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2012-10-15 12:53:50 PM  

sprawl15: Cythraul: If his career in the military isn't the cornerstone of his support for Romney for President, then what he's doing is not idiotic, as I originally suggested, instead it's just irresponsible when choosing the future leader of your country. Someone would have to be a virtual slave to not have enough time to do some research an educate yourself on the philosophies and political record of two Presidential candidates.

The problem is that doing some research paints a very different picture than doing a whole lot of research. Romney claimed his plan was balanced, so you check his basis and he has 6 studies that support it, including papers from Princeton economists, top advisers to previous presidencies, and think tanks. Seems legit. Finding out that those studies are based on magic, though, is actual work. Those people depend on investigative journalism to do the heavy lifting of digging through and figuring out those documents, and the media isn't doing their job - in relation to either candidate.

I mean, take a really simple example: the $77k tax cut Romney took on his horse. This is a silly, stupid topic, and it also happens to be factually untrue. Most people don't know that it's untrue, because the media assumed it was and most people just took them at their word. Even people who consider themselves otherwise informed on politics believe he took a $77k tax cut. And when you point it out, people will defend to the death the idea that a possible cut in the future is the same thing. About taxes on a farking dancing horse. Is it any surprise that people can't figure out the difficult things (like the GOP list of 'jobs bills' that passed the House but were shot down by Democrats in the Senate?

People have to be totally distrustful of everything and do significant amounts of legwork to inform themselves. It's not as easy as just reading a couple different news sources and opinion pieces.


The problem people have with him is not that he is rich and gets tax deductions. $77,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to how much he is worth. It would be bothersome if he got the money, but whether he did or didn't ISN'T THE ISSUE.

The issue is that HE IS ABLE TO IN THE FIRST PLACE... and even more so that HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE.

We don't care that Obama is rich either. But Obama isn't trying to lower his own taxes or give himself more deductions or anything of the sort.
 
2012-10-15 12:54:07 PM  

xanadian: Dear God.

Between Ryan and Romney not communicating and getting on the same message, and Obama faceplanting during the debate, I'm not sure what to think.

sammyk: But I don't think Obama wants to cut the military. I think it is simply on the table and has to be if you are going to approach balancing the budget like an adult.

I don't think *anyone* wants to. I saw a breakdown in another Fark thread about military spending. The largest percentages are on personnel and operational readiness. About 60-70%. R&D was something like 5%. I'm guessing that's where all the money is going when we talk about the military-industrial complex (i.e. Raytheon, etc). To make a meaningful impact on debt reduction, you'd have to cut more than just the MI complex. :/


Readiness is way more expensive when you have guys over in Iraq/Afghanistan . Also those contractors are out there in force as well. Most of the cooking/cleaning/convoys are done by contractors now, all of it "readiness" all of it expensive. 


Personally I agree that we SHOULD keep Defense spending at 4% after we end the wars. We should bring the guys back home and have them build roads and bridges. Putting it under the defense budget keeps it from getting cut, and it keeps the people employed after they come back home. Much is the reason we got the Interstate system we have today, we called it "defense".
 
2012-10-15 01:00:59 PM  

Deucednuisance: As I understood it it, it wasn't a "tax cut", but a separate business entity that operated at a net loss, so the expenses of the business were a deduction from income.


It's classified as a passive activity. Passive activity losses can only be applied to offset passive activity gains. If Rafalca won $77k in a dancing horse competition, that could be written off. If they found a duffel bag with $77k in it on the way to the dancing horse competition, that couldn't be written off. He wrote off a total of $49 in gains in 2010 with that $77k.

So, potentially in the future he could apply that declared loss to passive activity gains from his dancing horses, but that's a far cry from the original claim.

Deucednuisance: I'm giving you this one chance to discuss something like an adult, instead of your usual M.O.


You didn't read my response upthread that already answered your question, while preemptively complaining that I don't treat you like an adult? Gee, I wonder why that could possibly be.
 
2012-10-15 01:01:48 PM  
Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: HST's Dead Carcass

"Just say what the voters want to hear, we already got the money from the 1%, and they know we're lying to Middle America to get in office."

Obama's Campaign is full of lies - from I deserve four more years in the White House so we can fix the huge mess I inherited to My policies stopped another Depression.

Yes, things were just dandy till Obama and his socialism!



Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.
 
