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2012-10-14 08:32:17 AM  
Adults need sandwiches too.
 
2012-10-14 08:42:18 AM  
Until they hit 39 and all of a sudden they want to breed more than that chick in Species.
 
2012-10-14 09:37:11 AM  
I have no problem with people who don't want kids not having them. I love mine and wish I could have had more, but now that she is on the verge of adulthood I will miss her terribly and be the first person to offer to help her pack and move her stuff. It takes a lot out of you, the kid raising business.
 
2012-10-14 09:41:30 AM  
Breeders ought to be happy that the kidless subsidize the living crap out of their crotchfruit, and may consider just keeping quiet about how their choices are paid for in no small part by the childless.
 
2012-10-14 09:44:28 AM  
Without this study, I would have never understood that people are happy when they can have what they want; unhappy when they can't have something they want; completely fine not having something they don't want

Golly.
 
2012-10-14 09:51:36 AM  

bronyaur1: Breeders ought to be happy that the kidless subsidize the living crap out of their crotchfruit, and may consider just keeping quiet about how their choices are paid for in no small part by the childless.


How about we legalize pot and pay for your WoW accounts? We square then?
 
2012-10-14 09:53:35 AM  

Ahhh_Ennui: Without this study, I would have never understood that people are happy when they can have what they want; unhappy when they can't have something they want; completely fine not having something they don't want

Golly.



It seems reasonable, until you look at what is the conventional wisdom, which says that women only *think* they know what they want if they're childfree, and they're going to regret the decision. The idea is something like, if women want kids and have kids, they're happy. If they don't want kids, and the don't have kids, they're temporarily happy, then they're miserable, because all women want kids. And if they don't want kids, but have kids, they become happy because it's what they really wanted all along, they just didn't realize it.
 
2012-10-14 10:22:39 AM  

bronyaur1: Breeders ought to be happy that the kidless subsidize the living crap out of their crotchfruit, and may consider just keeping quiet about how their choices are paid for in no small part by the childless.


Your choice to not reproduce (or more likely everyone else's choice to not pick you) is just the most boring and slowest possible way to earn that Darwin award.
 
2012-10-14 10:45:55 AM  
If you can't find happines within yourself, how can you find happiness with others?
 
2012-10-14 10:54:36 AM  
I have no children and I'm happy. For now.

Almost every study published also said martial satisfaction increases among couples that are intentionally childless. Something about having money, getting adequate sleep, and not resenting your lazy spouse.
 
2012-10-14 11:04:50 AM  
4 posts in before someone throws out "breeder". Good job Fark Cliche Patrol, keep up the good work.
 
2012-10-14 11:18:42 AM  
Now if you miserable "owners" could stop trying to con me into real estate that would be great.
 
2012-10-14 11:18:56 AM  

One Bad Apple: Your choice to not reproduce (or more likely everyone else's choice to not pick you) is just the most boring and slowest possible way to earn that Darwin award.


You're dead either way.
 
2012-10-14 11:19:19 AM  
I'm on the fence. On one hand population is skyrocketing and people who volunteer to go child free will help curb that spike, albeit negligibly. On the other, the people who choose to remain child free are usually the educated types and make up a part of the population that we need more of.
 
2012-10-14 11:19:22 AM  
I don't mind people who want to be child free.

I do mind people who are insecure enough to try and make me feel like shiat because I have a kid.

Same can be said for the insecure atheists.
 
2012-10-14 11:19:59 AM  

Mentat: 4 posts in before someone throws out "breeder". Good job Fark Cliche Patrol, keep up the good work.


Don't forget "crotchfruit".
 
2012-10-14 11:20:34 AM  

Troy McClure: One Bad Apple: Your choice to not reproduce (or more likely everyone else's choice to not pick you) is just the most boring and slowest possible way to earn that Darwin award.

You're dead either way.


And hey, as long as I get to piss people off with my personal choices while I go down...
 
2012-10-14 11:21:11 AM  

Obama4Life: If you can't find happines within yourself, how can you find happiness with others?


I find happiness within my wife
 
2012-10-14 11:21:23 AM  

MattyFridays: Same can be said for the insecure atheists Christians.


/atheists aren't the ones trying to legislate their beliefs (or lack thereof)
 
2012-10-14 11:22:30 AM  

TheSwizz: On the other, the people who choose to remain child free are usually the educated types and make up a part of the population that we need more of.


