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2012-10-14 09:54:30 PM  

Evi1Bo1weevi1: I honestly can't believe the amount of sheer denial in this thread. I've lived in the south most of my life and in Cali for the past five years and I have heard rednecks like you assholes refer to gay men as fruitcakes thousands of times. Either you people live in caves or you are a basement dwellers who don't get out much. Either way, STFU. Either don't know what you are talking about or just horrible bigots.


I think that's definitely true for some in this thread, but not all of them. Many are too young to know the term. (And wrongly assume that therefore, that interpretation is somehow invalid.) But I really do think that for many straight people, it's easier to believe that CFA means it innocently rather than that they're gay-baiting. And were it just about anyone but CFA, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
2012-10-14 10:03:47 PM  

TheHappyCanadian: sandbar67: Coco LaFemme: Last I checked, calling someone a fruitcake meant they were crazy, not gay. So subtard, what exactly is the point, here?

Guess its been a while since you checked. Here, let me Urban Dictionary that for you Link

wow, that site is full of neat suff! like here:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sandbar

1. Sandbar : The act of wetting your penis and covering it with sand, then sticking it inside of a girl's ass

4. sandbar : The area between the dick and the ass. Also referred to as the grundle or gooch.

5. sandbar : The act of becoming exuberantly inebriated with a sibling of the same sex and proceding to engender in one sided anal innercourse. "(to) sandbar"

huh, learn something new every day

oh and I'm 29 and have never heard "fruitcake" referring to a gay person, just someone crazy.


You're young. That's all. 29 isn't worldly wise, it's "no-longer-fall-down-drunk-on-the-way-home". You think you're this erudite master of knowledge, but all you've really mastered is the Canadian sport of sarcasm. Which, I feel I should tell you, won't get you very far after 29. It's good for shutting up people ten years younger than you are now, but you'll find it's a lot different ten years from now, when you're facing down some smart-ass 29-year-old know-it-all online. At some point, you're going to have to prove you can actually sort and evaluate information intelligently, not just sound clever.
 
2012-10-14 10:05:31 PM  
Sylvia_Bandersnatch:

Those in this thread saying they're unfamiliar with 'fruit' or 'fruitcake' as a gay slur aren't too old, as some of them (all of them younger than me, I'll wager) think, but too young.

Fruit, yes; Fruitcake, no. And I'm 66. Fruitcake = "nutty as a"
 
2012-10-14 10:08:46 PM  
Sorry 'bout all the bold.

/HTML, how do it work?
 
2012-10-14 10:30:25 PM  

CruJones: Once in a blue moon I buy a 64 nugget tray for myself on a Saturday. Eat about half while watching college football, phone turned off, just chilling. Then, on Sunday, I HAVE CHICK FIL A AND YOU DON'T! The second half are for nfl games. Less calories and fat than a large pizza, plus they last longer.

/no, I'm actually not fat


You mother ricket! That is genius. I always end up wanting Chik-Fil-A on Sundays... but I could never figure out how to pull it off. Now I know.
 
2012-10-14 11:11:43 PM  

L.D. Ablo: I actually eat fruitcake. It's tasty!

[blogs.sfweekly.com image 400x300]


Me too. But I'm also a big fan of McRibs so take it for what it's worth.
 
2012-10-14 11:15:21 PM  

IronTechV1: Corn_Fed: Of COURSE this is a plausible-deniability slur against gay people. "Fruitcake" was a VERY common slur against gay people 30-40 years ago, deriving from the even-more common slur "fruit".

I'm pretty sure I was around for the time period you're talking about there (checking driver's license... yup) and, while I do remember a lot of common derogatory epithets for homosexuality, 'fruitcake' certainly isn't among them.

Maybe this slang-usage isn't and never was as prevalent nation-wide as a handful of people are thinking. Sure, it may have been prevalent in some specific region or among some specific cultural segment, but it certainly looks to me, looking at the comments, there's a huge case to be made for it not being a nationwide-common-knowledge usage of the word, now or in the past of any living generation the ad would target.


