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2012-10-15 08:03:20 AM
A quick change of clothes and they could have done Agincourt.
 
2012-10-15 08:38:59 AM
(Gives the two finger salute to the weather)
 
2012-10-15 08:42:52 AM
One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers
 
2012-10-15 08:45:40 AM

cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers


And yet, civil war re-enactments are very popular in the South.
 
2012-10-15 08:48:27 AM

Cythraul: cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers

And yet, civil war re-enactments are very popular in the South.


Ahh, this is true.

That puts it in perspective for me.
 
2012-10-15 09:05:39 AM
You know who else canceled historical reenactments?

/Godwinsoned
 
2012-10-15 09:06:05 AM
[c-geek-story-b]

I was lucky enough to get ticket #1066 from our bug tracking system. I, of course, close the ticket with "Like William before me, 1066 passes into the history books as a victorious battle".

nobody got it.

:(

[/c-geek-story-b]
 
2012-10-15 09:06:44 AM

Cythraul: cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers

And yet, civil war re-enactments are very popular in the South.


Well... At this point, just think of how mixed the blood of the Britons and Normans must be, after 946 years. It'd be impossible to find a purely British person, I'd imagine.

At least down South you can still find people without a drop of Yankee blood in them.
 
2012-10-15 09:07:18 AM

cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers


You know the Normans stayed so at least for some their forefathers were the winners
 
2012-10-15 09:09:00 AM

cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers


I don't know about that. I bet most of the people involved here have *some* Norman ancestry.
 
2012-10-15 09:15:48 AM

FriarReb98: Cythraul: cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers

And yet, civil war re-enactments are very popular in the South.

Well... At this point, just think of how mixed the blood of the Britons and Normans must be, after 946 years. It'd be impossible to find a purely British person, I'd imagine.

At least down South you can still find people without a drop of Yankee blood in them.


'Yankee blood' - that's funny. And I'd think it'd be a bit difficult to start buttoning down a definitive 'British' bloodline. Or any bloodline, for that matter. Well, most, anyway. The more isolated a genetic stock, the easier that would probably be. As for countries in Europe, they've invaded, settled, and raped each other so much, you can really only start genetically categorizing regions of Europe.

I've read where geneticists say otherwise, but I have yet to read exactly how they go about determining how someone has a certain amount of 'British' genetics.
 
2012-10-15 09:16:53 AM

cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers


I'd bet a good percentage of the people there have Norman heritage, or mixed, or part of the orignal peoples conquered by the Anglo-Saxons.
 
2012-10-15 09:17:13 AM

Cythraul: I've read where geneticists say otherwise, but I have yet to read exactly how they go about determining how someone has a certain amount of 'British' genetics.


Dental records?

/yea, cheap shot
 
2012-10-15 09:22:10 AM
Hastings was fairly important. It directed England towards the heart of europe, rather than scandanavia.
 
2012-10-15 09:25:34 AM
All right......Hastings!
 
2012-10-15 09:26:43 AM

Therion: A quick change of clothes and they could have done Agincourt.


You sound like a guy named Henry, who is legend to have drunk a Fifth on St. Crispin's day.
 
2012-10-15 09:28:42 AM

Therion: A quick change of clothes and they could have done Agincourt.


But they would have needed a lot more horses.
 
2012-10-15 09:28:47 AM

Therion: A quick change of clothes and they could have done Agincourt.


Came for this
 
2012-10-15 09:29:21 AM

cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers


They're the product of the conquest so of course they would be celebrating it.
 
2012-10-15 09:30:20 AM
It would have been brilliant if they issued bumbershoots instead.
 
2012-10-15 09:32:08 AM
It's my life goal to live until the 1000th anniversary of the Battle of Hastings. I'll be pretty dang old by then.
 
2012-10-15 09:39:46 AM
I'll be 101.
 
2012-10-15 09:41:19 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: It's my life goal to live until the 1000th anniversary of the Battle of Hastings. I'll be pretty dang old by then.


So... Fark Party for the 1000th anniversary then?
 
