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(io9)   Where are the Dwarf women at? Only 19% of the 'Lord of the Rings' characters are female   (io9.com) divider line 117
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2012-10-15 02:32:04 PM

taurusowner: VonEvilstein: what else could this refer to other than the first of the Ainur to have netered Arda at the very beginning of time?

The SIlmarillion states that Melkor was the first of the Ainur to enter Varda long before anyone else. That's one of the reasons why Bombadil's story is confusing. It doesn't fit with any of the other established history.


Guess I need to reread, don't I. First of the Maiar, perhaps?
Otherwise first of what?
I need answers, dammit.
 
2012-10-15 02:47:50 PM
How many females are in the Hobbit book? Less than 19%, I'd wager.
 
2012-10-15 04:37:59 PM

Benucio: How many females are in the Hobbit book? Less than 19%, I'd wager.


You know, I'm having trouble thinking of a single female character in the whole book. Seriously, I'm pretty familiar with it and I can't think of one female character who actually has a speaking role AT ALL. That had never occurred to me before, and it's a pretty strange realization.

Bilbo, a dozen male dwarves (assuming we're not subscribing to any Pratchett-based assumptions that some of them are secretly female), and Gandalf (an angel disguised as a elderly male human, essentially) goes... let's see here. From the Shire, which gets a lot of description but many characters on-screen, across the country to Rivendell, meeting a couple of male trolls along the way. The only person who gets a speaking role in Rivendell is Elrond, and he's a dude. There are a handful of elves who sing at them, though their gender isn't specified. From Rivendell they go to the mountains, and then into the orc-infested caves under the mountains. They meet various male orcs and Gollum. From there they meet a group of evil wolves - I'm pretty sure the alpha wolf that actually talks is male. They get rescued by eagles, one or two of which might be female, though nobody would know. The leader is specifically male (he's a king). From there they get dropped off to Beorn's house. Then they head into Mirkwood, there meeting more all-male elves and a group of talking spiders. There's a brief stop at a small riverside town, as I recall, then from there to Laketown, and there's characterization of the wealth-loving mayor and Bard, the dour captain of the guard. From there they go to the Lonely Mountain, where they meet Smaug and a pair of talking ravens, all male creatures. Then there's the Battle of Five Armies, which adds more all-male dwarves, in addition to revisiting a number of characters who have already showed up.

Am I missing something? Is there seriously not a single line of dialogue from a female in the whole book?
 
2012-10-15 04:53:01 PM

VonEvilstein: taurusowner: VonEvilstein: what else could this refer to other than the first of the Ainur to have netered Arda at the very beginning of time?

The SIlmarillion states that Melkor was the first of the Ainur to enter Varda long before anyone else. That's one of the reasons why Bombadil's story is confusing. It doesn't fit with any of the other established history.

Guess I need to reread, don't I. First of the Maiar, perhaps?
Otherwise first of what?
I need answers, dammit.


Seems the next logical step is to posit that he is Iluvitar himself.
 
2012-10-15 05:34:10 PM

TheMysticS: Strix occidentalis: The ladies we do get are badass enough to compensate somewhat for their rarity.

/Luthien Tinúviel, anyone?

Luthien and Galadriel are the baddest of the bad-asses.
On the side of good.

Luthien's story may be my fave out of all of the stories.
I also enjoyed the bible's Ruth.


Bible Ruth is pretty awesome, but there's also Jael who nailed a guy through the head and into the floor with a tent peg. Also in the Apocrypha is Judith. Judith get's all dolled up & goes to meet the enemy general. She gets him drunk & cuts off his head.
 
2012-10-15 06:04:36 PM
Submarine movies are the ultimate form of masculine cinema.
You have a bunch of chain smoking guys called seamen, sitting in long phallic death tube, deep in a wet abyss that could kill them at any moment, silently searching for an enemy so that they can shove tethered death penises into them from long range while remaining undetected.

And the ultimate sign that its for men and not women? the submarine culture is known as the 'silent service'.
 