Oh, come on, you can't look at this and think the future of our nation isn't in great hands.

southinpopculture.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-14 11:23:06 AM  

RodneyToady: Ahhh_Ennui: Without this study, I would have never understood that people are happy when they can have what they want; unhappy when they can't have something they want; completely fine not having something they don't want

Golly.


It seems reasonable, until you look at what is the conventional wisdom, which says that women only *think* they know what they want if they're childfree, and they're going to regret the decision. The idea is something like, if women want kids and have kids, they're happy. If they don't want kids, and the don't have kids, they're temporarily happy, then they're miserable, because all women want kids. And if they don't want kids, but have kids, they become happy because it's what they really wanted all along, they just didn't realize it.


Having been up half of last night with an overenergetic one-year-old, I can't imagine anything more miserable than having kids that you didn't really want to have. Kids or no kids, it's an individual's god damn choice and anyone who looks down their snoot at them for it should go eat a bag of stinky dicks.

Also this is obviously very sexist logic: women MUST want to have kids... they're women! The walking uteruses of our species whose only fulfillment in life should be reproduction! I'm sure this all this "career", "travel" and whatnot is just to fill that certainly-aching void.
 
2012-10-14 11:23:14 AM  

RodneyToady: Ahhh_Ennui: Without this study, I would have never understood that people are happy when they can have what they want; unhappy when they can't have something they want; completely fine not having something they don't want

Golly.


It seems reasonable, until you look at what is the conventional wisdom, which says that women only *think* they know what they want if they're childfree, and they're going to regret the decision. The idea is something like, if women want kids and have kids, they're happy. If they don't want kids, and the don't have kids, they're temporarily happy, then they're miserable, because all women want kids. And if they don't want kids, but have kids, they become happy because it's what they really wanted all along, they just didn't realize it.


Wisdom, fact. Potato, potahto.
 
2012-10-14 11:23:15 AM  

MattyFridays: I don't mind people who want to be child free.

I do mind people who are insecure enough to try and make me feel like shiat because I have a kid.

Same can be said for the insecure atheists.


And unicorns and reverse vampires and people who give out free money on the bus.
 
2012-10-14 11:25:10 AM  

Troy McClure:


You're dead either way.


Is the concept of natural selection just too hard for you to grasp or are you one of those cdesign proponentistst ?


Notabunny:

I find happiness within my wife



Me too, buddy. Me too.
 
2012-10-14 11:25:15 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: Until they hit 39 and all of a sudden they want to breed more than that chick in Species.



Seriously. The biatch won't shut about it.

/ we had a deal
// you may have changed your mind . . .i haven't
 
2012-10-14 11:26:24 AM  
You mean it's possible to be happy when you still have money, free time, a career you want, the ability to travel, date, move, your body is still firm, and all of your stuff is unbroken???

I'm a guy and I can't possibly imagine ever wanting kids. If I want the experience, I can burn 90% of my money, puke on my own carpet, and smash my xbox on my own. I know chicks probably have a heightened biological yearning for offspring, but it's pretty reasonable that a fair amount of women will see the obvious benefits of not having kids.
 
2012-10-14 11:28:10 AM  
Some people shouldnt have children.

These barren spinsters are just Darwins/Gods way improving the human species. 

If it helps them to rationalise their pointless existence away by citing "the environment" or "the times in which we live", that's fine if it helps them to sleep (alone) at night.
 
2012-10-14 11:28:13 AM  

taurusowner: You mean it's possible to be happy when you still have money, free time, a career you want, the ability to travel, date, move, your body is still firm, and all of your stuff is unbroken???

I'm a guy and I can't possibly imagine ever wanting kids. If I want the experience, I can burn 90% of my money, puke on my own carpet, and smash my xbox on my own. I know chicks probably have a heightened biological yearning for offspring, but it's pretty reasonable that a fair amount of women will see the obvious benefits of not having kids.


Ah but the media, family, and friends all conspire to make a woman believe she's worthless if she doesn't have children, and that motherhood is the most sacred, noblest duty and all a woman is put on Earf for.

...same goes for Marriage, although I suppose that's part of the childbearing con.
 
2012-10-14 11:28:36 AM  

rocketpants: Mentat: 4 posts in before someone throws out "breeder". Good job Fark Cliche Patrol, keep up the good work.

Don't forget "crotchfruit".


I prefer the term "fark trophies". It makes them sound like you actually achieved something by having them
 
2012-10-14 11:29:03 AM  
Women deciding to not have children makes as much sense as people deciding to be gay.
 
