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2012-10-15 07:45:56 AM
The only polls that mean anything are the ones that have Romney leading. Those are God's Honest Truth.
 
2012-10-15 08:06:28 AM
Ah so it's "Bad News For Obama" this week, isn't it.
 
2012-10-15 08:39:50 AM
From the redlit thread:

It's entirely possible that he is trying a long-game gamble. I mean, you're gonna lose a debate to this bastard at least once, give him the first one. Make expectations for him astronomical for the next two when people start paying attention more and drag him back to reality with a biatchslap of facts. Biden was the shot across the bow, they've taken the gloves off and tomorrow, Obama will (hopefully) give Romney what for. The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Or it's all a ruse and we're screwed with a Romney presidency, whichever you want to believe
 
2012-10-15 08:41:29 AM
News Media: "We must keep the Presidential race relevant so we can sell more news!"
 
2012-10-15 08:45:04 AM

Cythraul: News Media: "We must keep the Presidential race relevant so we can sell more news!"


Exactly. If you actually watched the debate, Romney won, but he didn't win by a wide margin, and the fact-checkers should have been tearing him apart throughout the news cycle. Instead, the media has its tight race and its ratings.

Beating up on Obama on the first debate is getting stale now, so the punditocracy is going to want to paint him as making a comeback in the second debate. Regardless of actual performance, my bet is that they'll say that the debate was a tie, that Obama did much better, and that Romney did well but did not meet expectations.
 
2012-10-15 08:54:47 AM

somedude210: Or it's all a ruse and we're screwed with a Romney presidency, whichever you want to believe


I don't believe that. But I do believe that Obama made a decision that looking gracious and Presidential took precedence over pounding Romney in constant bitter argument. Turns out that was not a good decision, even though it makes sense.

B*tchslap politics wins again. The American people simply prefer someone inept to someone who appears weak.
 
2012-10-15 08:57:53 AM

hillbillypharmacist: But I do believe that Obama made a decision that looking gracious and Presidential took precedence over pounding Romney in constant bitter argument.


That and Quantum Romney decided to use a different version of reality.
 
2012-10-15 09:00:53 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: That and Quantum Romney decided to use a different version of reality.


Yeah that makes it difficult, too. Obama needs a computer with quotes queued up.
 
2012-10-15 09:22:33 AM
You know, this is just AWFUL reporting, because if I'm reading this right, the graphic shows that Obama leads Romney among likely voters, but the article cites a 50-48 lead for Romney. The article's headline is about likability, so I *think* what they're saying is that Obama is ahead, 49-48 in polling in battleground states, but Romney is ahead in likability 50-48 in battleground states.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-15 09:38:20 AM
The last poll is the one people will remember. The first one was significant because people though Romney was finished up until then, but I don't think there are many undecided voters. I think the shift has been Republicans moving from the registered to the likely category because there many who were too discouraged to vote.

That's probably the reason that there is so much attempt to spin the poll results. It's more about voter turnout than anything.
 
2012-10-15 09:56:41 AM

vygramul: Romney is ahead in likability


Does not compute.
 
2012-10-15 09:57:29 AM
Not if you turn off your TV
 
2012-10-15 09:58:25 AM

somedude210: It's entirely possible that he is trying a long-game gamble.


Yes Yes

Just like the Healthcare debate and the debt ceiling debate. Both of those worked out wonderfully for Obama.
 
2012-10-15 10:00:12 AM
-- Romney leads with independents by 8 points, 49%-41%.







www.chronicle.su

 
2012-10-15 10:01:32 AM

ManateeGag: The only polls that mean anything are the ones that have Romney leading. Those are God's Honest Truth.


That's becoming all of them.

/he went up right after the 47% video
//I really hope Obama focuses in on that
 
2012-10-15 10:01:41 AM
Is it hyperbole to say that a Romney win could really be the tipping point to a place of no return for this country? We are already being swallowed in a mire of crony capitalism and corruption in the highest levels of government. What will happen if we put into power the quintissential crony capitalist, who, by the way, will owe some HUGE favors to Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Bros. if he wins? What about new Supreme Court Judges? An extended Conservative majority on the Supreme Court will be a complete disaster for this country.

