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(BBC)   Gangnam Style Grand Prix Discussion Thread. Mark Webber on pole. Heyyy Sexay Coverage 1:30 AM ET   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 176
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2012-10-14 03:41:40 AM
And Vettel moves to tie Jim Clark and Niki Lauda for seventh most career wins.
 
2012-10-14 03:43:19 AM
So, how hard will the Red Bull team facepalm if they find out their worries about the tire were due to a faulty sensor?
 
2012-10-14 03:43:54 AM
*grumbles*

Still a pretty good F1 race, I suppose. Not as good as it could be, but filled with lulz P5 and back.
 
2012-10-14 03:47:24 AM

WhyteRaven74: Adman1138: What fragrant violation of the regs? Team orders are allowed, it's a team sport, the team are entitled to do what they want with their cars.

Team orders were banned outright in 02, and while the ban was nominally lifted, the FIA can still smack a team for team orders that are seen as being anti-competitive, like telling a driver he can't race his own teammate.


The FIA will only come down on a team for using team orders to bring the sport into disrepute, as Ferrari did with that embarrassment in Austria 02. Telling drivers to hold station is fine, it's nothing to do with Jean Todt being head of the FIA, it's part of Formula 1, it always has been and if you don't like it maybe you should go watch something else.

Besides how stupid would Ferrari look if Massa beats Alonso here and Fernando goes on to lose the championship by 1 or 2 points

Welcome to racing, perhaps they should've given Alsono a better car in the early part of the season so he could snag a few more podiums.


Yep, they should have done, but they didn't so now they're using both cars to maximise their chances of winning the title.
 
paj
2012-10-14 03:48:15 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-14 03:48:35 AM

WhyteRaven74: So, how hard will the Red Bull team facepalm if they find out their worries about the tire were due to a faulty sensor?


Not very, seeing as there were a bunch of close-up slow-mo replays of Seb's right front worn a bit more harshly on the inside than the outside as well as being more worn overall than the other three.
 
paj
2012-10-14 03:49:07 AM
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-14 03:50:24 AM
Both Toro Rosso's in the points. Nice.
 
2012-10-14 03:53:42 AM

Adman1138: it always has been and if you don't like it maybe you should go watch something else.


Having two drivers and not having them both race to their fullest, even when it means racing each other, is pretty much the textbook definition of bringing the sport into disrepute.
 
2012-10-14 03:54:39 AM
And Newey gets drenched in champagne.
 
2012-10-14 03:58:31 AM
Standings after 16 races, top ten drivers and top five teams:

VET 215
ALO 209
RAI 167
HAM 153
WEB 152
BUT 131
ROS 93
GRO 88
MAS 81
PER 66

RBR Renault 367
Ferrari 290
McLaren Mercedes 284
Lotus Renault 255
Mercedes 136

If any drivers or teams have the same number of points (including zero points), ties are broken by quality of finishes -- one first place finish is worth more than any number of second place finishes, one P2 finish worth more than several P3 finishes, and so on.

The next race is in two weeks in India, 28 October at 5:30 AM Eastern/2:30 AM Pacific
 
2012-10-14 04:47:35 AM

WhyteRaven74: So, how hard will the Red Bull team facepalm if they find out their worries about the tire were due to a faulty sensor?


Don't think they were really worried. They just need to think of new ways to trick Vettel into not setting fastest laps when the race is over. Nothing bad has happened but I'm sure they don't like the risk and want to save the engine. Vettel's tyre looked dodgy but not in immediate danger of puncturing.
 
2012-10-14 05:28:00 AM

King Something: Lewis just picked up a huge piece of astroturf

/2 laps to go


Hopefully this will get rid of that stuff, it is as bad as when they paint the concrete green.

paj: [i.imgur.com image 694x389]


As great as that, this is what I have been looking for:

www.deccanchronicle.com

Has anyone seen more drivers dancing?
 
paj
2012-10-14 06:33:39 AM

soj4life: Has anyone seen more drivers dancing?


wtf1.co.uk
 
2012-10-14 08:27:30 AM
Watched "Senna" again last night.
tear. eye.
 
2012-10-14 11:20:04 AM
I'm pretty sure that AstroTurf hanging on is the most absurd thing I've seen in F1. Not the craziest, (Mark going for a pleasure flight), but definitely the most WTF...

/Have to think whoever decided that laying it down Thursday night was A-OK will be sacked
 
2012-10-14 12:10:03 PM
I love how people only complain about team orders when Ferrari does it.

I don't understand how people can honestly complain about Ferrari expecting their drive to do what is best for the team.
1) If Massa passed Alonso, the TEAM would have likely score no more points towards the WCC. Massa might have caught Webber, but who knows if he would have gotten around.
2) The TEAM wants a WDC, Alonso has the only chance. Why would they want Massa to take points away? If Massa wants to keep his seat next year, why would he want to do something detrimental to his team?
3) Unless they tell Alonso to LET Massa pass (which would be another example of team orders), they should 'fight' for the position, potentially taking both cars out of the race. Why would Ferrari risk getting ZERO points?

If Massa and Alonso were both fighting for the WDC then it would be a different story.
 
2012-10-14 12:43:57 PM

King Something: Ferrari was one of the three teams with workable tyres. That's why the FIA didn't compromise.

