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(BBC)   Gangnam Style Grand Prix Discussion Thread. Mark Webber on pole. Heyyy Sexay Coverage 1:30 AM ET   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 176
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2012-10-14 02:49:38 AM  

Jensaarai: Someone pressures Hamilton, and he suddenly quits whining and picks up a second a lap.


Which he'll either keep or manage to screw up, likely badly.
 
2012-10-14 02:49:54 AM  

WhyteRaven74: In NASCAR you have cookie cutter tracks, in F1 you have Tilke-cutter tracks.


yep.
 
2012-10-14 02:50:02 AM  

Oh, an on track battle? Let's go to commercial - fark u speed. Should have just went to bed an torrented the UK

coverage n the morning
 
2012-10-14 02:51:37 AM  
Ah, yes, the F1 2012 video game. Try it without an expensive wheel - it's a great way to recreate the start of Spa!
 
2012-10-14 02:51:44 AM  

seelorq: yep.


If you want excitement watch a Moto-GP or World Superbike race on a Tilke track.

/yes that's sarcasm
 
2012-10-14 02:52:39 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: Someone pressures Hamilton, and he suddenly quits whining and picks up a second a lap.

Which he'll either keep or manage to screw up, likely badly.


He boxed for fresh rubber, and got a "quality" pit stop.
 
2012-10-14 02:52:47 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Ah, yes, the F1 2012 video game.


The 2012 F1 game, which came out two weeks before the 2013 FIFA soccer game. The FIA hasn't quite figured out the whole release date thing with games yet. Yeah let's release the game near the end of the season with the current year.
 
2012-10-14 02:54:02 AM  

King Something: He boxed for fresh rubber, and got a "quality" pit stop.


No set of circumstances exists which prevent Hamilton from farking things up royally. He can be absolutely brilliant or damn near Karthikayen-esque. Sometimes on the same lap.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:18 AM  

WhyteRaven74: UNC_Samurai: Ah, yes, the F1 2012 video game.

The 2012 F1 game, which came out two weeks before the 2013 FIFA soccer game. The FIA hasn't quite figured out the whole release date thing with games yet. Yeah let's release the game near the end of the season with the current year.


They can't release their title until late in the season because they don't get to see the cars before the season starts. The dev team gets no help in figuring out how to model the cars.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:33 AM  
Grosjean, son, I am disappoint.

Crash already.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:37 AM  
Speaking of the F1 game, I'd love it if they came out with a game where you could pick cars from any era and race, and in the case of cars from the last 30 or so years, race head to head, so race an 86 Williams against a 98 McLaren. Hell create a feature to let people assemble their own car.
 
2012-10-14 02:57:59 AM  

UNC_Samurai: They can't release their title until late in the season because they don't get to see the cars before the season starts.


They could do a lot before seeing the cars, and given they see the cars by the end of February, shouldn't be long to do what amounts to putting new skins on the existing models.
 
2012-10-14 02:58:27 AM  
Hulkenburg (paraphrased): "Why do I have to keep racing? Can't I just quit now?"
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:59:04 AM  

WhyteRaven74: In NASCAR you have cookie cutter tracks, in F1 you have Tilke-cutter tracks.


"[To drivers and fans] a top five of Tilke tracks will be like a nicest smelling dog poo competition, or a battle to determine Justin Bieber's best song."

/ heh.
 
2012-10-14 03:00:35 AM  
Not expecting that shot of the car exiting to pit...got me queasy.
 
2012-10-14 03:01:24 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Speaking of the F1 game, I'd love it if they came out with a game where you could pick cars from any era and race, and in the case of cars from the last 30 or so years, race head to head, so race an 86 Williams against a 98 McLaren. Hell create a feature to let people assemble their own car.


Bernie won't allow it.

They could do a lot before seeing the cars, and given they see the cars by the end of February, shouldn't be long to do what amounts to putting new skins on the existing models.

If it was that easy, they'd be able to release the game in late March or early April.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:14 AM  

King Something: If it was that easy, they'd be able to release the game in late March or early April.


I was thinking late May certainly would be reasonable.

Bernie won't allow it.

