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2012-10-14 10:14:56 PM  
A three hour flight on Concorde was short enough; there's no need to go for hypersonic flight quite yet. There were other advantages, like turning up in an empty Heathrow because you'd beaten all the morning flights across the Atlantic.
Why did Concorde fail? Politics. Some dirty tricks from Boeing and their friends in Washington. By now, we should be on Concorde iteration 3 or 4, with improved engines and airframe, at First or even Business Class prices, with the new hypersonic liners aimed at the old Concorde market.
I flew on Concorde back in the nineties. Great way to travel.
 
2012-10-14 10:30:19 PM  

chaddsfarkprefect: How much actual time would we save "gate-to gate?"


You'd still have to dial all the chevrons correctly. What are we talking about again?
 
2012-10-14 11:02:28 PM  

Tillmaster: Why did Concorde fail? Politics. Some dirty tricks from Boeing and their friends in Washington.


Dude, I put almost nothing beneath Boeing (and, to be fair, the only thing I put beneath my own company is being as good as manipulating the system as Boeing) but, no way in hell. The SST was killed int he US but Boeing has not so much sway in Europe, who did it, realized it was prohibitely expensive, and didn't try again. And Europe would have loved to have continued their one-up on the USA if it was even a pipe dream for it to be commerically solvent.
 
2012-10-14 11:30:13 PM  
The Concord failed because not enough people were willing to pay the much higher cost for the quicker flight. I predict this plane will have the same problem.
 
2012-10-14 11:44:13 PM  

aerojockey: Dude, I put almost nothing beneath Boeing (and, to be fair, the only thing I put beneath my own company is being as good as manipulating the system as Boeing) but, no way in hell. The SST was killed int he US but Boeing has not so much sway in Europe, who did it, realized it was prohibitely expensive, and didn't try again. And Europe would have loved to have continued their one-up on the USA if it was even a pipe dream for it to be commerically solvent.


Boeing helped kill the LAX->anywhere flights which were required to make it work finically and even then it probably wouldn't have broke even.
 
2012-10-15 12:12:29 AM  

werty789: The Concord failed because not enough people were willing to pay the much higher cost for the quicker flight. I predict this plane will have the same problem.


I thought that the aircraft were becoming to expensive to maintain.
 
2012-10-15 12:39:36 AM  

Harry_Seldon: werty789: The Concord failed because not enough people were willing to pay the much higher cost for the quicker flight. I predict this plane will have the same problem.

I thought that the aircraft were becoming to expensive to maintain.


That too...
And the fuel. And the only routes they could fly were mostly coastal cities to costal cities.
A concord cost about $650,000 to fill up at todays prices -- for a plane that only holds 100 passengers. A typical flight cost is about 1/3 fuel, 1/3 aircraft and 1/3 just running the airline. At the costs of the flight, it starts to get in the realm of private what a private jet costs.
 
2012-10-15 12:44:50 AM  
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-15 01:00:14 AM  

moothemagiccow: belhade: This can get you from NY to Afghanistan in a few minutes...

[www.lonelyreviewer.com image 450x300]

LA to Afghanistan


Yeah, my bad, I forgot that was set in LA.
 
2012-10-15 03:35:15 AM  

werty789: The Concord failed because not enough people were willing to pay the much higher cost for the quicker flight. I predict this plane will have the same problem.


www.concordesst.com

Also, rich people don't like to die horribly. Then 9/11 happened, which as we know did no favors to the airline industry.
 
2012-10-15 07:52:55 AM  

bbfreak: werty789: The Concord failed because not enough people were willing to pay the much higher cost for the quicker flight. I predict this plane will have the same problem.

[www.concordesst.com image 450x290]

Also, rich people don't like to die horribly. Then 9/11 happened, which as we know did no favors to the airline industry.


Yup. The concorde failed because the French blew it up, and despite the fact that it was the first major disaster for this class of aircraft compared to most other classes of boeing, airbus, cessna etc that have had numerous major disasters, nobody wanted to fly on them again for being unsafe. Because of the French. Probably left frog legs in the engine or somethin'.

/probably
 
2012-10-15 09:03:58 AM  
It's a pulse engine. I've made a crude one before in a buddy's garage in college. Theirs... pretty spiffy.

The problem really is that while yes, they CAN get the craft to go 6100 mph, the size of it must remain small to prevent the sheer drag from ripping the paneling off. Which is to say, commuter planes? Not quite there yet.
 
2012-10-15 12:26:04 PM  
Pfttt, make something that flys interplanetary then I'll be interested.
 
2012-10-15 09:40:44 PM  

soundguy: We already have the tech to send someone across the pond in about 10 minutes, but they'd be a mass of pink goo when they arrived. Flinging highly trained and conditioned fighter pilots thru the air at several times the speed of sound is one thing, but you simply can't stuff grandma into a ballistic missile, subject her to 2-3 figure g-force, and still expect to be in business the next day. The whole concept is just a sci-fi pipe-dream that writers trot out every few years to sell newspapers and magazines.

In all honestly, nobody would give a shiat about how long it took to get somewhere if they'd get rid of the unions and enforce some reasonable age, weight, and surly-attitude limits on the sky waitresses, combined with a separate soundproof compartment to hold children, drunks, and general assholes. Hell, if I was getting steak and blowjobs from supermodels the whole trip, I wouldn't care if it took a week to go a hundred miles.


While we would like to offer supermodels for our cross country flights, they are simply too expensive. So what we have done is install a series of glory holes...
 
2012-10-16 08:45:01 AM  

yeomanfarmer: soundguy: We already have the tech to send someone across the pond in about 10 minutes, but they'd be a mass of pink goo when they arrived. Flinging highly trained and conditioned fighter pilots thru the air at several times the speed of sound is one thing, but you simply can't stuff grandma into a ballistic missile, subject her to 2-3 figure g-force, and still expect to be in business the next day. The whole concept is just a sci-fi pipe-dream that writers trot out every few years to sell newspapers and magazines.

In all honestly, nobody would give a shiat about how long it took to get somewhere if they'd get rid of the unions and enforce some reasonable age, weight, and surly-attitude limits on the sky waitresses, combined with a separate soundproof compartment to hold children, drunks, and general assholes. Hell, if I was getting steak and blowjobs from supermodels the whole trip, I wouldn't care if it took a week to go a hundred miles.

While we would like to offer supermodels for our cross country flights, they are simply too expensive. So what we have done is install a series of glory holes...


First class patrons actually get females behind the glory holes.
 
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