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(Reuters)   Mind the (enthusiasm) gap: more Democrats than Republicans are voting early   (reuters.com) divider line 228
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2012-10-14 03:08:00 PM  
Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are
 
2012-10-14 03:10:32 PM  
How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.
 
2012-10-14 03:11:05 PM  

CmndrFish: whizbangthedirtfarmer: quatchi: There are more self identified Dems than Reps at this point so more Dems voting early should not come as any big surprise but it's still good to note. In terms of the "enthusiasm gap" I have yet to meet anyone I would describe as an "enthusiastic" Romney supporter yet. Heard a few derpers IRL go on about how much they admired Ryan"s "intellect" though. I just laughed at them until they stopped.

Basically, and I know a good number of tea partiers and self proclaimed "libertarians," and none of them like Romney, but say they will vote for him because they don't like Obama. But the "don't like Obama" meme just doesn't provide much inspiration, and, when it comes down to it, the choice to mow the lawn or to vote for Romney may keep a lot of people at home. There are a good number of folks who don't like Obama, but they aren't necessarily motivated to vote for Romney.

What's sad about that is that the libertarian voting bloc in this country is actually quite large. If all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote. Sure, they'd never win, but you'd almost have to take them seriously at that point.


The thing is, half of them are just embarrassed Republicans, a quarter of them are misguided hippy stoners (I know lots of those...they're dumb), and the other quarter are MAYBE actual libertarians.
 
2012-10-14 03:11:53 PM  

Serious Black: And I think pointing out that the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Australia, and Canada are all major partners with America shows that our spending is even more out of proportion with the rest of the world since the point of defense spending is ostensibly to keep us safe from danger. Those six countries pose absolutely no danger to us, so trying to match their defense spending is a useless metric.


What sad reasoning is that? Are you implying a difference between 'defense' and 'attack' spending, or that after the number of terrorist attacks the UK suffered they have a tiny fraction of America's riisk? Or let's short cut this and use your numbers. How does the United States' total military spending compare to India's, China's, etc.. Alternately, you can stick to derptisitics and compare its 'defensive spend' to the 'offensive spend' of the 'threats' in North Korea and Iran.
 
2012-10-14 03:13:13 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

...has this been done yet?


Brown shirt is brown.
 
2012-10-14 03:13:19 PM  

AkaDad: keytronic: Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.

Please explain why Dems would want lower turnout?



Umm..math. Lets say that under a normal election day turnout, the early voters count for 25% of all votes cast, and you're leading among early voters by 60% (as the polls suggest).

Now, lets say that Nov 6 has some bad weather, and a greater proportion of voters than usual sit this one out. Your early voting block, (the block that you have a commanding lead with) just grew to 30% of total votes because of a depressed election day turnout. It would have a huge impact on the outcome.

Again..just plain old math.
 
2012-10-14 03:14:24 PM  

SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.


Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?
 
2012-10-14 03:17:19 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Not necessarily
 
2012-10-14 03:17:35 PM  
I've already voted for Obama.

Oklahoma here, he'll lose by 30%.
 
2012-10-14 03:18:30 PM  

AkaDad: keytronic: Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.

Please explain why Dems would want lower turnout?


Old people hate driving in snow.
 
2012-10-14 03:18:45 PM  
I thought it was because it's common knowledge that the Republicans try to delay/slow down democratic areas, so most of em have learnt to vote earlier to avoid being screwed.
 
2012-10-14 03:18:53 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Not all of this early voting is done by mail. Lots is done with machines at the county clerk's office.
 
2012-10-14 03:19:05 PM  
Old people hate driving in snow.
 
2012-10-14 03:25:41 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Old people hate driving in snow.


But the rest of us enjoy watching them. From a safe distance.
 
2012-10-14 03:30:40 PM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?


While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:02 PM  

SithLord: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?

While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


White conservatism promotes debtors prison and destitution.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:34 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


i.imgur.com

Not in IA or FL at least. This "secret" doesn't even make logical sense, Ballots for elections contain sections for POTUS, Senators, Representatives, all the way down to local boards of trustees, judge retention and constitutional amendments, sheriff, county ag and water commissions. Those votes have to be counted too and they are often close.
 
2012-10-14 03:39:25 PM  

SithLord: While liberalism promotes debt slavery.....


... like all those home owners going broke under Bush, knowing deep down that Obama was on the horizon. The time machine at work again.
 
2012-10-14 03:43:37 PM  
Just a taste of the sweet sweet GOP butthurt to come.

Beat the rush! Be sure to submit that Butthurt Report early guys!
 
2012-10-14 03:46:22 PM  

Somacandra: anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.