2012-10-15 09:43:03 AM
www.madmumblings.com
 
2012-10-15 09:45:51 AM
Hastings used its little gray cells
 
2012-10-15 09:46:58 AM
Harfleur == Seahawks win over the Packers
Agincourt == Seahawks win over the Patriots

Granted the two aren't exactly the same, mainly Henry Vth won both of those in away battles.
 
2012-10-15 09:47:46 AM
My Norman ancestors fought in Hastings in 1066, so I'm getting a kick out of this reenactment.
 
2012-10-15 09:50:26 AM
thenewcomer.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-15 09:51:37 AM
My Ancestor was the original King of England who was defeated at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 ;- ))
 
2012-10-15 09:54:47 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: It's my life goal to live until the 1000th anniversary of the Battle of Hastings. I'll be pretty dang old by then.


I've decided that I want to see the next millennium.
 
2012-10-15 09:56:44 AM

StarFyre: My Ancestor was the original King of England who was defeated at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 ;- ))


I didn't vote for him
 
2012-10-15 10:09:18 AM

StarFyre: My Ancestor was the original King of England who was defeated at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 ;- ))


So you're related to the man who caused all this needless bloodshed? Mazel tov.

Actually..deciding the English royalty by way of tournament bracket should become SOP.

(2) Godwinson V (3) Hardrada
(1) William - bye (due to actual blood familial relation)

(1) William v. (2) Godwinson

Wonder what the bracket would look like once the crown needs to be passed again.
 
2012-10-15 10:09:48 AM
I guess some things never change. Rich guys starting wars and peons celebrating them for generations.

/William's net worth: $229.5 Billion (inflation adjusted)
//Learned that just yesterday, here on fark
 
2012-10-15 10:10:04 AM
If Harold had won the Battle of Hastings then most likely there wouldn't have been the need for the Magna Carta. In Anglo-Saxon society women had basic rights, even the right to divorce if their man could not satisfy them - true. The Normans were horrible caretakers of England.
 
2012-10-15 10:13:50 AM

Therion: A quick change of clothes and they could have done Agincourt.


Well played. You received an 'A' for the course. Remember though that the armor worn by Norman knights wasn't nearly as encumbering as that worn by French knights centuries later, so it's more than a simple change of clothes.

FriarReb98: Cythraul: cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers

And yet, civil war re-enactments are very popular in the South.

Well... At this point, just think of how mixed the blood of the Britons and Normans must be, after 946 years. It'd be impossible to find a purely British person, I'd imagine.

At least down South you can still find people without a drop of Yankee blood in them.


I think perhaps there's probably more than a few "pure Southerns" who's great great grandma's weren't as virginal and/or unwilling as you suspect....Yankee cavalry turned up in the darndest places, as did children nine months or so later. Naturally great, great grandpa Jedidiah wondered why his beautiful wife gave birth a month or so early, but then he was just glad to be home from the war and he never was good at math.
 
2012-10-15 10:14:02 AM
I am actually a descendant of William the Conqueror. Found that out while doing geneological research back in high school.

Turns out he's my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather. (That is 34 Greats).
 
2012-10-15 10:19:19 AM

cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers


It's so far in the past that both sides are their ancestors now. 300 years before that, it was Danish Vikings settling in on the East side of the island, or just leaving their genes in a few Saxon women. The "English" are mutts, if a WASP is being racist, you have a free pass to laugh in his or her face.

/Anglo-American, so even more muttish than regular Anglo Saxons
 
2012-10-15 10:21:02 AM
I would have been King of England just like you until I took an an arrow to the eye
 
2012-10-15 10:21:37 AM
ALso I can tell who has played Crusader Kings games by reading this thread >:)
 
2012-10-15 10:22:11 AM
Normans surrender?
 
2012-10-15 10:35:36 AM

FriarReb98: Cythraul: cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers

And yet, civil war re-enactments are very popular in the South.

Well... At this point, just think of how mixed the blood of the Britons and Normans must be, after 946 years. It'd be impossible to find a purely British person, I'd imagine.