I want to give you credit for being sincere and trying to make a good case. I appreciate that, I really do. But you're unfortunately mistaken. This usage was common enough, not very long ago (20-30 years is about right, though), that it was used in films and television. Including much more recently. (Warning: bad werdz, some ugly personalities) YOU're not familiar with it. That's okay, but it doesn't make you knowledgeable about it. And a lot of other people here are younger, and may have never heard it used that way. (Or more likely, just forgot, since this usage has declined a lot in the last couple decades. Most of us don't retain infrequently used slang.)
 
2012-10-14 11:16:52 PM  

IronTechV1: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The slogan could have been "Only a nimrod wouldn't love our party trays!" and you'd have dozens of people in a thread like this claiming that "nimrod" is a commonly used derogatory term for homosexuals in their neck of the woods. The truth doesn't matter, only the satisfaction they recieve from being offended.

Agreed. Offense will be wherever someone looks for it.


..or, it's possible I've given you too much credit, and you're just an idiot.
 
2012-10-14 11:17:28 PM  

IronTechV1: Jon iz teh kewl: what if they said:

only a carrot wouldn't love our party trays

what would you think then

Ah-hah! It's their grand conspiracy to use double-meaning words to pick on carrot-top redheads while keeping plausible deniability!


..or an asshole.
 
2012-10-14 11:18:15 PM  

IronTechV1: And let's all get serious, most of the folks in this forum using the term 'plausible deniability' are kids who have heard the term used in a movie and thought it sounded cool. The others are folks with limited vocabulary who want to pin a flower onto their sentence.


So which one are you?
 
2012-10-14 11:21:07 PM  

truthseeker2083: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: truthseeker2083: david_gaithersburg: fiver5: The most important thing to do is get all butthurt about it.

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Buthurt definitely sounds like a gay slur.

Only if done wrong.

Ha ha! Because homosexuals have ANAL SEX -- sex in their buttholes, that can cause *snrk* BUTTHURT!! Oh, man, that's some comedy gold there.

Calm down Sparky. Do you always get excited over lame jokes?


Only yours. You're a comic genius! Why are you wasting your time here? There's a whole career waiting for you, opening for John Valby.
 
2012-10-14 11:25:52 PM  

BradleyUffner: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: hogans: Who pitched the ad, Anita Bryant?

/Somebody's got to remember her

Funny you should mention her in this thread..

"Bryant became one of the first persons to be publicly "pied" as a political act (in her case, on television), in Des Moines in 1977. Bryant quipped "At least it's a fruit pie", apparently making a pun on the derogatory term for a gay man ("fruit"). While covered in pie, she began to pray to God to forgive the activist "for his deviant lifestyle" before bursting into tears as the cameras kept rolling."

Those in this thread saying they're unfamiliar with 'fruit' or 'fruitcake' as a gay slur aren't too old, as some of them (all of them younger than me, I'll wager) think, but too young.


I don't think anyone is arguing that "Fruit" isn't slang for "Gay". Everyone I see up in arms is saying that "Fruitcake" is a completely different, and I agree with them.


I'm going to ask you to please repost this more clearly. I'm not making sense of it. It sounds like you're saying that those defending the usage are up in arms, or that those suspicious of the usage think it wouldn't mean 'gay,' and neither of those interpretations makes sense in context. Please clarify.
 
2012-10-14 11:30:06 PM  

crabsno termites: Sylvia_Bandersnatch:

Those in this thread saying they're unfamiliar with 'fruit' or 'fruitcake' as a gay slur aren't too old, as some of them (all of them younger than me, I'll wager) think, but too young.

Fruit, yes; Fruitcake, no. And I'm 66. Fruitcake = "nutty as a"


It is a tertiary usage, not common in daily American English. But it was common derogatory street slang well within my lifetime, so certainly within yours. It's possibly you've just lived a good clean life, only know nice people, and have never watched gritty films or late-night TV shows from 30 years ago. As a member of the queer community, I can assure you that this is a term pretty much every queer person over a certain age -- and not yet old -- has heard used this way.
 
