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(Reuters)   Mind the (enthusiasm) gap: more Democrats than Republicans are voting early   (reuters.com ) divider line
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2012-10-14 12:34:45 PM  
Wow. Now I really wonder why they wanted to quash these votes. I'm stumped. Someone help me out.
 
2012-10-14 12:41:07 PM  
 
2012-10-14 12:51:15 PM  
Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way
 
2012-10-14 12:54:24 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way


At least on those days they isn't being lazy and shiftless like those crack smokers usually are. Right, brother?
 
2012-10-14 01:00:46 PM  
This seems to be the biggest question mark over on 538 -- how to factor the contradictory polling data that says Republican voters are more likely to vote, with the reports that Dems are outvoting the Republicans by large margins in early voting.

I think there are two factors: 1. A lot of those votes were sent in before the media over-hype of the first debate, and 2. Obama's GOTV effort crushes Romney's, just as it did McCain's. I read a report a couple of months ago that the Obama Campaign had more than double the field offices in Florida that Romney had.
 
2012-10-14 01:03:45 PM  
Yeah! Let's end that damn Terrorist early voting once and for all for the good of america!!! Are you with me??
 
2012-10-14 01:07:35 PM  
Freepers: Small sample, skewed cross tabs. Typical 'rat trick polls.
 
2012-10-14 01:07:43 PM  
i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!
 
2012-10-14 01:10:08 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: This seems to be the biggest question mark over on 538 -- how to factor the contradictory polling data that says Republican voters are more likely to vote, with the reports that Dems are outvoting the Republicans by large margins in early voting.

I think there are two factors: 1. A lot of those votes were sent in before the media over-hype of the first debate, and 2. Obama's GOTV effort crushes Romney's, just as it did McCain's. I read a report a couple of months ago that the Obama Campaign had more than double the field offices in Florida that Romney had.


I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.
 
2012-10-14 01:10:54 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: This seems to be the biggest question mark over on 538 -- how to factor the contradictory polling data that says Republican voters are more likely to vote, with the reports that Dems are outvoting the Republicans by large margins in early voting.

I think there are two factors: 1. A lot of those votes were sent in before the media over-hype of the first debate, and 2. Obama's GOTV effort crushes Romney's, just as it did McCain's. I read a report a couple of months ago that the Obama Campaign had more than double the field offices in Florida that Romney had.


the GOTV effort from the Obama campaign is VERY motivated. I don't think i've even seen a Romney campaign worker yet.
 
2012-10-14 01:12:02 PM  

Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.



But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.
 
2012-10-14 01:13:03 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.


yes but it never hurts to point out just what sort of horrors life under Romney/Ryan would bring to this country.
 
2012-10-14 01:13:06 PM  
I'm certainly looking forward to voting in Oregon next week when I get my ballot...STRAIGHT TICKET REPUBLICAN. (No, not really).
 
2012-10-14 01:13:06 PM  

Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.


I don't understand.

How can you not want this magical budget of a 20% tax cut across the board, a 2 trillion increase in military spending, a maintain of social spending, and elimination of the deficit, all paid for via closing a few tax code loopholes that only detrimentally impact the 1%?

I think it's fantastic.
 
2012-10-14 01:13:53 PM  
Damn libtards, didn't you get our calls? Republicans vote from January 20, 2009 to November 6, 2012. Libtards (especially enthusiastic libtards) vote November 7, 2012.

blog.garagepunknyc.com
 
2012-10-14 01:16:10 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [blog.garagepunknyc.com image 400x347]



Will somebody please get that crying eagle a damn drink already?
 
2012-10-14 01:17:33 PM  

starsrift: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.

I don't understand.

How can you not want this magical budget of a 20% tax cut across the board, a 2 trillion increase in military spending, a maintain of social spending, and elimination of the deficit, all paid for via closing a few tax code loopholes that only detrimentally impact the 1%?

I think it's fantastic.


I'm looking forward to the all-expenses paid trip to Iran! Of course after a dozen years of war Romney will have to reinstate the draft instate "compulsory patriotism" in order to have enough cannon fodder.
 
2012-10-14 01:20:18 PM  

Whiskey Pete: starsrift: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.

I don't understand.

How can you not want this magical budget of a 20% tax cut across the board, a 2 trillion increase in military spending, a maintain of social spending, and elimination of the deficit, all paid for via closing a few tax code loopholes that only detrimentally impact the 1%?

I think it's fantastic.

I'm looking forward to the all-expenses paid trip to Iran! Of course after a dozen years of war Romney will have to reinstate the draft instate "compulsory patriotism" in order to have enough cannon fodder.


the GOP policy of no abortions and no birth control suddenly starts to make a lot more sense....
 
2012-10-14 01:21:41 PM  
Interestingly, if Obama wins Ohio and Iowa, the two states where he has a big lead in early voting, he'll still win the election even if he loses all the other battleground states.

Link
 
2012-10-14 01:23:21 PM  
Gee, the political party most closely affiliated with voter fraud and Nazi Germany has an early lead in the polls. I'm shocked. I really am.
 
2012-10-14 01:23:37 PM  

Weaver95: the GOP policy of no abortions and no birth control suddenly starts to make a lot more sense....


I've actually seen posts in the Freepersphere indicating that Iran poses a threat to 'Murica and that "something needs to be done". I often wish I was Canadian.
 
2012-10-14 01:25:52 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Damn libtards, didn't you get our calls? Republicans vote from January 20, 2009 to November 6, 2012. Libtards (especially enthusiastic libtards) vote November 7, 2012.

[blog.garagepunknyc.com image 400x347]


sorry, i can't afford a land line.
 
2012-10-14 01:26:39 PM  
There are more self identified Dems than Reps at this point so more Dems voting early should not come as any big surprise but it's still good to note. In terms of the "enthusiasm gap" I have yet to meet anyone I would describe as an "enthusiastic" Romney supporter yet. Heard a few derpers IRL go on about how much they admired Ryan"s "intellect" though. I just laughed at them until they stopped.
 
2012-10-14 01:26:50 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.


I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or arlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters
 
2012-10-14 01:27:06 PM  
This is bad news for...

/Obama

//obviously
 
2012-10-14 01:28:27 PM  
Pretty obvious that democrats are voting early because they think it may be illegal for them to vote next week
 
2012-10-14 01:28:32 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Gee, the political party most closely affiliated with voter fraud and Nazi Germany has an early lead in the polls. I'm shocked. I really am.


You know who else had an early lead in the polls?

No, wait, you already done that one. Never mind.
 
2012-10-14 01:28:36 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Weaver95: the GOP policy of no abortions and no birth control suddenly starts to make a lot more sense....

I've actually seen posts in the Freepersphere indicating that Iran poses a threat to 'Murica and that "something needs to be done". I often wish I was Canadian.


yeah, every time a Republican starts talking about invading Iran I ask them when they're going to join up and can I give them a lift to the enlistment center....they almost always change the subject at that point.
 
2012-10-14 01:30:59 PM  
I see lost ballots.
 
2012-10-14 01:31:04 PM  

King Something: shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.

I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or arlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters


They might be excluding the Presidential only votes too. Voter turnout for midterms since 1972 have always been less than 40% of the voting age population, all Presidential elections at least 49%.
 
2012-10-14 01:32:06 PM  
Will be completing my mail in ballot tonight and mailing that muthafarka tomorrow.
 
2012-10-14 01:34:07 PM  

Weaver95: yeah, every time a Republican starts talking about invading Iran I ask them when they're going to join up and can I give them a lift to the enlistment center....they almost always change the subject at that point.


What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.
 
2012-10-14 01:34:50 PM  
I will be voting early as I teach at a charter school, so our buildings are not used as polling places, ergo we have school. I was somewhat surprised how easy it was to register to vote, as I had moved to North Carolina but not yet established residency. I had a proof of residency but they didn't ask for it. I will take one when early voting either way.

The one thing is that I have no clue what to do for local offices. Any suggestions for humorous write-in votes?
 
2012-10-14 01:36:34 PM  

Jonny Chimpo: I will be voting early as I teach at a charter school, so our buildings are not used as polling places, ergo we have school. I was somewhat surprised how easy it was to register to vote, as I had moved to North Carolina but not yet established residency. I had a proof of residency but they didn't ask for it. I will take one when early voting either way.

