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(Reuters)   Mind the (enthusiasm) gap: more Democrats than Republicans are voting early   (reuters.com) divider line 54
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2012-10-14 01:45:45 PM  
6 votes:
The Republican way:

biatch early, biatch often, and make up shiat about voter fraud while committing voter registration fraud


Why do Republicans hate democracy?
2012-10-14 01:20:18 PM  
5 votes:

Whiskey Pete: starsrift: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.

I don't understand.

How can you not want this magical budget of a 20% tax cut across the board, a 2 trillion increase in military spending, a maintain of social spending, and elimination of the deficit, all paid for via closing a few tax code loopholes that only detrimentally impact the 1%?

I think it's fantastic.

I'm looking forward to the all-expenses paid trip to Iran! Of course after a dozen years of war Romney will have to reinstate the draft instate "compulsory patriotism" in order to have enough cannon fodder.


the GOP policy of no abortions and no birth control suddenly starts to make a lot more sense....
2012-10-14 01:57:28 PM  
4 votes:

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


So if your boss sends you on a trip to China on election day, you're fine with being disenfranchised or losing your job?
2012-10-14 01:54:11 PM  
4 votes:

blackminded: Weaver95: i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!

This post, coming from you, makes my heart smile.


quit yer grinning and drop yer linen. get down to your local Democratic HQ and volunteer for a shift.
2012-10-14 01:47:06 PM  
4 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: The Republican way:

biatch early, biatch often, and make up shiat about voter fraud while committing voter registration fraud


Why do Republicans hate democracy?


Because they're slaves. They enjoy their slavery, and enjoy that they have people to tell them what to do. They get around it by screeching about 'freedom,' but the perfect Republican is a slave that enjoys being whipped. It's the most politically masochistic party ever.
2012-10-14 01:28:27 PM  
4 votes:
Pretty obvious that democrats are voting early because they think it may be illegal for them to vote next week
2012-10-14 01:46:31 PM  
3 votes:

Mrtraveler01: That and Romney said in Ohio yesterday something along the lines of spending enough money on Defense to the point that no one would test it.

Made me barf when I heard that on the news last night.


i1162.photobucket.com
2012-10-14 01:28:36 PM  
3 votes:

Whiskey Pete: Weaver95: the GOP policy of no abortions and no birth control suddenly starts to make a lot more sense....

I've actually seen posts in the Freepersphere indicating that Iran poses a threat to 'Murica and that "something needs to be done". I often wish I was Canadian.


yeah, every time a Republican starts talking about invading Iran I ask them when they're going to join up and can I give them a lift to the enlistment center....they almost always change the subject at that point.
2012-10-14 01:21:41 PM  
3 votes:
Interestingly, if Obama wins Ohio and Iowa, the two states where he has a big lead in early voting, he'll still win the election even if he loses all the other battleground states.

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2012-10-14 01:17:33 PM  
3 votes:

starsrift: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.

I don't understand.

How can you not want this magical budget of a 20% tax cut across the board, a 2 trillion increase in military spending, a maintain of social spending, and elimination of the deficit, all paid for via closing a few tax code loopholes that only detrimentally impact the 1%?

I think it's fantastic.


I'm looking forward to the all-expenses paid trip to Iran! Of course after a dozen years of war Romney will have to reinstate the draft instate "compulsory patriotism" in order to have enough cannon fodder.
2012-10-14 01:07:43 PM  
3 votes:
i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!
2012-10-14 12:54:24 PM  
3 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way


At least on those days they isn't being lazy and shiftless like those crack smokers usually are. Right, brother?
2012-10-14 04:42:02 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way


4 GOP staffers indicted in "blatant and disgraceful" election fraud
http://politic365.com/2012/08/09/4-republican-staffers-indicted-for-b l atant-and-disgraceful-voter-fraud-in-michigan/

Proven GOP voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convic ted-in-voter-fraud-case.html?_r=1

More GOP fraud. This time in Massachusetts
http://www.wgbhnews.org/post/galvin-calls-voter-fraud-allegations-pre t ty-extreme

GOP voter fraud in Texas
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Fort-Bend-candidate-v o ted-twice-in-same-3937458.php

More suspicious voter forms found in Florida
After reports of irregularities, state GOP fires company hired to register people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49227596/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/# . UGjV_hi7ZGY
2012-10-14 03:32:34 PM  
2 votes:

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


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Not in IA or FL at least. This "secret" doesn't even make logical sense, Ballots for elections contain sections for POTUS, Senators, Representatives, all the way down to local boards of trustees, judge retention and constitutional amendments, sheriff, county ag and water commissions. Those votes have to be counted too and they are often close.
2012-10-14 03:32:02 PM  
2 votes:

SithLord: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?