Absentee voting is an important part of democracy. I served as an election monitor all day in Detroit in 2004, over two hours away from where I lived. If I hadn't voted absentee, I would have not been able to vote--and you shouldn't have to give up voting to work as a poll monitor. Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.


Thats the whole point: to minimize the number of people who vote.

The de-politization of the populace is an important part of maintaining the status quo in a plutocracy.
 
2012-10-14 03:48:55 PM  

SithLord: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?

While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


Look how stupid you are.
 
2012-10-14 04:07:32 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Bullshiat. Out county releases the mail-in ballot totals as soon as the polls close.
 
2012-10-14 04:08:26 PM  
Our*
 
2012-10-14 04:08:45 PM  

AkaDad: keytronic: Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.

Please explain why Dems would want lower turnout?


Not to mention the fact that Cleveland/Akron has lake-effect snowstorms that Cincinnati doesn't get, and Cleveland/Akron is highly Democratic while Cincinnati is the opposite.
 
2012-10-14 04:15:30 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


This is untrue in places like Colorado, where almost 80% of votes were cast in early voting in 2008.
 
2012-10-14 04:21:34 PM  

SithLord: While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


Weak.
 
2012-10-14 04:30:03 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are

This is untrue in places like Colorado, where almost 80% of votes were cast in early voting in 2008.


But it's true in OR, where 100% of votes are by mail

/wait, what?
 
2012-10-14 04:36:47 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are

This is untrue in places like Colorado, where almost 80% of votes were cast in early voting in 2008.

But it's true in OR, where 100% of votes are by mail

/wait, what?


Holey Jeebus, I completely missed that. You guys don't even have polling places? How is Diebold supposed to steal the election?
 
2012-10-14 04:37:13 PM  
Whiskey Pete: Oldiron_79: GOP has more elderly people morons that think its somehow cheating to vote before traditional election day in november

FTFY


I don't debate that elderly alzheimer patient types that drive buiks are morans
 
2012-10-14 04:38:03 PM  
I'm not sure this really means much. There are still a few weeks to go.
 
2012-10-14 04:42:02 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way


4 GOP staffers indicted in "blatant and disgraceful" election fraud
http://politic365.com/2012/08/09/4-republican-staffers-indicted-for-b l atant-and-disgraceful-voter-fraud-in-michigan/

Proven GOP voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convic ted-in-voter-fraud-case.html?_r=1

More GOP fraud. This time in Massachusetts
http://www.wgbhnews.org/post/galvin-calls-voter-fraud-allegations-pre t ty-extreme

GOP voter fraud in Texas
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Fort-Bend-candidate-v o ted-twice-in-same-3937458.php

More suspicious voter forms found in Florida
After reports of irregularities, state GOP fires company hired to register people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49227596/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/# . UGjV_hi7ZGY
 
2012-10-14 04:46:35 PM  
Just three questions:

1) What's the rule if you cast an early vote, but then you die before the date of the actual election?

b) Is there a list anywhere of early voters who have voted Libtard I mean Democrat?

Thirdly, and totally unconnected to the above questions in any way, does anyone know where I can get cheap, reliable ammo, or a bulk discount? 


/just kidding of course - I already know where to get the ammo
 
2012-10-14 04:56:55 PM  

DubyaHater: Lets not start sucking each other's dicks yet. We need a massive turnout on November 6th. I don't like early bragging
/Obama 2012


good point. Especially since that kind of behavior may well land us in county if we screw this up and send in Mittens.
 
2012-10-14 04:57:30 PM  

Weaver95: i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!


Make sure the tape over the door locks isn't as obvious this time.

/too obscure?
 
2012-10-14 05:02:01 PM  

SithLord: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?

While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


Interesting...just going by this, it seems that liberals are more concerned about people, while conservatives are more concerned about money.

I'm going to go parse some other arguments and see if I can add to my confirmation bias here.
 
2012-10-14 05:02:18 PM  

Bucky Katt: I'm not sure this really means much. There are still a few weeks to go.


You got that right. Calling it now based on the presumptions involved in sample polling etc. is about precise as whatever a gypsy reading tea leaves might predict.

/On second thought,"Tea leaves" may not make for the best analogy, under the circumstances

//Make that me calling the outcome of the Falcons/Raiders game when it was tied, earlier
 
2012-10-14 05:05:04 PM  
It could be a Mormon Bradely Effect. Conservatives tell pollsters they're voting for Romney, but in actuality, they can't bring themselves to vote for a cultest.
 
2012-10-14 05:05:17 PM  

my lip balm addiction: . I am not seeing it - over 20% of young people who voted for Obama are now apathetic little shiats planning on not voting.


That's how you take that? Many are just really disappointed and find our political system hopeless. I'm one of those people (for the most part) but I get my ballot mailed to me every election, so it would be pretty stupid not to vote. I voted for Obama (was tempted to vote 3rd party just because CA is solid blue) but I cared more about the propositions.
 
