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(Slate)   "Intelligent Design" researchers check their math, realize they were really off on the age of the Earth. Apparently, it's over twice as old as they previously thought   (slate.com) divider line 382
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2012-10-15 08:40:10 AM
They forgot to divide by potato.
 
2012-10-15 08:59:25 AM
Call me when they start mistreating 14 year old girls. Wait...what?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-15 09:23:24 AM
Wouldn't it be funny is the Simulated Reality theory really was correct and some higher-dimensional Cheeto fingered basement dweller was actually God, and we were like his game of the Sims or something?


I'll bet some fundamentalist will latch onto this idea if they ever figure the whole thing out.
 
2012-10-15 09:35:16 AM
See? It IS just like science. They adjust their hypotheses, too.
 
2012-10-15 09:41:45 AM
I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on
 
2012-10-15 09:55:28 AM
Intelligent Design is just a theory.
 
2012-10-15 09:57:28 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist


HAHA YOU ARE DUMB
 
2012-10-15 10:07:00 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore


I'm sure you don't. One can only get beaten down so many times before they take their ball and go home.
 
2012-10-15 10:21:36 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist...


In general?

Yeah... I think people were right to laugh at you.
 
2012-10-15 10:22:18 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on


Whatever you do, don't start watching The Atheist Experience - Ray Comfort went on the show and ended up recanting many of his young earth creationist beliefs.


/ Dillahunty's application of straight-up logic is the most dangerous thing Christianity has ever faced.
 
2012-10-15 10:27:27 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on


Well, bless your heart!
 
2012-10-15 10:28:16 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on


Science is a big ol' scary thing, ain't it?

BOOGA BOOGA!
 
2012-10-15 10:32:02 AM
Oh look, it's this thread again....
 
2012-10-15 10:36:41 AM
Woot!

/Had the over on my parlay card this weekend
 
2012-10-15 10:37:09 AM
Subby fail.

Every one of the 20 or so believers in ID that I personally know is fine with the Earth being 4,000,000,000 or so years old. ID =/= Creationism.
 
2012-10-15 10:37:12 AM
cdn.whatculture.com

Whatever you do. Don't ask him about extending your life.
 
2012-10-15 10:38:15 AM

vpb: Wouldn't it be funny is the Simulated Reality theory really was correct and some higher-dimensional Cheeto fingered basement dweller was actually God, and we were like his game of the Sims or something?


I'll bet some fundamentalist will latch onto this idea if they ever figure the whole thing out.


Actually, no. It would not be funny in the least.
 
2012-10-15 10:38:34 AM
if evolution is real then why are there still bananas
 
2012-10-15 10:38:46 AM
See, that's a shame. You've stopped asking 'why'.
There are some interesting books that discuss love from an evolutionary perspective. Start with Helen Fisher and "Why We Love: The Nature and Chemistry of Romantic Love". You can find her TED talk too.
 
2012-10-15 10:42:00 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on


I'm fine with the ID part (at least one view of it), and the universe creation part.

I do question the Young-Earth part. AFAIK there is not anything in the Bible that says the Earth is so many years old.

So how do you come by that the Young-Earth concept? Seriously.
 
2012-10-15 10:43:15 AM

serial_crusher: Intelligent Design is just a theory.


Actually it isn't even a theory.
 
2012-10-15 10:44:32 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ID =/= Creationism.


This is what some morons actually believe.
 
2012-10-15 10:45:24 AM

Elzar: ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on

Whatever you do, don't start watching The Atheist Experience - Ray Comfort went on the show and ended up recanting many of his young earth creationist beliefs.


/ Dillahunty's application of straight-up logic is the most dangerous thing Christianity has ever faced.


There are some great You Tube videos on that.
 
2012-10-15 10:49:09 AM

TabASlotB: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ID =/= Creationism.

This is what some morons actually believe.


Hmmmm.... who to believe, who to believe.... my actual experiences talking with people I know or your sem-literate snark? Hmmmmm......

Someone help me on this.
 
