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(Slate)   How much drinking is *too* much drinking? If you go by the CDC's standards, chances are you have a future filled with sitting in church basements with strangers while drinking bad coffee   (slate.com ) divider line
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2012-10-15 08:09:17 AM  
Yeah, but you're supposed to take the number you hear and multiply it by 3, right? So, you tell your doctor you drink one drink a night. He writes 3 on the chart. His secretary writes 9 when she enters it into the computer.

So really when the CDC tells you not to drink 1 drink a night, they're actually telling you not to drink 27 drinks a night.
Sorry Drew.
 
2012-10-15 08:24:28 AM  
I'm Irish, it's presumed.
 
2012-10-15 08:27:44 AM  
Having no idea what people drink normally, I told my doctor the truth: a few cases of beer a week, and a liter to half gallon of rum a night, a few times a week. He blanched and desperately urged me to quit drinking or I'd have a stroke or heart attack by 35.
 
2012-10-15 08:38:43 AM  
I'm living on borrowed time
 
2012-10-15 09:04:36 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: He blanched and desperately urged me to quit drinking or I'd have a stroke or heart attack by 35.


Well, if you have to die of an alcohol related illness, there are definitely worse ways to go like cirrhosis or cancer. So you have that going for you, which is nice.
 
2012-10-15 09:24:14 AM  
Still, it's safer than pot.
 
2012-10-15 09:26:03 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Still, it's safer than pot.


You'll get some bites from the Fark Stoner Brigade. They should be up by noon.
 
2012-10-15 09:28:10 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Still, it's safer than pot.


That's right. And, drinkers aren't societal outcasts, either.
 
2012-10-15 09:28:31 AM  
Still, it's safer than refined sugar.
 
2012-10-15 09:35:03 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Having no idea what people drink normally, I told my doctor the truth: a few cases of beer a week, and a liter to half gallon of rum a night, a few times a week. He blanched and desperately urged me to quit drinking or I'd have a stroke or heart attack by 35.


Dude. That's rather impressive. I'm a drinker, and I couldn't function with that level of daily ethanol intake.

And mixing beer and rum is an instant headache for me, so my mind is even more blown.
 
2012-10-15 09:40:37 AM  
I had a doctor give me a hard time for drinking once when I was in college. Honestly, I would have a couple of drinks at a party, maybe, and I'd only been properly drunk once. Ever. And never drunk enough to be sick or hungover. (Someone had to be the responsible person, in case my then-boyfriend and his buddies decided to practice karate drunk (again) and someone got hurt (thankfully rare)). And she decided I needed to be told the dangers of alcohol and binge drinking, because I was classified as a "binge drinker". It was very hard not to facepalm, and I might have given the doctor some funny looks. I really think that is the problem with the guidelines as they are. There's no way I can take them seriously if someone who has three (girly) drinks on a weekend twice a month at most is a binge drinker and is told that they are in danger of health problems and alcoholism.

Later, I made myself perma-designated driver, when my depression got worse and then I went on antidepressants. Thankfully, I have a very naturally drunk nature which returned as I got better. I actually kinda miss DD-ing for my ex and his buddies... I have used about 20 times more alcohol in cooking over the last two years than I have drank (my dad and I make an awesome vodka sauce).
 
2012-10-15 09:41:29 AM  
By the time I was through carefully replacing the volume of what I stole with water, the contents would have frozen instantly had the bottles even been placed in the same room as the refrigerator.

Has anybody ever been in a small room with a refrigerator? It gets stifling hot.
 
2012-10-15 09:43:28 AM  

Gonz: And mixing beer and rum is an instant headache for me, so my mind is even more blown.


Yeah I got a hangover just reading that. Anything with sugar like rum gives me a headache but mixing the shiat is bad news.

/sticks to vodak
 
2012-10-15 09:46:32 AM  
The definition of alcoholic I learned in medical school: Someone who drinks more than me
 
2012-10-15 09:57:30 AM  

Gonz: HST's Dead Carcass: Having no idea what people drink normally, I told my doctor the truth: a few cases of beer a week, and a liter to half gallon of rum a night, a few times a week. He blanched and desperately urged me to quit drinking or I'd have a stroke or heart attack by 35.