2012-10-14 11:29:29 AM  
It's a choice every man and woman should make by 25, ideally. If being self-absorbed is working out for you, then by all means, stay on the beam and ride it. But if by 25, your schemes and designs aren't panning out, if you have a dead-end job and spend half your time bedhopping while wasted, having a kid can sober you up, grow you up, and give you just as much fulfillment as any other endeavor. It's very rewarding work.
 
2012-10-14 11:30:38 AM  
Study finds that childfree women are perfectly happy with their decision to remain childless, as long as the government is willing and able to pay their pensions and medical bills in their old age.

/when SS and Medicare run out of other peoples' money, prepare for INFINITE DRAMA from the aging childfree
//Obamacare will save the day, just like Zapp Brannigan
 
2012-10-14 11:31:39 AM  

One Bad Apple: Troy McClure:


You're dead either way.

Is the concept of natural selection just too hard for you to grasp or are you one of those cdesign proponentistst ?


I think once you've lived your life and died of natural causes, your obligations to the continuance of the human race are over. It's not exactly a "Darwin award" for someone to decide to not have kids, and then not have them.
 
2012-10-14 11:31:47 AM  

boobsrgood: It's a choice every man and woman should make by 25, ideally. If being self-absorbed is working out for you, then by all means, stay on the beam and ride it. But if by 25, your schemes and designs aren't panning out, if you have a dead-end job and spend half your time bedhopping while wasted, having a kid can sober you up, grow you up, and give you just as much fulfillment as any other endeavor. It's very rewarding work.


assets.diylol.com

Or, you wind up being a drunk, immature, unfulfilled person with a kid you never wanted.
 
2012-10-14 11:32:37 AM  

One Bad Apple: Is the concept of natural selection just too hard for you to grasp or are you one of those cdesign proponentistst ?


Or maybe I don't care either way because I'll be dead.
 
2012-10-14 11:33:00 AM  

dugitman: How about we legalize pot and pay for your WoW accounts? We square then?


Deal.
 
2012-10-14 11:33:17 AM  
I just saw the "who'll take care of you in your old age!" excuse!

memedepot.com
 
2012-10-14 11:34:27 AM  

boobsrgood: But if by 25, your schemes and designs aren't panning out, if you have a dead-end job and spend half your time bedhopping while wasted, having a kid can sober you up, grow you up, and give you just as much fulfillment as any other endeavor. It's very rewarding work.


I don't think having a kid is a sound strategy for sobering and growing up. You should probably be progressing on the latter before taking steps toward the former.
 
2012-10-14 11:34:36 AM  
It is easy to be happy in your 20s, 30s, and 40s without having kids. That is the 'doing' phase of life. Not having kids allows for more money to travel, buy fun stuff, and do exciting things.

It is very difficult to be happy in your 60s, 70s, and 80s if you never had kids. Grandkids don't make themselves and all that stuff you bought really didn't make you happy - just fulfilled a desire to consume. Later years in life are all about reflection and coming to peace with your place in the world. Unless you were a really important person - your contribution to the world ends with your life. Kids really are the answer to the immortality that we all seek.
 
2012-10-14 11:35:21 AM  

Bontesla: martial satisfaction increases among couples that are intentionally childless.


Accidental or deliberate malapropism?
 
2012-10-14 11:35:58 AM  

Tatterdemalian: /when SS and Medicare run out of other peoples' money, prepare for INFINITE DRAMA from the aging childfree


How are aging people with kids not living off of "other people's money" in this scenario? They are either depending on other people's money through SS and Medicare, or they are depending on their children.

The obnoxious trolling in this thread is a bit of a surprise. What's so offensive about someone not having kids, that it makes people with kids so upset? Does it threaten you because you only had kids because of societal pressure, and now you see people changing the rules after you've already committed?
 
2012-10-14 11:36:27 AM  

madgonad: It is easy to be happy in your 20s, 30s, and 40s without having kids. That is the 'doing' phase of life. Not having kids allows for more money to travel, buy fun stuff, and do exciting things.

It is very difficult to be happy in your 60s, 70s, and 80s if you never had kids. Grandkids don't make themselves and all that stuff you bought really didn't make you happy - just fulfilled a desire to consume. Later years in life are all about reflection and coming to peace with your place in the world. Unless you were a really important person - your contribution to the world ends with your life. Kids really are the answer to the immortality that we all seek.


Genetic immortality! Everyone mark your cards!
 
2012-10-14 11:38:15 AM  

One Bad Apple: bronyaur1: Breeders ought to be happy that the kidless subsidize the living crap out of their crotchfruit, and may consider just keeping quiet about how their choices are paid for in no small part by the childless.