The one thing is that I have no clue what to do for local offices. Any suggestions for humorous write-in votes?


"Weedlord Bonerhitler" seems to be a new favorite.
 
2012-10-14 01:36:53 PM  
I've asked this question before, but what the heck I'll ask one more time.

Are early voters included in the likely voter count, or are they filtered out?
 
2012-10-14 01:37:08 PM  

Whiskey Pete: I've actually seen posts in the Freepersphere indicating that Iran poses a threat to 'Murica and that "something needs to be done". I often wish I was Canadian.


You sure about that? We live under the quasi-democratic rule of this fundie:

www.mapleleaks.com

/we do have lovely socialized health care, however
 
2012-10-14 01:37:37 PM  
Are all of the polls back to being biased again? It's hard to keep up with the GOP conspiracy theories.
 
2012-10-14 01:37:45 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Jonny Chimpo: I will be voting early as I teach at a charter school, so our buildings are not used as polling places, ergo we have school. I was somewhat surprised how easy it was to register to vote, as I had moved to North Carolina but not yet established residency. I had a proof of residency but they didn't ask for it. I will take one when early voting either way.

The one thing is that I have no clue what to do for local offices. Any suggestions for humorous write-in votes?

"Weedlord Bonerhitler" seems to be a new favorite.


I do live in Charlotte, so I may write in Ric Flair for a local office
 
2012-10-14 01:38:31 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Weaver95: yeah, every time a Republican starts talking about invading Iran I ask them when they're going to join up and can I give them a lift to the enlistment center....they almost always change the subject at that point.

What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.


Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.
 
2012-10-14 01:38:42 PM  
www.politifake.org
 
2012-10-14 01:39:14 PM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Whiskey Pete: I've actually seen posts in the Freepersphere indicating that Iran poses a threat to 'Murica and that "something needs to be done". I often wish I was Canadian.

You sure about that? We live under the quasi-democratic rule of this fundie:

[www.mapleleaks.com image 452x452]

/we do have lovely socialized health care, however


Yeah, but you guys' have RUSH so it all evens out.
 
2012-10-14 01:39:25 PM  

Whiskey Pete: What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.


What, are you kidding? They love being on the winning team and getting to beat up on other countries and stuff. It's all justified too because terrorism. Plus, they don't have to sacrifice anything for it, just put it on your kids credit card.

/it also doesn't hurt not thinking through ramifications and that Iran is not Iraq, has four times the people that would be more united in their resistance to occupation and loss of their oil would cause a major energy crisis.
 
2012-10-14 01:40:34 PM  

Weaver95: Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.


I misunderestimated (sic) their stupidity, I reckon.
 
2012-10-14 01:40:34 PM  

Weaver95: Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.


Or, inarguably more frightening, they understand another war in the Middle East, especially one that involves Israel, will make the Jeeb come back, whisk all Real Americans to Hebbin', and leave us heathens burning in hell on Earth or what the fark ever.
 
2012-10-14 01:41:13 PM  
I can see why Republicans in Ohio would want to put a stop to this.
 
2012-10-14 01:41:15 PM  

Whiskey Pete: What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.


They don't think there's going to be a war if Romney is elected. They believe that the world sees America as weak (Apology Tour, duh) and that Romney's tough stance and vast foreign policy experience will force Iran to back down.

/ This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2012-10-14 01:41:31 PM  

King Something:

I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or arlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters


I'm 100% sure you don't know what you're talking about.

Different firms use different methods. Some just ask how likely you think it is you will vote; some ask whether you voted in previous elections. Some use demographics - among your age/race/income group what was the previous Registered to Actual ratio.

Saw a study using '08 polls that compared Likely voter responses to actual turnout. Among people who said 100% certainty they would vote, 87% voted. Among those who put their liklihood at under 50% (ie "probably won't") it was 55%.

RV vs LV should be very narrow this cycle, I think most pollsters are missing that. PPP has a good method by using the same respondents and a larger sample
 
2012-10-14 01:41:44 PM  

keithgabryelski: Pretty obvious that democrats are voting early because they think it may be illegal for them to vote again next week


FTFY.
 
2012-10-14 01:42:33 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Whiskey Pete: What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.

They don't think there's going to be a war if Romney is elected. They believe that the world sees America as weak (Apology Tour, duh) and that Romney's tough stance and vast foreign policy experience will force Iran to back down.

/ This is what Republicans actually believe.


That and Romney said in Ohio yesterday something along the lines of spending enough money on Defense to the point that no one would test it.

Made me barf when I heard that on the news last night.
 
2012-10-14 01:42:35 PM  
At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.
 
2012-10-14 01:42:57 PM  
I actually cast my ballot about two weeks ago. Deployed civilians get just as good of voting benefits as deployed soliders!

And if anyone is curious, I ended up voting for Obama over Johnson and Stein.
 
2012-10-14 01:42:57 PM  

kpaxoid: I see lost ballots.


i don't have the links handy but the number of tossed ballots with early and absentee voting is far too high. my signature never looks the same even ten minutes apart and would get my paper ballot tossed for sure.
 
2012-10-14 01:43:32 PM  

randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.


Damn was that really the best you could come up with?

You gotta step up your game kiddo!
 
2012-10-14 01:44:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I can see why Republicans in Ohio would want to put a stop to this.


If one of your strategies is to suppress voter turnout - you're on the wrong side.

//republicans can really be some unamericantwatwaffles
 
2012-10-14 01:44:47 PM  

quatchi: There are more self identified Dems than Reps at this point so more Dems voting early should not come as any big surprise but it's still good to note. In terms of the "enthusiasm gap" I have yet to meet anyone I would describe as an "enthusiastic" Romney supporter yet. Heard a few derpers IRL go on about how much they admired Ryan"s "intellect" though. I just laughed at them until they stopped.


Basically, and I know a good number of tea partiers and self proclaimed "libertarians," and none of them like Romney, but say they will vote for him because they don't like Obama. But the "don't like Obama" meme just doesn't provide much inspiration, and, when it comes down to it, the choice to mow the lawn or to vote for Romney may keep a lot of people at home. There are a good number of folks who don't like Obama, but they aren't necessarily motivated to vote for Romney.
 
2012-10-14 01:45:25 PM  

Cataholic: keithgabryelski: Pretty obvious that democrats are voting early because they think it may be illegal for them to vote again next week

FTFY.


I know you think you're being clever and snarky here, but re-read how you "fixed" that. You are accusing dems of being aware that it's illegal to vote twice.
 
2012-10-14 01:45:26 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: Mrtraveler01: I can see why Republicans in Ohio would want to put a stop to this.

If one of your strategies is to suppress voter turnout - you're on the wrong side.

//republicans can really be some unamericantwatwaffles


Makes it even more sickening when they used our soliders as part of their party games.
 
2012-10-14 01:45:45 PM  
The Republican way:

biatch early, biatch often, and make up shiat about voter fraud while committing voter registration fraud


Why do Republicans hate democracy?
 
2012-10-14 01:45:59 PM  
i imagine this must be a big blow to the Republicans. Outside of throwing away votes, disenfranchising people, and trying to demoralize Democrats, they had nothing. Funny that Romney's 'big debate win' really means nothing as the Democrats are still turning out in big numbers.

In a way, the Republicans are still dealing from their last big failure, Dubya: he's going to be used as motivation for the next century on the dangers of not voting. That is, unless you want more Republicans acting snide and voting the country into the poorhouse.
 
2012-10-14 01:46:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: That and Romney said in Ohio yesterday something along the lines of spending enough money on Defense to the point that no one would test it.

Made me barf when I heard that on the news last night.


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-14 01:47:06 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The Republican way:

biatch early, biatch often, and make up shiat about voter fraud while committing voter registration fraud


Why do Republicans hate democracy?


Because they're slaves. They enjoy their slavery, and enjoy that they have people to tell them what to do. They get around it by screeching about 'freedom,' but the perfect Republican is a slave that enjoys being whipped. It's the most politically masochistic party ever.
 
2012-10-14 01:47:22 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I know you think you're being clever and snarky here, but re-read how you "fixed" that. You are accusing dems of being aware that it's illegal to vote twice.


Oh bullcrap. You're only allowed two votes if you're a "post-life" American. Stop making shiat up about Democrats.
 
2012-10-14 01:49:11 PM  
All this proves is the GOP's war on voting had their bombs aimed at the correct targets. Scheduled events and parties really cut into enthusiasm for GOP voters.
 