Dude. That's rather impressive. I'm a drinker, and I couldn't function with that level of daily ethanol intake.

And mixing beer and rum is an instant headache for me, so my mind is even more blown.


There's a reason I drink bad coffee in church basements with strangers ;)
 
2012-10-15 10:21:12 AM  
*rtfa*

Christ. I could hold an AA meeting all by myself! :P
 
2012-10-15 10:21:47 AM  
...

That implies that I'm both crazy AND drunk, of course...
 
2012-10-15 10:27:33 AM  
My alcoholism has been a problem only once, and it was when I woke up naked in a strange bed with a fat ugly woman.

Know when to say when.
 
2012-10-15 10:32:14 AM  

jaylectricity: By the time I was through carefully replacing the volume of what I stole with water, the contents would have frozen instantly had the bottles even been placed in the same room as the refrigerator.

Has anybody ever been in a small room with a refrigerator? It gets stifling hot.


I used to just take the whole bottle, replacing with water seemed stupid to me. Parents aren't drinking it so you're only diluting your own liquor, stupid. Then again my parents had like 12 cases of various liquors in the basement that was long forgotten by the time I was a teen.
 
2012-10-15 10:53:41 AM  
If you can't get through the day without having a drink, you have a drinking problem.
 
2012-10-15 10:57:46 AM  

Coco LaFemme: If you can't get through the day without having a drink, you have a drinking problem.


I usually wait til the sun goes down.
 
2012-10-15 10:58:21 AM  
Also you can get through two days without a drink and still have a serious drinking problem.
 
2012-10-15 11:23:33 AM  
If you have to ask if you have a drinking problem, then you probably have a drinking problem.
 
2012-10-15 11:38:37 AM  

Luthien's Tempest: Later, I made myself perma-designated driver


A friend of mine's gf is ethnically Chinese and one of those folks who is allergic to alcohol. She was our perma-DD in college. Was great.
 
2012-10-15 11:39:49 AM  

Aarontology: If you have to ask if you have a drinking problem, then you probably have a drinking problem.


What if I simply want to ask?
 
2012-10-15 11:51:27 AM  
"Many heavy drinkers do not have alcohol dependence. For example, even in people who have 5 or more drinks a day (the equivalent of a bottle of wine) the rate of developing dependence is less than 7 percent per year," the study's summary reads.
 
2012-10-15 11:53:13 AM  
Christ, I have three drinks a night (beer, mostly), and I thought, ZOMG, I have to cut back. I read some of this thread and feel kind of silly about that now.

(Then again, I'm 41, and probably older than the "whoooo, look how much I drinks!" crowd, but...)
 
2012-10-15 11:54:10 AM  
Then you've got the British system of units. They say a male can consume 28 units a weeks and a woman 21. Now consider a pint contains 3 units, and you'll see someone immediately ask whether it's a pint of bog standard lager, or Satan's Piss Evil Strength Beer.
 
2012-10-15 11:54:34 AM  
I love the guidelines, they're hilarious. I was in NY for the weekend- shared a bottle of wine with a friend over dinner (6pm), saw a show, then went to a bar and had one drink afterwards (11pm)

OMG BINGE DRINKING!

They completely negate the people we all KNOW have alcohol problems, and ARE binge drinkers.
 
2012-10-15 11:54:42 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Having no idea what people drink normally, I told my doctor the truth: a few cases of beer a week, and a liter to half gallon of rum a night, a few times a week. He blanched and desperately urged me to quit drinking or I'd have a stroke or heart attack by 35.


God's mercy on you.
 
2012-10-15 11:54:48 AM  

Aarontology: If you have to ask if you have a drinking problem, then you probably have a drinking problem.


This.

Also applies to: "am I have too much sex with lingerie models?!?"

Take it from me.


//*events may have occured during hallucinations while being blacked out drunk, nightly*
 
2012-10-15 11:55:03 AM  
I go through a 6-pack per week; sometimes less, sometimes more, sometimes no alcohol at all. I think I'm good to go.
 
2012-10-15 11:55:16 AM  
I average 2 beers a day, never going over 4. Only exception is Oktoberfest or any other drinking holiday.


I stick to beer. Good craft beer.
 