2012-10-14 05:05:51 PM  

Gwyrddu: Interestingly, if Obama wins Ohio and Iowa, the two states where he has a big lead in early voting, he'll still win the election even if he loses all the other battleground states.

Link


Those are some nice boxes of early cast ballots you got there, shame if something were to happen to them.
 
2012-10-14 05:12:29 PM  
randomjsa:
imageshack.us
At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.
imageshack.us 

I expect better from someone being paid to post.
 
2012-10-14 05:15:31 PM  

Raharu: randomjsa:
[imageshack.us image 320x75]
At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.
[imageshack.us image 320x144] 

I expect better from someone being paid to post.


If that poor guy in the pic got a royalty for every time we used him he could buy working chromosomes.
 
2012-10-14 05:17:39 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Not so in Oregon, where everyone votes by mail, and with a little "cushion time" before Voting Day, to make sure everyone can participate. It's a damned good way to do it.
 
2012-10-14 05:18:33 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 350x480]


And not a minute too soon!
 
2012-10-14 05:23:34 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Just three questions:

1) What's the rule if you cast an early vote, but then you die before the date of the actual election?

b) Is there a list anywhere of early voters who have voted Libtard I mean Democrat?

Thirdly, and totally unconnected to the above questions in any way, does anyone know where I can get cheap, reliable ammo, or a bulk discount? 


/just kidding of course - I already know where to get the ammo


I can answer the first two questions:

A) If the ballot is filled out properly, it will be counted, even if the voter dies before election day. Barack Obama's grandmother died just before election day in 2008 but had cast an absentee ballot shortly before she shuffled off this mortal coil.

2) No, there is no way of knowing which voters voted for which candidates. You can make an educated guess as to how specific people vote (registered Democrats are unlikely to vote for Republican candidates and vice-versa, and the lists of registered voters may or may not be public information), but unless you have access to the list of who voted when, the actual ballots and some way of tying individual ballots to individual persons, you've got absolutely no way of knowing for certain which early voters were voting for Obama and/or against yet another trillion-dollar land war in Asia, and which voters were voting for Not-Obama.
 
2012-10-14 05:33:48 PM  

Bucky Katt: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way

4 GOP staffers indicted in "blatant and disgraceful" election fraud
http://politic365.com/2012/08/09/4-republican-staffers-indicted-for-b l atant-and-disgraceful-voter-fraud-in-michigan/

Proven GOP voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convic ted-in-voter-fraud-case.html?_r=1

More GOP fraud. This time in Massachusetts
http://www.wgbhnews.org/post/galvin-calls-voter-fraud-allegations-pre t ty-extreme

GOP voter fraud in Texas
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Fort-Bend-candidate-v o ted-twice-in-same-3937458.php

More suspicious voter forms found in Florida
After reports of irregularities, state GOP fires company hired to register people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49227596/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/# . UGjV_hi7ZGY


HA! A bunch of liberal mainstream MSM medias...like I'm going to fall for that!

/this is how "conservatives" actually think
 
2012-10-14 05:43:47 PM  
I expect Obama to also be leading with late and deceased voters.

/my headline was better
 
2012-10-14 05:46:42 PM  

King Something: A) If the ballot is filled out properly, it will be counted, even if the voter dies before election day. Barack Obama's grandmother died just before election day in 2008 but had cast an absentee ballot shortly before she shuffled off this mortal coil.


Shucks, then the other two questions are moot.


(thank you for a serious answer, genuinely curious about that)
 
2012-10-14 05:51:33 PM  

Whiskey Pete: If that poor guy in the pic got a royalty for every time we used him he could buy working chromosomes.


Thanks asshole. You made me laugh, and now Im going to hell because of it!
 
2012-10-14 05:54:51 PM  

Bucky Katt: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way

4 GOP staffers indicted in "blatant and disgraceful" election fraud
http://politic365.com/2012/08/09/4-republican-staffers-indicted-for-b l atant-and-disgraceful-voter-fraud-in-michigan/

Proven GOP voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convic ted-in-voter-fraud-case.html?_r=1

More GOP fraud. This time in Massachusetts
http://www.wgbhnews.org/post/galvin-calls-voter-fraud-allegations-pre t ty-extreme

GOP voter fraud in Texas
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Fort-Bend-candidate-v o ted-twice-in-same-3937458.php

More suspicious voter forms found in Florida
After reports of irregularities, state GOP fires company hired to register people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49227596/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/# . UGjV_hi7ZGY


And hires them right back.

www.bradblog.com
 
2012-10-14 06:15:35 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Im a merchant mariner who will be out of country in november.

Im not military. I shouldnt be allowed to vote?
 
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