Yet another reason to despise the man. Given the history of F1 you could have one of the all time great racing games, but Bernie is too much of an idjit to see what could be done.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:24 AM  
Good job there, Grosjean.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:27 AM  
Nice, Vettel. You don't need that tire anyway.
 
2012-10-14 03:06:06 AM  
Grosjean won't have "graining" to blame for the next few laps.
 
2012-10-14 03:06:47 AM  
Alonso pits, gets out behind Glock; passes him with blue flags in the DRS zone.

Vettel and Massa pit, neither loses ground (exiting in P1 and P2 respectively)
 
2012-10-14 03:08:54 AM  
Once again, implied team orders ruin another race.

There's no way Webber even endangers Vettel's tires by getting near him unless Alonso closes. Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him
 
2012-10-14 03:10:22 AM  
oh sweet jeebus..."faster, stronger"....HEAVIER weathertech stuff.

How are mud guards faster?
 
2012-10-14 03:10:43 AM  
Or as Red Bull puts it "Webber is on a longer stint."
 
2012-10-14 03:10:55 AM  
And even Speed gets in a "can you understand this message" crack.
 
2012-10-14 03:11:59 AM  
"You need to back off Fernando"

Stay farking classy, Ferrari.
 
2012-10-14 03:12:54 AM  

Jensaarai: Once again, implied team orders ruin another race.

There's no way Webber even endangers Vettel's tires by getting near him unless Alonso closes. Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him


What's with all this "implied" malarkey? They just told Massa "you're too close."
 
2012-10-14 03:13:10 AM  
This is the sort of crap that made me bail on F1 after that ridiculous Barrichello/Schumacher bullshiat.
 
2012-10-14 03:13:30 AM  

Jensaarai: Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him


Massa has nothing to lose. He's not coming back to Ferrari next year, so not like he has any incentive to give a damn.
 
2012-10-14 03:14:42 AM  

UNC_Samurai: "You need to back off Fernando"


And because the head of the FIA is a former Ferrari guy, even that flagrant violation of the sporting regulations won't be punished.
 
2012-10-14 03:15:17 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him

Massa has nothing to lose. He's not coming back to Ferrari next year, so not like he has any incentive to give a damn.


The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.
 
2012-10-14 03:15:47 AM  
OK, when is somebody gonna fark this to bring the field back up to Vettel?
 
2012-10-14 03:15:52 AM  

Jensaarai: This is the sort of crap that made me bail on F1 after that ridiculous Barrichello/Schumacher bullshiat.


This is why I biatch so much about Ferrari - they don't care if their shenanigans ruin the sport so long as they can put another trophy on the shelf.

/Fernando and deMontezebungholio deserve each other
 
paj
2012-10-14 03:18:50 AM  

Jensaarai: WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him

Massa has nothing to lose. He's not coming back to Ferrari next year, so not like he has any incentive to give a damn.

The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.


On the BBC feed on TSN, David Coulthard mentioned that he's heard rumblings that Ferrari will announce that Massa is staying sometime this week.
 
2012-10-14 03:19:28 AM  

Jensaarai: The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.


I heard that, but I can't imagine him resigning without it being announced. It's not like there's any reason to keep it under wraps.

they don't care if their shenanigans ruin the sport so long as they can put another trophy on the shelf.

I remember when a few teams, notably Williams, were handing Ferrari their ass in the early 90s when things like traction control and other things were legal and Ferrari apparently couldn't figure out the new tech or find its ass with both hands. After a couple seasons of looking bad, all that tech gear was banned. Not only was stuff that was being used banned, stuff no one had even raced, like the CVT Williams was working on was banned. So Williams had years of R&D thrown out the window on something they never even used. And by all appearances, all this just to help Ferrari.
 
2012-10-14 03:21:11 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.

I heard that, but I can't imagine him resigning without it being announced. It's not like there's any reason to keep it under wraps.

they don't care if their shenanigans ruin the sport so long as they can put another trophy on the shelf.

I remember when a few teams, notably Williams, were handing Ferrari their ass in the early 90s when things like traction control and other things were legal and Ferrari apparently couldn't figure out the new tech or find its ass with both hands. After a couple seasons of looking bad, all that tech gear was banned. Not only was stuff that was being used banned, stuff no one had even raced, like the CVT Williams was working on was banned. So Williams had years of R&D thrown out the window on something they never even used. And by all appearances, all this just to help Ferrari.


