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(Deadspin)   FOX's love affair with Joe Buck goes into overdrive as he works both the San Francisco 49ers and the San Francisco Giants games   (deadspin.com) divider line 106
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2012-10-15 02:48:10 PM

LemSkroob: Too bad his cable car's wire didn't snap and sending it careening down the hill towards the harbor, slamming into a class of 4th graders on a field trip before breaking through the guardrails and into the water.


I find this offensive only because you randomly needed 4th graders to get hit. Can't they just watch as he goes by and cheer?
 
2012-10-15 02:50:48 PM
Tell ya what. How about us Canadians make you a trade? We'll take Buck off your hands in exchange for Rod Black. This is a man who once opined on an NBA broadcast, "Nothing but rope!".
 
2012-10-15 02:56:09 PM
Joe Buck I don't mind so much...

but Tm McCarver makes me want to commit seppuku

Lou Holtz too....
 
2012-10-15 02:56:57 PM

LemSkroob: Too bad his cable car's wire didn't snap and sending it careening down the hill towards the harbor, slamming into a class of 4th graders on a field trip before breaking through the guardrails and into the water.


While agree with the sentiment, the asshole didn't actually ride there on a cable car--both of the cable car lines run far to the north of both Candlestick and AT&T, so that he would've had to go miles out of his way to get on one--and anyway the nearest cable car stop it at least a mile from AT&T Park (and probably 5 miles from Candlestick). He rode on some stupid touristy bus-like street vehicle made up to look like a cable car--the kind of thing that they would use for sightseeing tours of the city for tour groups from Des Moines. And yes, it would've been good if the thing had blown a tire crossing the bridge behind the ballpark, gone out of control and careened off the road and dropped into China Basin, then sunk to the bottom like a stone, while the nearby fans walking to the ballpark cheered in appreciation.
 
2012-10-15 02:58:15 PM
lunchinlewis:But not before crashing through a giant piece of glass being carried across the road and getting caught in one of those giant dragon floats.

I see what you did there, Steve.
 
2012-10-15 02:59:03 PM
OK, I can officially blame Buck on both SF teams losing yesterday. He's a jinx!
 
2012-10-15 02:59:17 PM
Yeah..... Joe Buck's not that bad.
 
2012-10-15 03:06:11 PM

Moodybastard: Joe Buck I don't mind so much...
but Tm McCarver makes me want to commit seppuku


I dunno, McCarver just usually sounds like he's either drunk or took to many foul tips or Bob Gibson fastballs to the head back in the days before catchers wore helmets. He adds nothing of value and says a bunch of stupid shiat, and sounds like he has the IQ of a houseplant, but you can at least laugh about how stupid the shiat he says is.

Buck, on the other hand, is just a talentless and unknowledgeable hack who comes off as a smarmy and yet boring prick, and he makes me want to throw the TV remote through the screen as soon as he opens his mouth. He owes his entire career to the fact the he's Jack Buck's son, despite the fact that he doesn't even have 1% of his old man's talents. He is to baseball announcing as Mitt Romney is to politics--an untalented, privileged prick who got where he is solely because of the luck of being born the son of a famous and much more talented dad. I'm not surprised that he pissed in a Farker's shoes just to be an asshole.
 
2012-10-15 03:07:30 PM
Imagine Tim McCarver and John Madden in the booth together
 
2012-10-15 03:13:28 PM

lunchinlewis: LemSkroob: Too bad his cable car's wire didn't snap and sending it careening down the hill towards the harbor, slamming into a class of 4th graders on a field trip before breaking through the guardrails and into the water.

But not before crashing through a giant piece of glass being carried across the road and getting caught in one of those giant dragon floats.


It's a privilege to meet you, sir.
 
2012-10-15 03:15:18 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Joe Buck in Dallas '63: "I'm noticing that the president is shaking his head back and to the left. He appears tired, doesn't he Tim?"