Is it time to panic? Or at least drown our concerns in whiskey and political apathy?
 
2012-10-15 10:03:33 AM

somedude210: The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.


Benghazi.
 
2012-10-15 10:03:59 AM

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: -- Romney leads with independents by 8 points, 49%-41%.

[www.chronicle.su image 552x360]


Come on, if you're still an independent in this election after the last decade or so then you aren't too smart.
 
2012-10-15 10:05:32 AM
Joe Biden laughs at these polls. He sneers, mocks and dismissively waves away these results.

Calling them on their lies 'cause that's how he rolls.
 
2012-10-15 10:07:16 AM
You'd never know anything about the content of the debates due to the way the media is covering these things. The news cycle should have been filled with fact checkers tearing Romney and Ryan a new one, but instead, it's all bout how he looked good and how much better he did, etc.

It's downright moronic, really. Instead of reporting the facts, they are reporting in such a way to generate ratings, and that's effecting the polls. This may be the first election of my life where the winner is decided by media portrayals, and not by their platforms/deeds/etc.
 
2012-10-15 10:07:34 AM

OneTimed: Is it hyperbole to say that a Romney win could really be the tipping point to a place of no return for this country?


Probably, yeah. The country has had truly awful presidents before and as bad as Romney would almost certainly be, he'd have to work hard to be worse than Buchanan, Harding or even Bush the younger.
 
2012-10-15 10:08:02 AM
The choice is between the devil you know, and the devil you don't.

For the last 4 years, the devil you know has been unable to improve the economy.

Those independents you're surprised are swinging towards Romney are tired of Obama's inability to improve the economy. They're looking for something new.

And who can blame them? This has been a terrible 4 years.
 
2012-10-15 10:09:00 AM

OneTimed: Is it hyperbole to say that a Romney win could really be the tipping point to a place of no return for this country? We are already being swallowed in a mire of crony capitalism and corruption in the highest levels of government. What will happen if we put into power the quintissential crony capitalist, who, by the way, will owe some HUGE favors to Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Bros. if he wins? What about new Supreme Court Judges? An extended Conservative majority on the Supreme Court will be a complete disaster for this country.

Is it time to panic? Or at least drown our concerns in whiskey and political apathy?


This country will eventually reach the point of no return (every superpower in the history of the world has done so), but it won't be with Romney at the helm, IMHO. The electorate still has somewhat of a pulse and I don't see Romney winning.

/as a side note on the condition of this country's electorate, I was with a friend at a moderately upscale restaurant in Orange County, CA last week. We got on the subject of politics and I bet him $5 he could ask anyone in the restaurant who's the current Vice President and they wouldn't have a clue. After asking three different people and getting the same "deer in the headlights" look from each one of them, he handed over his $5 to me.
 
2012-10-15 10:09:46 AM

soy_bomb: somedude210: The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Benghazi.


only derpers think that is the worst thing since 9/11, you desperately want it to be some terrible conspiracy and you all wish hundreds of Americans died there, admit it.
 
2012-10-15 10:10:06 AM

somedude210: From the redlit thread:

It's entirely possible that he is trying a long-game gamble. I mean, you're gonna lose a debate to this bastard at least once, give him the first one. Make expectations for him astronomical for the next two when people start paying attention more and drag him back to reality with a biatchslap of facts. Biden was the shot across the bow, they've taken the gloves off and tomorrow, Obama will (hopefully) give Romney what for. The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Or it's all a ruse and we're screwed with a Romney presidency, whichever you want to believe


President Obama has shown time and time and time again that he's a fan of the rope-a-dope campaign strategy. This is the last election he's ever going to run, and the last rope-a-dope. If that was it, it was certainly an awfully risky strategy to go with.