2012-10-15 01:03:22 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: The problem people have with him is not that he is rich and gets tax deductions. $77,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to how much he is worth. It would be bothersome if he got the money, but whether he did or didn't ISN'T THE ISSUE.

The issue is that HE IS ABLE TO IN THE FIRST PLACE


How is he able to?
 
2012-10-15 01:03:38 PM  

Deucednuisance: sprawl15: the $77k tax cut Romney took on his horse. This is a silly, stupid topic, and it also happens to be factually untrue

Normally, I don't give you the time of day, but...

As I understood it it, it wasn't a "tax cut", but a separate business entity that operated at a net loss, so the expenses of the business were a deduction from income. (Which is not a "tax cut".)

Was this the intent of your claim that this is "factually untrue", or is there some other explanation for the story?

I'm giving you this one chance to discuss something like an adult, instead of your usual M.O.

Don't make me regret it.


well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagine
 
2012-10-15 01:04:49 PM  

karnal: Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.


Yep, Obama is on schedule to win with 53% still. That dropped from 61%, but he's still in the lead.
 
2012-10-15 01:05:03 PM  

sprawl15: You didn't read my response upthread that already answered your question, while preemptively complaining that I don't treat you like an adult? Gee, I wonder why that could possibly be.


ONE chance, pal. You blew it bigtime. :(
 
2012-10-15 01:05:24 PM  

Jackson Herring: well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagine


he must still be upset about the spiders
 
2012-10-15 01:06:07 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: karnal: Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.

Yep, Obama is on schedule to win with 53% still. That dropped from 61%, but he's still in the lead.


And it's heading back up. At least a little bit.
 
2012-10-15 01:06:22 PM  

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: HST's Dead Carcass

"Just say what the voters want to hear, we already got the money from the 1%, and they know we're lying to Middle America to get in office."

Obama's Campaign is full of lies - from I deserve four more years in the White House so we can fix the huge mess I inherited to My policies stopped another Depression.

Yes, things were just dandy till Obama and his socialism!


Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.


And... that's what you want? A return to Republican policies that got us into this disaster?

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting, I've lost count of layers of sarcasm.
 
2012-10-15 01:08:13 PM  

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: HST's Dead Carcass

"Just say what the voters want to hear, we already got the money from the 1%, and they know we're lying to Middle America to get in office."

Obama's Campaign is full of lies - from I deserve four more years in the White House so we can fix the huge mess I inherited to My policies stopped another Depression.

Yes, things were just dandy till Obama and his socialism!


Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.


Yep, when the Romney/Ryan budget gets passed we will return to the glory days of October 2008.
 
2012-10-15 01:10:34 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: HST's Dead Carcass

"Just say what the voters want to hear, we already got the money from the 1%, and they know we're lying to Middle America to get in office."

Obama's Campaign is full of lies - from I deserve four more years in the White House so we can fix the huge mess I inherited to My policies stopped another Depression.

Yes, things were just dandy till Obama and his socialism!


Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.

Yep, when the Romney/Ryan budget gets passed we will return to the glory days of October 2008.


That was a good time to be a Phillies fan.
 
2012-10-15 01:12:26 PM  
Apparently we found the 2 percent of the deal that Boehner didn't want.
 
2012-10-15 01:16:01 PM  
Hickory-smoked


karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: HST's Dead Carcass

"Just say what the voters want to hear, we already got the money from the 1%, and they know we're lying to Middle America to get in office."

Obama's Campaign is full of lies - from I deserve four more years in the White House so we can fix the huge mess I inherited to My policies stopped another Depression.

Yes, things were just dandy till Obama and his socialism!


Do not worry, my brother - things will be "just dandy" again.

And... that's what you want? A return to Republican policies that got us into this disaster?

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting, I've lost count of layers of sarcasm.



You've swallowed their lies hook, line, and sinker, haven't you?
 
2012-10-15 01:17:41 PM  

sprawl15: You didn't read my response upthread that already answered your question, while preemptively complaining that I don't treat you like an adult? Gee, I wonder why that could possibly be.


Sometimes, on Fark, people respond to the outrageous before reading the entire thread, Mr. Stickler-for-the-facts.

Don't play cute and act like you've never seen it happen before.

Besides, some of us are also at work and can only read in short bursts before having to look productive.

And my complaint was not proactively that you would fail to treat me as an adult, it was that you so frequently behave like a child.