While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


White conservatism promotes debtors prison and destitution.
2012-10-14 03:14:24 PM  
2 votes:

SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.


Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?
2012-10-14 02:26:54 PM  
2 votes:

Whiskey Pete: Weaver95: Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.

I misunderestimated (sic) their stupidity, I reckon.


Never misunderestimate the stupidity of people who gave us two Bushes, and a 2nd term for the 2nd one. NEVER FORGET THAT shiat!!
2012-10-14 02:15:49 PM  
2 votes:

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Absentee voting is an important part of democracy. I served as an election monitor all day in Detroit in 2004, over two hours away from where I lived. If I hadn't voted absentee, I would have not been able to vote--and you shouldn't have to give up voting to work as a poll monitor. Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.
2012-10-14 02:10:27 PM  
2 votes:

Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.


Man, I should just go back and copypasta what I'm seeing on the ground.

Enthusiastic about Romney - not many, no. Either quick and to the point Romney from people very likely to show up to the polls (middle aged, middle income or up white folks mainly) and people who are Jesus effing Christ scary about their opposition to Obama... the combination of those two + purposeful voter disenfranchisement and disinformation worries me a bit. And I am seeing more Romney signs popping up in the past few weeks so they may be ramping up a bit.

Problem from the folks I speak to is by nature of my employer the more frothing zealous idiots self-eliminate before I poll them (we're non partisan but to the conspiracy minded we're part of the Coalition To Destroy America - even though we poll in part to show that we have a stupidly diverse supporter base, ideologically speaking).

That said, I've seen the Obama enthusiasm slowly uptick even after the debate.

I'm also finally hearing more "well.... don't like either one, but what we're going to lose if Romney is elected worries me" from undecideds. A few weeks ago I was getting more "well... not crazy about either one, but times are tough and Romney is a businessman". Just talking to two undecided people (in a very Republican, but Eisenhower Republican area) on Friday they managed to somehow move from undecided to probably Obama just in talking to me. And I didn't say much.

So that's a plus.

/anecdotal data is anecdotal in my no longer a background state but that shares many similar qualities with populations in Ohio blah blah blah
2012-10-14 01:54:57 PM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.


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2012-10-14 01:51:33 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!


This post, coming from you, makes my heart smile.
2012-10-14 01:50:33 PM  
2 votes:
Lets not start sucking each other's dicks yet. We need a massive turnout on November 6th. I don't like early bragging
/Obama 2012
2012-10-14 01:42:57 PM  
2 votes:
I actually cast my ballot about two weeks ago. Deployed civilians get just as good of voting benefits as deployed soliders!

And if anyone is curious, I ended up voting for Obama over Johnson and Stein.
2012-10-14 01:40:34 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.


Or, inarguably more frightening, they understand another war in the Middle East, especially one that involves Israel, will make the Jeeb come back, whisk all Real Americans to Hebbin', and leave us heathens burning in hell on Earth or what the fark ever.
2012-10-14 01:13:03 PM  
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.


yes but it never hurts to point out just what sort of horrors life under Romney/Ryan would bring to this country.
2012-10-14 01:10:54 PM  
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: This seems to be the biggest question mark over on 538 -- how to factor the contradictory polling data that says Republican voters are more likely to vote, with the reports that Dems are outvoting the Republicans by large margins in early voting.

I think there are two factors: 1. A lot of those votes were sent in before the media over-hype of the first debate, and 2. Obama's GOTV effort crushes Romney's, just as it did McCain's. I read a report a couple of months ago that the Obama Campaign had more than double the field offices in Florida that Romney had.


the GOTV effort from the Obama campaign is VERY motivated. I don't think i've even seen a Romney campaign worker yet.
2012-10-14 12:51:15 PM  
2 votes:
Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way
2012-10-14 12:34:45 PM  
2 votes:
Wow. Now I really wonder why they wanted to quash these votes. I'm stumped. Someone help me out.
2012-10-15 03:07:39 PM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.