2012-10-14 01:50:16 PM  
Still not counting chickens yet

//cautiously optimistic
 
2012-10-14 01:50:26 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-14 01:50:33 PM  
Lets not start sucking each other's dicks yet. We need a massive turnout on November 6th. I don't like early bragging
/Obama 2012
 
2012-10-14 01:51:09 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Mrtraveler01: That and Romney said in Ohio yesterday something along the lines of spending enough money on Defense to the point that no one would test it.

Made me barf when I heard that on the news last night.

[i1162.photobucket.com image 675x360]


Three of those countries on the left bar are signatories to a special intelligence-sharing treaty known as Five Eyes, and another three are either members of NATO or ISAF and working very closely with America in current war efforts. The idea that those countries would attack us is far beyond laughable. It's malarkey.
 
2012-10-14 01:51:33 PM  

Weaver95: i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!


This post, coming from you, makes my heart smile.
 
2012-10-14 01:52:43 PM  

randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.


I don't think the GOP is 'desperate'. Deluded maybe but desperate? nah.
 
2012-10-14 01:53:34 PM  

Serious Black: Whiskey Pete: Mrtraveler01: That and Romney said in Ohio yesterday something along the lines of spending enough money on Defense to the point that no one would test it.

Made me barf when I heard that on the news last night.

[i1162.photobucket.com image 675x360]

Three of those countries on the left bar are signatories to a special intelligence-sharing treaty known as Five Eyes, and another three are either members of NATO or ISAF and working very closely with America in current war efforts. The idea that those countries would attack us is far beyond laughable. It's malarkey.


You do realize that the chart represents defense spending, right?
 
2012-10-14 01:54:11 PM  

blackminded: Weaver95: i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!

This post, coming from you, makes my heart smile.


quit yer grinning and drop yer linen. get down to your local Democratic HQ and volunteer for a shift.
 
2012-10-14 01:54:57 PM  

randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.


www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2012-10-14 01:55:38 PM  
with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.
 
2012-10-14 01:56:33 PM  

Weaver95: randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.

I don't think the GOP is 'desperate'. Deluded maybe but desperate? nah.


It's both. Or rather, their desperation causes them to turn to delusion. "Unskewed polls". They actually think they're crushing the election right now.
 
2012-10-14 01:57:28 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


So if your boss sends you on a trip to China on election day, you're fine with being disenfranchised or losing your job?
 
2012-10-14 01:58:24 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"


Would this man lie to you?

i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-14 01:58:26 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Weaver95: randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.

I don't think the GOP is 'desperate'. Deluded maybe but desperate? nah.

It's both. Or rather, their desperation causes them to turn to delusion. "Unskewed polls". They actually think they're crushing the election right now.


which is fine. I'm ok with team Romney thinking they've got this in the bag. they won't push as hard that way.
 
2012-10-14 01:58:29 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Fraud on the part of the voter, or on the part of the people who count the votes? Because if it's the latter then I agree. I won't vote early because I don't trust my DERPy republican state-government to not toss all the early votes from my left-leaning county into a giant kiln.
 
2012-10-14 01:58:37 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Uh, no.
 
2012-10-14 01:58:47 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Serious Black: Whiskey Pete: Mrtraveler01: That and Romney said in Ohio yesterday something along the lines of spending enough money on Defense to the point that no one would test it.

Made me barf when I heard that on the news last night.

[i1162.photobucket.com image 675x360]

Three of those countries on the left bar are signatories to a special intelligence-sharing treaty known as Five Eyes, and another three are either members of NATO or ISAF and working very closely with America in current war efforts. The idea that those countries would attack us is far beyond laughable. It's malarkey.

You do realize that the chart represents defense spending, right?


Yes, I do, which is why I pointed out that six of the countries represented on the left bar are members of major defense treaties with America and how they would be insane to attack us regardless of how much money they (or we) spend on defense. Putting them on that chart as showing a risk to us and reasons why we need to spend more money is insanity.
 
2012-10-14 01:59:22 PM  

Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]


He keeps taking it on the chins in these threads.
 
2012-10-14 02:01:33 PM  

Serious Black: Yes, I do, which is why I pointed out that six of the countries represented on the left bar are members of major defense treaties with America and how they would be insane to attack us regardless of how much money they (or we) spend on defense. Putting them on that chart as showing a risk to us and reasons why we need to spend more money is insanity.


I don't think posting that chart implied that those countries were a threat, it was only to demonstrate how out of proportion our defense spending already is compared to the rest of the world.

It would look even more lopsided if we compared our spending to that of our "enemies".
 
2012-10-14 02:02:02 PM  
I would just like to point out that the questions they ask to screen for likely voters would most likely eliminate most first time voters.
 
2012-10-14 02:02:08 PM  
A head start is better than no start. As has been the case all year, if voter turner is even average Obama should win--maybe not comfortably but should. There's nothing more the politicians can do in that circumstance. It's all about peer pressure. Nag Americans to vote long enough and they'll wake up on November 6 with the subconscious desire to do it just to get it over with.
 
2012-10-14 02:02:43 PM  

Serious Black: Yes, I do, which is why I pointed out that six of the countries represented on the left bar are members of major defense treaties with America and how they would be insane to attack us regardless of how much money they (or we) spend on defense. Putting them on that chart as showing a risk to us and reasons why we need to spend more money is insanity.


The chart isn't intended to "show a risk to us". It's intended to illustrate the absurd amount of money that we spend on defense compared to other countries. Mittens wants to add another $2 trillion to that.
 
2012-10-14 02:03:16 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 350x480]


RIP ARLEN SP...



Oh, shiat! He really did? Today?
 
2012-10-14 02:04:13 PM  

Jonny Chimpo: Whiskey Pete: Jonny Chimpo: I will be voting early as I teach at a charter school, so our buildings are not used as polling places, ergo we have school. I was somewhat surprised how easy it was to register to vote, as I had moved to North Carolina but not yet established residency. I had a proof of residency but they didn't ask for it. I will take one when early voting either way.

The one thing is that I have no clue what to do for local offices. Any suggestions for humorous write-in votes?

"Weedlord Bonerhitler" seems to be a new favorite.

I do live in Charlotte, so I may write in Ric Flair for a local office


You could also write in Walter Donovan, Yui Hasegawa, Hugh Jass, Kurenai Misuzu, Harriet Jones, Ben Collins or Phillip J. Fry. Just a few ideas.

/hopefully the ballot counters will recognize such a write-in as a protest vote
 
2012-10-14 02:04:27 PM  
Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."


Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.
 
2012-10-14 02:05:05 PM  

Whiskey Pete: The chart isn't intended to "show a risk to us". It's intended to illustrate the absurd amount of money that we spend on defense compared to other countries. Mittens wants to add another $2 trillion to that.


Yeah but he's going to go Bain on Sesame Street. So it all balances out.
 
2012-10-14 02:07:25 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Whiskey Pete: The chart isn't intended to "show a risk to us". It's intended to illustrate the absurd amount of money that we spend on defense compared to other countries. Mittens wants to add another $2 trillion to that.

Yeah but he's going to go Bain on Sesame Street. So it all balances out.


If people are gullible enough to buy that bullshiat, maybe we do deserve a Romney presidency.
 
2012-10-14 02:07:44 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.

Fraud on the part of the voter, or on the part of the people who count the votes? Because if it's the latter then I agree. I won't vote early because I don't trust my DERPy republican state-government to not toss all the early votes from my left-leaning county into a giant kiln.


You sound like you live in Florida, Wisconsin or Ohio.
 
2012-10-14 02:10:27 PM  

Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.


Man, I should just go back and copypasta what I'm seeing on the ground.

Enthusiastic about Romney - not many, no. Either quick and to the point Romney from people very likely to show up to the polls (middle aged, middle income or up white folks mainly) and people who are Jesus effing Christ scary about their opposition to Obama... the combination of those two + purposeful voter disenfranchisement and disinformation worries me a bit. And I am seeing more Romney signs popping up in the past few weeks so they may be ramping up a bit.

Problem from the folks I speak to is by nature of my employer the more frothing zealous idiots self-eliminate before I poll them (we're non partisan but to the conspiracy minded we're part of the Coalition To Destroy America - even though we poll in part to show that we have a stupidly diverse supporter base, ideologically speaking).