Not that I don't disagree with the idea of throwing the first debate, history has consistently shown that the challenger always gets a bump just for standing on the same stage as the President, so why not make the first one a mulligan and let Romney giveaway his strategy for the remaining three weeks? We saw what it was... lie, lie and then lie some more.

Who knows though. Maybe we're screwed no matter who gets elected.
 
2012-10-15 10:10:23 AM

somedude210: From the redlit thread:

It's entirely possible that he is trying a long-game gamble. I mean, you're gonna lose a debate to this bastard at least once, give him the first one. Make expectations for him astronomical for the next two when people start paying attention more and drag him back to reality with a biatchslap of facts. Biden was the shot across the bow, they've taken the gloves off and tomorrow, Obama will (hopefully) give Romney what for. The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Or it's all a ruse and we're screwed with a Romney presidency, whichever you want to believe


Hopefully it's for the best, polls showing Obama with a strong lead for weeks might lead to Democrats not bothering to vote. Now that it's close maybe they'll make sure to get out and do it.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-15 10:11:23 AM
The only polls that mean anything are the ones that have Obama leading. Those are God's Honest Truth.
 
2012-10-15 10:12:02 AM

Gunther: OneTimed: Is it hyperbole to say that a Romney win could really be the tipping point to a place of no return for this country?

Probably, yeah. The country has had truly awful presidents before and as bad as Romney would almost certainly be, he'd have to work hard to be worse than Buchanan, Harding or even Bush the younger.


I sincerely hope you're right. I really do hate enganging in the kind of paranoia that you would typically see from the Freeper-crowd, but the fact that a majority of American are actually considering voting for Romney is downright terrifying.

/prays that Romney will swing hard to the left if he is elected
//not holding my breath
 
2012-10-15 10:13:41 AM
Has anyone heard the talking point of the weekend political shows:

Obama should not try to prosecute every thing Romney says -- instead he should describe his plan for the future

Me thinks this is like the Romney "zinger are coming" warning (that is -- misdirection: there were no zingers)

Look for Obama to attack Romney statements directly -- like how he school congress during that open discussion a couple of years back
 
2012-10-15 10:14:08 AM

OneTimed: Is it hyperbole to say that a Romney win could really be the tipping point to a place of no return for this country?


Yes, that would be hyperbole. Virtually nothing is going to change, economically speaking, whether Obama or Romney wins.
 
2012-10-15 10:14:34 AM
FTFA: On the other hand, Romney leads 50%-48% in the poll's 10 top "battleground states:" Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Translation: Rmoney's back to falling in Ohio and the electoral vote count isn't looking good, so let's merge all the 'battleground states' together and call it a horse race.
 
2012-10-15 10:15:19 AM

Headso: soy_bomb: somedude210: The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Benghazi.

only derpers think that is the worst thing since 9/11, you desperately want it to be some terrible conspiracy and you all wish hundreds of Americans died there, admit it.


They're comfortable with it, and have been since Reagan cried crocodile tears in Beriut in 1983.

They so WANT to believe that it's just like 1984 all over again that they're unwilling to believe facts or reality.
 
2012-10-15 10:15:48 AM
Tomorrow night is going to be ugly. It may very well be the lowest point in American political history. Both candidates have been trained by the public polls that doing anything other than constantly attacking and dismissing your opponent during a debate will result in a epic collapse of your support. This is the worst possible outcome, yet completely inevitable
 
2012-10-15 10:16:08 AM

topcon: OneTimed: Is it hyperbole to say that a Romney win could really be the tipping point to a place of no return for this country?

Yes, that would be hyperbole. Virtually nothing is going to change, economically speaking, whether Obama or Romney wins.


This article would disagree. There's a pretty clear choice economically speaking facing the country whether Obama or Romney wins. It's lengthy, but well worth the read.
 
2012-10-15 10:16:10 AM

OneTimed: Gunther: OneTimed: Is it hyperbole to say that a Romney win could really be the tipping point to a place of no return for this country?