At least down South you can still find people without a drop of Yankee blood in them.


THey were Saxons before that. Once Norman and Saxon culture mixed you got English culture
 
2012-10-15 11:16:49 AM
ah, the Battle of Hastings. i was there, man. it was hardcore.

hastings is HQed in amarillo, tx. in the day they had 2 stores there. when someone firebombed the lesser of the two, using the night video drop, that was awesome.

and they deserve anything they got.

in the Great Whitehats vs. Punks battle of Amarillo, the noble Brian Deneke (seriously, google him. it's fascinating) was felled by an alpha Whitehat. John Marmaduke, the King of Hastings, funded the Whitehat's defense, and the murderer got an amazingly light sentence for the incredibly brutal hate crime he committed.

soon after, Hastings clerks were known to be giving away huge moneys of free merchandise to anyone sympathetic to the cause. walk thru a register with $200 in CDs and a $1 candy bar, and that purchase cost you $1. 'cause fark John Marmaduke.

ah, the Battle of Hastings...

s19.postimage.org
 
2012-10-15 11:21:34 AM

Silverstaff: I am actually a descendant of William the Conqueror. Found that out while doing geneological research back in high school.

Turns out he's my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather. (That is 34 Greats).


He wasn't that great
 
2012-10-15 11:27:26 AM
Rain makes things pretty dangerous.

You wouldn't want anyone to put an eye out.
 
2012-10-15 11:30:35 AM

Rusty Shackleford: Rain makes things pretty dangerous.

You wouldn't want anyone to put an eye out.


You can't tell me what to do. It's like you don't even know me.
 
2012-10-15 11:31:55 AM

Silverstaff: I am actually a descendant of William the Conqueror. Found that out while doing geneological research back in high school.

Turns out he's my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather. (That is 34 Greats).


If you go back 11 generations pretty much everyone is related to everyone. If you have to go back 34 generations to find a famous relative then your family is not as good as the average...
 
2012-10-15 11:34:05 AM
Also, does anyone else know what sort of wood the shields were made out of? (I know the guy that probably made the shields in the image in TFA, the round ones anyway)
 
2012-10-15 11:43:41 AM

dready zim: Also, does anyone else know what sort of wood the shields were made out of? (I know the guy that probably made the shields in the image in TFA, the round ones anyway)


Dead?
 
2012-10-15 11:49:39 AM

Gyrth: If Harold had won the Battle of Hastings then most likely there wouldn't have been the need for the Magna Carta. In Anglo-Saxon society women had basic rights, even the right to divorce if their man could not satisfy them - true. The Normans were horrible caretakers of England.


"What ifs?" love them... :-)

No Norman conquest of England -> no Norman invasions of Ireland, Scotland, Wales.

The Normans instead turn south in search of conquest, systematically dismantling the Byzantine Empire. By 1185 they besiege and take Constantinople and establish a state there--Bohemond I is crowned Emperor. The resulting Norman Dynasty ruled the Empire until 1918, and combined the administrative machinery of the Byzantines, and Arabs with their own conceptions of feudal law and order to forge a unique government. Under this state, there was great religious freedom, and alongside the Norman nobles existed a meritocratic bureaucracy of Jews, Muslims, and Christians. The Normans reexpands the Empire eastward, taking Anatolia and expanding to the borders of Armenia, later turning south to take with is now Syria, Lebanon, and Cyprus. It was from Cyprus that many of the later Crusades were launched into the Holy Land by western European nobles, and the Norman Byzantine rulers managed to successfully steer these nobles toward Arab conquest and away from their own lands. In the west, they were able to strengthen the hold of the Empire on the Balkans. It was however in their wars with the Ottoman Turks (early 1300s to mid-1400s that the Normans had their finest hour, successfully turning back the Otttomans through a series of brutal wars, culminating the victory of Robert VIII over Murad II in 1444 at the Battle of Alexandretta.

And so on... ;-)
 
2012-10-15 11:52:44 AM

HenryFnord: dready zim: Also, does anyone else know what sort of wood the shields were made out of? (I know the guy that probably made the shields in the image in TFA, the round ones anyway)

Dead?


