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2012-10-14 04:21:05 PM
They shouldn't bother checking cats.

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2012-10-14 05:09:51 PM
Dogshaming.

Go here. You will not regret it.
 
2012-10-14 05:54:56 PM
Anything I blame my dogs for, I've got a real good chance of striking guilt.
 
2012-10-14 06:40:46 PM
Dogs, absolutely. Cats - "what is this 'guilt' of which you speak?"
 
2012-10-14 06:46:35 PM
I've seen and documented it in guinea pigs. It happens. Break ups and makeups (after acts of contrition) as well. Complex social interactions in animal groups is pretty obvious sometimes
 
2012-10-14 06:52:22 PM
When I was 7, my mom's dog bit me by accident, and slunk around for days afterwards with had to be the guiltiest expression I've ever seen.
/DRTA
 
2012-10-14 07:08:43 PM
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2012-10-14 07:16:26 PM
your dog listens to Muse

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2012-10-14 07:26:13 PM

Nogale: Dogs, absolutely. Cats - "what is this 'guilt' of which you speak?"


Pretty much. Cats will do something crazy, evil or weird (or all three) and then go back to silently plotting your murder (which is what I believe cats spend most of their time doing; consider humanity lucky that cats don't have thumbs).
 
2012-10-14 07:27:57 PM

Chariset: Dogshaming.

Go here. You will not regret it.


"I ate my Mom's tampon and then made her pull it out of my butt when I couldn't poop it out."

"Mom" could use some shaming herself.
 
2012-10-14 07:29:01 PM

Chariset: Dogshaming.

Go here. You will not regret it.


*snerk* BWAHAHAHA

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2012-10-14 07:38:29 PM
Are you kidding? I have one of those herding dogs that creeps along the ground. She's so farking guilty about something all the time, she spends half her time crawling around on her belly.
 
2012-10-14 07:41:15 PM
Are there no scientist pet owners?
 
2012-10-14 07:43:50 PM
Sure, for exactly 30 seconds.
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2012-10-14 07:54:30 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Nogale: Dogs, absolutely. Cats - "what is this 'guilt' of which you speak?"

Pretty much. Cats will do something crazy, evil or weird (or all three) and then go back to silently plotting your murder (which is what I believe cats spend most of their time doing; consider humanity lucky that cats don't have thumbs).


Well, cats were fundamental to building civilization - but they aren't like dogs. If you pick up an abandoned puppy, and raise him, feed him, and love him, he will conclude that you are a god.
Do the same thing for a kitten, and he will conclude that he is a god.
 
2012-10-14 08:25:38 PM
So do I, Dog. So do it.

/One more month.
 
2012-10-14 08:26:37 PM
Denver sure does
 
2012-10-14 09:02:40 PM
Guilt is a fundamental part of empathy. There can't really be any doubt that dogs empathize with one another and with members of their social group. Ergo, they feel guilt when committing acts they would not like reciprocated.
 
2012-10-14 09:03:22 PM
Anyone that's had a pet, knows they have their feelings, including guilt.

It fluxes for each, just like any human.
 
2012-10-14 10:04:19 PM

jso2897: Dwight_Yeast: Nogale: Dogs, absolutely. Cats - "what is this 'guilt' of which you speak?"

Pretty much. Cats will do something crazy, evil or weird (or all three) and then go back to silently plotting your murder (which is what I believe cats spend most of their time doing; consider humanity lucky that cats don't have thumbs).

Well, cats were fundamental to building civilization - but they aren't like dogs. If you pick up an abandoned puppy, and raise him, feed him, and love him, he will conclude that you are a god.
Do the same thing for a kitten, and he will conclude that he is a god.


Not true. Our cats know when they misbehave: they slink with their tails down when they are caught doing something they shouldn't.
 
2012-10-14 10:15:53 PM
Dogs have guilt, teens not so much.
 
2012-10-14 10:31:37 PM

Chariset: Dogshaming.

Go here. You will not regret it.


OMG! Thank you!!!
 
2012-10-14 10:47:25 PM

BorgiaGinz: Not true. Our cats know when they misbehave: they slink with their tails down when they are caught doing something they shouldn't.


The cat is just sorry that it got caught doing something that it knows that you didn't want it to do. Felling guilt means that they are sorry that they did it, something cats don't usually do.
 
