26:35 PM

bornyesterday: NewsWeek is not a source to be trusted for news


You mean Stockman, Reagan's budget director, didn't write all of those things?
Damn. He should sue.
 
2012-10-15 08:53:10 PM
So Reagan started it and people like Mitt took it to it's natural conclusion, so he's bad? No, they're both bad. Screw Reagan, Romney and David Stockman. He sounds jealous.
 
2012-10-15 08:58:06 PM

Grungehamster: I think "Romney is an evil man with ill intent" is a silly argument to make, I think he believes his administration will be what's best for America, but he also probably thought what he did at Bain was best for America since it strengthened the financial standing of the smartest guys in the room.


"the smartest guys in the room"?

So many jokes, so little time.
 
2012-10-15 09:06:55 PM

propasaurus: SkunkWerks: Sofa King Smart: Oh, you want an 'extreme conservative'.. I'm an extreme conservative! You want pro-life... I'm very pro-life...(except for the years that I was very pro-choice...)

While I'm not fond of Mitt Romney, this pretty much describes every politician ever.

People keep saying he "stands for nothing" as if most politicians don't determine their next move by licking their finger and raising it to the wind. A more accurate representation might be seen as a difference of degrees, maybe. I've got an issue with detractors who continuously harp on his "chameleon" approach to politics as if he's cornered the marketshare on it.

So both sides are bad, you say? What a unique perspective.


Shake that Etch-a-Sketch!
 
2012-10-15 09:19:29 PM

Bigdogdaddy: So Reagan started it and people like Mitt took it to it's natural conclusion, so he's bad? No, they're both bad. Screw Reagan, Romney and David Stockman. He sounds jealous.


==============

Actually, Nixon started it with the the GOP's "Southern Strategy". At first, it was a smart move. Get all the rubes, hillbillies, Klansmen, Christian Taliban etc to help vote you into office.....since corporations can't vote...yet. Once in office, cater to the corporations, Wall St and bankers......the true GOP base.....and throw a bone to the rednecks who voted you into office.....usually some crap guaranteeing access to guns and cousin marriage. Unfortunately, to get enough votes to win, the GOP has been forced recently to pander to ever more extreme elements......gold bugs, black helicopter watchers, Christian Sharia types, conspiracy freaks, etc.....people formally known as the "lunatic fringe". The corporate criminals are now getting a bit frightened. Some are wondering if they have unleashed a Frankenstein, a monster that may set the entire enterprise on fire. That's why you are seeing the backpedaling by more sensible GOP types.
 
2012-10-15 09:34:28 PM

MacWizard: Grungehamster: I think "Romney is an evil man with ill intent" is a silly argument to make, I think he believes his administration will be what's best for America, but he also probably thought what he did at Bain was best for America since it strengthened the financial standing of the smartest guys in the room.

"the smartest guys in the room"?

So many jokes, so little time.


I'm not sure if you we're on the same side of this or not; I was referencing the title of a non-fiction book/documentary on Enron. The idea is that these people who have participated in these sort of market manipulation see themselves as earning the money because they were able to lobby for and then use methods of creating gains and losses on paper as needed to maximize their profits and minimize their obligations.

They see themselves as geniuses for being able to game the system, and they justify the severe inequality these policies allow for by saying that they are more enlightened and know how to properly spend it than the plebs who would get the money otherwise and waste it. Hell, some of them say that the government should let them determine their own tax rates, because they know what deserves the most money for good of the public better than any public servant does.

My point was that I don't think these people are evil; it's really stupid to think that. They just have these delusions that they are such elites that they can justify their self-image as job creators who earned every penny they made by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
 
2012-10-15 09:49:05 PM

Supahl33t: Karma Curmudgeon: Supahl33t: I'll take Lincoln over Woodrow "Let the KKK in the White House" Wilson any day.

And yet Wilson wasn't a lawyer but Lincoln was.

So, you don't really have a point, do you? Combined with this post, now I'm thinking you actually didn't try to make one, but instead are playing $10,000 Pyramid with us and the category is "Things Glen Beck might say".

My bad, we haven't had Democrat lawyers try to run the country.