So there.
 
2012-10-15 01:17:49 PM  

karnal: You've swallowed their lies hook, line, and sinker, haven't you?


Explain how Romey is

A) Different

B) What his economy plan to end the recession

/that's what I thought
//Even HE doesn't know the answers
///He needs an audience to pander to in order to speak what 'he believes'
 
2012-10-15 01:19:31 PM  

Jackson Herring: well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagine


Not as much as I regret your special relationship with a certain mousy Jewess, damn your eyes!
 
2012-10-15 01:19:39 PM  

Deucednuisance: So there.


look what an adult you are
 
2012-10-15 01:20:13 PM  

karnal: You've swallowed their lies hook, line, and sinker, haven't you?


imageshack.us

I'm sorry, you were saying?
 
2012-10-15 01:22:33 PM  

Jackson Herring: well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagine


Waitaminit!

I said that deductions from income are not "tax cuts"!

Are you telling me that that is incorrect?

Hah! Therefore I am not wrong about "literally everything" which makes me technically correct!

Which is the best kind of correct....
 
2012-10-15 01:24:13 PM  

Jackson Herring: look what an adult you are


Sorry about your humor impairment.

(Could it have been any broader? Jeeze, what's a guy gotta do to get a laugh in this joint?)
 
2012-10-15 01:24:33 PM  

Deucednuisance: Jackson Herring: well you're going to regret being wrong about literally everything in your post I'd imagine

Waitaminit!

I said that deductions from income are not "tax cuts"!

Are you telling me that that is incorrect?

Hah! Therefore I am not wrong about "literally everything" which makes me technically correct!

Which is the best kind of correct....


Now, this is a debate style I can embrace!
 
2012-10-15 01:27:31 PM  
HST's Dead Carcass

karnal: You've swallowed their lies hook, line, and sinker, haven't you?

Explain how Romey is

A) Different

B) What his economy plan to end the recession

/that's what I thought
//Even HE doesn't know the answers
///He needs an audience to pander to in order to speak what 'he believes'



He would make the Bush tax cuts permanent

Then Romney wants to cut tax rates further, both for businesses and the middle class

And a doubling of U.S. exports by ending Obama's moratorium on new trade agreements.
Remove Obama's blockade of the oil pipeline from Canada that would have created 20,000 jobs and ending offshore limits on oil and gas exploration to boost energy supplies and flatten gas prices. 

And what is Obama going to do? More of the same? Double his efforts from the last four years? Tripling? Quadrupling? In the words of the late, great Billy Preston: "Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'"
 
2012-10-15 01:27:47 PM  

Deucednuisance: what's a guy gotta do to get a laugh in this joint


not pick on my broseph stalin? my turbro? my beef broth?
 
2012-10-15 01:28:46 PM  

Deucednuisance: Don't play cute and act like you've never seen it happen before.


From the sound of your complaining, I've apparently seen it from you a couple of times.
 
2012-10-15 01:31:12 PM  

karnal: And a doubling of U.S. exports by ending Obama's moratorium on new trade agreements.


What moratorium? He's signed 3 in the past four years. Do you know what a moratorium is?

imageshack.us

Hint: it's not an increase year-over-year.
 
2012-10-15 01:32:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: What moratorium? He's signed 3 in the past four years. Do you know what a moratorium is?

[imageshack.us image 320x137]

Hint: it's not an increase year-over-year.


I think this will be the thread where he finally recants his trolling. Keep it up!
 
2012-10-15 01:32:25 PM  

karnal: Remove Obama's blockade of the oil pipeline from Canada that would have created 20,000 jobs


Six thousand temporary jobs. Common mistake.
 
2012-10-15 01:33:14 PM  

sprawl15: cameroncrazy1984: What moratorium? He's signed 3 in the past four years. Do you know what a moratorium is?

[imageshack.us image 320x137]

Hint: it's not an increase year-over-year.

I think this will be the thread where he finally recants his trolling. Keep it up!


It's not for him. Do you think he's the only one who reads responses to him?
 
2012-10-15 01:34:53 PM  
There is no such thing as trolling, only people who don't agree with you
 
2012-10-15 01:35:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: It's not for him. Do you think he's the only one who reads responses to him?


So you're trying to persuade...Grandpa Internet? Some lonely wanderer who set his crook by the door of this thread for a spell and is interested in seeing what you have to say about trolls?
 