Tim McCarver: "This one time I took a Bob Gibson fastball off the mask, and I've been shakin' my head like that ever since."

Joe: "I'm sure it's not significant enough for me to emote."


Only Joe Morgan is worse than Tim MCCarver with his "One time, at band camp..." stories.

We get it Joe, you played on some good teams years ago. You don't need to remind us multiple times an inning.
 
2012-10-15 03:18:11 PM

IAmRight: LemSkroob: Too bad his cable car's wire didn't snap and sending it careening down the hill towards the harbor, slamming into a class of 4th graders on a field trip before breaking through the guardrails and into the water.

I find this offensive only because you randomly needed 4th graders to get hit. Can't they just watch as he goes by and cheer?


Not random at all. This way, whenever someone thinks of Joe Buck, they also think of all those 4th graders that died at the same time. Then, Joe Buck would be forever associated with a horrific tragedy.
 
2012-10-15 03:23:05 PM

LemSkroob: IAmRight: LemSkroob: Too bad his cable car's wire didn't snap and sending it careening down the hill towards the harbor, slamming into a class of 4th graders on a field trip before breaking through the guardrails and into the water.

I find this offensive only because you randomly needed 4th graders to get hit. Can't they just watch as he goes by and cheer?

Not random at all. This way, whenever someone thinks of Joe Buck, they also think of all those 4th graders that died at the same time. Then, Joe Buck would be forever associated with a horrific tragedy.


He is. Every week.
 
2012-10-15 03:23:48 PM

mjohnson71: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Joe Buck in Dallas '63: "I'm noticing that the president is shaking his head back and to the left. He appears tired, doesn't he Tim?"

Tim McCarver: "This one time I took a Bob Gibson fastball off the mask, and I've been shakin' my head like that ever since."

Joe: "I'm sure it's not significant enough for me to emote."

Only Joe Morgan is worse than Tim MCCarver with his "One time, at band camp..." stories.

We get it Joe, you played on some good teams years ago. You don't need to remind us multiple times an inning.


This is what Adrian Gonzalez was complaining about. It wasn't playing at night and not getting rest Sunday night through Monday. It was being on a team that played on Fox every Saturday and dealt with Buck and McCarver, then played the next night on ESPN to deal with Miller and Morgan.

And this whole thing leads me to wonder what a room with McCarver and Aikman would be like. It would have to be a dizzy headed concussion circues, no?
 
2012-10-15 03:25:40 PM
Figured Buck HAD to be there since he's a homer for The Cardinals.

And is it me, or does Tim McCarver look extra awful in the article's picture?
 
2012-10-15 03:31:34 PM

LemSkroob: Too bad his cable car's wire didn't snap and sending it careening down the hill towards the harbor, slamming into a class of 4th graders on a field trip before breaking through the guardrails and into the water.


"Wassamatta? Stling bloke?"

-old SF cablecar joke
 
2012-10-15 03:31:53 PM

LessO2: Figured Buck HAD to be there since he's a homer for The Cardinals.


Is there anybody on that particular broadcast team that isn't?

i.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-10-15 03:35:04 PM

LemSkroob: Not random at all. This way, whenever someone thinks of Joe Buck, they also think of all those 4th graders that died at the same time. Then, Joe Buck would be forever associated with a horrific tragedy.


Can he be framed so we think of him as a child murderer instead of just happening to be involved?
 
2012-10-15 03:47:24 PM
I'd rather listen to Hawk Harrelson than Tim McCarver.

The Tigers have pretty good guys both for radio and TV, we're fortunate when it comes to announcers. If we make the World Series, I'll probably listen to the radio with the TV on mute.
 