Possibly not (but most likely). Using greenwood then allowing it to dry in place can form joints which naturally stay in place without glue.

It`s plywood. When I saw the guy making the shields I said "Why are you using modern plywood, isn`t that all modern and cheating?" and was told that plywood has been in use for over 2000 years and used for shields for well over 1000 years...

check out the date for `first use of plywood`
 
2012-10-15 11:53:02 AM

Hack Patooey: [c-geek-story-b]

I was lucky enough to get ticket #1066 from our bug tracking system. I, of course, close the ticket with "Like William before me, 1066 passes into the history books as a victorious battle".

nobody got it.

:(

[/c-geek-story-b]


When I was at my last contract I was issued badge 24601.

I was very very sad that not a SINGLE person in their HR department understood why I thought that was hilarious.
 
2012-10-15 11:54:00 AM

hdhale: And so on... ;-)


until the highly contentious start of the universe.

/obscure?
 
2012-10-15 11:58:02 AM
Do you think the original fighters would have let a little water stop them?
Come on Briton, time to put the big boy pants on.
 
2012-10-15 12:03:19 PM
I actually just wrote a Graphic Novel depicting the Bayeux Tapestry.

Here's Harold's death:

i1197.photobucket.com

Illustrated by Gerry Kissell
 
2012-10-15 12:04:29 PM

dready zim: Silverstaff: I am actually a descendant of William the Conqueror. Found that out while doing geneological research back in high school.

Turns out he's my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather. (That is 34 Greats).

If you go back 11 generations pretty much everyone is related to everyone. If you have to go back 34 generations to find a famous relative then your family is not as good as the average...


Oh, I've got famous relatives closer in. Off the top of my head, I'm descended from 2 signers of the Declaration of Independence (Charles Carroll and Stephen Hopkins), and in the direct male line every member of my family (myself included) has served in the US military in some point in their life in every generation since the Revolution, but that wasn't relevant to a discussion about the Battle of Hastings. Many, many people are probably descended from him, I could actually trace the lineage.
 
2012-10-15 12:05:24 PM

Elroydb: I would have been King of England just like you until I took an an arrow to the eye


Well, that's what you get for breaking a double-dog oath of fealty while touching two holy reliquaries.

Did you actually expect Billy boy to just roll over like some kinda bastard or something?
 
2012-10-15 12:14:21 PM
dready zim : Also, does anyone else know what sort of wood the shields were made out of? (I know the guy that probably made the shields in the image in TFA, the round ones anyway)

A couple of people I know got seriously into the SCA, (Society for Creative Anachronism), the group that dresses up like medieval times and have mock swordfights. Since I am handy at building things and have a lot of tools they asked me to help build them. There are two kinds of shields, the shields that they draw fancy artwork on for show and the shields that they use for the mock swordfights. The artwork shields are plywood covered with bondo, then the artwork is done on them and then they get sealed with clear. The first fighting shields I made were also plywood, but covered with sheets of aluminum. But as they got more serious about it, we switched to two inch thick solid oak, made from old table tops that people threw away at the land fill. Those suckers weighed close to 70 pounds and only very large people could use them, but a big part of the mock swordfights is the smacking of the shields and these shields gave them a decided edge.
 
2012-10-15 01:09:36 PM

seelorq: Elroydb: I would have been King of England just like you until I took an an arrow to the eye

Well, that's what you get for breaking a double-dog oath of fealty while touching two holy reliquaries.

Did you actually expect Billy boy to just roll over like some kinda bastard or something?


Are Skyrim jokes no longer apropos? :( I know its getting on in age now...

This story of England in 1066 is a great lesson as to why if you're going to have bastard children you "take care" of them before they can produce a male heir. Somewhere along the line its gonna be nothing but trouble

Though from what I understand of Hastings despite having worn out and injured army from defeating Harald of Norway and racing across England, Godwinson's postion on the battlefield gave him a strong chance at victory if the two sides actually engaged
 
2012-10-15 01:18:29 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: You know who else canceled historical reenactments?