Democratic and Republican Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates since 1980, and let's seehow many lawyers there were:

[Democratic] Attorneys (10 out of 12 total - 83%)
Obama
Biden
Kerry
Edwards
Lieberman
Clinton
Dukakis
Bentsen
Mondale
Ferarro
[Possibly Gore, who never graduated - if he's included, the percentage is 92%]
Carter was the only non-lawyer, non-law school attendee.

[Republican] Attorneys (2 out of 9 total - 22%)
Dole
Quayle

Non-lawyers - McCain, Palin, Bush 43, Cheney, Kemp, Bush 41 and Reagan

Keep on grasping there you twit.


So what you're saying is lawyers support ending wars and non-lawyers support escalating them?
 
2012-10-15 10:14:15 PM

bin_smokin: Mitt Romney = Richard Gere in Pretty Woman.

This is a pretty fair description of how he made his money


Yes. But unlike Richard Gere, Romney never had an attack of conscience when closing a deal.
 
2012-10-15 10:32:58 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: bin_smokin: Mitt Romney = Richard Gere in Pretty Woman.

This is a pretty fair description of how he made his money

Yes. But unlike Richard Gere, Romney never had an attack of conscience when closing a deal.


Ann is no Julia Roberts.
 
2012-10-15 10:43:48 PM

geniusiknowit: Empiricism cannot serve as the basis for economic understand.


*:-|*

Did you really just type that?

/wow
 
2012-10-15 10:49:17 PM

propasaurus: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: bin_smokin: Mitt Romney = Richard Gere in Pretty Woman.

This is a pretty fair description of how he made his money

Yes. But unlike Richard Gere, Romney never had an attack of conscience when closing a deal.

Ann is no Julia Roberts.


Don't forget that Julia Roberts was only 21 when "Pretty Woman" was being filmed. Ann was pretty cute too, back in the day:

images2.dailykos.com
 
2012-10-15 11:22:33 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: Supahl33t: My bad, we haven't had Democrat lawyers try to run the country.

Democratic and Republican Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates since 1980, and let's seehow many lawyers there were:

[Democratic] Attorneys (10 out of 12 total - 83%)
Obama
Biden
Kerry
Edwards
Lieberman
Clinton
Dukakis
Bentsen
Mondale
Ferarro
[Possibly Gore, who never graduated - if he's included, the percentage is 92%]
Carter was the only non-lawyer, non-law school attendee.

[Republican] Attorneys (2 out of 9 total - 22%)
Dole
Quayle

Non-lawyers - McCain, Palin, Bush 43, Cheney, Kemp, Bush 41 and Reagan

Keep on grasping there you twit.

Percentage of Democratic lawyers presidenting us into a financial collapse - 0%

Percentage of Republican MBA's presidenting us into a financial collapse - 100%

Also, Romney has his juris doctorate as well as his MBA, so I put the probability that he will president us into a financial collapse at 204%. QED.


Also, I'm seeing Politician, failed Politician, Politician/failed businessman, Politician/successful businessman, Politician/Football player, Politician, Former Union President/Actor/Politician.
 
2012-10-15 11:51:14 PM
You didn't build that!
 
2012-10-15 11:52:11 PM

Supahl33t: Democrat lawyers


DRINK!
 
2012-10-16 12:01:11 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: You didn't build that!


I know of no businessmen that provided their startup with their own police, fire department, water supply, highway system, etc.
 
2012-10-16 02:18:19 AM

SkunkWerks: propasaurus: So both sides are bad, you say?

No. I say that If you want to apply what you feel is a pointed criticism to the matter of why Romney is bad, it's probably best to choose one that isn't true of about 99.99999% of people in the same profession. Or at the very least, you might point out how his adherence to it is in some way significantly different.

It tends to get down to brass tacks a hell of a lot faster.


False equivalence. 'That guy is a war criminal.' 'Yeah? Well, that guy's a jaywalker! They're BOTH criminals!'
 
2012-10-16 04:07:45 AM

geniusiknowit: Economics should not deal in empiricism.


So then, why do you care about printing money or any other such thing?
 
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