And let's not forget how they ruined the U.S. Grand Prix - and killed F1 in the U.S. for the better part of a decade - by refusing to compromise when only three teams had workable tires.
 
2012-10-14 03:23:36 AM  

UNC_Samurai: And let's not forget how they ruined the U.S. Grand Prix - and killed F1 in the U.S. for the better part of a decade - by refusing to compromise when only three teams had workable tires.


And that.
 
2012-10-14 03:23:56 AM  

UNC_Samurai: WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.

I heard that, but I can't imagine him resigning without it being announced. It's not like there's any reason to keep it under wraps.

they don't care if their shenanigans ruin the sport so long as they can put another trophy on the shelf.

I remember when a few teams, notably Williams, were handing Ferrari their ass in the early 90s when things like traction control and other things were legal and Ferrari apparently couldn't figure out the new tech or find its ass with both hands. After a couple seasons of looking bad, all that tech gear was banned. Not only was stuff that was being used banned, stuff no one had even raced, like the CVT Williams was working on was banned. So Williams had years of R&D thrown out the window on something they never even used. And by all appearances, all this just to help Ferrari.

And let's not forget how they ruined the U.S. Grand Prix - and killed F1 in the U.S. for the better part of a decade - by refusing to compromise when only three teams had workable tires.


Ferrari was one of the three teams with workable tyres. That's why the FIA didn't compromise.

/10 laps to go
 
2012-10-14 03:29:03 AM  

WhyteRaven74: UNC_Samurai: "You need to back off Fernando"

And because the head of the FIA is a former Ferrari guy, even that flagrant violation of the sporting regulations won't be punished.


What fragrant violation of the regs? Team orders are allowed, it's a team sport, the team are entitled to do what they want with their cars.

Besides how stupid would Ferrari look if Massa beats Alonso here and Fernando goes on to lose the championship by 1 or 2 points. Massa is out of the title hunt so he has to play second fiddle, he'll get another chance next year.

And lets not pretend that Red Bull and McLaren don't tell drivers to hold station when it suits them.
 
2012-10-14 03:30:10 AM  
Stupid steak house commercial. 4 minutes for that beef filet, each side, at med high, will get you
that...allow to rest on warmed plate about 7 minutes or so...and then enjoy the awesome yummy.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:02 AM  
Astroturf fail.

The annoying thing about these tactics is that if you *have* to be a blatant shiat head about team orders, why not release Massa to pressure Red Bull, then call him into the pits?

The only reason not to do that is Alonso's pride.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:05 AM  

Adman1138: What fragrant violation of the regs? Team orders are allowed, it's a team sport, the team are entitled to do what they want with their cars.


Team orders were banned outright in 02, and while the ban was nominally lifted, the FIA can still smack a team for team orders that are seen as being anti-competitive, like telling a driver he can't race his own teammate.

Besides how stupid would Ferrari look if Massa beats Alonso here and Fernando goes on to lose the championship by 1 or 2 points

Welcome to racing, perhaps they should've given Alsono a better car in the early part of the season so he could snag a few more podiums.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:44 AM  
5 laps to go, Vettel in P1 but his right front tyre is wearing a bit
 
2012-10-14 03:35:44 AM  

WhyteRaven74: SniperJoe: That was ridiculous.

Yep. And as for safety and refueling, given other forms of racing and refueling, that doesn't work. Are we supposed to believe that the cars called the ultimate race cars can't manage to safely refuel? Then again we're supposed to accept they're too fragile and sensitive to run more than what 170 miles in a race? But don't dare question they are the ultimate race cars.


This is why GT beats the ever-loving shiat out of F1.
 
2012-10-14 03:36:46 AM  
LOL HAMILTON
 
2012-10-14 03:37:22 AM  
Astroturf. Huh.
 
2012-10-14 03:37:33 AM  
Lewis just picked up a huge piece of astroturf

/2 laps to go
 
2012-10-14 03:37:40 AM  
Hamilton astroturf?
 
paj
2012-10-14 03:40:52 AM  
Oppa.
 
2012-10-14 03:40:59 AM  
i344.photobucket.com
SURPRISE! Seb won!
Three races in a row, at that!
 
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