I've come to expect a higher level of Maximum Trolling from you. Stop phoning it in.

Don't let me down. Because I hate it when I get attached to a troll only to find out they're simply an asshole.


We need to talk. I have some bad news...
2012-10-14 07:53:51 PM  
1 votes:

cloud_van_dame: Libertarians are Republicans on fiscal policy and Democrats on social policy.

 

The most recent incarnation didn't last long before it was apparently co-opted by far right whack-jobs. Reason was a decent magazine at one time, in a matter of months it turned into Fox Lite.
2012-10-14 07:34:16 PM  
1 votes:

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Those of us working in embassies and consulates abroad would like to invite you to eat a bag of dicks.
2012-10-14 07:19:55 PM  
1 votes:

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans


Libertarians are Republicans on fiscal policy and Democrats on social policy.
You'd think this would be more popular, but it's not.
2012-10-14 05:51:33 PM  
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: If that poor guy in the pic got a royalty for every time we used him he could buy working chromosomes.


Thanks asshole. You made me laugh, and now Im going to hell because of it!
2012-10-14 03:18:53 PM  
1 votes:

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Not all of this early voting is done by mail. Lots is done with machines at the county clerk's office.
2012-10-14 02:58:05 PM  
1 votes:

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mrtraveler01: CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.

The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).

Yes, the Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans. Most outsiders have a hard time seeing what makes Libertarians all that unique. Think about their supposed mouthpiece--Neal Boortz. He had so much Republican dick in his mouth over the past few years that it was hard to understand what he was saying.


If I was running one of the big 3rd parties, the Libertarians or Greens, I'd switch from this "the only time you see us is every 4 years when we put up our presidential candidate" strategy to one where they pick a few deep red and deep blue (respectively) state legislature or House seats and go after them hard.

You wouldn't be directly sabotaging your closest aligned major party, and having more people in positions of power, even if it's not at the higher levels, would do wonders to help the brand of the 3rd parties.
2012-10-14 02:33:08 PM  
1 votes:

CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.


The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).
2012-10-14 02:32:10 PM  
1 votes:
'Likely voters' is a murky field. 'Registered voters' and 'early voters' leave no room for interpretation.
2012-10-14 02:28:43 PM  
1 votes:

Epoch_Zero: Presidential election is now national holiday. Problem solved.


That would certainly help, but I'd still prefer the event be stretched out over ~1 week. Somebody is going to have to work, even on a holiday. And collapsing the whole thing down to one day invites short-term vote-caging efforts because you may not have the time to correct the challenge until it's too late. Knowing that someone turned away from the polls on a technicality can come back in a few days and vote anyway would disrupt the GOP effort to suppress legitimate votes.
2012-10-14 02:18:24 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.


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2012-10-14 02:17:54 PM  
1 votes:
There is this hardcore guns owner, fox news watcher, self proclaimed Republican that told me he is voting for Obama because Mitt doesn't stand for anything. Mitt will say anything to get elected.

/straight up shocked me
//sent him a fruit basket of ammo and an AR-15
2012-10-14 02:13:15 PM  
1 votes:

King Something: You sound like you live in Florida, Wisconsin or Ohio.


If Walker were to step into the street in front of me, I'd have trouble getting myself to put on the brakes.
2012-10-14 02:02:43 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Yes, I do, which is why I pointed out that six of the countries represented on the left bar are members of major defense treaties with America and how they would be insane to attack us regardless of how much money they (or we) spend on defense. Putting them on that chart as showing a risk to us and reasons why we need to spend more money is insanity.


The chart isn't intended to "show a risk to us". It's intended to illustrate the absurd amount of money that we spend on defense compared to other countries. Mittens wants to add another $2 trillion to that.
2012-10-14 01:58:29 PM  
1 votes:

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Fraud on the part of the voter, or on the part of the people who count the votes? Because if it's the latter then I agree. I won't vote early because I don't trust my DERPy republican state-government to not toss all the early votes from my left-leaning county into a giant kiln.
2012-10-14 01:52:43 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.