2012-10-15 03:54:04 PM
I think that whoever is announcing a game, that person or group of people, should know about the teams that are playing. Not just the crap from the press guide or whatever, but a real knowledge of the players and where the teams are in their season. With the Fox team you get a couple of guys who do the play by play okay and read from the press guide and repeat whatever the guys in the truck whisper in their ears and that only goes so far.
There is also a certain amount of "East coast bias" that comes through. Buck & McCarver are more knowledgeable about the East coast teams and that comes across as a bias in the way they announce the games.
The job that Buck & McCarver are doing is not that complicated; there are other people who can do a better job who have local knowledge. During the playoffs it would be nice if Fox gave us better announcers than these plug and play guys.
 
2012-10-15 03:59:52 PM
Cyberluddite: Buck, on the other hand, is just a talentless and unknowledgeable hack who comes off as a smarmy and yet boring prick, and he makes me want to throw the TV remote through the screen as soon as he opens his mouth.

Who is a "good" baseball announcer? Difficulty: modern generation.
 
2012-10-15 04:00:43 PM

crass751: I'd rather listen to Hawk Harrelson than Tim McCarver.


I'm sure this got a thread on Fark but I missed it:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044418000457801665237624 6 198.html

Found it hilarious that they rated the "homerism" of the local announcers, and Harrelson got a 104, while the second place guy got a 23.
 
2012-10-15 04:01:24 PM

gmacbeth: "Candlestick Park, where the 49ers play, is in the southeastern corner of the city and AT&T Park, where the Giants play, is in the northeastern part of the city.
Buck plans to arrive by cable car at AT&T Park after calling the football Giants' game."

Sorry but wrong. Candlestick is in the extreme Southeast part of the city but AT&T would still be considered the Southwest part of the city.

Someone get a map to these people.


AT&T Park is on the Bay about a block from the SP/Cal Train station. East, but not northeastern part of the City, that would put it at the end of Market Street
 
2012-10-15 04:04:07 PM

dletter: crass751: I'd rather listen to Hawk Harrelson than Tim McCarver.

I'm sure this got a thread on Fark but I missed it:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044418000457801665237624 6 198.html

Found it hilarious that they rated the "homerism" of the local announcers, and Harrelson got a 104, while the second place guy got a 23.


I bet he was proud of being #1 on that list too.
 
2012-10-15 04:08:44 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Joe Buck is worse than Hitler, root canals, and Applebee's combined.


hey....that's unfair. he's not as bad as Apllebee's.
 
2012-10-15 04:09:20 PM

Daniels: Who is a "good" baseball announcer? Difficulty: modern generation.


Of the ones I've watched: Vin Scully, the current Detroit team, the current Diamond Back's team, (I'm partial to the Blue Jays team), David Cone when he is in the Yankee booth, and there are probably more but those are ones I like.
 
2012-10-15 04:17:40 PM

Daniels: Cyberluddite: Buck, on the other hand, is just a talentless and unknowledgeable hack who comes off as a smarmy and yet boring prick, and he makes me want to throw the TV remote through the screen as soon as he opens his mouth.

Who is a "good" baseball announcer? Difficulty: modern generation.


Vin Scully--always a pleasure to listen to, despite being the announcer for the hated Dodgers. Jon Miller. The Giants' TV announcers, Mike Krukow and Duane Kuiper. The recently-departed (and deeply missed) Ernie Harwell. I've heard very little of the Mets' announcers (Ron Darling, Keith Hernandez, and I can't remember who else), but from what the little I've heard, they seem pretty good.

I don't hear that many teams' local announcers, so I'm sure there are other good ones out there, but that's not the point. Buck/McCarver don't need to be the best, but given that Fox always broadcasts the World Series and at least one of the LCS, is it too much to ask for that Fox should at least not hire the very worst?
 
2012-10-15 04:18:01 PM

LesserEvil: Paging NakedReporta and his soaking shoes...


funk_soul_bubby: So he peed in both shoes?


Cyberluddite: He is to baseball announcing as Mitt Romney is to politics--an untalented, privileged prick who got where he is solely because of the luck of being born the son of a famous and much more talented dad. I'm not surprised that he pissed in a Farker's shoes just to be an asshole.


Sorry I'm late to the party. Enjoy.