2012-10-14 11:31:01 PM  

crabsno termites: Sorry 'bout all the bold.

/HTML, how do it work?


We've all done it, and will again. At least twice, I've hyperlinked entire posts. Always impresses the ladies, that one.
 
2012-10-14 11:35:05 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: BradleyUffner: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: hogans: Who pitched the ad, Anita Bryant?

/Somebody's got to remember her

Funny you should mention her in this thread..

"Bryant became one of the first persons to be publicly "pied" as a political act (in her case, on television), in Des Moines in 1977. Bryant quipped "At least it's a fruit pie", apparently making a pun on the derogatory term for a gay man ("fruit"). While covered in pie, she began to pray to God to forgive the activist "for his deviant lifestyle" before bursting into tears as the cameras kept rolling."

Those in this thread saying they're unfamiliar with 'fruit' or 'fruitcake' as a gay slur aren't too old, as some of them (all of them younger than me, I'll wager) think, but too young.


I don't think anyone is arguing that "Fruit" isn't slang for "Gay". Everyone I see up in arms is saying that "Fruitcake" is a completely different, and I agree with them.

I'm going to ask you to please repost this more clearly. I'm not making sense of it. It sounds like you're saying that those defending the usage are up in arms, or that those suspicious of the usage think it wouldn't mean 'gay,' and neither of those interpretations makes sense in context. Please clarify.


Your post implies that people are saying that both "Fruit" and "Fruitcake" are not slurs for "Gay". I'm saying that no one is arguing about the term "Fruit", everyone seems to agree that it is a slur for "Gay". All of the discussion seems to be about "Fruitcake"
 
2012-10-14 11:35:53 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: truthseeker2083: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: truthseeker2083: david_gaithersburg: fiver5: The most important thing to do is get all butthurt about it.

.
.
Buthurt definitely sounds like a gay slur.

Only if done wrong.

Ha ha! Because homosexuals have ANAL SEX -- sex in their buttholes, that can cause *snrk* BUTTHURT!! Oh, man, that's some comedy gold there.

Calm down Sparky. Do you always get excited over lame jokes?

Only yours. You're a comic genius! Why are you wasting your time here? There's a whole career waiting for you, opening for John Valby.


So we're in that head space... I see. Well, I guess not everyone can appreciate a gay man making a rather lame gay joke.....
 
2012-10-15 12:32:16 AM  

BradleyUffner: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: BradleyUffner: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: hogans: Who pitched the ad, Anita Bryant?

/Somebody's got to remember her

Funny you should mention her in this thread..

"Bryant became one of the first persons to be publicly "pied" as a political act (in her case, on television), in Des Moines in 1977. Bryant quipped "At least it's a fruit pie", apparently making a pun on the derogatory term for a gay man ("fruit"). While covered in pie, she began to pray to God to forgive the activist "for his deviant lifestyle" before bursting into tears as the cameras kept rolling."

Those in this thread saying they're unfamiliar with 'fruit' or 'fruitcake' as a gay slur aren't too old, as some of them (all of them younger than me, I'll wager) think, but too young.


I don't think anyone is arguing that "Fruit" isn't slang for "Gay". Everyone I see up in arms is saying that "Fruitcake" is a completely different, and I agree with them.

I'm going to ask you to please repost this more clearly. I'm not making sense of it. It sounds like you're saying that those defending the usage are up in arms, or that those suspicious of the usage think it wouldn't mean 'gay,' and neither of those interpretations makes sense in context. Please clarify.

Your post implies that people are saying that both "Fruit" and "Fruitcake" are not slurs for "Gay". I'm saying that no one is arguing about the term "Fruit", everyone seems to agree that it is a slur for "Gay". All of the discussion seems to be about "Fruitcake"


You're wasting both our time.
 
2012-10-15 12:48:57 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
Your post implies that people are saying that both "Fruit" and "Fruitcake" are not slurs for "Gay". I'm saying that no one is arguing about the term "Fruit", everyone seems to agree that it is a slur for "Gay". All of the discussion seems to be about "Fruitcake"

You're wasting both our time.