2012-10-14 11:02:51 PM

Radioactive Ass: BorgiaGinz: Not true. Our cats know when they misbehave: they slink with their tails down when they are caught doing something they shouldn't.

The cat is just sorry that it got caught doing something that it knows that you didn't want it to do. Felling guilt means that they are sorry that they did it, something cats don't usually do.


Are humans any different?
 
2012-10-14 11:10:26 PM
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Heck, I wasn't even mad!
 
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2012-10-14 11:20:38 PM
So...this study proves nothing.
 
2012-10-14 11:22:11 PM
My Dog is smart

Jon iz teh kewl: your dog listens to Muse

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My dog is smart, he wants their best album. If my dog wanted The Resistance I'd be concerned.
 
2012-10-14 11:22:45 PM
Nice headline, subby.

I laughed.

Out loud.
 
2012-10-14 11:25:54 PM

Fabric_Man: Are humans any different?


A human is more likely to feel guilt than a cat would in my opinion. Cats tend to be very self centered while dogs (and humans) are more likely to show empathy towards others. Guilt is simply a way of showing that empathy.
 
2012-10-14 11:40:57 PM

Chariset: Dogshaming.

Go here. You will not regret it.


Absolutely LOVE that site.
 
2012-10-14 11:46:54 PM
On this very topic I wrote about my own lug of love, Simba (an 80 pound St. Bernard/Yellow Lab mix), just over a year ago. I pulled this from FB.

I call this "When a Dog is Like a Toddler":

So I just walked in the door after a long day of doing inventory at work and outdoor activities sandwiched in between them, and Simba isn't waiting for me at the door when I walk in-as I usually expect. He's 5 feet away, and giving me a look of "Oh!?! You're home!! Ummmm.... Hi! Wasn't expecting you!"
He stares at me in anticipation for a few moments until I tell him to come to me and say "Hi" (we have a ritual where he sits and shakes my hand and gives me a kiss). While I'm petting him he's smacking his lips like he just ran over from his bowl, and I'm wondering what he's been up to. After I give him my greeting pets, I walk over to where he was standing and discover a cracker package torn open and devoured on the floor. Simba starts to walk away sloooowly down the hallway but I stop him and tell him in a stern voice "Simba!! BAD BOY. You come here, NOW!" He saunters over slowly, head bowed in shame, owning up to his obvious shenanigans and I tell him to go to his kennel for punishment. He growled low at me a tiny bit and barked once when I locked him in there, but he knows what he's in there for. Damn dog, so stupid and so damn smart at the same time!!
 
2012-10-15 12:46:00 AM
i love my dog.
 
2012-10-15 12:47:28 AM
My dog today while playing tug of war accidentally missed the rope and bit my hand. He immediately stopped playing and gave me a look of regret. Dogs definitely are capable of guilt.
 
2012-10-15 12:57:12 AM
jso2897:

If you pick up an abandoned puppy, and raise him, feed him, and love him, he will conclude that you are a god.
Do the same thing for a kitten, and he will conclude that he is a god.


That's what's wrong with my dog: he's a cat born into the wrong damn body.

On the other hand your description of dogs fits the ex's cat pretty well. But only for her: for me he's like "Oh it's you. When is She coming home?"
 
2012-10-15 01:03:51 AM

rogue49: Anyone that's had a pet, knows they have their feelings, including guilt.

It fluxes for each, just like any human.


THIS. The Dog Whisperer and others say that dogs only live in the present and can't understand you being mad about something they did earlier. WRONG!

Come see my guy hide when I come home and see that he got into the kitchen trash can. He hides and shakes like a leaf even before I say a word.

Both dogs will CRY and sulk when I yell at them, and they do know what behavior they're in trouble for.
 
2012-10-15 01:06:32 AM

Evenbiggerknickers: [static.someecards.com image 420x294]

Heck, I wasn't even mad!


If something that sized ate a whole wheel of cheese you'll never have to worry about it pooping again.
 
2012-10-15 01:17:31 AM
Yes. If my cat jumps up on the bed in the morning and gets all lovey-dovey with us then we know he has thrown up on something during the night, most likely on a piece of furniture.

On a normal morning I have to fight him to get out of my chair so I can start work.
 