Apply directly to forehead in the event of a Joe Buck article:

Joe Buck Pissed In My Shoes
a short narrative by NakedReporta

Back when I was 11 and living in St. Louis, my parents decided I was too smart to be wasting my time in public schools and started seeking out private schools. The choice was eventually narrowed to two: John Burroughs and Country Day. I took the admittance test for each, but a kid I really hated from the public school I had attended was also trying to get into Burroughs, so I tanked that test.

Come fall, I was a seventh-grader at St. Louis Country Day School (known as CODASCO for short), whose famous alums include Vincent Price and John Danforth. And so began a year of sheer living hell. Most of the kids at CODASCO came from monied families, while I was this socially inept middle-class kid who wore the same Sears-bought suit every day. I was an immediate target.

One of my classmates was Joe Buck, the son of legendary Cardinals announcer Jack Buck. Joe was kind of a big, fat kid, but he had all the airs of social entitlement. Typical of the kind of stupid crap Buck would pull on me was to ask me if I "knew" my mother or to mock my attire. On more than one occasion, he was one of the ringleaders as five or six kids would decide to simultaneously throttle me.

But the final indignity came on a spring afternoon when we had gym class. We all changed into our standard-issue t-shirts and shorts and trotted out to the baseball field. All, that is, except Joe Buck, who bolted out of the locker room about a minute behind the rest. And when gym period was over, and we returned to the locker room, there were my Docksides-knockoff loafers, filled with the acrid stench of urine. Buck denied it, and the gym teacher didn't really give a shiat.

I had to wear my gym sneakers the rest of the day, then tearfully explain to my parents what had happened. They decided to press the issue, and it culminated in Joe and his mom and my mother and I all meeting with the headmaster. Joe denied it, I couldn't prove it, and the headmaster made us shake hands. I knew the remaining months were only going to be worse. The group beatings and mockery intensified. I barely passed my way through the seventh grade, and the next year I was back in public school. The torment continued -- hey, I was a real dork -- but at least it was free.

Look, kids can do cruel things. Joe was looking to be one of the guys, and I was an easy mark. He couldn't have any idea that my home life was simultaneously crumbling, and that what could have been a respite (time in school, away from home) was instead just compounding my nightmare. I suppose I should forgive the guy. But I can't.

I've managed to slog through a pretty respectable career as a writer. Joe, with his family ties and -- even I have to admit -- considerable talent, is the voice of FOX Sports. And every time I watch a marquee sporting event on FOX, I can't help but pause and reflect that, all those many years ago, that prick pissed in my shoes.
 
2012-10-15 04:19:40 PM
Tim McCarver once said that Shawn Green spends all season training his body so that he can play on Yom Kippur while fasting.
 
2012-10-15 04:24:15 PM

crass751: I'd rather listen to Hawk Harrelson than Tim McCarver.

The Tigers have pretty good guys both for radio and TV, we're fortunate when it comes to announcers. If we make the World Series, I'll probably listen to the radio with the TV on mute.


I tried that the other day but the delay between the radio and the TV was too much to bear.
 
2012-10-15 04:24:43 PM

Cyberluddite: Vin Scully--always a pleasure to listen to, despite being the announcer for the hated Dodgers. Jon Miller. The Giants' TV announcers, Mike Krukow and Duane Kuiper. The recently-departed (and deeply missed) Ernie Harwell. I've heard very little of the Mets' announcers (Ron Darling, Keith Hernandez, and I can't remember who else), but from what the little I've heard, they seem pretty good.


Ron Darling did the Nats games for a year or two, I thought he was pretty good. And I hear he has gotten better since.

I like Gary Thorne, although I rarely find myself watching an Orioles game. I probably associate his voice more with those excellent hockey playoffs he called, but I like to listen to his baseball work too. Jon Miller is also good. The O's have been lucky with some vary good broadcasters over the years (TV and radio).
 