 

If you aren't interested in facts then I guess you are right.
 
2012-10-15 12:50:14 AM  
i've seen the commercial.
I've heard both fruit and fruitcake used as a derogatory term for homosexual.

scroll down on Dictionary.com:

fruitcake definition

n.
a silly-acting person. (Also a term of address.) : You can be such a silly fruitcake sometimes.
n.
a male homosexual. (Rude and derogatory. An elaboration of fruit.) : We went into this bar, but it was filled with fruitcakes, so we left.
 
2012-10-15 01:14:57 AM  

Evi1Bo1weevi1: I honestly can't believe the amount of sheer denial in this thread. I've lived in the south most of my life and in Cali for the past five years and I have heard rednecks like you assholes refer to gay men as fruitcakes thousands of times. Either you people live in caves or you are a basement dwellers who don't get out much. Either way, STFU. Either don't know what you are talking about or just horrible bigots.


I think it must be this. We -are- on FARK, after all.
 
2012-10-15 08:05:03 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Last I checked, calling someone a fruitcake meant they were crazy, not gay. So subtard, what exactly is the point, here?


I was wondering the same thing.

In an election year, when the dim-witted majority just isn't accepting your golden child candidate as the salvation of civilization (comrade), you have to drum up some flag-waving and dog-whistling issues.

The dog-whistle here is that if you don't immediate fawn all over gay people, you're a racist, bigot, homophobe and probably sexist. Oh and classist too.
 
2012-10-15 09:59:16 AM  
Semantically, Chik-fil-A is in the clear...
But they need to fire their PR guys...
I like their food and continue to buy it despite their homophobia, but there will come a time will I will just stop giving them my business and go elsewhere.
 
2012-10-15 01:22:11 PM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: LRA61380: Like the article says it's possible Chick-fil-A just didn't know, somehow, that "fruitcake" is a really common slang term for gay. That's definitely not how I read the ad, though.

As a gay man, allow me to say that I've not once heard anyone refer to homosexuals as "fruitcakes".


As another gay man, allow me to say that I have. In fact, I've heard it more used to mean gay than crazy, so that I would also take it to mean a gay person over a crazy person. Although I am very young, fruitcake isn't a popular way to call someone crazy anymore.
 
2012-10-15 01:37:37 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Never had a problem with gays until they were held up as a "protected class", which they are EVERY SINGLE farkING DAY ON THIS SITE.


Too bad there isn't a vaccination or cure for gays and pedophiles.

 

i410.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-15 08:55:34 PM  

chatikh: Inquisitive Inquisitor: LRA61380: Like the article says it's possible Chick-fil-A just didn't know, somehow, that "fruitcake" is a really common slang term for gay. That's definitely not how I read the ad, though.

As a gay man, allow me to say that I've not once heard anyone refer to homosexuals as "fruitcakes".

As another gay man, allow me to say that I have. In fact, I've heard it more used to mean gay than crazy, so that I would also take it to mean a gay person over a crazy person. Although I am very young, fruitcake isn't a popular way to call someone crazy anymore.


As a staight man in my 30s I've also heard the term "fruitcake" to refer to people as gay in a derogatory way. Kids flung the term around all the time back when I was in middle school and high school when kids felt like being verbally abusive. It was par for the course to say "fruitcake" instead of "gay." Kids are stupid and mean. Whoddathunk?!

Also, I asked my girlfriend, who is 29, "what does fruitcake mean?" and without a second thought she said, "derogatory slang for gay?"

/maybe it's a regional thing
 
2012-10-16 06:54:46 PM  

Night Night Cream Puff: chatikh: Inquisitive Inquisitor: LRA61380: Like the article says it's possible Chick-fil-A just didn't know, somehow, that "fruitcake" is a really common slang term for gay. That's definitely not how I read the ad, though.

As a gay man, allow me to say that I've not once heard anyone refer to homosexuals as "fruitcakes".