2012-10-15 11:55:46 AM  
If you simply want to ask if you should ask if you have a drinking problem, you have problems making decisions. Some drinking might embolden you.
 
2012-10-15 11:55:55 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: ethnically Chinese and one of those folks who is allergic to alcohol. She was our perma-DD in college.


You'd have to be drunk to get in a car driven by a Chinese girl.
 
2012-10-15 11:57:35 AM  
I recently cut out alcohol without a problem due to going on a diet and had no problems. While I didn't think I had a problem, it's always good to get that confirmation.
 
2012-10-15 11:58:16 AM  
Fark you subby. The coffee is awesome when I make it.
 
2012-10-15 12:01:48 PM  
My last doctor asked about my drinking. I said a pint or two a day. He was shocked! Then I realized he was GenX and told him, "A pint or two of BEER, not hard liquor." He was fine with that.
 
2012-10-15 12:02:25 PM  
I have severe social phobia. I drink before being going to social functions because it's the only way I can get out of the house.
 
2012-10-15 12:03:47 PM  
Lot's of people assume they don't have a problem because they can quit for a few days or weeks. Alcoholics sometimes quit for years - but they're still alcoholics. The key is, can you quit after just a few.

/An alcoholic drinks to get drunk. Period.
 
2012-10-15 12:04:17 PM  
My buddy who is a recovering alcoholic was living on at least a liter of vodka a day. On his 'benders' he could take down a 1.75 of it. If I or you get to that point, yeah, you might have a problem. I can take down half a liter, and I'm pretty much blasted.
 
2012-10-15 12:04:28 PM  
I go through a couple fifths of vodak a week and maybe 3 six packs of beer. If I don't drink anything, I get super bad anxiety and can't sleep.

I should probably slow down.
 
2012-10-15 12:05:42 PM  

Private_Citizen: Lot's of people assume they don't have a problem because they can quit for a few days or weeks. Alcoholics sometimes quit for years - but they're still alcoholics. The key is, can you quit after just a few.


Actually, I think that's put really well.
 
2012-10-15 12:06:29 PM  
So really, you just want the CDC to use a word that basically means "drinking enough to impair my health but not binge drinking like a frat boy."
 
2012-10-15 12:06:51 PM  

mysticcat: The definition of alcoholic I learned in medical school: Someone who drinks more than me


the most insightful thing my father ever said to me: 'an alcoholic is someone who always knows where their next drink is coming from'. i think that's pretty brilliant.

also, i totally didn't drink all 30 of those high lifes i bought yesterday. i shared a lot of them with this cute chick in the apartment complex and her 13 year old daughter. so there. good times, good times.

/ my next drink is coming from the county to the south, as soon as i'm ready to drive again.
// benzo withdrawal is a biatch.
 
2012-10-15 12:07:01 PM  
Choice 1: Keep drinking, have good coffee.
Choice 2: Quit drinking, have bad coffee.

Decision:
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2012-10-15 12:08:59 PM  

Private_Citizen: Lot's of people assume they don't have a problem because they can quit for a few days or weeks. Alcoholics sometimes quit for years - but they're still alcoholics. The key is, can you quit after just a few.

/An alcoholic drinks to get drunk. Period.


Truer words were ne'er before spoken. Bravo.
 
2012-10-15 12:09:27 PM  
I'll drink to that!
 
2012-10-15 12:12:09 PM  

Skwrl: Christ, I have three drinks a night (beer, mostly), and I thought, ZOMG, I have to cut back. I read some of this thread and feel kind of silly about that now.

(Then again, I'm 41, and probably older than the "whoooo, look how much I drinks!" crowd, but...)


I think if you are able to stop you shouldn't be worried. "HST's Dead Carcass" and "Magnanimous_J" on the other hand...

/I tend to drink too much on occasion, wouldn't drink at all if mj were decriminalized.
 
2012-10-15 12:12:15 PM  
Don't the AA folks have a test that's more behavior based than quantity based? Things like "Does your drinking ever cause problems with your job or family?" and "Do you ever sneak a drink?" Those kinds of things seem like better indicators to me (and you can replace drinking with anything else for an addiction quiz and it still works.

I almost never drink during the week. Pretty often toss back a good amount of tequila with the wife on a weekend night.
 
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