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2012-10-14 02:15:49 PM

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Absentee voting is an important part of democracy. I served as an election monitor all day in Detroit in 2004, over two hours away from where I lived. If I hadn't voted absentee, I would have not been able to vote--and you shouldn't have to give up voting to work as a poll monitor. Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.
 
2012-10-14 02:16:11 PM

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?


Because we're constantly being derided for how powerless our military is.
 
2012-10-14 02:16:15 PM
Speaking of enthusiasm gaps, what's it say that RON PAUL still won't endorse Romney?

Ya got to admire his reasoning.

"I've been in this business a long time and believe me there is essentially no difference from one administration to another no matter what the platforms," said Paul, a former hopeful for the GOP nomination.

Both Sides Are Bad so... Vote RON PAUL!

Bless his heart. 

/Not a threadjack, more of a segue, really.
 
2012-10-14 02:16:21 PM

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?


Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.
 
2012-10-14 02:17:54 PM
There is this hardcore guns owner, fox news watcher, self proclaimed Republican that told me he is voting for Obama because Mitt doesn't stand for anything. Mitt will say anything to get elected.

/straight up shocked me
//sent him a fruit basket of ammo and an AR-15
 
2012-10-14 02:18:24 PM

Mrtraveler01: Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-14 02:19:49 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Serious Black: Yes, I do, which is why I pointed out that six of the countries represented on the left bar are members of major defense treaties with America and how they would be insane to attack us regardless of how much money they (or we) spend on defense. Putting them on that chart as showing a risk to us and reasons why we need to spend more money is insanity.

I don't think posting that chart implied that those countries were a threat, it was only to demonstrate how out of proportion our defense spending already is compared to the rest of the world.

It would look even more lopsided if we compared our spending to that of our "enemies".


It's actually kind of fun to go to wikipedia and see what each country declares as their armed forces.

Most countries don't field an air force larger than an American squadron, for instance.
It's really pretty... wow. Like, what the fark. The USA has to be ready to take on the entire world, all at the same time?
 
2012-10-14 02:19:55 PM

Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?

Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.


Yup.

As an interesting tangent barely related to this discussion, you want to know how deployed civilians like myself are thanked for their service to the country and putting their lives in danger? By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!
 
2012-10-14 02:20:26 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Sock Ruh Tease: [blog.garagepunknyc.com image 400x347]


Will somebody please get that crying eagle a damn drink already?


Romney won't drink with the crying eagle.

Didn't you right-wing farks say just a few years ago you wouldn't trust a President you couldn't have a drink with? Hypocritical farktards.
 
2012-10-14 02:21:26 PM

Somacandra: Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.


We should do away with early voting in the sense that we shouldn't make "proper voting" a single-day event. Spread it out Thurs-Tues or something.
 
2012-10-14 02:21:41 PM
GOP has more elderly people that think its somehow cheating to vote before traditional election day in november
 
2012-10-14 02:22:09 PM

starsrift: The USA has to be ready to take on the entire world, all at the same time?


There's a BEAR in the WOODS.
 
2012-10-14 02:23:11 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Somacandra: Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.

We should do away with early voting in the sense that we shouldn't make "proper voting" a single-day event. Spread it out Thurs-Tues or something.


Presidential election is now national holiday. Problem solved.
 
2012-10-14 02:24:04 PM

King Something: shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.

I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or earlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters


Do not believe the Obama will win the youth vote in a landslide again rhetoric. I am not seeing it - over 20% of young people who voted for Obama are now apathetic little shiats planning on not voting. Sucks, but that is what the polls have been saying.
 
2012-10-14 02:24:18 PM

Oldiron_79: GOP has more elderly people morons that think its somehow cheating to vote before traditional election day in november


FTFY
 
2012-10-14 02:24:25 PM

Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]


i232.photobucket.com
This ones for the ladies. Get your family values here.
 
2012-10-14 02:25:23 PM

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?

Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.

Yup.

As an interesting tangent barely related to this discussion, you want to know how deployed civilians like myself are thanked for their service to the country and putting their lives in danger? By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!


Serves you right for not being born into wealth!

/kidding of course
 
2012-10-14 02:26:54 PM

Whiskey Pete: Weaver95: Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.

I misunderestimated (sic) their stupidity, I reckon.


Never misunderestimate the stupidity of people who gave us two Bushes, and a 2nd term for the 2nd one. NEVER FORGET THAT shiat!!
 
2012-10-14 02:27:45 PM
Just mailed mine in, about 75% d, 25 %r (mostly local races) and a few npa. Damn near every d vote wasn't a vote for d, but rather a vote against the r incumbent.

Got that, ds? If you win, it's not a mandate FOR your platform, it's a mandate AGAINST the recent round of bullshiat we have had from rs!
 
2012-10-14 02:27:56 PM

Mrtraveler01: As an interesting tangent barely related to this discussion, you want to know how deployed civilians like myself are thanked for their service to the country and putting their lives in danger? By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!