That said, I've seen the Obama enthusiasm slowly uptick even after the debate.

I'm also finally hearing more "well.... don't like either one, but what we're going to lose if Romney is elected worries me" from undecideds. A few weeks ago I was getting more "well... not crazy about either one, but times are tough and Romney is a businessman". Just talking to two undecided people (in a very Republican, but Eisenhower Republican area) on Friday they managed to somehow move from undecided to probably Obama just in talking to me. And I didn't say much.

So that's a plus.

/anecdotal data is anecdotal in my no longer a background state but that shares many similar qualities with populations in Ohio blah blah blah
 
2012-10-14 02:11:09 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Serious Black: Yes, I do, which is why I pointed out that six of the countries represented on the left bar are members of major defense treaties with America and how they would be insane to attack us regardless of how much money they (or we) spend on defense. Putting them on that chart as showing a risk to us and reasons why we need to spend more money is insanity.

I don't think posting that chart implied that those countries were a threat, it was only to demonstrate how out of proportion our defense spending already is compared to the rest of the world.

It would look even more lopsided if we compared our spending to that of our "enemies".


Whiskey Pete: The chart isn't intended to "show a risk to us". It's intended to illustrate the absurd amount of money that we spend on defense compared to other countries. Mittens wants to add another $2 trillion to that.


And I think pointing out that the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Australia, and Canada are all major partners with America shows that our spending is even more out of proportion with the rest of the world since the point of defense spending is ostensibly to keep us safe from danger. Those six countries pose absolutely no danger to us, so trying to match their defense spending is a useless metric.
 
2012-10-14 02:12:52 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


I'm sure you can back up this claim...
 
2012-10-14 02:13:03 PM  
Battleground, not Background, oh, whatever.

I hate this time of the year.
 
2012-10-14 02:13:15 PM  

King Something: You sound like you live in Florida, Wisconsin or Ohio.


If Walker were to step into the street in front of me, I'd have trouble getting myself to put on the brakes.
 
2012-10-14 02:14:13 PM  

Serious Black: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Serious Black: Yes, I do, which is why I pointed out that six of the countries represented on the left bar are members of major defense treaties with America and how they would be insane to attack us regardless of how much money they (or we) spend on defense. Putting them on that chart as showing a risk to us and reasons why we need to spend more money is insanity.

I don't think posting that chart implied that those countries were a threat, it was only to demonstrate how out of proportion our defense spending already is compared to the rest of the world.

It would look even more lopsided if we compared our spending to that of our "enemies".

Whiskey Pete: The chart isn't intended to "show a risk to us". It's intended to illustrate the absurd amount of money that we spend on defense compared to other countries. Mittens wants to add another $2 trillion to that.

And I think pointing out that the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Australia, and Canada are all major partners with America shows that our spending is even more out of proportion with the rest of the world since the point of defense spending is ostensibly to keep us safe from danger. Those six countries pose absolutely no danger to us, so trying to match their defense spending is a useless metric.


...and you've completely missed the point. Again. Good day.
 
2012-10-14 02:14:28 PM  

Brick-House: [www.politifake.org image 336x298]


You slay me, dude!
 
2012-10-14 02:14:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.


I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?
 
2012-10-14 02:15:25 PM  

andrewagill: Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 350x480]

RIP ARLEN SP...

Oh, shiat! He really did? Today?


Well I'll be damned.

/Didn't realize he was that old
 
2012-10-14 02:15:49 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Absentee voting is an important part of democracy. I served as an election monitor all day in Detroit in 2004, over two hours away from where I lived. If I hadn't voted absentee, I would have not been able to vote--and you shouldn't have to give up voting to work as a poll monitor. Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.
 
2012-10-14 02:16:11 PM  

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?


Because we're constantly being derided for how powerless our military is.
 
2012-10-14 02:16:15 PM  
Speaking of enthusiasm gaps, what's it say that RON PAUL still won't endorse Romney?

Ya got to admire his reasoning.

"I've been in this business a long time and believe me there is essentially no difference from one administration to another no matter what the platforms," said Paul, a former hopeful for the GOP nomination.

Both Sides Are Bad so... Vote RON PAUL!

Bless his heart. 

/Not a threadjack, more of a segue, really.
 
2012-10-14 02:16:21 PM  

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?


Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.
 
2012-10-14 02:17:54 PM  
There is this hardcore guns owner, fox news watcher, self proclaimed Republican that told me he is voting for Obama because Mitt doesn't stand for anything. Mitt will say anything to get elected.

/straight up shocked me
//sent him a fruit basket of ammo and an AR-15
 
2012-10-14 02:18:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-14 02:19:49 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Serious Black: Yes, I do, which is why I pointed out that six of the countries represented on the left bar are members of major defense treaties with America and how they would be insane to attack us regardless of how much money they (or we) spend on defense. Putting them on that chart as showing a risk to us and reasons why we need to spend more money is insanity.

I don't think posting that chart implied that those countries were a threat, it was only to demonstrate how out of proportion our defense spending already is compared to the rest of the world.

It would look even more lopsided if we compared our spending to that of our "enemies".


It's actually kind of fun to go to wikipedia and see what each country declares as their armed forces.

Most countries don't field an air force larger than an American squadron, for instance.
It's really pretty... wow. Like, what the fark. The USA has to be ready to take on the entire world, all at the same time?
 
2012-10-14 02:19:55 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?

Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.


Yup.

As an interesting tangent barely related to this discussion, you want to know how deployed civilians like myself are thanked for their service to the country and putting their lives in danger? By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!
 
2012-10-14 02:20:26 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Sock Ruh Tease: [blog.garagepunknyc.com image 400x347]


Will somebody please get that crying eagle a damn drink already?


Romney won't drink with the crying eagle.

Didn't you right-wing farks say just a few years ago you wouldn't trust a President you couldn't have a drink with? Hypocritical farktards.
 
2012-10-14 02:21:26 PM  

Somacandra: Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.


We should do away with early voting in the sense that we shouldn't make "proper voting" a single-day event. Spread it out Thurs-Tues or something.
 
2012-10-14 02:21:41 PM  
GOP has more elderly people that think its somehow cheating to vote before traditional election day in november
 
2012-10-14 02:22:09 PM  

starsrift: The USA has to be ready to take on the entire world, all at the same time?


There's a BEAR in the WOODS.
 
2012-10-14 02:23:11 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Somacandra: Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.

We should do away with early voting in the sense that we shouldn't make "proper voting" a single-day event. Spread it out Thurs-Tues or something.


Presidential election is now national holiday. Problem solved.
 
2012-10-14 02:24:04 PM  

King Something: shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.

I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or earlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters


Do not believe the Obama will win the youth vote in a landslide again rhetoric. I am not seeing it - over 20% of young people who voted for Obama are now apathetic little shiats planning on not voting. Sucks, but that is what the polls have been saying.
 
2012-10-14 02:24:18 PM  

Oldiron_79: GOP has more elderly people morons that think its somehow cheating to vote before traditional election day in november


FTFY
 
2012-10-14 02:24:25 PM  

Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]


i232.photobucket.com
This ones for the ladies. Get your family values here.
 
2012-10-14 02:25:23 PM  

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?

Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.

Yup.

As an interesting tangent barely related to this discussion, you want to know how deployed civilians like myself are thanked for their service to the country and putting their lives in danger? By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!


Serves you right for not being born into wealth!

/kidding of course
 
2012-10-14 02:26:54 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Weaver95: Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.

I misunderestimated (sic) their stupidity, I reckon.


Never misunderestimate the stupidity of people who gave us two Bushes, and a 2nd term for the 2nd one. NEVER FORGET THAT shiat!!
 
2012-10-14 02:27:45 PM  
Just mailed mine in, about 75% d, 25 %r (mostly local races) and a few npa. Damn near every d vote wasn't a vote for d, but rather a vote against the r incumbent.

Got that, ds? If you win, it's not a mandate FOR your platform, it's a mandate AGAINST the recent round of bullshiat we have had from rs!
 
2012-10-14 02:27:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: As an interesting tangent barely related to this discussion, you want to know how deployed civilians like myself are thanked for their service to the country and putting their lives in danger? By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!

Serves you right for not being born into wealth!

/kidding of course


I wonder which unit Zip, Trog and Blert Romney will be deploying with when we invade Iran?
 
2012-10-14 02:28:43 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Presidential election is now national holiday. Problem solved.


