Deucednuisance: sprawl15: the $77k tax cut Romney took on his horse. This is a silly, stupid topic, and it also happens to be factually untrue

Normally, I don't give you the time of day, but...

As I understood it it, it wasn't a "tax cut", but a separate business entity that operated at a net loss, so the expenses of the business were a deduction from income. (Which is not a "tax cut".)

Was this the intent of your claim that this is "factually untrue", or is there some other explanation for the story?

I'm giving you this one chance to discuss something like an adult, instead of your usual M.O.

Don't make me regret it.

well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagine

karnal: Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.

Yep, Obama is on schedule to win with 53% still. That dropped from 61%, but he's still in the lead.

sprawl15: You didn't read my response upthread that already answered your question, while preemptively complaining that I don't treat you like an adult? Gee, I wonder why that could possibly be.

ONE chance, pal. You blew it bigtime. :(

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: HST's Dead Carcass

"Just say what the voters want to hear, we already got the money from the 1%, and they know we're lying to Middle America to get in office."

Obama's Campaign is full of lies - from I deserve four more years in the White House so we can fix the huge mess I inherited to My policies stopped another Depression.

Yes, things were just dandy till Obama and his socialism!


Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.

And... that's what you want? A return to Republican policies that got us into this disaster?

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting, I've lost count of layers of sarcasm.

karnal: You've swallowed their lies hook, line, and sinker, haven't you?

Explain how Romey is

A) Different

B) What his economy plan to end the recession

/that's what I thought
//Even HE doesn't know the answers
///He needs an audience to pander to in order to speak what 'he believes'

Deucednuisance: So there.

look what an adult you are

Deucednuisance: Jackson Herring: well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagine

Waitaminit!

I said that deductions from income are not "tax cuts"!

Are you telling me that that is incorrect?

Hah! Therefore I am not wrong about "literally everything" which makes me technically correct!

Which is the best kind of correct....

Now, this is a debate style I can embrace!

Deucednuisance: what's a guy gotta do to get a laugh in this joint

not pick on my broseph stalin? my turbro? my beef broth?

There is no such thing as trolling, only people who don't agree with you

karnal: He would make the Bush tax cuts permanent

This is bad for anyone not in the 1%

karnal: Then Romney wants to cut tax rates further, both for businesses and the middle class

That's not what he was saying a few months ago. Now that he's speaking directly to the middle class, his tune has changed. I guess we should just believe he really means it... this time. Can you say: "Read my lips: No new taxes!"? That's what he's really saying.

karnal: And a doubling of U.S. exports by ending Obama's moratorium on new trade agreements.

It's one thing to say it, it's another to do it. Bush era policies allowed tons of jobs to be moved off shore for tax breaks. Romney himself embraced this and is full instituted into how it works. People say he's a great businessman, but all he's done is offshore thousands of jobs, use the Government for money, then take the government money as a consulting fee and kill the company. If Corporations are people, 'my friend', then Mitt Romney is a mass murderer.

karnal: Remove Obama's blockade of the oil pipeline from Canada that would have created 20,000 jobs and ending offshore limits on oil and gas exploration to boost energy supplies and flatten gas prices.

It's cute you think Obama has anything to do with Gas Prices. I suppose you think Mitt will play hardball with the Saudi's to get our gas prices down. It's cute you think that, as well. It doesn't matter who is in office, they have very little control over the price of oil in the Middle East. It's funny how with the Bush Tax cuts, these oil companies are getting billions of dollars of refunds while our gas prices crawl ever higher. So, you just keep on believing it's Obama's fault, it's cute that you do.

karnal: And what is Obama going to do? More of the same? Double his efforts from the last four years? Tripling? Quadrupling? In the words of the late, great Billy Preston: "Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'"

Let's take Clinton as an example. Many of these arguments were said about him as well, and guess what happened his second term. Wanna wager $10,000 on what happened? If there's a chance that Obama can turn us around from 8 years of Bush like Clinton did from 12 years of Reagan/Bush, then my bet is on him.

I said it in another thread: I won't lose my job if Obama is in office, Romney already said he'll cut funding to Non-Profits when he takes office, and I work for a non-profit, thus, I will lose my job if Romney gets elected.

karnal: Obama's moratorium on offshore drilling was prompted by the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago... any surged in domestic oil production since are from actions set in motion years before Obama took office....and even if he hasn't tried to "shut down" traditional energy industries, his policies have steered federal money away from oil and coal to alternative energy sources.

You're absolutely correct in all statements. What's weird is you're saying these things as if they were bad for our country...

karnal: Time to dust off your resume, Big Bird.

Taken verbatim from another thread:

For all the braying you do about people living off the government teat, you certainly want to add more to it as long as you get your way. To reiterate: As long as the Right gets their way, we're cool. Damn everyone else, vote for our guy! Though you've brought nothing to the table, offered zero proof of his ability to turn the country around and refuse to answer, just like your candidate, the issue of his economic policies. Thus far, you only say: Vote for my guy and lose your job because it's selfish to do anything else.

Mrtraveler01: That was a good time to be a Phillies fan.

Oh no, sir. I must disagree. The reign of John Kruk cannot be topped. The man was making a laughingstock of physics every time he stepped on the field. Seen here: Human SingularityProfessional Athlete.
 

/end threadjack

karnal: I am all for alternative energy.....in theory, we should be well on our way to getting off of fossil fuels by now....but we are not.....and taking money from the oil industries to give to "green" companies (Solar Trust of America, Solyndra, Abound Solar, LSP Energy, Evergreen Solar and Azure Dynamics....to name just a few...and all have FAILED...all have cost us taxpayers millions!) is like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

So, in your own words: We should be investing in Alternative Energies. But, investing in Alternative Energies is costing us money, so we need to stop it.

Cognitive Dissonance in a nutshell right there.

Is it because it's not your guy blowing the money that is making you question it? Or the fact he won't blow it at all, he'll just hand it to the Oil and Coal execs in huge piles he likes to call Tax Breaks.

karnal: You thought that was good enough to quote "verbatim"?
What proof did Obama have of his abilities when he ran the first go around? None! How about this time? None!
Same things you say can apply to Dems just as easy.

Who said I voted for Obama last time around? I saw him in the middle of the Cult Of Personality and said: No thank you. This time around, I see what he is up against, and I was undecided up until Romney started talking about his plans to fix the economy. He says whatever his audience wants to hear. When speaking to the rich, he talks about how he's going to end Social Programs and starve them out, when talk to the middle class, he's talking about taxing the rich. He's a shiatty liar, and does nothing but pander to whoever he is speaking to. As of now, he's totally turned his back on his base, who he's been pandering for the last 6 years.

In case you haven't heard, the economy is picking up slightly. It's easy to stand on the outside and say: I'll do it better. Plans? Proof? Just trust me, I'll do it better.

I'll tell you right now I have a SIX point plan to recover our economy, that's one better than Romney's, so that means my plan is better. Given I'm an independent, I don't cater to either side, I'll arm the whole farking country and give buy 1 get one free abortion coupons. Who needs vouchers, everyone likes coupons better. Vote for me! It's only fair...

cameroncrazy1984: How about, instead of spending even more on a military that is already stronger than every other military in the world combined we spend that money on infrastructure here at home. That does two things: it creates jobs and it fixes our failing roads, bridges and other infrastructure.

What's funny is everyone also seems to agree a failing economy and dependence on foreign oil are both threats to our national security. But investing money in alternative energies at home is socialism - see for instance Solyndra1!1!1@#!