2012-10-15 04:24:44 PM

Daniels: Who is a "good" baseball announcer? Difficulty: modern generation.


I'm an A's fan, but I always loved to listen to the Giants' Hank Greenwald. My all-time favorite.
 
2012-10-15 04:25:10 PM

Cyberluddite: Daniels: Cyberluddite: Buck, on the other hand, is just a talentless and unknowledgeable hack who comes off as a smarmy and yet boring prick, and he makes me want to throw the TV remote through the screen as soon as he opens his mouth.

Who is a "good" baseball announcer? Difficulty: modern generation.

Vin Scully--always a pleasure to listen to, despite being the announcer for the hated Dodgers. Jon Miller. The Giants' TV announcers, Mike Krukow and Duane Kuiper. The recently-departed (and deeply missed) Ernie Harwell. I've heard very little of the Mets' announcers (Ron Darling, Keith Hernandez, and I can't remember who else), but from what the little I've heard, they seem pretty good.

I don't hear that many teams' local announcers, so I'm sure there are other good ones out there, but that's not the point. Buck/McCarver don't need to be the best, but given that Fox always broadcasts the World Series and at least one of the LCS, is it too much to ask for that Fox should at least not hire the very worst?


The Mets' announcers are pretty fantastic. Cohen's as a good a play-by-play guy as there is out there, except obviously Scully. Keith Hernandez is entertaining, and Darling's good when he's watching guys all season. He's very boring when TBS uses him for a game between teams he doesn't know.

Gotta say, I don't like Jon Miller. He annoys me. If Carlos Beltran says he pronounces his name BELtran, shut up with the belTRAN.
 
2012-10-15 04:33:31 PM
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In my view, as good as the Yankees were in the first half of this game, that's how as bad they've been now.
 
2012-10-15 04:50:56 PM
I watched both games as I lay hungover on my couch all day and no one praised me. Where's the love, Fox?
 
2012-10-15 04:53:55 PM

Lando Lincoln: I know most of you guys are going to completely disagree with me, but I really don't mind Joe Buck as an announcer. He's just there.

Jon Gruden, on the other hand, makes me want to down a fifth of whiskey so I'll be drunk enough to smash my television.

Yes, I know Joe Buck is play-by-play and Gruden is color commentary.


same here. never got the hate for Joe Buck. I don't mind him at all. Gruden should be fed into a wood chipper. alive.

He'll never coach again, because then people will figure out what a fraud he was. He was at the perfect place at the perfect time. He won it all with Tony Dungy's team. I've been a Raiders fan since 1970, and i couldn't farking stand him when he was with the Raiders.
 
2012-10-15 04:56:02 PM

thecpt: ukexpat: Has anyone else notice that Ron Darling sounds exactly like James Woods?

yes. It would make me laugh if he didn't say stupid things.


Ooohhh, a piece of candy!
 
2012-10-15 05:00:15 PM
That reminds me, I missed out on a chance to relay the NakedReporta story in real life yesterday. Was gonna do it after we ate, but I left the party early.
 
2012-10-15 05:03:01 PM

Cyberluddite: Tim McCarver, who clearly took too many foul balls off the side of his head) is the absolutely worst baseball announcer there is.


also agree. McCarver reminds me of the bitter guy who is aging, and not gracefully. I didn't mind him 25 years ago, but with every passing year i like him less. Now I wish he'd just go away.
 
2012-10-15 05:03:03 PM

skullkrusher: I watched both games as I lay hungover on my couch all day and no one praised me. Where's the love, Fox?


But you didn't ride on a tourist bus in the shape of a Cable Car while doing that.
 
2012-10-15 05:36:08 PM
Jon MIller. Never says. A complete sentence. He always. Has to pause. And wait for. His mouth. To catch up. To his brain. It drives. Me. Farking crazy. He. sucks.
 
2012-10-15 05:45:11 PM

greggm59: Jon MIller. Never says. A complete sentence. He always. Has to pause. And wait for. His mouth. To catch up. To his brain. It drives. Me. Farking crazy. He. sucks.