/Godwinsoned


His ardor for a reenactment was his main problem.
 
2012-10-15 01:28:13 PM
 
2012-10-15 02:00:10 PM
He doesn't look so tough to me...

upload.wikimedia.org

/ITG
 
2012-10-15 02:00:14 PM

FriarReb98: Cythraul: cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers

And yet, civil war re-enactments are very popular in the South.

Well... At this point, just think of how mixed the blood of the Britons and Normans must be, after 946 years. It'd be impossible to find a purely British person, I'd imagine.

At least down South you can still find people without a drop of Yankee blood in them.


But finding someone without some Negro blood must be purt-near impossible.
 
2012-10-15 02:02:38 PM
In the old days, whenever an upper-class belle was delivered of a somewhat dusky child, the standard line was "Didn't her great-grandfather marry that Cherokee/Spanish/Sicilian girl?"
 
2012-10-15 02:19:21 PM

cgraves67: cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers

It's so far in the past that both sides are their ancestors now. 300 years before that, it was Danish Vikings settling in on the East side of the island, or just leaving their genes in a few Saxon women. The "English" are mutts, if a WASP is being racist, you have a free pass to laugh in his or her face.

/Anglo-American, so even more muttish than regular Anglo Saxons


Meh, they're "mutts" of similar races they'd consider superior to the ones to which they are being racist.

Hey, WASP, why are you acting so superior, you're descended from Norse, Saxons, and Danes!! LOL!!
 
2012-10-15 02:21:28 PM

Elroydb: seelorq: Elroydb: I would have been King of England just like you until I took an an arrow to the eye

Well, that's what you get for breaking a double-dog oath of fealty while touching two holy reliquaries.

Did you actually expect Billy boy to just roll over like some kinda bastard or something?

Are Skyrim jokes no longer apropos? :( I know its getting on in age now...

This story of England in 1066 is a great lesson as to why if you're going to have bastard children you "take care" of them before they can produce a male heir. Somewhere along the line its gonna be nothing but trouble

Though from what I understand of Hastings despite having worn out and injured army from defeating Harald of Norway and racing across England, Godwinson's postion on the battlefield gave him a strong chance at victory if the two sides actually engaged


Godwinson's position was already compromised merely by being on the battlefield at Hastings. He was given good advice to slow his ass down and rest his army a bit and receive further reinforcements before continuing south but didn't take it--in some respects he was the Custer of his time.
 
2012-10-15 02:46:50 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: cgraves67: cman: One would think that these folk would not be celebrating the conquest of their forefathers

It's so far in the past that both sides are their ancestors now. 300 years before that, it was Danish Vikings settling in on the East side of the island, or just leaving their genes in a few Saxon women. The "English" are mutts, if a WASP is being racist, you have a free pass to laugh in his or her face.

/Anglo-American, so even more muttish than regular Anglo Saxons

Meh, they're "mutts" of similar races they'd consider superior to the ones to which they are being racist.

Hey, WASP, why are you acting so superior, you're descended from Norse, Saxons, and Danes!! LOL!!


Not to mention Celts, Romans, and every variety of Roman mercenary and slave that they brought to that island, and the Franks and Lombards that Willy the Bastard imported. England is a regular medley of European and Mediterranian tribes.

If you're insinuating that every such group on earth is of a similar heritage, you are correct. You can dredge up enough history on any group to discover their motley anscestry. It's why racism and ethnic discrimination is so ridiculous. Every group has been conquered, been enslaved, emigrated, merged with, raped, been raped by uncounted numbers of ohers in the long history of humanity. No one is pure anything.
 
2012-10-15 04:10:01 PM

StarFyre: My Ancestor was the original King of England who was defeated at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 ;- ))


Your ancestor? Singular?

Wow, these royals are more inbred than I thought.
 
2012-10-15 06:14:10 PM
Therion: A quick change of clothes and they could have done Agincourt.

Done in 1
 
2012-10-15 10:38:05 PM
France,er____Britain Surrenders. Mon Dieu.
 
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