2012-10-15 06:08:50 PM

SteelDraco: Benucio: How many females are in the Hobbit book? Less than 19%, I'd wager.

You know, I'm having trouble thinking of a single female character in the whole book. Seriously, I'm pretty familiar with it and I can't think of one female character who actually has a speaking role AT ALL. That had never occurred to me before, and it's a pretty strange realization.


Lobelia Sackville-Baggins, Bilbo's evil cousin who tries to take Bag-End while he's thought dead.
 
2012-10-15 07:05:06 PM

SteelDraco: Am I missing something?


If you realize the guy was a mysogonist (a real one) then you've missed nothing.
 
2012-10-15 07:16:51 PM

RatMaster999: SteelDraco: Benucio: How many females are in the Hobbit book? Less than 19%, I'd wager.

You know, I'm having trouble thinking of a single female character in the whole book. Seriously, I'm pretty familiar with it and I can't think of one female character who actually has a speaking role AT ALL. That had never occurred to me before, and it's a pretty strange realization.

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins, Bilbo's evil cousin who tries to take Bag-End while he's thought dead.


Huh, I didn't remember them in the Hobbit. i thought they showed up in Fellowship (at the beginning and the end).
 
2012-10-15 07:34:18 PM

miniflea: VonEvilstein: taurusowner: VonEvilstein: what else could this refer to other than the first of the Ainur to have netered Arda at the very beginning of time?

The SIlmarillion states that Melkor was the first of the Ainur to enter Varda long before anyone else. That's one of the reasons why Bombadil's story is confusing. It doesn't fit with any of the other established history.

Guess I need to reread, don't I. First of the Maiar, perhaps?
Otherwise first of what?
I need answers, dammit.

Seems the next logical step is to posit that he is Iluvitar himself.


Perhaps. But the stuff about his power being limited outside his land, him eventually falling to Sauron, last as he was first, etc would cast doubt on that. Illuvatar seldom interfered with Arda itself, and left it up to the Ainur to sort things out.
 
2012-10-15 08:15:57 PM

SteelDraco: Am I missing something? Is there seriously not a single line of dialogue from a female in the whole book?


I don't think you're missing anything. Good news though, looks like Peter Jackson and crew found a good way to fill in the blanks...
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2012-10-15 09:34:24 PM
Look... Some people need to shut up.

THIS MOVIE AND BOOK:
cps-static.rovicorp.com

...Had about three men in it. The rest of the cast were females. Nobody said shiat about it, except that it was an amazingly good story.

I could also point to Steel Magnolias, Witches of Eastwick, Sex and the City, and The Descent, some of which came from books, others which were written specifically for the screen--- They had majority female casts, and in many cases the men were made out to be stupid, evil, or expendable, and no Masculinists came out of the woodwork and called the writers on their misandrist leanings.

SOME STORIES ARE ABOUT MEN. SOME STORIES ARE ABOUT WOMEN. GROW THE F♥CK UP AND DEAL WITH IT.
 
2012-10-16 02:48:17 AM
This is even more stupid than those twunts claiming that the movies were racist because the orcs weren't chromatically diverse.
 
2012-10-16 03:28:30 AM
The women characters were limited on purpose so that later on Misty Mundae could balance it out by bringing us "Lord of the G-Strings: The Femaleship of the String"

She played Dildo Saggins. Check it out.
 
2012-10-16 04:12:50 AM

GameSprocket: Ostman: apparently there weren't that many women in Easy Company.

What a great name for an escort service!


Or a piano music compilation album.
 
2012-10-16 11:10:08 AM
a book about warrior-adventurers in a middle ages setting is bound to be mostly about dudes. this is moron nonsense.
 
2012-10-17 07:43:58 AM

acefox1: The women characters were limited on purpose so that later on Misty Mundae could balance it out by bringing us "Lord of the G-Strings: The Femaleship of the String"

She played Dildo Saggins. Check it out.


That must be the lamest movie I've ever seen. And this is coming from a guy who watched Jackson's Bad Taste.
 
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