I agree. He replaced Hank Greenwald in San Francisco, and everyone there slobbers all over him. I'd rather listen to an angle grinder.
 
2012-10-15 05:55:42 PM
I think Fox was looking for a personable catcher to do color. Uecker and Garagiola were entertaining.

Joe Buck was trading on his father's name. Joe needs to go listen to old tapes of Keith Jackson, Curt Gowdy, Mel Allen and Red Barber.

I'm just glad that Cosell is no longer around. Who in hell cares about the celebrities in the audience?
 
2012-10-15 06:07:21 PM

Northern Claw: I'm just glad that Cosell is no longer around. Who in hell cares about the celebrities in the audience?


There used to be a couple of DJs who had the morning show in the Bay Area. They used to call Howard Cosell and wake him up to ask him obscure trivia questions. I don't think they ever stumped him, and I remember more than once, they'd try to contradict him and he'd reply, "Gentlemen, I WAS THERE."
 
2012-10-15 06:47:56 PM

Northern Claw: I'm just glad that Cosell is no longer around. Who in hell cares about the celebrities in the audience?


You think that ended with Cosell???

"Look who just HAPPENS to be here, Keifer Sutherland, star of '24', Tuesdays at 8:00 on FOX!!!!!"
 
2012-10-15 07:00:41 PM
Joe Buck is an awesome announcer. I always look forward to Buck/Aikman. And the Gruden hater above obviously prefers soccer to football. Gruden's insight into the game must be what confuses you--it's not like he's a SB coach or anything like that. The guy has forgotten more about football than most will ever know.......but I will admit his commentary has become cheesy of late.



Buck & Aikman...heterosexual life partners.



/too suble for Fark
 
2012-10-15 07:33:17 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Tell ya what. How about us Canadians make you a trade? We'll take Buck off your hands in exchange for Rod Black. This is a man who once opined on an NBA broadcast, "Nothing but rope!".


I used to really like rod black as a sports anchor, but he's brutal as a play by play guy
 
2012-10-15 07:48:02 PM

lunchinlewis: Cyberluddite: Vin Scully--always a pleasure to listen to, despite being the announcer for the hated Dodgers. Jon Miller. The Giants' TV announcers, Mike Krukow and Duane Kuiper. The recently-departed (and deeply missed) Ernie Harwell. I've heard very little of the Mets' announcers (Ron Darling, Keith Hernandez, and I can't remember who else), but from what the little I've heard, they seem pretty good.

Ron Darling did the Nats games for a year or two, I thought he was pretty good. And I hear he has gotten better since.

I like Gary Thorne, although I rarely find myself watching an Orioles game. I probably associate his voice more with those excellent hockey playoffs he called, but I like to listen to his baseball work too. Jon Miller is also good. The O's have been lucky with some vary good broadcasters over the years (TV and radio).


I used to like Gary Thorne, but he mispronounces fifteen percent of the players names wrong every year in the NHL video game series.

It drives me nuts
 
2012-10-15 08:20:36 PM

UncleStumpy: Representative of the unwashed masses: Tell ya what. How about us Canadians make you a trade? We'll take Buck off your hands in exchange for Rod Black. This is a man who once opined on an NBA broadcast, "Nothing but rope!".

I used to really like rod black as a sports anchor, but he's brutal as a play by play guy


I cringe whenever he does a CFL game. Not sure if it's his delivery, him and Duane Ford fellating any team (CFL or CIS in Ontario) or both. I hate him.
 
2012-10-15 10:32:32 PM

Mrtraveler01: skullkrusher: I watched both games as I lay hungover on my couch all day and no one praised me. Where's the love, Fox?

But you didn't ride on a tourist bus in the shape of a Cable Car while doing that.


you got me there. I did drink about a gallon of Diet Dr Pepper though. That's gotta count for something
 
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