2012-10-15 10:50:26 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: TabASlotB: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ID =/= Creationism.

This is what some morons actually believe.

Hmmmm.... who to believe, who to believe.... my actual experiences talking with people I know or your sem-literate snark? Hmmmmm......

Someone help me on this.


I don't know, he called someone a moron on the internet so he must be right. He makes such a strong argument.
 
2012-10-15 10:51:07 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on


Science is fine enough for you to allow you to post that derp on the Internet from your computer, save your life if you ever need medical care, keep your teeth from falling out by age 30, etc., etc., etc. But you dismiss science when it comes our planet's history.

I can't think of anything sadder than someone who willfully chooses to believe something, despite all of the evidence. It's one thing to be deluded; it's a whole other thing when a person chooses the supposed comfort of that delusion over reality.
 
2012-10-15 10:54:33 AM

Diogenes: See? It IS just like science. They adjust their hypotheses, too.


One usually starts with verifiable facts first... Hint its not the creationists.
 
2012-10-15 10:55:17 AM

IntertubeUser: I can't think of anything sadder than someone who willfully chooses to believe something, despite all of the evidence. It's one thing to be deluded; it's a whole other thing when a person chooses the supposed comfort of that delusion over reality.


Hmm, all that evidence, have you provided any, or just assumptions based on the wrong premise?
/Genesis doesn't provide a starting date, so keep your inaccurate countdowns.
 
2012-10-15 10:57:46 AM
"check their math"

Should be synonymous with "made up different numbers".
 
2012-10-15 10:58:26 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on


The article gives examples on how various theologians arrived at the various Young Earth dates. However, it appears to me that the various time frames are based on historical reference to events in the Bible compared to other historical records.

But - other than the "7 Days" reference for Creation - it says nothing about the period of time before the Adam and Eve period.

Ignorant, arithmatically-challenged sheep herders (and most everybody else for that matter) in ancient days might have a problem understanding the concept of "billions of years". Is it possible that the writer of Genesis used "days" for that reason? Or perhaps a "day" for God is considerably longer than it is for us.
 
2012-10-15 10:59:34 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: TabASlotB: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ID =/= Creationism.

This is what some morons actually believe.

Hmmmm.... who to believe, who to believe.... my actual experiences talking with people I know or your sem-literate snark? Hmmmmm......

Someone help me on this.


Yes, there are shades of difference, used by ID folks to paint their theory as pseudo-science and to distance themselves from the "God created everything in 6 days" folks, but given that they're both manufactured on flawed premises, both argued by theists, and both argued against a mountain of evidence demonstrating otherwise, it doesn't matter how the fantasy of "Intelligent Design" differs from the fantasy of "Creationism."

They're both brands of silliness meant to foster a belief system. ID is a compromise, in the same way that "moderate Republicanism" is a compromise - it's meant to lure fence-straddlers into the belief system that backs ID, by being "less insane" than fundamentalist creationism. Different designer drugs with similar formulas and the same friggin' chemist.

Fark that.
 
2012-10-15 10:59:59 AM

ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on


And it's Masochist Monday in the ArkAngel household!
 
2012-10-15 11:00:16 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: TabASlotB: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ID =/= Creationism.

This is what some morons actually believe.

Hmmmm.... who to believe, who to believe.... my actual experiences talking with people I know or your sem-literate snark? Hmmmmm......

Someone help me on this.

I don't know, he called someone a moron on the internet so he must be right. He makes such a strong argument.


Yeah, it's really hard to decide.... He is obviously a Mensa member.
 
2012-10-15 11:01:00 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on

The article gives examples on how various theologians arrived at the various Young Earth dates. However, it appears to me that the various time frames are based on historical reference to events in the Bible compared to other historical records.

But - other than the "7 Days" reference for Creation - it says nothing about the period of time before the Adam and Eve period.

Ignorant, arithmatically-challenged sheep herders (and most everybody else for that matter) in ancient days might have a problem understanding the concept of "billions of years". Is it possible that the writer of Genesis used "days" for that reason? Or perhaps a "day" for God is considerably longer than it is for us.