2012-10-15 01:46:41 AM
Came home this afternoon to find one of our dogs got ahold of a tube of superglue, chewed off the cap, then somehow managed to glue a stuffed squeaky spider to her neck. She sure looked guilty to me.

/she's fine
//just has a bare spot on her neck
 
2012-10-15 02:39:16 AM

netringer: rogue49: Anyone that's had a pet, knows they have their feelings, including guilt.

It fluxes for each, just like any human.

THIS. The Dog Whisperer and others say that dogs only live in the present and can't understand you being mad about something they did earlier. WRONG!

Come see my guy hide when I come home and see that he got into the kitchen trash can. He hides and shakes like a leaf even before I say a word.

Both dogs will CRY and sulk when I yell at them, and they do know what behavior they're in trouble for.


You misunderstand guilt for their desire to retain pack membership. Pack membership = life.
 
2012-10-15 06:36:04 AM

Chariset: Dogshaming.

Go here. You will not regret it.


Whenever this guy goes up for adoption, I'm there:

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2012-10-15 07:28:23 AM

The One True TheDavid: jso2897:

If you pick up an abandoned puppy, and raise him, feed him, and love him, he will conclude that you are a god.
Do the same thing for a kitten, and he will conclude that he is a god.

That's what's wrong with my dog: he's a cat born into the wrong damn body.

On the other hand your description of dogs fits the ex's cat pretty well. But only for her: for me he's like "Oh it's you. When is She coming home?"


It's a generalization, and flawed, as such. Animals display unique individual character, just like people do.
And it's not that our cats don't care when they upset us. They are our friends, and they are fond of us. It distresses them when we get mad at them. They just don't take any responsibility in the matter.
 
2012-10-15 09:15:57 AM
Oh dog shaming dot com.
 
2012-10-15 01:41:01 PM

jso2897: It's a generalization, and flawed, as such. Animals display unique individual character, just like people do.


Our old dog would get very, very guilty about things she did wrong, even minor things that we didn't care about. The once younger and now only dog, however, has absolutely no sense of shame whatsoever. The contrast was really notable when they did something bad together- one would greet you at the door looking incredibly guilty, and the other would just be bouncing around, happy as ever. She's a sweet dog in most ways, but guilt is not in her repertoire.

The cat has absolutely no conception of the emotion either, but she doesn't do much to feel guilty about.
 
2012-10-15 01:53:02 PM
FTFA - "In the end, we can't know what goes on in an animal's mind."

So, in the end, this experiment was a complete waste of time. More time was then wasted to write up a story about it, and still more time was wasted by readers reading said story.
 
2012-10-15 02:18:08 PM
Yes, i think they do.... If my dog goes in the garbage can and makes a big mess, he'll slurk about the moment i walk in the door, well before i show any anger.
 
2012-10-15 02:44:54 PM
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Cats are also bad, though they might not care about being shamed.
 
2012-10-15 03:17:12 PM

simplicimus: netringer:

Both dogs will CRY and sulk when I yell at them, and they do know what behavior they're in trouble for.

You misunderstand guilt for their desire to retain pack membership. Pack membership = life.


How is that different from guilt among humans? For us guilt indicates the threat of separation from the "pack," and penitence reinforces the threatened bond. "Oh please forgive, please don't throw me out!"

Would you like living all by yourself in the middle of Death Valley?
 
2012-10-15 03:20:33 PM
jso2897:

And it's not that our cats don't care when they upset us. They are our friends, and they are fond of us. It distresses them when we get mad at them. They just don't take any responsibility in the matter.

So they'd say we should stop choosing to be upset? Especially when there are more important things to do, like skritch them just so. I get it.
 
2012-10-15 04:22:47 PM

uttertosh: Denver sure does


I howled with laughter the first time I saw that video.
 
2012-10-15 04:31:44 PM

The One True TheDavid: simplicimus: netringer:

Both dogs will CRY and sulk when I yell at them, and they do know what behavior they're in trouble for.

You misunderstand guilt for their desire to retain pack membership. Pack membership = life.

How is that different from guilt among humans? For us guilt indicates the threat of separation from the "pack," and penitence reinforces the threatened bond. "Oh please forgive, please don't throw me out!"

Would you like living all by yourself in the middle of Death Valley?


I carry a lot of guilt around, and none of it affects my pack membership.
 
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