sprawl15: Cythraul: If his career in the military isn't the cornerstone of his support for Romney for President, then what he's doing is not idiotic, as I originally suggested, instead it's just irresponsible when choosing the future leader of your country. Someone would have to be a virtual slave to not have enough time to do some research an educate yourself on the philosophies and political record of two Presidential candidates.The problem is that doing some research paints a very different picture than doing a whole lot of research. Romney claimed his plan was balanced, so you check his basis and he has 6 studies that support it, including papers from Princeton economists, top advisers to previous presidencies, and think tanks. Seems legit. Finding out that those studies are based on magic, though, is actual work. Those people depend on investigative journalism to do the heavy lifting of digging through and figuring out those documents, and the media isn't doing their job - in relation to either candidate.I mean, take a really simple example: the $77k tax cut Romney took on his horse. This is a silly, stupid topic, and it also happens to be factually untrue. Most people don't know that it's untrue, because the media assumed it was and most people just took them at their word. Even people who consider themselves otherwise informed on politics believe he took a $77k tax cut. And when you point it out, people will defend to the death the idea that a possible cut in the future is the same thing. About taxes on a farking dancing horse. Is it any surprise that people can't figure out the difficult things (like the GOP list of 'jobs bills' that passed the House but were shot down by Democrats in the Senate?People have to be totally distrustful of everything and do significant amounts of legwork to inform themselves. It's not as easy as just reading a couple different news sources and opinion pieces.
xanadian: Dear God.Between Ryan and Romney not communicating and getting on the same message, and Obama faceplanting during the debate, I'm not sure what to think.sammyk: But I don't think Obama wants to cut the military. I think it is simply on the table and has to be if you are going to approach balancing the budget like an adult.I don't think *anyone* wants to. I saw a breakdown in another Fark thread about military spending. The largest percentages are on personnel and operational readiness. About 60-70%. R&D was something like 5%. I'm guessing that's where all the money is going when we talk about the military-industrial complex (i.e. Raytheon, etc). To make a meaningful impact on debt reduction, you'd have to cut more than just the MI complex. :/
Deucednuisance: As I understood it it, it wasn't a "tax cut", but a separate business entity that operated at a net loss, so the expenses of the business were a deduction from income.
Deucednuisance: I'm giving you this one chance to discuss something like an adult, instead of your usual M.O.
The All-Powerful Atheismo: The problem people have with him is not that he is rich and gets tax deductions. $77,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to how much he is worth. It would be bothersome if he got the money, but whether he did or didn't ISN'T THE ISSUE.The issue is that HE IS ABLE TO IN THE FIRST PLACE
Deucednuisance: sprawl15: the $77k tax cut Romney took on his horse. This is a silly, stupid topic, and it also happens to be factually untrueNormally, I don't give you the time of day, but...As I understood it it, it wasn't a "tax cut", but a separate business entity that operated at a net loss, so the expenses of the business were a deduction from income. (Which is not a "tax cut".)Was this the intent of your claim that this is "factually untrue", or is there some other explanation for the story?I'm giving you this one chance to discuss something like an adult, instead of your usual M.O.Don't make me regret it.
karnal: Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.
sprawl15: You didn't read my response upthread that already answered your question, while preemptively complaining that I don't treat you like an adult? Gee, I wonder why that could possibly be.
Jackson Herring: well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagine
HST's Dead Carcass: karnal: Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.Yep, Obama is on schedule to win with 53% still. That dropped from 61%, but he's still in the lead.
karnal: Philip Francis Queegkarnal: HST's Dead Carcass"Just say what the voters want to hear, we already got the money from the 1%, and they know we're lying to Middle America to get in office."Obama's Campaign is full of lies - from I deserve four more years in the White House so we can fix the huge mess I inherited to My policies stopped another Depression.Yes, things were just dandy till Obama and his socialism!Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.
Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Philip Francis Queegkarnal: HST's Dead Carcass"Just say what the voters want to hear, we already got the money from the 1%, and they know we're lying to Middle America to get in office."Obama's Campaign is full of lies - from I deserve four more years in the White House so we can fix the huge mess I inherited to My policies stopped another Depression.Yes, things were just dandy till Obama and his socialism!Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.Yep, when the Romney/Ryan budget gets passed we will return to the glory days of October 2008.
karnal: You've swallowed their lies hook, line, and sinker, haven't you?
Deucednuisance: So there.
Jackson Herring: look what an adult you are
Deucednuisance: Jackson Herring: well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagineWaitaminit!I said that deductions from income are not "tax cuts"!Are you telling me that that is incorrect?Hah! Therefore I am not wrong about "literally everything" which makes me technically correct!Which is the best kind of correct....
Deucednuisance: what's a guy gotta do to get a laugh in this joint
Deucednuisance: Don't play cute and act like you've never seen it happen before.
karnal: And a doubling of U.S. exports by ending Obama's moratorium on new trade agreements.
cameroncrazy1984: What moratorium? He's signed 3 in the past four years. Do you know what a moratorium is?[imageshack.us image 320x137]Hint: it's not an increase year-over-year.
karnal: Remove Obama's blockade of the oil pipeline from Canada that would have created 20,000 jobs
sprawl15: cameroncrazy1984: What moratorium? He's signed 3 in the past four years. Do you know what a moratorium is?[imageshack.us image 320x137]Hint: it's not an increase year-over-year.I think this will be the thread where he finally recants his trolling. Keep it up!
cameroncrazy1984: It's not for him. Do you think he's the only one who reads responses to him?
karnal: He would make the Bush tax cuts permanent
karnal: Then Romney wants to cut tax rates further, both for businesses and the middle class
karnal: Remove Obama's blockade of the oil pipeline from Canada that would have created 20,000 jobs and ending offshore limits on oil and gas exploration to boost energy supplies and flatten gas prices.
karnal: And what is Obama going to do? More of the same? Double his efforts from the last four years? Tripling? Quadrupling? In the words of the late, great Billy Preston: "Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'"
sprawl15: cameroncrazy1984: It's not for him. Do you think he's the only one who reads responses to him?So you're trying to persuade...Grandpa Internet? Some lonely wanderer who set his crook by the door of this thread for a spell and is interested in seeing what you have to say about trolls?
cameroncrazy1984: I simply seek to set the record straight for anyone who might be easily misled.
karnal: Obama's moratorium on offshore drilling was prompted by the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago... any surged in domestic oil production since are from actions set in motion years before Obama took office....and even if he hasn't tried to "shut down" traditional energy industries, his policies have steered federal money away from oil and coal to alternative energy sources.
karnal: Time to dust off your resume, Big Bird.
Mrtraveler01: That was a good time to be a Phillies fan.
karnal: I am all for alternative energy.....in theory, we should be well on our way to getting off of fossil fuels by now....but we are not.....and taking money from the oil industries to give to "green" companies (Solar Trust of America, Solyndra, Abound Solar, LSP Energy, Evergreen Solar and Azure Dynamics....to name just a few...and all have FAILED...all have cost us taxpayers millions!) is like robbing Peter to pay Paul.
karnal: You thought that was good enough to quote "verbatim"?What proof did Obama have of his abilities when he ran the first go around? None! How about this time? None!Same things you say can apply to Dems just as easy.
cameroncrazy1984: How about, instead of spending even more on a military that is already stronger than every other military in the world combined we spend that money on infrastructure here at home. That does two things: it creates jobs and it fixes our failing roads, bridges and other infrastructure.
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