It's a myth used to explaign something they had no clue about. Myths don't have to have any basis in reality.
 
2012-10-15 11:03:35 AM
I love when creationists try to put 'science' into their beliefs. It's like watching a monkey at a typewriter.

Nobody quite knows why the monkey is at the typewriter to begin with.
Nobody can read a thing he types.
If you try to take the typewriter from him he'll fling feces at you.
 
2012-10-15 11:04:12 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on

The article gives examples on how various theologians arrived at the various Young Earth dates. However, it appears to me that the various time frames are based on historical reference to events in the Bible compared to other historical records.

But - other than the "7 Days" reference for Creation - it says nothing about the period of time before the Adam and Eve period.

Ignorant, arithmatically-challenged sheep herders (and most everybody else for that matter) in ancient days might have a problem understanding the concept of "billions of years". Is it possible that the writer of Genesis used "days" for that reason? Or perhaps a "day" for God is considerably longer than it is for us.


Ah, but that opens a painful Pandora's Box - see, many of these young-earth chuckleheads believe the Bible to be the literal word of God. If it says "six days", well, it was six Earth rotations. If you claim allegory, then you start opening the door to claims of allegory in other areas, such as their hate for homosexuality, or seafood, or polygamy, and so on - heck, maybe the whole friggin' book isn't meant to be taken literally, but just contains stories designed to instill a moral & ethical compass in a bunch of sheep-farking, murdering tribalists, and shouldn't have the richest business on the planet based on its interpretation. And, if you do that, well, you could conceivably do that with every other belief system - heck, they may start testing belief systems to see if they hold up, and discarding the ones for which evidence to the contrary exists...

Nah, can't have that.
 
2012-10-15 11:04:23 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
So how do you come by that the Young-Earth concept? Seriously.


You know how I know you didn't read the article? It goes into detail about have the various theologans have rendered the date of creation. If the bible is taken as literal fact, it turns out that 4,004BC is a pretty accurate guess.
 
2012-10-15 11:04:52 AM

hinten: Call me when they start mistreating 14 year old girls. Wait...what?


In Afghanistan they like shooting them.

In the U.S. they fark their education. And if they happen to have sex, then they say really fark them.
 
2012-10-15 11:05:06 AM

born_yesterday: ArkAngel: I believe in intelligent design, and in general I am a Young-Earth Creationist, but I don't really care, nor do I argue about it anymore. Because it doesn't matter. However God made the universe come into being, his message is love towards each other. And that's what I focus on

And it's Masochist Monday in the ArkAngel household!


Fark martyrdom. "He died on this thread for your sins."
 
2012-10-15 11:05:57 AM

JamesSirBensonMum: Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
So how do you come by that the Young-Earth concept? Seriously.

You know how I know you didn't read the article? It goes into detail about have the various theologans have rendered the date of creation. If the bible is taken as literal fact, it turns out that 4,004BC is a pretty accurate guess.


And since we have clear evidence that the earth is older than 4,004 BC, I guess we can't take the Bible as literal fact, then, right?
 
2012-10-15 11:08:02 AM

FormlessOne: see, many of these young-earth chuckleheads believe the Bible to be the literal word of God. If it says "six days", well, it was six Earth rotations


So if they're literally regular days, God can't even work a 6 day work week without being wiped?
 
2012-10-15 11:11:01 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: TabASlotB: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ID =/= Creationism.

This is what some morons actually believe.

Hmmmm.... who to believe, who to believe.... my actual experiences talking with people I know or your sem-literate snark? Hmmmmm......

Someone help me on this.


I'll help. Above you used "Creationism" as a term that excludes belief that the Earth might be >4 million years old. There are, however, multiple forms of Creationism. TFA was talking specifically about Young-Earth Creationism. Your friends--if they exist--would probably be characterized as Old-Earth Creationists if they are willing to accept that the Earth is ancient but insist on a supernatural (or effectively supernatural) influence to account for abiogenesis and/or the development of Homo sapiens.