I don't think the GOP is 'desperate'. Deluded maybe but desperate? nah.
2012-10-14 01:45:59 PM  
1 votes:
i imagine this must be a big blow to the Republicans. Outside of throwing away votes, disenfranchising people, and trying to demoralize Democrats, they had nothing. Funny that Romney's 'big debate win' really means nothing as the Democrats are still turning out in big numbers.

In a way, the Republicans are still dealing from their last big failure, Dubya: he's going to be used as motivation for the next century on the dangers of not voting. That is, unless you want more Republicans acting snide and voting the country into the poorhouse.
2012-10-14 01:44:47 PM  
1 votes:

quatchi: There are more self identified Dems than Reps at this point so more Dems voting early should not come as any big surprise but it's still good to note. In terms of the "enthusiasm gap" I have yet to meet anyone I would describe as an "enthusiastic" Romney supporter yet. Heard a few derpers IRL go on about how much they admired Ryan"s "intellect" though. I just laughed at them until they stopped.


Basically, and I know a good number of tea partiers and self proclaimed "libertarians," and none of them like Romney, but say they will vote for him because they don't like Obama. But the "don't like Obama" meme just doesn't provide much inspiration, and, when it comes down to it, the choice to mow the lawn or to vote for Romney may keep a lot of people at home. There are a good number of folks who don't like Obama, but they aren't necessarily motivated to vote for Romney.
2012-10-14 01:41:31 PM  
1 votes:

King Something:

I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or arlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters


I'm 100% sure you don't know what you're talking about.

Different firms use different methods. Some just ask how likely you think it is you will vote; some ask whether you voted in previous elections. Some use demographics - among your age/race/income group what was the previous Registered to Actual ratio.

Saw a study using '08 polls that compared Likely voter responses to actual turnout. Among people who said 100% certainty they would vote, 87% voted. Among those who put their liklihood at under 50% (ie "probably won't") it was 55%.

RV vs LV should be very narrow this cycle, I think most pollsters are missing that. PPP has a good method by using the same respondents and a larger sample
2012-10-14 01:39:25 PM  
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.


What, are you kidding? They love being on the winning team and getting to beat up on other countries and stuff. It's all justified too because terrorism. Plus, they don't have to sacrifice anything for it, just put it on your kids credit card.

/it also doesn't hurt not thinking through ramifications and that Iran is not Iraq, has four times the people that would be more united in their resistance to occupation and loss of their oil would cause a major energy crisis.
2012-10-14 01:34:07 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: yeah, every time a Republican starts talking about invading Iran I ask them when they're going to join up and can I give them a lift to the enlistment center....they almost always change the subject at that point.


What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.
2012-10-14 01:26:50 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.


I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or arlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters
2012-10-14 01:23:21 PM  
1 votes:
Gee, the political party most closely affiliated with voter fraud and Nazi Germany has an early lead in the polls. I'm shocked. I really am.
2012-10-14 01:10:08 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: This seems to be the biggest question mark over on 538 -- how to factor the contradictory polling data that says Republican voters are more likely to vote, with the reports that Dems are outvoting the Republicans by large margins in early voting.

I think there are two factors: 1. A lot of those votes were sent in before the media over-hype of the first debate, and 2. Obama's GOTV effort crushes Romney's, just as it did McCain's. I read a report a couple of months ago that the Obama Campaign had more than double the field offices in Florida that Romney had.


I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.
2012-10-14 01:07:35 PM  
1 votes:
Freepers: Small sample, skewed cross tabs. Typical 'rat trick polls.
2012-10-14 01:00:46 PM  
1 votes:
This seems to be the biggest question mark over on 538 -- how to factor the contradictory polling data that says Republican voters are more likely to vote, with the reports that Dems are outvoting the Republicans by large margins in early voting.

I think there are two factors: 1. A lot of those votes were sent in before the media over-hype of the first debate, and 2. Obama's GOTV effort crushes Romney's, just as it did McCain's. I read a report a couple of months ago that the Obama Campaign had more than double the field offices in Florida that Romney had.
 
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