Probably, yeah. The country has had truly awful presidents before and as bad as Romney would almost certainly be, he'd have to work hard to be worse than Buchanan, Harding or even Bush the younger.

I sincerely hope you're right. I really do hate enganging in the kind of paranoia that you would typically see from the Freeper-crowd, but the fact that a majority of American are actually considering voting for Romney is downright terrifying.

/prays that Romney will swing hard to the left if he is elected
//not holding my breath


oh my! I hope you have a fainting couch handy.
 
2012-10-15 10:16:21 AM

CPennypacker: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: -- Romney leads with independents by 8 points, 49%-41%.

[www.chronicle.su image 552x360]

Come on, if you're still an independent in this election after the last decade or so then you aren't too smart.


well it depends. I've never been registered as a dem or a repub. so in my current place of residence I default to independent.

I do have a voting history that leans heavily to one side over the other, even though I'm technically part of that party.

am I not too smart?

/ignore my capitalization and grammar when answering... I'm on a phone
 
2012-10-15 10:16:51 AM

CPennypacker: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: -- Romney leads with independents by 8 points, 49%-41%.

[www.chronicle.su image 552x360]

Come on, if you're still an independent in this election after the last decade or so then you aren't too smart.


I would still consider myself to be an independent (although that term has been co-opted into too many different meanings in the past few years to be of any value).

That being said, you are absolutely correct - there is no way in hell I would vote for a republican in the POTUS election in November.

I actually haven't voted for either democratic/republican candidate since I did in 2000 when I foolishly voted for gwb (I've written in my father's name as the candidate of my choice for two reasons - one, I figure he could do a better job; and two, my vote doesn't matter because I live in California. But I still make sure I vote).
 
2012-10-15 10:16:56 AM

Cythraul: News Media: "We must keep the Presidential race relevant so we can sell more news!"


Its not just the news. As I've come to understand in the past week or so, both parties want it to look like a horse race. If it starts to no longer look like a horse race, motivation for those voting for the 'winning' party can become less and motivation for those voting for the 'losing' party can become more.
 
2012-10-15 10:17:13 AM

keithgabryelski: Has anyone heard the talking point of the weekend political shows:

Obama should not try to prosecute every thing Romney says -- instead he should describe his plan for the future


Horrible idea. The main complaint about his performance in the first debate was that he was too passive; he needs to press Romney hard while also appearing "presidential", whatever that means.
 
2012-10-15 10:17:22 AM
The media wanted a horse race and sure enough they got one.

Meh. Gonna vote for Vermin Supreme.
 
2012-10-15 10:18:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The choice is between the devil you know, and the devil you don't.

For the last 4 years, the devil you know has been unable to improve the economy.

Those independents you're surprised are swinging towards Romney are tired of Obama's inability to improve the economy. They're looking for something new.

And who can blame them? This has been a terrible 4 years.



Let's see... Osama Bin Laden was finally killed, the economy didn't completely implode, we stopped fighting in Iraq, people are assured health care, gas is below the $5 peak average before the economic crash, Gaddafi and Mubarak are gone, we are drawing down in Afghanistan after 11 years and unemployment is below 8% four years after a crippling recession.

Nope. Not seeing it.
 
2012-10-15 10:18:54 AM
Yeah, but what do the unskewed polls say? Any sample that has fewer than 70% Republicans is suspect.
 
2012-10-15 10:19:01 AM

magores: CPennypacker: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: -- Romney leads with independents by 8 points, 49%-41%.

[www.chronicle.su image 552x360]

Come on, if you're still an independent in this election after the last decade or so then you aren't too smart.

well it depends. I've never been registered as a dem or a repub. so in my current place of residence I default to independent.

I do have a voting history that leans heavily to one side over the other, even though I'm technically part of that party.

am I not too smart?

/ignore my capitalization and grammar when answering... I'm on a phone


In polling it really has nothing to do with party registration. Its which party you identify more with.
 