Serves you right for not being born into wealth!

/kidding of course


I wonder which unit Zip, Trog and Blert Romney will be deploying with when we invade Iran?
 
2012-10-14 02:28:43 PM

Epoch_Zero: Presidential election is now national holiday. Problem solved.


That would certainly help, but I'd still prefer the event be stretched out over ~1 week. Somebody is going to have to work, even on a holiday. And collapsing the whole thing down to one day invites short-term vote-caging efforts because you may not have the time to correct the challenge until it's too late. Knowing that someone turned away from the polls on a technicality can come back in a few days and vote anyway would disrupt the GOP effort to suppress legitimate votes.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:13 PM

Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?

Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.


4% of GDP was the magic figured he sourced rectally during the debate.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:19 PM

my lip balm addiction: Never misunderestimate the stupidity of people who gave us two Bushes, and a 2nd term for the 2nd one. NEVER FORGET THAT shiat!!


Or the folks that actually took/take Sarah Palin seriously and wanted to put her in the White House as anything other than a maid.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:19 PM

Whiskey Pete: Mrtraveler01: As an interesting tangent barely related to this discussion, you want to know how deployed civilians like myself are thanked for their service to the country and putting their lives in danger? By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!

Serves you right for not being born into wealth!

/kidding of course

I wonder which unit Zip, Trog and Blert Romney will be deploying with when we invade Iran?


The unit that has a private mansion in France for missionary work obviously.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:42 PM

Serious Black: By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!


i.imgur.com i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-14 02:30:04 PM

Epoch_Zero: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Somacandra: Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.

We should do away with early voting in the sense that we shouldn't make "proper voting" a single-day event. Spread it out Thurs-Tues or something.

Presidential election is now national holiday. Problem solved.


It would help, but you still have a problem with emergency workers, hospital workers, shut-ins, travelers. There has to be a system for voting remotely when you can't get to a polling place on election day.

/ Live in Oregon
// Vote by mail
///Ballots arrive next week
 
2012-10-14 02:31:10 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: quatchi: There are more self identified Dems than Reps at this point so more Dems voting early should not come as any big surprise but it's still good to note. In terms of the "enthusiasm gap" I have yet to meet anyone I would describe as an "enthusiastic" Romney supporter yet. Heard a few derpers IRL go on about how much they admired Ryan"s "intellect" though. I just laughed at them until they stopped.

Basically, and I know a good number of tea partiers and self proclaimed "libertarians," and none of them like Romney, but say they will vote for him because they don't like Obama. But the "don't like Obama" meme just doesn't provide much inspiration, and, when it comes down to it, the choice to mow the lawn or to vote for Romney may keep a lot of people at home. There are a good number of folks who don't like Obama, but they aren't necessarily motivated to vote for Romney.


What's sad about that is that the libertarian voting bloc in this country is actually quite large. If all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote. Sure, they'd never win, but you'd almost have to take them seriously at that point.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:10 PM
'Likely voters' is a murky field. 'Registered voters' and 'early voters' leave no room for interpretation.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:40 PM

Serious Black: The unit that has a private mansion in France for missionary work obviously.


Say what you will but to this very day the Viet Cong has never invaded France. Mitt should be lauded as a hero.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:59 PM

my lip balm addiction: King Something: shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.

I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or earlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters

Do not believe the Obama will win the youth vote in a landslide again rhetoric. I am not seeing it - over 20% of young people who voted for Obama are now apathetic little shiats planning on not voting. Sucks, but that is what the polls have been saying.


What polls have been saying that?

More to the point, what polls have been polling young people enough to even have a chance to say that in the first place?
 
2012-10-14 02:33:08 PM

CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.


The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).
 
2012-10-14 02:35:26 PM
and then the republitards will find a way to misplace them all.
 
2012-10-14 02:36:13 PM
This headline can't be right, I've seen the unskewed polls and my gut agrees.
 
2012-10-14 02:37:50 PM
NC's early voting starts 10/18. The article says early voting has already begun here; are they counting absentee and provisional votes?

/intends to vote early
//wish I didn't have to listen to all the campaign ads any longer
 
2012-10-14 02:40:30 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: Mrtraveler01: I can see why Republicans in Ohio would want to put a stop to this.

If one of your strategies is to suppress voter turnout - you're on the wrong side.




I don't know, I am of the school of thought that most people are idiots and the idea that everyone's vote counting equally is pretty stupid. The framers of the constitution seem to generally agree as the president is not directly elected via popular vote and nor were senators originally.
 
2012-10-14 02:42:09 PM

Bendal: /intends to vote early
//wish I didn't have to listen to all the campaign ads any longer



I'm in Ohio and Crossroads is STILL running the "unemployment is above 8%" TV ad.
 
2012-10-14 02:42:38 PM

Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]


i.chzbgr.com

...has this been done yet?
 