Your choice to not reproduce (or more likely everyone else's choice to not pick you) is just the most boring and slowest possible way to earn that Darwin award.


There's a loophole for guys...
 
2012-10-14 11:38:35 AM  

TheSwizz: I'm on the fence. On one hand population is skyrocketing and people who volunteer to go child free will help curb that spike, albeit negligibly. On the other, the people who choose to remain child free are usually the educated types and make up a part of the population that we need more of.


Despite the fact that studies show what you're saying is indeed true, it won't be long now before some chucklefark posts that grossly incorrect and facetiously smug xkcd comic.
 
2012-10-14 11:38:53 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Tatterdemalian: /when SS and Medicare run out of other peoples' money, prepare for INFINITE DRAMA from the aging childfree

How are aging people with kids not living off of "other people's money" in this scenario? They are either depending on other people's money through SS and Medicare, or they are depending on their children.

The obnoxious trolling in this thread is a bit of a surprise. What's so offensive about someone not having kids, that it makes people with kids so upset? Does it threaten you because you only had kids because of societal pressure, and now you see people changing the rules after you've already committed?


I think it's that people with kids who are offended by people without kids hate that they're stuck, and didn't really want kids in the first place, but now that they have them they goddamn well have to put up a front and act like their kids are the best thing to ever happen to them because they refuse to give the happy, childless people the satisfaction of knowing that being childless is farking great and the people with children envy them,
 
2012-10-14 11:39:05 AM  

loabn: boobsrgood: But if by 25, your schemes and designs aren't panning out, if you have a dead-end job and spend half your time bedhopping while wasted, having a kid can sober you up, grow you up, and give you just as much fulfillment as any other endeavor. It's very rewarding work.

I don't think having a kid is a sound strategy for sobering and growing up. You should probably be progressing on the latter before taking steps toward the former.


Seriously. If you're only planning to have a kid because you think it might 'fix' you, then please don't have children.
 
2012-10-14 11:39:37 AM  

TheSwizz: I'm on the fence. On one hand population is skyrocketing and people who volunteer to go child free will help curb that spike, albeit negligibly.


It's not negligible. The global growth rate has actually declined by half since the 80s from 2.2% to 1.1%. The more wealth a country has, the fewer children its people have. This is known as 'the demographic transition'. The more money and comfort you have, the less likely you are to want to sacrifice that money and comfort to raise children. The UN predicts the global population will stabilize and start to decline by 2050. And this doesn't even take into account the possible rise of regenerative medicine and the vastly longer life-spans the technologies may allow (which will make people put off having children even longer).

As technologies like 3d printing mature, allowing ultra-cheap generation of material goods, food, and biology, relative wealth will spread to the world, increasing this trend.

Success and not wanting as many children (if any at all) go hand in hand. The effect is anything but negligible.
 
2012-10-14 11:39:48 AM  

madgonad: It is easy to be happy in your 20s, 30s, and 40s without having kids. That is the 'doing' phase of life. Not having kids allows for more money to travel, buy fun stuff, and do exciting things.

It is very difficult to be happy in your 60s, 70s, and 80s if you never had kids. Grandkids don't make themselves and all that stuff you bought really didn't make you happy - just fulfilled a desire to consume. Later years in life are all about reflection and coming to peace with your place in the world. Unless you were a really important person - your contribution to the world ends with your life. Kids really are the answer to the immortality that we all seek.


Ahh yes, I knew eventually there'd be people coming in here telling us how we're supposed to feel and what we all want. That we can't be happy without X. Just like all those inane pictures people put up on Facebook telling us what true happiness is. How about this instead--it's very difficult to be happy if you don't do what makes you happy. Period. Not everyone seeks immortality or needs kids to be happy. I sure as hell don't.
 
2012-10-14 11:39:58 AM  
yeargh i hate these threads.
 
2012-10-14 11:40:33 AM  

madgonad: It is easy to be happy in your 20s, 30s, and 40s without having kids. That is the 'doing' phase of life. Not having kids allows for more money to travel, buy fun stuff, and do exciting things.

It is very difficult to be happy in your 60s, 70s, and 80s if you never had kids. Grandkids don't make themselves and all that stuff you bought really didn't make you happy - just fulfilled a desire to consume. Later years in life are all about reflection and coming to peace with your place in the world. Unless you were a really important person - your contribution to the world ends with your life. Kids really are the answer to the immortality that we all seek.


A simple killing spree can accomplish that.
 
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