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(NPR)   How do you fight mutant teenage acne? Infect the skin with a virus that eats acne bacteria. And if that doesn't work kill it with lasers   (npr.org) divider line 88
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2012-10-15 08:24:33 AM
As antibiotics grow less and less effective, bacteriophages will become more and more the norm for treatment of bacterial infections.
 
2012-10-15 08:40:01 AM
I saw this movie. Science obviously didn't.
 
2012-10-15 08:48:00 AM
Teenage mutant ninja acne?
 
2012-10-15 09:55:28 AM
i read this in new scientist and thought it was cool. yet i can't post their stuff because they require monies to read it.
lame.
 
2012-10-15 10:31:04 AM
"A stronger form, called Accutane, is used for severe acne. It's a highly effective pill, but it can cause serious side effects, including depression and birth defects. So the government regulates its use."

Christ Almighty, I'm sick of hearing this statement. Accutane doesn't cause depression. The NEED for Accutane is what causes depression. Accutane saved my life. No lie.
 
2012-10-15 10:57:15 AM

CastorTroy: "A stronger form, called Accutane, is used for severe acne. It's a highly effective pill, but it can cause serious side effects, including depression and birth defects. So the government regulates its use."

Christ Almighty, I'm sick of hearing this statement. Accutane doesn't cause depression. The NEED for Accutane is what causes depression. Accutane saved my life. No lie.


Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't, but my experience with Accutane is that it only helped. The worse I had was badly chapped lips and a dry nose for several months, but the acne went away and has never returned. This was about 13 years ago now.
 
2012-10-15 11:31:19 AM
...the gorillas eat the snakes and the beauty is that, come winter, the Gorillas just freeze to death
 
2012-10-15 11:51:46 AM
Poke at it with a splinter?
 
2012-10-15 11:52:37 AM
I never had terrible acne, but even up until my mid-twenties I was getting zits regularly. I believe it had a lot to do with drinking milk on a daily basis. I stopped drinking milk and noticed they were less frequent. What really stopped it altogether was getting a consistent girlfriend who knew more about taking care of your skin than I did.

I would normally just shower and dry off and that was the end of it. Never really realized that my face was very dry, so my skin would secrete more oil to compensate for being super dry. This increased oil would lead to clogged pores/zits.

So I would use some face lotion and moisturize after showering (on top of not really drinking milk any more) and I never have any issues with zits.

I think the biggest problem for teenagers and really anyone who suffers from zits, is all the contradictory information out there regarding it.
 
2012-10-15 11:53:42 AM
Then maybe the bullies won't pick on u anymore.

oh they're picking on u cause your too skinny
well in that case eat more protein!!
 
2012-10-15 11:55:49 AM

NowhereMon: ...the gorillas eat the snakes and the beauty is that, come winter, the Gorillas just freeze to death


Gramps, there's this new-fangled thing called "global warming ..."
 
2012-10-15 11:57:49 AM
tetracycline was awesome when I was a kid, but then it bred mutated bugs and negated birth control for girls taking it. Just what you want as a parent - clear skinned young girls whose birth control doesn't work and who may have killer mutant bugs.
 
2012-10-15 11:58:38 AM

SurfaceTension: As antibiotics grow less and less effective, bacteriophages will become more and more the norm for treatment of bacterial infections.

And FTFA - "The virus is going to go and kill the bacteria that causes acne. It's just going to break it apart and burst its membrane so there's no time for the bacteria to mutate," she says. It's sort of a surprise attack.


It's not a surprise attack and it will have the same problems you have with antibiotics. Bacteria have viral defense mechanisms. See for instance CRISPR and Restriction Enzymes. Presumably the way the virus is going to "break apart and burst" the bacteria membrane is through its replication cycle. So this "no time" because it's a "surprise attack" thing is B.S.

Link

Link

Cool idea, definitely should be pursued but it's not as magical as it's being portrayed.
 
2012-10-15 12:01:03 PM
Atomic Vacutex?
 
2012-10-15 12:02:25 PM
This is why you should never waste your money on a dermatologist (aka the chiropractors of the medicine world). Severe acne can be due to an overgrowth of bacteria, but it is not the cause. We all have the same bacteria all in our skin. Teen acne is caused by hormones - mostly testosterone. This causes the sebaceous glands to produce more oil, which when combined with dying cells in the skin pores, can cause blockage of the pores. These are called pimples. Bacteria feeds on the material and cause irritation. Now add white blood cells to the mix to eat the bacteria. One would think that washing the face more frequently could prevent this, but that will only make matters worse, since this dries out the skin and causes further irritation.
 