/10 laps to go


The teams had agreed to a compromise to install a chicane at the last minute which would have lowered the speed going around a corner of the oval. Only one team refused to accept the compromise - Ferrari. They knew exactly what they were doing, and having only six cars on the starting grid ruined F1's presence in the US - they only ran two US GPs after that because attendance plummeted.

ancker: I love how people only complain about team orders when Ferrari does it.


Team orders were banned for almost a decade, but when Ferrari got caught issuing one, they cried to Ferrari International Aid and and got the rule changed.

Ferrari gets what Ferrari wants, the health of the sport be damned. And that's why they're the only team I root against on a consistent basis.
 
2012-10-14 03:24:10 PM

WhyteRaven74: Anyone else wish F1 races weren't all the same or nearly the same length and there was some variation in the race lengths? Also that they got rid of the pants on head retarded time limit thing.


You should try watching rally. Without taking anything away from F1, which I highly respect, rally has far more variation and (to me) more interesting strategy involved. Plus, as a spectator, I find that seeing a highly modified street car going sideways around corners at up to 100mph on disused country roads lined with rocks and trees is rather a more engaging spectacle than watching a very-highly-engineered, purpose-built machine going up to 200mph around a well-maintained race track for hours.
 
2012-10-14 05:06:03 PM

Loomy: I'm pretty sure that AstroTurf hanging on is the most absurd thing I've seen in F1. Not the craziest, (Mark going for a pleasure flight), but definitely the most WTF...

/Have to think whoever decided that laying it down Thursday night was A-OK will be sacked


The CRAZIEST thing I've ever seen in F1 was Christan Fittipaldi's 360-degree backflip on the finish line of the '93 Italian GP. He was racing for position, and still crossed the line to finish.
 
2012-10-14 07:14:01 PM
NBC SPORTS GROUP GETS US RIGHTS TO FORMULA ONE

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
NBC Sports Group signs 4-year deal for #F1 US rights. 4 races on NBC, 16 on NBC Sports Network.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Intent is to show all live. RT @digger3210: @JennaFryer Any idea on how many live?

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Qualifying and practices sessions are scheduled for NBC Sports Network. Everything will be streamed live online.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
4 races scheduled for NBC are Canadian Grand Prix in June, then Abu Dhabi, Austin and Brazil to close season.
 
paj
2012-10-14 08:59:27 PM

good_2_go: NBC SPORTS GROUP GETS US RIGHTS TO FORMULA ONE

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
NBC Sports Group signs 4-year deal for #F1 US rights. 4 races on NBC, 16 on NBC Sports Network.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Intent is to show all live. RT @digger3210: @JennaFryer Any idea on how many live?

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Qualifying and practices sessions are scheduled for NBC Sports Network. Everything will be streamed live online.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
4 races scheduled for NBC are Canadian Grand Prix in June, then Abu Dhabi, Austin and Brazil to close season.


Kind of surprised they aren't going to to have Monaco as one of their four. Abu Dhabi is terrible.
 
2012-10-14 11:30:34 PM

paj: good_2_go: NBC SPORTS GROUP GETS US RIGHTS TO FORMULA ONE

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
NBC Sports Group signs 4-year deal for #F1 US rights. 4 races on NBC, 16 on NBC Sports Network.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Intent is to show all live. RT @digger3210: @JennaFryer Any idea on how many live?

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Qualifying and practices sessions are scheduled for NBC Sports Network. Everything will be streamed live online.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
4 races scheduled for NBC are Canadian Grand Prix in June, then Abu Dhabi, Austin and Brazil to close season.

Kind of surprised they aren't going to to have Monaco as one of their four. Abu Dhabi is terrible.


The 4th race should be either Monaco or the race in New Jersey (if it happens).

And if they agree to do the coverage like they do Indycar coverage, it won't be the worst thing in the world since it would mean not missing any of the race. But who do they get to call it? And do they show the support races like GP2?

/As for the race, stopped watching once Vettel took the lead
 
2012-10-15 02:47:41 AM
BBC is reporting that Vettel is going to be joining Ferrari in 2014. Massa will only be signed for 2013.
 
2012-10-15 05:04:24 AM

paj: Kind of surprised they aren't going to to have Monaco as one of their four. Abu Dhabi is terrible.


desertgeek: The 4th race should be either Monaco or the race in New Jersey (if it happens).

And if they agree to do the coverage like they do Indycar coverage, it won't be the worst thing in the world since it would mean not missing any of the race. But who do they get to call it? And do they show the support races like GP2?

/As for the race, stopped watching once Vettel took the lead



If New Jersey happens, I can see NBC making a decision to put it on the main network. Other than that, they seem exclusively interested in races that can be shown during the day in the US. I think the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix fits into this, being a night race.

They will cash in on the main network for convenient races, probably figuring anyone who is hardcore enough to watch the races run at odd hours would be willing to make sure to have their cable network, or wouldn't watch US coverage anyways.
 
2012-10-15 05:59:12 PM
WhyteRaven74: Well yeah, but then Buxton is English, Jordan is Scottish Irish.

FTFY

/ Countdown to race start: 20 minutes
// Yay DVR
/// Boo work
 
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