That would certainly help, but I'd still prefer the event be stretched out over ~1 week. Somebody is going to have to work, even on a holiday. And collapsing the whole thing down to one day invites short-term vote-caging efforts because you may not have the time to correct the challenge until it's too late. Knowing that someone turned away from the polls on a technicality can come back in a few days and vote anyway would disrupt the GOP effort to suppress legitimate votes.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:13 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Here is what Romney actually said:

Romney said he would not support any funding cuts or downsizing for military and defense programs.

"I will restore our military budget and not cut the military," Romney said. "I can't understand a president ... cutting our military. America's military must be so strong no one would think of testing it."

Because spending twice as much as China on our military just isn't enough.

I'm curious as to how much money Mitt Romney thinks would make our military strong enough that no one would think of testing it. $1 trillion a year? $2 trillion a year? $10 trillion a year?

Enough to satisfy all the defense contractors backing his campaign I imagine.


4% of GDP was the magic figured he sourced rectally during the debate.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:19 PM  

my lip balm addiction: Never misunderestimate the stupidity of people who gave us two Bushes, and a 2nd term for the 2nd one. NEVER FORGET THAT shiat!!


Or the folks that actually took/take Sarah Palin seriously and wanted to put her in the White House as anything other than a maid.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:19 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Mrtraveler01: As an interesting tangent barely related to this discussion, you want to know how deployed civilians like myself are thanked for their service to the country and putting their lives in danger? By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!

Serves you right for not being born into wealth!

/kidding of course

I wonder which unit Zip, Trog and Blert Romney will be deploying with when we invade Iran?


The unit that has a private mansion in France for missionary work obviously.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:42 PM  

Serious Black: By being forced to pay an effective tax rate higher than Mitt Romney's!


i.imgur.com i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-14 02:30:04 PM  

Epoch_Zero: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Somacandra: Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.

We should do away with early voting in the sense that we shouldn't make "proper voting" a single-day event. Spread it out Thurs-Tues or something.

Presidential election is now national holiday. Problem solved.


It would help, but you still have a problem with emergency workers, hospital workers, shut-ins, travelers. There has to be a system for voting remotely when you can't get to a polling place on election day.

/ Live in Oregon
// Vote by mail
///Ballots arrive next week
 
2012-10-14 02:31:10 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: quatchi: There are more self identified Dems than Reps at this point so more Dems voting early should not come as any big surprise but it's still good to note. In terms of the "enthusiasm gap" I have yet to meet anyone I would describe as an "enthusiastic" Romney supporter yet. Heard a few derpers IRL go on about how much they admired Ryan"s "intellect" though. I just laughed at them until they stopped.

Basically, and I know a good number of tea partiers and self proclaimed "libertarians," and none of them like Romney, but say they will vote for him because they don't like Obama. But the "don't like Obama" meme just doesn't provide much inspiration, and, when it comes down to it, the choice to mow the lawn or to vote for Romney may keep a lot of people at home. There are a good number of folks who don't like Obama, but they aren't necessarily motivated to vote for Romney.


What's sad about that is that the libertarian voting bloc in this country is actually quite large. If all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote. Sure, they'd never win, but you'd almost have to take them seriously at that point.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:10 PM  
'Likely voters' is a murky field. 'Registered voters' and 'early voters' leave no room for interpretation.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:40 PM  

Serious Black: The unit that has a private mansion in France for missionary work obviously.


Say what you will but to this very day the Viet Cong has never invaded France. Mitt should be lauded as a hero.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:59 PM  

my lip balm addiction: King Something: shower_in_my_socks: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless.


But then that should be showing up in the "likely voter" polls.

I'm pretty sure "likely voters" means "voters who have voted every election for the past 15 or 20 years," which would exclude voters who are not old enough to have voted in all those elections (a demographic which Obama will win in a landslide).

It might also mean "voters who have voted in more than one presidential election," which would exclude voters whose first presidential election was 2008 -- either they were too young to vote in 2004 or earlier or they didn't care enough, and both groups are likely Obama voters

Do not believe the Obama will win the youth vote in a landslide again rhetoric. I am not seeing it - over 20% of young people who voted for Obama are now apathetic little shiats planning on not voting. Sucks, but that is what the polls have been saying.


What polls have been saying that?

More to the point, what polls have been polling young people enough to even have a chance to say that in the first place?
 
2012-10-14 02:33:08 PM  

CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.


The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).
 
2012-10-14 02:35:26 PM  
and then the republitards will find a way to misplace them all.
 
2012-10-14 02:36:13 PM  
This headline can't be right, I've seen the unskewed polls and my gut agrees.
 
2012-10-14 02:37:50 PM  
NC's early voting starts 10/18. The article says early voting has already begun here; are they counting absentee and provisional votes?

/intends to vote early
//wish I didn't have to listen to all the campaign ads any longer
 
2012-10-14 02:40:30 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: Mrtraveler01: I can see why Republicans in Ohio would want to put a stop to this.

If one of your strategies is to suppress voter turnout - you're on the wrong side.


I don't know, I am of the school of thought that most people are idiots and the idea that everyone's vote counting equally is pretty stupid. The framers of the constitution seem to generally agree as the president is not directly elected via popular vote and nor were senators originally.
 
2012-10-14 02:42:09 PM  

Bendal: /intends to vote early
//wish I didn't have to listen to all the campaign ads any longer



I'm in Ohio and Crossroads is STILL running the "unemployment is above 8%" TV ad.
 
2012-10-14 02:42:38 PM  

Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]


i.chzbgr.com

...has this been done yet?
 
2012-10-14 02:46:32 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Mrtraveler01: That and Romney said in Ohio yesterday something along the lines of spending enough money on Defense to the point that no one would test it.

Made me barf when I heard that on the news last night.


See, all those other countries combined didn't even steal as much money from Medicare as 0bummer did!
 
2012-10-14 02:46:59 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]

[i.chzbgr.com image 401x271]

...has this been done yet?


$50 says that the Unskewed polls guy uses a Hoveround.
 
2012-10-14 02:50:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.

The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).


Yes, the Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans. Most outsiders have a hard time seeing what makes Libertarians all that unique. Think about their supposed mouthpiece--Neal Boortz. He had so much Republican dick in his mouth over the past few years that it was hard to understand what he was saying.
 
2012-10-14 02:50:39 PM  
Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.
 
2012-10-14 02:50:44 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Weaver95: Because most rank and file GOP voters don't understand the implications of another war in the middle east.

Or, inarguably more frightening, they understand another war in the Middle East, especially one that involves Israel, will make the Jeeb come back, whisk all Real Americans to Hebbin', and leave us heathens burning in hell on Earth or what the fark ever.


If it will get the fundy tards off this planet, I say go for it.
 
2012-10-14 02:52:01 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Lionel Mandrake: Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

[i1162.photobucket.com image 259x194]

[i.chzbgr.com image 401x271]

...has this been done yet?

$50 says that the Unskewed polls guy uses a Hoveround.


...paid for by Medicare/Medicaid
 
2012-10-14 02:52:22 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


You sound concerned


//I live for the 'you sound concerned' response.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:19 PM  

Jonny Chimpo: Whiskey Pete: Jonny Chimpo: I will be voting early as I teach at a charter school, so our buildings are not used as polling places, ergo we have school. I was somewhat surprised how easy it was to register to vote, as I had moved to North Carolina but not yet established residency. I had a proof of residency but they didn't ask for it. I will take one when early voting either way.

The one thing is that I have no clue what to do for local offices. Any suggestions for humorous write-in votes?

"Weedlord Bonerhitler" seems to be a new favorite.

I do live in Charlotte, so I may write in Ric Flair for a local office


I'd like to remind you which party brought us Amendment 1 when you are voting on the state level.

For the U.S. House you are either in the 8th or the 12th. Both a gerrymandered to pander to race. The 12th is always going to elect a black guy(Mel Watt pretty much owns it) and the 8th will always be a white guy but they do swing (D) once in a while.

Locally our choices suck. Always have and always will. I have yet to see Charlotte get a city council that acts like adults are running things. It's not always blatant but race dominates local politics and it sucks.

Welcome to Charlotte.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:34 PM  

chuckufarlie: and then the republitards will find a way to misplace them all.