2012-10-15 01:36:35 PM  

karnal: He would make the Bush tax cuts permanent


This is bad for anyone not in the 1%

karnal: Then Romney wants to cut tax rates further, both for businesses and the middle class


That's not what he was saying a few months ago. Now that he's speaking directly to the middle class, his tune has changed. I guess we should just believe he really means it... this time. Can you say: "Read my lips: No new taxes!"? That's what he's really saying.

karnal: And a doubling of U.S. exports by ending Obama's moratorium on new trade agreements.


It's one thing to say it, it's another to do it. Bush era policies allowed tons of jobs to be moved off shore for tax breaks. Romney himself embraced this and is full instituted into how it works. People say he's a great businessman, but all he's done is offshore thousands of jobs, use the Government for money, then take the government money as a consulting fee and kill the company. If Corporations are people, 'my friend', then Mitt Romney is a mass murderer.

karnal: Remove Obama's blockade of the oil pipeline from Canada that would have created 20,000 jobs and ending offshore limits on oil and gas exploration to boost energy supplies and flatten gas prices.


It's cute you think Obama has anything to do with Gas Prices. I suppose you think Mitt will play hardball with the Saudi's to get our gas prices down. It's cute you think that, as well. It doesn't matter who is in office, they have very little control over the price of oil in the Middle East. It's funny how with the Bush Tax cuts, these oil companies are getting billions of dollars of refunds while our gas prices crawl ever higher. So, you just keep on believing it's Obama's fault, it's cute that you do.

karnal: And what is Obama going to do? More of the same? Double his efforts from the last four years? Tripling? Quadrupling? In the words of the late, great Billy Preston: "Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'"


Let's take Clinton as an example. Many of these arguments were said about him as well, and guess what happened his second term. Wanna wager $10,000 on what happened? If there's a chance that Obama can turn us around from 8 years of Bush like Clinton did from 12 years of Reagan/Bush, then my bet is on him.

I said it in another thread: I won't lose my job if Obama is in office, Romney already said he'll cut funding to Non-Profits when he takes office, and I work for a non-profit, thus, I will lose my job if Romney gets elected.
 
2012-10-15 01:37:20 PM  

sprawl15: cameroncrazy1984: It's not for him. Do you think he's the only one who reads responses to him?

So you're trying to persuade...Grandpa Internet? Some lonely wanderer who set his crook by the door of this thread for a spell and is interested in seeing what you have to say about trolls?


I have nothing to say about trolls. I have not personally called him a troll. I simply seek to set the record straight for anyone who might be easily misled.
 
2012-10-15 01:40:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I simply seek to set the record straight for anyone who might be easily misled.


imageshack.us
 
2012-10-15 01:40:37 PM  
cameroncrazy1984

karnal: And a doubling of U.S. exports by ending Obama's moratorium on new trade agreements.

What moratorium? He's signed 3 in the past four years. Do you know what a moratorium is?



Hint: it's not an increase year-over-year.


Obama's moratorium on offshore drilling was prompted by the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago... any surged in domestic oil production since are from actions set in motion years before Obama took office....and even if he hasn't tried to "shut down" traditional energy industries, his policies have steered federal money away from oil and coal to alternative energy sources.
 
2012-10-15 01:42:14 PM  

karnal: Obama's moratorium on offshore drilling was prompted by the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago... any surged in domestic oil production since are from actions set in motion years before Obama took office....and even if he hasn't tried to "shut down" traditional energy industries, his policies have steered federal money away from oil and coal to alternative energy sources.


You're absolutely correct in all statements. What's weird is you're saying these things as if they were bad for our country...
 
2012-10-15 01:44:46 PM  
HST's Dead Carcass

karnal: He would make the Bush tax cuts permanent

This is bad for anyone not in the 1%

karnal: Then Romney wants to cut tax rates further, both for businesses and the middle class

That's not what he was saying a few months ago. Now that he's speaking directly to the middle class, his tune has changed. I guess we should just believe he really means it... this time. Can you say: "Read my lips: No new taxes!"? That's what he's really saying.

karnal: And a doubling of U.S. exports by ending Obama's moratorium on new trade agreements.