2012-10-14 02:46:32 PM

Whiskey Pete: Mrtraveler01: That and Romney said in Ohio yesterday something along the lines of spending enough money on Defense to the point that no one would test it.

Made me barf when I heard that on the news last night.


See, all those other countries combined didn't even steal as much money from Medicare as 0bummer did!
 
2012-10-14 02:46:59 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]

[i.chzbgr.com image 401x271]

...has this been done yet?


$50 says that the Unskewed polls guy uses a Hoveround.
 
2012-10-14 02:50:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.

The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).


Yes, the Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans. Most outsiders have a hard time seeing what makes Libertarians all that unique. Think about their supposed mouthpiece--Neal Boortz. He had so much Republican dick in his mouth over the past few years that it was hard to understand what he was saying.
 
2012-10-14 02:50:39 PM
Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.
 
2012-10-14 02:50:44 PM

that bosnian sniper: Weaver95: Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.

Or, inarguably more frightening, they understand another war in the Middle East, especially one that involves Israel, will make the Jeeb come back, whisk all Real Americans to Hebbin', and leave us heathens burning in hell on Earth or what the fark ever.


If it will get the fundy tards off this planet, I say go for it.
 
2012-10-14 02:52:01 PM

Whiskey Pete: Lionel Mandrake: Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]

[i.chzbgr.com image 401x271]

...has this been done yet?

$50 says that the Unskewed polls guy uses a Hoveround.


...paid for by Medicare/Medicaid
 
2012-10-14 02:52:22 PM

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


You sound concerned


//I live for the 'you sound concerned' response.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:19 PM

Jonny Chimpo: Whiskey Pete: Jonny Chimpo: I will be voting early as I teach at a charter school, so our buildings are not used as polling places, ergo we have school. I was somewhat surprised how easy it was to register to vote, as I had moved to North Carolina but not yet established residency. I had a proof of residency but they didn't ask for it. I will take one when early voting either way.

The one thing is that I have no clue what to do for local offices. Any suggestions for humorous write-in votes?

"Weedlord Bonerhitler" seems to be a new favorite.

I do live in Charlotte, so I may write in Ric Flair for a local office


I'd like to remind you which party brought us Amendment 1 when you are voting on the state level.

For the U.S. House you are either in the 8th or the 12th. Both a gerrymandered to pander to race. The 12th is always going to elect a black guy(Mel Watt pretty much owns it) and the 8th will always be a white guy but they do swing (D) once in a while.

Locally our choices suck. Always have and always will. I have yet to see Charlotte get a city council that acts like adults are running things. It's not always blatant but race dominates local politics and it sucks.

Welcome to Charlotte.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:34 PM

chuckufarlie: and then the republitards will find a way to misplace them all.


I wish I had a way to know that my vote was being counted. I read an article that proposed that every voter who wanted one could get a copy of another (anonymous) voter's ballot to verify it online. In trial runs, this kind of spot checking of only a few percent of the ballots was very effective in finding errors.
 
2012-10-14 02:56:43 PM

keytronic: Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.


Please explain why Dems would want lower turnout?
 
2012-10-14 02:58:05 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mrtraveler01: CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.

The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).

Yes, the Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans. Most outsiders have a hard time seeing what makes Libertarians all that unique. Think about their supposed mouthpiece--Neal Boortz. He had so much Republican dick in his mouth over the past few years that it was hard to understand what he was saying.


If I was running one of the big 3rd parties, the Libertarians or Greens, I'd switch from this "the only time you see us is every 4 years when we put up our presidential candidate" strategy to one where they pick a few deep red and deep blue (respectively) state legislature or House seats and go after them hard.

You wouldn't be directly sabotaging your closest aligned major party, and having more people in positions of power, even if it's not at the higher levels, would do wonders to help the brand of the 3rd parties.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:02 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Whiskey Pete: What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.

They don't think there's going to be a war if Romney is elected. They believe that the world sees America as weak (Apology Tour, duh) and that Romney's tough stance and vast foreign policy experience will force Iran to back down.

/ This is what Republicans actually believe.


Argo was really good, btw.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:28 PM

CmndrFish: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mrtraveler01: CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.

The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).

Yes, the Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans. Most outsiders have a hard time seeing what makes Libertarians all that unique. Think about their supposed mouthpiece--Neal Boortz. He had so much Republican dick in his mouth over the past few years that it was hard to understand what he was saying.

If I was running one of the big 3rd parties, the Libertarians or Greens, I'd switch from this "the only time you see us is every 4 years when we put up our presidential candidate" strategy to one where they pick a few deep red and deep blue (respectively) state legislature or House seats and go after them hard.

You wouldn't be directly sabotaging your closest aligned major party, and having more people in positions of power, even if it's not at the higher levels, would do wonders to help the brand of the 3rd parties.


The Libertarians tried that for a while, trying to get on major city councils and running for state senate. People didn't like them, and they got mowed down by the REAL conservatives, the Tea Party.
 
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