I wish I had a way to know that my vote was being counted. I read an article that proposed that every voter who wanted one could get a copy of another (anonymous) voter's ballot to verify it online. In trial runs, this kind of spot checking of only a few percent of the ballots was very effective in finding errors.
 
2012-10-14 02:56:43 PM  

keytronic: Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.


Please explain why Dems would want lower turnout?
 
2012-10-14 02:58:05 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mrtraveler01: CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.

The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).

Yes, the Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans. Most outsiders have a hard time seeing what makes Libertarians all that unique. Think about their supposed mouthpiece--Neal Boortz. He had so much Republican dick in his mouth over the past few years that it was hard to understand what he was saying.


If I was running one of the big 3rd parties, the Libertarians or Greens, I'd switch from this "the only time you see us is every 4 years when we put up our presidential candidate" strategy to one where they pick a few deep red and deep blue (respectively) state legislature or House seats and go after them hard.

You wouldn't be directly sabotaging your closest aligned major party, and having more people in positions of power, even if it's not at the higher levels, would do wonders to help the brand of the 3rd parties.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:02 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Whiskey Pete: What I don't understand is why the prospect of another war in the Middle East doesn't put even the drooliest Foxtard off of a Romney vote.

They don't think there's going to be a war if Romney is elected. They believe that the world sees America as weak (Apology Tour, duh) and that Romney's tough stance and vast foreign policy experience will force Iran to back down.

/ This is what Republicans actually believe.


Argo was really good, btw.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:28 PM  

CmndrFish: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mrtraveler01: CmndrFish: f all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote.

The issue there is that the Libertarian Party turned into the party of GOP rejects and is really GOP light (except we feel that corporations and people in general should have the right to fark you over without legal recourse even more than the GOP does).

Yes, the Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans. Most outsiders have a hard time seeing what makes Libertarians all that unique. Think about their supposed mouthpiece--Neal Boortz. He had so much Republican dick in his mouth over the past few years that it was hard to understand what he was saying.

If I was running one of the big 3rd parties, the Libertarians or Greens, I'd switch from this "the only time you see us is every 4 years when we put up our presidential candidate" strategy to one where they pick a few deep red and deep blue (respectively) state legislature or House seats and go after them hard.

You wouldn't be directly sabotaging your closest aligned major party, and having more people in positions of power, even if it's not at the higher levels, would do wonders to help the brand of the 3rd parties.


The Libertarians tried that for a while, trying to get on major city councils and running for state senate. People didn't like them, and they got mowed down by the REAL conservatives, the Tea Party.
 
2012-10-14 03:08:00 PM  
Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are
 
2012-10-14 03:10:32 PM  
How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.
 
2012-10-14 03:11:05 PM  

CmndrFish: whizbangthedirtfarmer: quatchi: There are more self identified Dems than Reps at this point so more Dems voting early should not come as any big surprise but it's still good to note. In terms of the "enthusiasm gap" I have yet to meet anyone I would describe as an "enthusiastic" Romney supporter yet. Heard a few derpers IRL go on about how much they admired Ryan"s "intellect" though. I just laughed at them until they stopped.

Basically, and I know a good number of tea partiers and self proclaimed "libertarians," and none of them like Romney, but say they will vote for him because they don't like Obama. But the "don't like Obama" meme just doesn't provide much inspiration, and, when it comes down to it, the choice to mow the lawn or to vote for Romney may keep a lot of people at home. There are a good number of folks who don't like Obama, but they aren't necessarily motivated to vote for Romney.

What's sad about that is that the libertarian voting bloc in this country is actually quite large. If all of them actually got behind the Libertarian Party it's not too far off to say they could pull like 10% of the vote. Sure, they'd never win, but you'd almost have to take them seriously at that point.


The thing is, half of them are just embarrassed Republicans, a quarter of them are misguided hippy stoners (I know lots of those...they're dumb), and the other quarter are MAYBE actual libertarians.
 
2012-10-14 03:11:53 PM  

Serious Black: And I think pointing out that the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Australia, and Canada are all major partners with America shows that our spending is even more out of proportion with the rest of the world since the point of defense spending is ostensibly to keep us safe from danger. Those six countries pose absolutely no danger to us, so trying to match their defense spending is a useless metric.


What sad reasoning is that? Are you implying a difference between 'defense' and 'attack' spending, or that after the number of terrorist attacks the UK suffered they have a tiny fraction of America's riisk? Or let's short cut this and use your numbers. How does the United States' total military spending compare to India's, China's, etc.. Alternately, you can stick to derptisitics and compare its 'defensive spend' to the 'offensive spend' of the 'threats' in North Korea and Iran.
 
2012-10-14 03:13:13 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Whiskey Pete: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Unskewed polls"

Would this man lie to you?

...has this been done yet?


Brown shirt is brown.
 
2012-10-14 03:13:19 PM  

AkaDad: keytronic: Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.

Please explain why Dems would want lower turnout?



Umm..math. Lets say that under a normal election day turnout, the early voters count for 25% of all votes cast, and you're leading among early voters by 60% (as the polls suggest).

Now, lets say that Nov 6 has some bad weather, and a greater proportion of voters than usual sit this one out. Your early voting block, (the block that you have a commanding lead with) just grew to 30% of total votes because of a depressed election day turnout. It would have a huge impact on the outcome.

Again..just plain old math.
 
2012-10-14 03:14:24 PM  

SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.


Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?
 
2012-10-14 03:17:19 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Not necessarily
 
2012-10-14 03:17:35 PM  
I've already voted for Obama.

Oklahoma here, he'll lose by 30%.
 
2012-10-14 03:18:30 PM  

AkaDad: keytronic: Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.

Please explain why Dems would want lower turnout?


Old people hate driving in snow.
 
2012-10-14 03:18:45 PM  
I thought it was because it's common knowledge that the Republicans try to delay/slow down democratic areas, so most of em have learnt to vote earlier to avoid being screwed.
 
2012-10-14 03:18:53 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Not all of this early voting is done by mail. Lots is done with machines at the county clerk's office.
 
2012-10-14 03:19:05 PM  
Old people hate driving in snow.
 
2012-10-14 03:25:41 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Old people hate driving in snow.


But the rest of us enjoy watching them. From a safe distance.
 
2012-10-14 03:30:40 PM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?


While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:02 PM  

SithLord: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?

While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


White conservatism promotes debtors prison and destitution.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:34 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


i.imgur.com

Not in IA or FL at least. This "secret" doesn't even make logical sense, Ballots for elections contain sections for POTUS, Senators, Representatives, all the way down to local boards of trustees, judge retention and constitutional amendments, sheriff, county ag and water commissions. Those votes have to be counted too and they are often close.
 
2012-10-14 03:39:25 PM  

SithLord: While liberalism promotes debt slavery.....


... like all those home owners going broke under Bush, knowing deep down that Obama was on the horizon. The time machine at work again.
 
2012-10-14 03:43:37 PM  
Just a taste of the sweet sweet GOP butthurt to come.

Beat the rush! Be sure to submit that Butthurt Report early guys!
 
2012-10-14 03:46:22 PM  

Somacandra: anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.

Absentee voting is an important part of democracy. I served as an election monitor all day in Detroit in 2004, over two hours away from where I lived. If I hadn't voted absentee, I would have not been able to vote--and you shouldn't have to give up voting to work as a poll monitor. Remember that election day in the USA is usually on a workday for the vast majority of people.


Thats the whole point: to minimize the number of people who vote.

The de-politization of the populace is an important part of maintaining the status quo in a plutocracy.
 
2012-10-14 03:48:55 PM  

SithLord: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?

While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


Look how stupid you are.
 
2012-10-14 04:07:32 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Bullshiat. Out county releases the mail-in ballot totals as soon as the polls close.
 
2012-10-14 04:08:26 PM  
Our*
 
2012-10-14 04:08:45 PM  

AkaDad: keytronic: Man if you're GOP right now, you're praying for the hottest Ohio November in history.

If you're a Dem, you're praying for record snow on Nov 6.

Please explain why Dems would want lower turnout?


Not to mention the fact that Cleveland/Akron has lake-effect snowstorms that Cincinnati doesn't get, and Cleveland/Akron is highly Democratic while Cincinnati is the opposite.
 
2012-10-14 04:15:30 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


This is untrue in places like Colorado, where almost 80% of votes were cast in early voting in 2008.
 
2012-10-14 04:21:34 PM  

SithLord: While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


Weak.
 