2012-10-15 12:02:32 PM
My advice on fighting Teenage Mutant Acne:

1. Stay out of the farking sewers, stupid!
2. Cut back on the pizza.
3. Don't play with rats.
4. Cut back on the stressful "Ninja" lifestyle.
5. Get some sunlight.
6. Avoid products endorsed by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, including bubble bath.
7. Don't touch Turtles.
8. You'll outgrow it. Hang in there.
9. Change the water in your bowl frequently. Your cement pond should have running water, no hillbillies.
10. Use a good household disinfectant to fight the risk of salmonella.
 
2012-10-15 12:11:12 PM
Can't they just kill the teenagers?
 
2012-10-15 12:12:11 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Teenage mutant ninja acne?


you were singing while you posted this

/shell shock
 
2012-10-15 12:12:27 PM
Why don't we just harvest the oil from teenagers' faces to solve the oil crisis?
 
2012-10-15 12:19:51 PM
Could be a mite problem as well you know
 
2012-10-15 12:20:57 PM

CastorTroy: "A stronger form, called Accutane, is used for severe acne. It's a highly effective pill, but it can cause serious side effects, including depression and birth defects. So the government regulates its use."

Christ Almighty, I'm sick of hearing this statement. Accutane doesn't cause depression. The NEED for Accutane is what causes depression. Accutane saved my life. No lie.


Yeah, it does cause birth defects, however.
 
2012-10-15 12:22:04 PM

enricofermi: Why don't we just harvest the oil from teenagers' faces to solve the oil crisis?


Ah. A Kentucky Fried Movie reference?
 
2012-10-15 12:22:42 PM

SurfaceTension: As antibiotics grow less and less effective, bacteriophages will become more and more the norm for treatment of bacterial infections.


Actually, Bacteriophages are one of the main sources of drug resistance:

Antibiotic Resistance Genes in the Bacteriophage DNA Fraction of Environmental Samples
 
2012-10-15 12:25:36 PM

Fursecution: enricofermi: Why don't we just harvest the oil from teenagers' faces to solve the oil crisis?

Ah. A Kentucky Fried Movie reference?


Unfortunately

Here at our multi-billion dollar refinery in Fairbanks, we're extracting 2.5 billion barrels of crude oil each day from teenagers' faces
 
2012-10-15 12:26:47 PM

iaazathot: Yeah, it does cause birth defects, however.


No argument. That's why it has such strict regulation. It's the depression tie-in I have a problem with. Correlation / causation and what-not.
 
2012-10-15 12:27:53 PM
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-15 12:31:19 PM
Ninja kick the damn acne!
 
2012-10-15 12:44:29 PM
how about injecting a nice virus?

www.liveforfilms.com
 
2012-10-15 12:48:40 PM
"You'll outgrow it!" Like hell. I'm in my mid-thirties and the only reason my face doesn't look worse is because I grew a beard to cover it up.
 
2012-10-15 12:55:02 PM

CastorTroy: "A stronger form, called Accutane, is used for severe acne. It's a highly effective pill, but it can cause serious side effects, including depression and birth defects. So the government regulates its use."

Christ Almighty, I'm sick of hearing this statement. Accutane doesn't cause depression. The NEED for Accutane is what causes depression. Accutane saved my life. No lie.


I can completely understand your statement, however, I completely disagree with your opinion on Accutane. My ex-fiance apparently had bad acne in high school (or so she said).

Honestly, I couldn't tell, my friends couldn't tell, her friends couldn't tell, and her parents couldn't tell that it was a problem anymore (several years later). She however saw one zit and insisted that her idiot dermatologist put her on Accutane.

Well, to put it shortly, it *did* have an effect on her resulting in depression. She started having suicidal thoughts, lost interest in her favorite activities, became bitter and angry, and quit going to school (she was in a top tier university at the time).

This is a girl who spoke five languages *fluently*, played the violin professionally, and was a pre-med student. I personally saw the change in her and tried to point it out to her that the drug might be having an effect, but she was too "happy" with the results... Again, effects that no one including her fiancee could see. -She had no acne when she started taking that crap.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad it worked for you, but I *personally* have seen the side effects of depression in someone I loved. This drug should be regulated, and anyone on it should have to see a psychologist as a preventative measure to make sure this drug doesn't ruin their life.
 