It's one thing to say it, it's another to do it. Bush era policies allowed tons of jobs to be moved off shore for tax breaks. Romney himself embraced this and is full instituted into how it works. People say he's a great businessman, but all he's done is offshore thousands of jobs, use the Government for money, then take the government money as a consulting fee and kill the company. If Corporations are people, 'my friend', then Mitt Romney is a mass murderer.

karnal: Remove Obama's blockade of the oil pipeline from Canada that would have created 20,000 jobs and ending offshore limits on oil and gas exploration to boost energy supplies and flatten gas prices.

It's cute you think Obama has anything to do with Gas Prices. I suppose you think Mitt will play hardball with the Saudi's to get our gas prices down. It's cute you think that, as well. It doesn't matter who is in office, they have very little control over the price of oil in the Middle East. It's funny how with the Bush Tax cuts, these oil companies are getting billions of dollars of refunds while our gas prices crawl ever higher. So, you just keep on believing it's Obama's fault, it's cute that you do.

karnal: And what is Obama going to do? More of the same? Double his efforts from the last four years? Tripling? Quadrupling? In the words of the late, great Billy Preston: "Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'"

Let's take Clinton as an example. Many of these arguments were said about him as well, and guess what happened his second term. Wanna wager $10,000 on what happened? If there's a chance that Obama can turn us around from 8 years of Bush like Clinton did from 12 years of Reagan/Bush, then my bet is on him.

I said it in another thread: I won't lose my job if Obama is in office, Romney already said he'll cut funding to Non-Profits when he takes office, and I work for a non-profit, thus, I will lose my job if Romney gets elected.



Time to dust off your resume, Big Bird.
 
2012-10-15 01:47:25 PM  
This makes a lot of sense to me. At one point, Romney's entire platform was to just say he would do the opposite of in every case. But once it started to look like Romney had even the smallest chance of winning, the fatal flaw in this strategy became apparent. Suppose Romney won, and then received the dreaded 3:00 AM phone call sometime in the middle of his term. Without Obama there to chart a a reasonable, even-keeled response, how would Romney know what policy he should immediately disagree with, and later take credit for (if it works)?

But with Ryan on board, the problem is solved. Now Romney can disagree with his own administration's policies! His administration can take any position he wants it to take, and then he can be simultaneously for it and against it, depending on the mood of his audience. It's perfect!
 
2012-10-15 01:49:06 PM  

karnal: Time to dust off your resume, Big Bird.


Taken verbatim from another thread:

For all the braying you do about people living off the government teat, you certainly want to add more to it as long as you get your way. To reiterate: As long as the Right gets their way, we're cool. Damn everyone else, vote for our guy! Though you've brought nothing to the table, offered zero proof of his ability to turn the country around and refuse to answer, just like your candidate, the issue of his economic policies. Thus far, you only say: Vote for my guy and lose your job because it's selfish to do anything else.
 
2012-10-15 01:49:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: That was a good time to be a Phillies fan.


Oh no, sir. I must disagree. The reign of John Kruk cannot be topped. The man was making a laughingstock of physics every time he stepped on the field. Seen here: Human SingularityProfessional Athlete.
a.espncdn.com 

/end threadjack
 
2012-10-15 01:52:35 PM  
HST's Dead Carcass

karnal: Obama's moratorium on offshore drilling was prompted by the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago... any surged in domestic oil production since are from actions set in motion years before Obama took office....and even if he hasn't tried to "shut down" traditional energy industries, his policies have steered federal money away from oil and coal to alternative energy sources.

You're absolutely correct in all statements. What's weird is you're saying these things as if they were bad for our country...



I am all for alternative energy.....in theory, we should be well on our way to getting off of fossil fuels by now....but we are not.....and taking money from the oil industries to give to "green" companies (Solar Trust of America, Solyndra, Abound Solar, LSP Energy, Evergreen Solar and Azure Dynamics....to name just a few...and all have FAILED...all have cost us taxpayers millions!) is like robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 
2012-10-15 02:01:45 PM  
HST's Dead Carcass

karnal: Time to dust off your resume, Big Bird.

Taken verbatim from another thread:

For all the braying you do about people living off the government teat, you certainly want to add more to it as long as you get your way. To reiterate: As long as the Right gets their way, we're cool. Damn everyone else, vote for our guy! Though you've brought nothing to the table, offered zero proof of his ability to turn the country around and refuse to answer, just like your candidate, the issue of his economic policies. Thus far, you only say: Vote for my guy and lose your job because it's selfish to do anything else.