2012-10-14 04:30:03 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are

This is untrue in places like Colorado, where almost 80% of votes were cast in early voting in 2008.


But it's true in OR, where 100% of votes are by mail

/wait, what?
 
2012-10-14 04:36:47 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are

This is untrue in places like Colorado, where almost 80% of votes were cast in early voting in 2008.

But it's true in OR, where 100% of votes are by mail

/wait, what?


Holey Jeebus, I completely missed that. You guys don't even have polling places? How is Diebold supposed to steal the election?
 
2012-10-14 04:37:13 PM  
Whiskey Pete: Oldiron_79: GOP has more elderly people morons that think its somehow cheating to vote before traditional election day in november

FTFY


I don't debate that elderly alzheimer patient types that drive buiks are morans
 
2012-10-14 04:38:03 PM  
I'm not sure this really means much. There are still a few weeks to go.
 
2012-10-14 04:42:02 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way


4 GOP staffers indicted in "blatant and disgraceful" election fraud
http://politic365.com/2012/08/09/4-republican-staffers-indicted-for-b l atant-and-disgraceful-voter-fraud-in-michigan/

Proven GOP voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convic ted-in-voter-fraud-case.html?_r=1

More GOP fraud. This time in Massachusetts
http://www.wgbhnews.org/post/galvin-calls-voter-fraud-allegations-pre t ty-extreme

GOP voter fraud in Texas
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Fort-Bend-candidate-v o ted-twice-in-same-3937458.php

More suspicious voter forms found in Florida
After reports of irregularities, state GOP fires company hired to register people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49227596/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/# . UGjV_hi7ZGY
 
2012-10-14 04:46:35 PM  
Just three questions:

1) What's the rule if you cast an early vote, but then you die before the date of the actual election?

b) Is there a list anywhere of early voters who have voted Libtard I mean Democrat?

Thirdly, and totally unconnected to the above questions in any way, does anyone know where I can get cheap, reliable ammo, or a bulk discount? 


/just kidding of course - I already know where to get the ammo
 
2012-10-14 04:56:55 PM  

DubyaHater: Lets not start sucking each other's dicks yet. We need a massive turnout on November 6th. I don't like early bragging
/Obama 2012


good point. Especially since that kind of behavior may well land us in county if we screw this up and send in Mittens.
 
2012-10-14 04:57:30 PM  

Weaver95: i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!


Make sure the tape over the door locks isn't as obvious this time.

/too obscure?
 
2012-10-14 05:02:01 PM  

SithLord: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SithLord: How often are they voting? Multiple states, counties? Using the names of the dead? Are illegals voting with multiple names? That's why they're outpacing conservatives.

Couldn't be that people reject conservatism as a bastion of hate, intolerance, and ignorance, right?

While liberalism promotes debt slavery and welfare.


Interesting...just going by this, it seems that liberals are more concerned about people, while conservatives are more concerned about money.

I'm going to go parse some other arguments and see if I can add to my confirmation bias here.
 
2012-10-14 05:02:18 PM  

Bucky Katt: I'm not sure this really means much. There are still a few weeks to go.


You got that right. Calling it now based on the presumptions involved in sample polling etc. is about precise as whatever a gypsy reading tea leaves might predict.

/On second thought,"Tea leaves" may not make for the best analogy, under the circumstances

//Make that me calling the outcome of the Falcons/Raiders game when it was tied, earlier
 
2012-10-14 05:05:04 PM  
It could be a Mormon Bradely Effect. Conservatives tell pollsters they're voting for Romney, but in actuality, they can't bring themselves to vote for a cultest.
 
2012-10-14 05:05:17 PM  

my lip balm addiction: . I am not seeing it - over 20% of young people who voted for Obama are now apathetic little shiats planning on not voting.


That's how you take that? Many are just really disappointed and find our political system hopeless. I'm one of those people (for the most part) but I get my ballot mailed to me every election, so it would be pretty stupid not to vote. I voted for Obama (was tempted to vote 3rd party just because CA is solid blue) but I cared more about the propositions.
 
2012-10-14 05:05:51 PM  

Gwyrddu: Interestingly, if Obama wins Ohio and Iowa, the two states where he has a big lead in early voting, he'll still win the election even if he loses all the other battleground states.

Link


Those are some nice boxes of early cast ballots you got there, shame if something were to happen to them.
 
2012-10-14 05:12:29 PM  
randomjsa:
imageshack.us
At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.
imageshack.us 

I expect better from someone being paid to post.
 
2012-10-14 05:15:31 PM  

Raharu: randomjsa:
[imageshack.us image 320x75]
At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.
[imageshack.us image 320x144] 

I expect better from someone being paid to post.


If that poor guy in the pic got a royalty for every time we used him he could buy working chromosomes.
 
2012-10-14 05:17:39 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesnt matter how many vote by mail. The real test will be election day GOTV efforts. Dirty little secret, they dont so even touch the mail-in ballots unless the race margin is within a certain percentage. So just remember to vote at your locl precinct on election day, no matter which party you are


Not so in Oregon, where everyone votes by mail, and with a little "cushion time" before Voting Day, to make sure everyone can participate. It's a damned good way to do it.
 
2012-10-14 05:18:33 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 350x480]


And not a minute too soon!
 
2012-10-14 05:23:34 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Just three questions:

1) What's the rule if you cast an early vote, but then you die before the date of the actual election?

b) Is there a list anywhere of early voters who have voted Libtard I mean Democrat?

Thirdly, and totally unconnected to the above questions in any way, does anyone know where I can get cheap, reliable ammo, or a bulk discount? 


/just kidding of course - I already know where to get the ammo


I can answer the first two questions:

A) If the ballot is filled out properly, it will be counted, even if the voter dies before election day. Barack Obama's grandmother died just before election day in 2008 but had cast an absentee ballot shortly before she shuffled off this mortal coil.

2) No, there is no way of knowing which voters voted for which candidates. You can make an educated guess as to how specific people vote (registered Democrats are unlikely to vote for Republican candidates and vice-versa, and the lists of registered voters may or may not be public information), but unless you have access to the list of who voted when, the actual ballots and some way of tying individual ballots to individual persons, you've got absolutely no way of knowing for certain which early voters were voting for Obama and/or against yet another trillion-dollar land war in Asia, and which voters were voting for Not-Obama.
 
2012-10-14 05:33:48 PM  

Bucky Katt: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way

4 GOP staffers indicted in "blatant and disgraceful" election fraud
http://politic365.com/2012/08/09/4-republican-staffers-indicted-for-b l atant-and-disgraceful-voter-fraud-in-michigan/

Proven GOP voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convic ted-in-voter-fraud-case.html?_r=1

More GOP fraud. This time in Massachusetts
http://www.wgbhnews.org/post/galvin-calls-voter-fraud-allegations-pre t ty-extreme

GOP voter fraud in Texas
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Fort-Bend-candidate-v o ted-twice-in-same-3937458.php

More suspicious voter forms found in Florida
After reports of irregularities, state GOP fires company hired to register people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49227596/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/# . UGjV_hi7ZGY


HA! A bunch of liberal mainstream MSM medias...like I'm going to fall for that!

/this is how "conservatives" actually think
 
2012-10-14 05:43:47 PM  
I expect Obama to also be leading with late and deceased voters.

/my headline was better
 
2012-10-14 05:46:42 PM  

King Something: A) If the ballot is filled out properly, it will be counted, even if the voter dies before election day. Barack Obama's grandmother died just before election day in 2008 but had cast an absentee ballot shortly before she shuffled off this mortal coil.


Shucks, then the other two questions are moot.


(thank you for a serious answer, genuinely curious about that)
 
2012-10-14 05:51:33 PM  

Whiskey Pete: If that poor guy in the pic got a royalty for every time we used him he could buy working chromosomes.


Thanks asshole. You made me laugh, and now Im going to hell because of it!
 