2012-10-15 12:59:06 PM
So people are taking antibiotics for a bunch of zits? Enjoy your flesh eating bacteria.
 
2012-10-15 12:59:33 PM
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2012-10-15 01:02:16 PM
This just in: Scientists are sure they will stumble upon a Zombie-creating virus soon.
 
2012-10-15 01:03:21 PM

Nightsweat: tetracycline was awesome when I was a kid, but then it bred mutated bugs and negated birth control for girls taking it. Just what you want as a parent - clear skinned young girls whose birth control doesn't work and who may have killer mutant bugs.


I was on that for years and did nothing and when I told my parents and doctors the side effects they told me I tough it out. Gave me symptoms of a yeast infection constantly and puked green in the AM.

TMFI but young people need to say something.

Still have acne at 30.
 
2012-10-15 01:06:54 PM

Arkanaut: Poke at it with a splinter?


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2012-10-15 01:08:03 PM

brantgoose: My advice on fighting Teenage Mutant Acne:

1. Stay out of the farking sewers, stupid!
2. Cut back on the pizza.
3. Don't play with rats.
4. Cut back on the stressful "Ninja" lifestyle.
5. Get some sunlight.
6. Avoid products endorsed by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, including bubble bath.
7. Don't touch Turtles.
8. You'll outgrow it. Hang in there.
9. Change the water in your bowl frequently. Your cement pond should have running water, no hillbillies.
10. Use a good household disinfectant to fight the risk of salmonella.


I lol'd. +1 for you. Wish I had the money to give you a TF month!
 
2012-10-15 01:09:09 PM
Accutane helped with my acne but made my teeth 2 - 3 pack a day smoker yellow :( Took years to get them back to a reasonable shade of white.

If you want a non-pill acne solution get

www.groubine.com

Bamboo charcoal soap. Awesome awesome stuff.
 
2012-10-15 01:21:42 PM
Ditto to the Accutane thing. I was put on it after showing one zit as well! Not only did it cause me to have horrible dry lips that broke open and bled when I sneezed, but little things like my keys not fitting in the lock on the first try would send suicidal thoughts racing through my head. It took almost a decade for trivial conflicts not to arouse thoughts of killing myself (while large ones were completely fine), and I spent way, way too much time being angry, hostile and disinterested in everything. Other people I went to school with who also took it shared similar experiences, though some of them are still stuck with depression and stuff.

I am not depressed all the time anymore, but I am easily depressed and dwell on things. I always thought it was just being a teenager, but looking back and seeing how uncommon that really was, and then reading about the class-action lawsuits against Accutane...

fark accutane.
 
2012-10-15 01:21:50 PM

Gabrielmot: Don't get me wrong, I'm glad it worked for you, but I *personally* have seen the side effects of depression in someone I loved. This drug should be regulated, and anyone on it should have to see a psychologist as a preventative measure to make sure this drug doesn't ruin their life.


And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying depression isn't part of the issue. What I'm saying is acne, especially cystic acne, is DEVASTATING. I can completely empathize because, 25 years later, if I even feel what seems like the beginning of a zit I freak out.
 
2012-10-15 01:22:01 PM
I had horrible acne as a kid. Polyps, mutant zits that would be right under the surface of my skin. Huge pustules on the bridge of my nose, my chin, and in my ears. IN MY EARS, for crying out loud! The last straw was after I woke up one morning and couldn't open my left eye. An acne pustule developed under my skin that stretched from my nose all the way across the top of my cheekbone, right near the corner of my eye. It looked like I'd been punched in the eye, minus the bruising. Finally, after lotions, gels, solutions, etc., I was given Accutane. And I'll echo what has already been said: it saved me. The awful, horrible, devil's seed acne disappeared. I dealt with dry skin, chapped lips, and nosebleeds. At least my face returned to normal. Or as normal as it's going to get. I have scars from my teenage acne...I mean it was so bad that they would pop after simply drying my face from a shower. And on occasion I deal with some zits here and there...mainly from bad habits or forgetting to use cleanser (because soap and water just doesn't cut it for some). However, I'm miles better looking than what could've been.