As another gay man, allow me to say that I have. In fact, I've heard it more used to mean gay than crazy, so that I would also take it to mean a gay person over a crazy person. Although I am very young, fruitcake isn't a popular way to call someone crazy anymore.

As a staight man in my 30s I've also heard the term "fruitcake" to refer to people as gay in a derogatory way. Kids flung the term around all the time back when I was in middle school and high school when kids felt like being verbally abusive. It was par for the course to say "fruitcake" instead of "gay." Kids are stupid and mean. Whoddathunk?!

Also, I asked my girlfriend, who is 29, "what does fruitcake mean?" and without a second thought she said, "derogatory slang for gay?"

/maybe it's a regional thing


Maybe in the same areas where people mistakenly call a carbonated drink of any brand a Coke they use fruitcake and where they properly call them by the correct brand name they use fruit?

It could be an interesting study as there are other similarities like where people drink their ice tea black like it should be or polluted with sugar to make it sweet or whether people play Euchre or Pitch.
 
2012-10-16 08:35:17 PM  
OK, so, apathetic and insensitive straight people really annoy me. No, the gay community and our allies are not seeking offense. It would be great if homophobia didn't exist. But it does.

The word fruitcake has been and still definitely is used against especially feminine gay men and trans individuals. It HAS been used as a gay slur. I'm gay and have seen and heard people using it as a gay slur, and I'm 23. You have to quite frankly be desensitized to homophobia or blinded by homophobia to not have heard/seen fruitcake used against gays. So no, no-one is trying to create an issue. The term fruitcake in certain contexts is a pejorative, and Chick-fil-A is a homophobic company. No surprise people did the math in their head and came to the conclusion this was an intentional dig.

No-one is really outraged, as if being offended by blatant homophobia is somehow PC. This was either a stupid oversight or homophobic marketing campaign. Either way, CFA is a bigoted organization and their reputation is already in the dirt with millions. This is simply yet another dagger.
 
2012-10-17 03:26:09 PM  

101flyboy: OK, so, apathetic and insensitive straight people really annoy me. No, the gay community and our allies are not seeking offense. It would be great if homophobia didn't exist. But it does.

The word fruitcake has been and still definitely is used against especially feminine gay men and trans individuals. It HAS been used as a gay slur. I'm gay and have seen and heard people using it as a gay slur, and I'm 23. You have to quite frankly be desensitized to homophobia or blinded by homophobia to not have heard/seen fruitcake used against gays. So no, no-one is trying to create an issue. The term fruitcake in certain contexts is a pejorative, and Chick-fil-A is a homophobic company. No surprise people did the math in their head and came to the conclusion this was an intentional dig.

No-one is really outraged, as if being offended by blatant homophobia is somehow PC. This was either a stupid oversight or homophobic marketing campaign. Either way, CFA is a bigoted organization and their reputation is already in the dirt with millions. This is simply yet another dagger.


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-10-17 08:31:56 PM  

101flyboy: OK, so, apathetic and insensitive straight people really annoy me. No, the gay community and our allies are not seeking offense. It would be great if homophobia didn't exist. But it does.

The word fruitcake has been and still definitely is used against especially feminine gay men and trans individuals. It HAS been used as a gay slur. I'm gay and have seen and heard people using it as a gay slur, and I'm 23. You have to quite frankly be desensitized to homophobia or blinded by homophobia to not have heard/seen fruitcake used against gays. So no, no-one is trying to create an issue. The term fruitcake in certain contexts is a pejorative, and Chick-fil-A is a homophobic company. No surprise people did the math in their head and came to the conclusion this was an intentional dig.

No-one is really outraged, as if being offended by blatant homophobia is somehow PC. This was either a stupid oversight or homophobic marketing campaign. Either way, CFA is a bigoted organization and their reputation is already in the dirt with millions. This is simply yet another dagger.


I would say you are mostly correct. My own experience has been that the term is used for effeminate men whether they are lodge members or not. Of course, as mentioned up-thread, I think it is regional.
 
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