2012-10-14 05:54:51 PM  

Bucky Katt: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Vote early and often, it's the Democrat way

4 GOP staffers indicted in "blatant and disgraceful" election fraud
http://politic365.com/2012/08/09/4-republican-staffers-indicted-for-b l atant-and-disgraceful-voter-fraud-in-michigan/

Proven GOP voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convic ted-in-voter-fraud-case.html?_r=1

More GOP fraud. This time in Massachusetts
http://www.wgbhnews.org/post/galvin-calls-voter-fraud-allegations-pre t ty-extreme

GOP voter fraud in Texas
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Fort-Bend-candidate-v o ted-twice-in-same-3937458.php

More suspicious voter forms found in Florida
After reports of irregularities, state GOP fires company hired to register people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49227596/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/# . UGjV_hi7ZGY


And hires them right back.

www.bradblog.com
 
2012-10-14 06:15:35 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Im a merchant mariner who will be out of country in november.

Im not military. I shouldnt be allowed to vote?
 
2012-10-14 06:33:27 PM  

socratesthekidd: anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.

Im a merchant mariner who will be out of country in november.

Im not military. I shouldnt be allowed to vote?


That depends on who you are trying to vote for.
 
2012-10-14 06:36:27 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Weaver95: i'm actually heading down to DNC headquarters in about an hour or so. anyone in/near the Carlisle area is more than welcome to join me!

Make sure the tape over the door locks isn't as obvious this time.

/too obscure?


lol

/nothing is obscure on Fark
 
2012-10-14 06:46:18 PM  

Weaver95: Whiskey Pete: starsrift: Whiskey Pete: I have another theory: What Romney and Ryan would do to this country if elected frightens even the most lackadaisical voters shiatless. I think this will be reflected in the outcome.

I don't understand.

How can you not want this magical budget of a 20% tax cut across the board, a 2 trillion increase in military spending, a maintain of social spending, and elimination of the deficit, all paid for via closing a few tax code loopholes that only detrimentally impact the 1%?

I think it's fantastic.

I'm looking forward to the all-expenses paid trip to Iran! Of course after a dozen years of war Romney will have to reinstate the draft instate "compulsory patriotism" in order to have enough cannon fodder.

the GOP policy of no abortions and no birth control suddenly starts to make a lot more sense....


We're going to have a 40-year war?

I guess that would follow.
 
2012-10-14 06:55:55 PM  

Gyrfalcon:

We're going to have a 40-year war?

I guess that would follow.


Pfft... Europe has already scored the 60 years war and the 100 years war. You think Romney's going to be outdone by a bunch of limp wristed Frenchmen?
 
2012-10-14 07:07:15 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 350x480]



OK, I luld.
 
2012-10-14 07:18:03 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: There are a good number of folks who don't like Obama, but they aren't necessarily motivated to vote for Romney.


Gary Johnson is getting 6% of the vote in New Mexico.
Weirdly, Obama was ahead of Romney in the most recent poll in Arizona.
 
2012-10-14 07:18:19 PM  

Evil High Priest: socratesthekidd: anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.

Im a merchant mariner who will be out of country in november.

Im not military. I shouldnt be allowed to vote?

That depends on who you are trying to vote for.


Vermin supreme/Colbert?
 
2012-10-14 07:19:55 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans


Libertarians are Republicans on fiscal policy and Democrats on social policy.
You'd think this would be more popular, but it's not.
 
2012-10-14 07:23:46 PM  

cloud_van_dame: Libertarians are Republicans on fiscal policy and Democrats on social policy.
You'd think this would be more popular, but it's not.



Libertarians are against government money going towards business. That is why they aren't more desirable.
 
2012-10-14 07:25:04 PM  

cloud_van_dame: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Libertarians are a pretty weak group, and are basically just a group of disaffected Republicans

Libertarians are Republicans on fiscal policy and Democrats on social policy.
You'd think this would be more popular, but it's not.


Except around here. Here, the Libertarians are the new neo-fascist party.

That's why I became a Democrat.
 
2012-10-14 07:29:48 PM  
 
2012-10-14 07:34:16 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Those of us working in embassies and consulates abroad would like to invite you to eat a bag of dicks.
 
2012-10-14 07:53:51 PM  

cloud_van_dame: Libertarians are Republicans on fiscal policy and Democrats on social policy.

 

The most recent incarnation didn't last long before it was apparently co-opted by far right whack-jobs. Reason was a decent magazine at one time, in a matter of months it turned into Fox Lite.
 
2012-10-14 09:01:05 PM  
Presenting the world newest Mormon, still wet behind the ears from that post baptism..


i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-14 09:01:54 PM  

Weaver95: Whiskey Pete: Weaver95: the GOP policy of no abortions and no birth control suddenly starts to make a lot more sense....

I've actually seen posts in the Freepersphere indicating that Iran poses a threat to 'Murica and that "something needs to be done". I often wish I was Canadian.

yeah, every time a Republican starts talking about invading Iran I ask them when they're going to join up and can I give them a lift to the enlistment center....they almost always change the subject at that point.


... Or bring up previously unknown "medical conditions".
 
2012-10-14 09:25:42 PM  
With people like tht why have debates. Just vote your blind allegiance and leave the rest of us to decide the election.
 
2012-10-14 10:08:54 PM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


not sure if trolling, or republican.
 
2012-10-14 10:39:11 PM  
President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney are neck and neck in opinion polls

I still have trouble grasping this one, imagining that there are that many spiteful ignorant people out there who think Romney is a "clear choice." Dude is farking scary. Who wants to elect a scary out of touch fark to the Presidency?

Not sure I really want to know why.
 
2012-10-14 11:12:41 PM  
Most states have not started in-person early voting, so the article must be referring to absentee voting. Military absentee ballots have not been mailed yet to my knowledge, so the bulk of those votes are college kids who can't make it home.

So the headline should accurately read, "Obama popular among college kids." And therefore should have the "Obvious" tag.
 
2012-10-15 12:03:11 AM  

whidbey: President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney are neck and neck in opinion polls

I still have trouble grasping this one, imagining that there are that many spiteful ignorant people out there who think Romney is a "clear choice." Dude is farking scary. Who wants to elect a scary out of touch fark to the Presidency?

Not sure I really want to know why.


Do I need to remind you that the current president is not white?
 
2012-10-15 01:40:17 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: Sock Ruh Tease: [blog.garagepunknyc.com image 400x347]


Will somebody please get that crying eagle a damn drink already?


media.syracuse.com 

www.toledoblade.com

caucuses.desmoinesregister.com
 
2012-10-15 01:58:34 AM  

anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.


Ah yes, we should do everything we can to keep people from voting to prevent fraud that doesn't exist.


Republicans. Cheat to win.
 
2012-10-15 02:06:24 AM  

Proteios1: With people like tht why have debates. Just vote your blind allegiance and leave the rest of us to decide the election.


Not everyone needs a reality TV popularity contest to know the positions that candidates have already outlined.

But then some of us can count higher than potato.
 
2012-10-15 02:50:54 AM  

bigtommyg: Most states have not started in-person early voting, so the article must be referring to absentee voting. Military absentee ballots have not been mailed yet to my knowledge, so the bulk of those votes are college kids who can't make it home.

So the headline should accurately read, "Obama popular among college kids." And therefore should have the "Obvious" tag.


My county started early in-person voting last week, and absentee ballots were in the voter's hot little hands last Wednesday.

/but don't let being wrong stop you from making your partisan rant
 
2012-10-15 03:16:06 AM  
So here's my question. If Democrats get what they want with early voting AND Republicans get what they want with Voter ID, how do you provide your ID when you mail in your ballot?

/Dun dun DUN!!!
//Probably would show the ID at registration, but I dunno
 
2012-10-15 05:00:42 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: anarchy_x: with the exception of military, there should be no early/mail in voting. It invites fraud.

Fraud on the part of the voter, or on the part of the people who count the votes? Because if it's the latter then I agree. I won't vote early because I don't trust my DERPy republican state-government to not toss all the early votes from my left-leaning county into a giant kiln.


I'm registered in a right-leaning county, and on top of that I'm registered Republican. I'm not worried about them throwing my vote out, much like I wasn't worried about them accidentally purging me from the rolls.
 
2012-10-15 05:56:34 AM  

randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.


I've come to expect a higher level of Maximum Trolling from you. Stop phoning it in.

Don't let me down. Because I hate it when I get attached to a troll only to find out they're simply an asshole.
 
2012-10-15 03:07:39 PM  

dickfreckle: randomjsa: At this point we're calling that the desperation gap.

I've come to expect a higher level of Maximum Trolling from you. Stop phoning it in.

Don't let me down. Because I hate it when I get attached to a troll only to find out they're simply an asshole.


We need to talk. I have some bad news...
 
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