2012-10-15 10:19:22 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: For the last 4 years, the devil you know has been unable to improve the economy.


You can repeat that as many times as you like, doesn't make it true.
 
2012-10-15 10:19:29 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: The media wanted a horse race and sure enough they got one.

Meh. Gonna vote for Vermin Supreme.


BRUSH YOUR TEETH!!!!!!
 
2012-10-15 10:20:14 AM

Skarekrough: Headso: soy_bomb: somedude210: The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Benghazi.

only derpers think that is the worst thing since 9/11, you desperately want it to be some terrible conspiracy and you all wish hundreds of Americans died there, admit it.

They're comfortable with it, and have been since Reagan cried crocodile tears in Beriut in 1983.

They so WANT to believe that it's just like 1984 all over again that they're unwilling to believe facts or reality.


You can tell who only gets their news from places like Fox because they put this huge importance on that event like it was some big thing, most people don't even know about it.
 
2012-10-15 10:20:33 AM

Headso: soy_bomb: somedude210: The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Benghazi.

only derpers think that is the worst thing since 9/11, you desperately want it to be some terrible conspiracy and you all wish hundreds of Americans died there, admit it.


It's a black eye. It has to be a black eye, otherwise he can't claim credit for other things that he's tangentially tied to by virtue of being the CIC. It's not a conspiracy or anything other than a successful attack by a terrorist/paramilitary group.

Skarekrough: Headso: soy_bomb: somedude210: The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Benghazi.

only derpers think that is the worst thing since 9/11, you desperately want it to be some terrible conspiracy and you all wish hundreds of Americans died there, admit it.

They're comfortable with it, and have been since Reagan cried crocodile tears in Beriut in 1983.

They so WANT to believe that it's just like 1984 all over again that they're unwilling to believe facts or reality.


They want to believe that the incumbent is going to sweep the nation?
 
2012-10-15 10:21:12 AM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: President Obama has shown time and time and time again that he's a fan of the rope-a-dope campaign strategy. This is the last election he's ever going to run, and the last rope-a-dope. If that was it, it was certainly an awfully risky strategy to go with.


He may have planned to be low key on the first debate, but I imagine he was surprised at how powerful Romney was. Face it, it was the first real sign of life his campaign has shown.

Republican's become overconfident too easily, and they're going to pay for that in the next two debates. Obama shines in the town hall setting, and it's hard to argue with much of his foreign policy.
 
2012-10-15 10:21:16 AM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: topcon: OneTimed: Is it hyperbole to say that a Romney win could really be the tipping point to a place of no return for this country?

Yes, that would be hyperbole. Virtually nothing is going to change, economically speaking, whether Obama or Romney wins.

This article would disagree. There's a pretty clear choice economically speaking facing the country whether Obama or Romney wins. It's lengthy, but well worth the read.


The teabagger tards have been saying "WE CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER OBAMA TERM! IT'LL BE THE END OF THE COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT!" as well. When Obama wins again, and I'm fairly certain he will, it won't be the end of the world in 2016.

Should Romney win, it's inane to think some godawful catastrophe is going to happen. The economy will still very likely be in some kind of slump still in 2016, at no fault of whoever is president at that time.

The United States president plays a relatively small role in this global economy where virtually every first world country is in the exact same position we are. Obama or Romney alone aren't powerful enough to cause some imaginary economic apocalypse that teabaggers and the kooks on the far left would like you to believe are possible.
 
2012-10-15 10:21:38 AM

soy_bomb: somedude210: The last debate is on foreign policy, and Romney is clearly the weaker opponent on it and Obama is the first democrat since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis that is looked nicely on for his foreign policy.

Benghazi.


Yes, because it's presidential to trip on your own dick trying to get out a statement blaming the president for the death of an ambassador and several staffers.

Wait...but Romney spoke before he knew about the deaths! Yeah - hence the "trip on your own dick."
 
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