You thought that was good enough to quote "verbatim"?
What proof did Obama have of his abilities when he ran the first go around? None! How about this time? None!
Same things you say can apply to Dems just as easy.
 
2012-10-15 02:01:50 PM  

karnal: Obama's moratorium on offshore drilling was prompted by the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago... any surged in domestic oil production since are from actions set in motion years before Obama took office....and even if he hasn't tried to "shut down" traditional energy industries, his policies have steered federal money away from oil and coal to alternative energy sources.


Um. None of that is related to what I responded to. What moratorium on free trade agreements?
 
2012-10-15 02:02:36 PM  

karnal: I am all for alternative energy.....in theory, we should be well on our way to getting off of fossil fuels by now....but we are not.....and taking money from the oil industries to give to "green" companies (Solar Trust of America, Solyndra, Abound Solar, LSP Energy, Evergreen Solar and Azure Dynamics....to name just a few...and all have FAILED...all have cost us taxpayers millions!) is like robbing Peter to pay Paul.


So, in your own words: We should be investing in Alternative Energies. But, investing in Alternative Energies is costing us money, so we need to stop it.

Cognitive Dissonance in a nutshell right there.

Is it because it's not your guy blowing the money that is making you question it? Or the fact he won't blow it at all, he'll just hand it to the Oil and Coal execs in huge piles he likes to call Tax Breaks.
 
2012-10-15 02:05:13 PM  

karnal: I am all for alternative energy.....in theory, we should be well on our way to getting off of fossil fuels by now....but we are not.....and taking money from the oil industries to give to "green" companies (Solar Trust of America, Solyndra, Abound Solar, LSP Energy, Evergreen Solar and Azure Dynamics....to name just a few...and all have FAILED...all have cost us taxpayers millions!) is like robbing Peter to pay Paul.


If all of that has failed, why is alternative energy like solar up from 8% in 2002 to 14% in 2012?
 
2012-10-15 02:13:54 PM  

karnal: You thought that was good enough to quote "verbatim"?
What proof did Obama have of his abilities when he ran the first go around? None! How about this time? None!
Same things you say can apply to Dems just as easy.


Who said I voted for Obama last time around? I saw him in the middle of the Cult Of Personality and said: No thank you. This time around, I see what he is up against, and I was undecided up until Romney started talking about his plans to fix the economy. He says whatever his audience wants to hear. When speaking to the rich, he talks about how he's going to end Social Programs and starve them out, when talk to the middle class, he's talking about taxing the rich. He's a shiatty liar, and does nothing but pander to whoever he is speaking to. As of now, he's totally turned his back on his base, who he's been pandering for the last 6 years.

In case you haven't heard, the economy is picking up slightly. It's easy to stand on the outside and say: I'll do it better. Plans? Proof? Just trust me, I'll do it better.

I'll tell you right now I have a SIX point plan to recover our economy, that's one better than Romney's, so that means my plan is better. Given I'm an independent, I don't cater to either side, I'll arm the whole farking country and give buy 1 get one free abortion coupons. Who needs vouchers, everyone likes coupons better. Vote for me! It's only fair...
 
2012-10-15 02:17:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: How about, instead of spending even more on a military that is already stronger than every other military in the world combined we spend that money on infrastructure here at home. That does two things: it creates jobs and it fixes our failing roads, bridges and other infrastructure.


What's funny is everyone also seems to agree a failing economy and dependence on foreign oil are both threats to our national security. But investing money in alternative energies at home is socialism - see for instance Solyndra1!1!1@#!
 
2012-10-15 02:18:42 PM  
cameroncrazy1984

karnal: Obama's moratorium on offshore drilling was prompted by the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago... any surged in domestic oil production since are from actions set in motion years before Obama took office....and even if he hasn't tried to "shut down" traditional energy industries, his policies have steered federal money away from oil and coal to alternative energy sources.

Um. None of that is related to what I responded to. What moratorium on free trade agreements?\


Ok - I mispoke. His failure to pass free trade agreements.
 
2012-10-15 02:20:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: How about, instead of spending even more on a military that is already stronger than every other military in the world combined we spend that money on infrastructure here at home. That does two things: it creates jobs and it fixes our failing roads, bridges and other infrastructure.


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