Add some cargo cult science lingo to standard Old-Earth Creationism tenets and you have a product that is surprisingly similar to ID. At its heart--and in the words of some of its biggest proponents--ID is a gussied up version of Old-Earth Creationism that just play coy about who the supposed designer is supposed to be. This is a specifically recognized strategy to try to undermine real science and bypass Establishment Clause restrictions.

Hope that helps!
 
2012-10-15 11:11:07 AM
"It's not clear how Rep. Broun settled on 9,000 years, but Ussher's creation date of 4004 B.C. is by far the most cited.

img2.timeinc.net

...wat?
 
2012-10-15 11:11:10 AM
Ussher was wrong by several orders of magnitude, but I have to give him credit for at least trying to answer an important question with the data that were available to him at the time. Today, we have much better information, so we have a much more accurate answer, but it's anachronistic to judge Ussher on the basis of modern knowledge.

Anyone who still holds to Ussher's chronology is woefully misinformed, however.
 
2012-10-15 11:11:16 AM

Skraeling: "check their math"

Should be synonymous with "made up different numbers".


It's not my job to provide already-provided evidence to those deluded by religious superstition.
 
2012-10-15 11:12:18 AM

FormlessOne:
And since we have clear evidence that the earth is older than 4,004 BC, I guess we can't take the Bible as literal fact, then, right?


It's the nail in the coffin for biblical literalism.
The reliance on literalism stems from the fact that Jesus quotes the 6-day creation by his Dad. So if the myth was created to help ignorant sheep herders understand their God, then at least Jesus should have know better. But he didn't... ergo, the bible is literal and not a myth.
Honest Christians should know this, and take a hard stance for literalism. Denying this means Jesus was wrong, and that throws their whole mythology in a spin.
 
2012-10-15 11:12:45 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: TabASlotB: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ID =/= Creationism.

This is what some morons actually believe.

Hmmmm.... who to believe, who to believe.... my actual experiences talking with people I know or your sem-literate snark? Hmmmmm......

Someone help me on this.

I don't know, he called someone a moron on the internet so he must be right. He makes such a strong argument.

Yeah, it's really hard to decide.... He is obviously a Mensa member.


Mensa? Those idiots pay membership fees to feel smart. It's like TotalFark...
 
2012-10-15 11:16:40 AM

Mugato: FormlessOne: see, many of these young-earth chuckleheads believe the Bible to be the literal word of God. If it says "six days", well, it was six Earth rotations

So if they're literally regular days, God can't even work a 6 day work week without being wiped?


It's worse than that. The phenomena of "day" and "night" are only visible to an individual that is restricted to a specific location. When it's day in one place, it's night somewhere else, and vice versa, so only a being who was stuck in one place would perceive days and nights like we do. If God perceived day and night, that indicates that God is not omnipresent.

It's impossible to simultaneously believe in an omnipresent God and a literal interpretation of Gen. 1. The two beliefs are mutually exclusive.
 
2012-10-15 11:18:23 AM
I don't believe in 4/5 of the people on the internet who say they are young Earth creationists. Mostly internet trolls or paranoid schizophrenics.
 
2012-10-15 11:22:02 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Subby fail.

Every one of the 20 or so believers in ID that I personally know is fine with the Earth being 4,000,000,000 or so years old. ID =/= Creationism.


ID ≠ Creation, but ID ⊂ Creationism.

(ID is a subset of creationism if you don't know math.)

Also creationism is not defined by believing the world is only thousands of years old though there people are 99.99% creationists.

And lets not forget where "intelligent design" came from. It started in a book called Of Pandas and People. It started as a creationist textbook for schools. When the Supreme Court said no creationism in public school, they did tried to use the find-and-replace feature of a word processor to replace "creation", etc. with "intelligent design", etc. The operation resulted in "cdesign proponentsists" being put in some places. This was corrected before the book was published but it was in drafts of the textbook turned over to the plaintiffs in the Dover case during Discovery. This was the book that introduced ID into the debate. And it has nothing to do with creationism?
 
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