Was never going to be a cover model anyway, but at least people don't go running in the opposite direction when I come walking.
 
2012-10-15 01:22:46 PM
I enjoyed reading the theories about dairy consumption (forwarded by a militant vegan, no doubt), bacteria (put forth by laser manufacturers) and so on. I'm a middle child and the only one who had acne. I also have had hormone imbalances that are documented in my lab tests. Every so often I'd get a surge of testosterone (I was one cranky teenaged girl) and the damned things would come out in force.

I, like some posters above, finally kissed the zits goodbye with Accutane. I had to take it for an entire year, which was way outside of protocols. But, the blood tests showed that my strong Irish liver was capable of handling it.
 
2012-10-15 01:25:02 PM
If we're talking natural solutions, I find this to be a godsend:

pics1.ds-static.com 

Drugstore link
 
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2012-10-15 01:31:50 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Teenage mutant ninja acne?

Heroes in a clogged pore.
Pimple Power
 
2012-10-15 01:34:59 PM
Seriously...almost 50 posts in and nobodies talking about moisturizing after you shower or wash your face? Having dry skin will make your body produce more oils, which clog pores and cause break outs.

All these harsh soaps and chemicals dry out your skin, so it's no wonder that a lot of them don't work.

Also, the dairy products isn't just a myth, I noticed a direct correlation on weeks I drank milk, to weeks I didn't.
 
2012-10-15 01:41:02 PM

lennavan: SurfaceTension: As antibiotics grow less and less effective, bacteriophages will become more and more the norm for treatment of bacterial infections.

And FTFA - "The virus is going to go and kill the bacteria that causes acne. It's just going to break it apart and burst its membrane so there's no time for the bacteria to mutate," she says. It's sort of a surprise attack.

It's not a surprise attack and it will have the same problems you have with antibiotics. Bacteria have viral defense mechanisms. See for instance CRISPR and Restriction Enzymes. Presumably the way the virus is going to "break apart and burst" the bacteria membrane is through its replication cycle. So this "no time" because it's a "surprise attack" thing is B.S.

Link

Link

Cool idea, definitely should be pursued but it's not as magical as it's being portrayed.


Except that when a bacteria mutates, the bacteriophage will mutate within a few years (if not sooner) to bust through the new mutation. Viruses mutate faster than bacteria, in general. They're notorious for it. Given a little time, the phages grown will be able to bust up the bacteria again.

The reason? This particular bacteria is the only thing the phage 'eats'. It *will* mutate with its 'food', if only to continue to survive.
 
2012-10-15 01:54:30 PM
The T4 Bacteriophage kills e coli. I made an animation about how it replicates at my last job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofd_lgEymto
 
2012-10-15 01:54:49 PM
Do not watch this video!

It is not safe for your stomach.
 
2012-10-15 02:04:34 PM
kill the teenagers with lasers? A little extreme, don't you think? I know they can be so annoying and stupid and irritable at some all the time, but jeez. Kill them with lasers? Do we have to put them on the heads of sharks, too?

/the lasers, not the teenagers
 
2012-10-15 02:07:01 PM

PhoenixInFlames: lennavan: SurfaceTension: As antibiotics grow less and less effective, bacteriophages will become more and more the norm for treatment of bacterial infections.

And FTFA - "The virus is going to go and kill the bacteria that causes acne. It's just going to break it apart and burst its membrane so there's no time for the bacteria to mutate," she says. It's sort of a surprise attack.

It's not a surprise attack and it will have the same problems you have with antibiotics. Bacteria have viral defense mechanisms. See for instance CRISPR and Restriction Enzymes. Presumably the way the virus is going to "break apart and burst" the bacteria membrane is through its replication cycle. So this "no time" because it's a "surprise attack" thing is B.S.

Link

Link

Cool idea, definitely should be pursued but it's not as magical as it's being portrayed.

Except that when a bacteria mutates, the bacteriophage will mutate within a few years (if not sooner) to bust through the new mutation. Viruses mutate faster than bacteria, in general. They're notorious for it. Given a little time, the phages grown will be able to bust up the bacteria again.

The reason? This particular bacteria is the only thing the phage 'eats'. It *will* mutate with its 'food', if only to continue to survive.


Why is it, do you think, that there are any bacteria left in existence?
 
2012-10-15 02:09:11 PM
How about just suck it up and wait for puberty to pass like everyone else?
 
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