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(BBC)   Gangnam Style Grand Prix Discussion Thread. Mark Webber on pole. Heyyy Sexay Coverage 1:30 AM ET   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 176
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2012-10-14 02:11:37 AM  
Also on the innovation front, while nominally bottling it up is claimed to keep costs down, if you think about it, having ultra strict rules where doing something really innovative is impossible actually favors the big teams, it doesn't level things at all.
 
2012-10-14 02:11:39 AM  
OMG. Kobayashi marued himself. LOVE that shredded tire flapping in slo-mo!
 
2012-10-14 02:13:11 AM  

WhyteRaven74: And given there will likely be two US F1 races, the question comes up again why there isn't at least one US backed/based/owned F1 team and no American F1 drivers.


There was a US F1 team. They were called US F1 Team. They couldn't afford to compete and ended up folding like gentlemen's literature.
 
2012-10-14 02:15:20 AM  

King Something: WhyteRaven74: And given there will likely be two US F1 races, the question comes up again why there isn't at least one US backed/based/owned F1 team and no American F1 drivers.

There was a US F1 team. They were called US F1 Team. They couldn't afford to compete and ended up folding like gentlemen's literature.


Welcome to Fark, Mr. Brundle.
 
2012-10-14 02:15:20 AM  

King Something: There was a US F1 team. They were called US F1 Team.


heh I remember that, almost as bad as Lola's F1 effort. Be nice if there was an F1 team with some sort of US connection, it's not like Americans doing well in F1 is unknown, but no one ever really built in that success.
 
2012-10-14 02:16:10 AM  
DRS disabled due to yellow flags in the DRS zone. Any idea why there's still a yellow in that area?
 
2012-10-14 02:16:33 AM  
The marshals can't get to the car and aren't doing anything to get to it. Well now we know where the replacement NFL refs went...
 
2012-10-14 02:17:46 AM  
I don't know if I'd give anything to Kobiyashi with the words "drive through"
 
2012-10-14 02:18:06 AM  
Never mind, they just showed a close-up of the chunk of carbon on the track. Also, Kamui is taking a drive-through
 
2012-10-14 02:20:13 AM  
Debris is gone, DRS re-enabled.
 
2012-10-14 02:20:24 AM  
Cripes, Vettel is running away....SOMEBODY CRASH!

Back to green. Let's take a commercial break instead. Fark you Speed.
 
2012-10-14 02:22:42 AM  
Anyone else wish F1 races weren't all the same or nearly the same length and there was some variation in the race lengths? Also that they got rid of the pants on head retarded time limit thing.
 
2012-10-14 02:25:04 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Anyone else wish F1 races weren't all the same or nearly the same length and there was some variation in the race lengths? Also that they got rid of the pants on head retarded time limit thing.


The teams want the time limit, though. Even idling those engines puts a lot of wear on those engines, and you only get eight to cycle through in a season.
 
2012-10-14 02:26:12 AM  
Let's talk about how much more interesting this is than NASCAR ovals, other than the occasional awesome crashes. Anyone?
 
2012-10-14 02:26:34 AM  

UNC_Samurai: and you only get eight to cycle through in a season.


That needs to go. Also bring back refueling. And let's have some fun. A 450 km race at Spa? That would be fun.
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:26:53 AM  
Correct me if this has been done already but has any news organization done a piece on the 'business of F1'?

Much has been done on Bernie but I'd also be interested in coverage of how smaller teams (ie. Force India) can maintain a team. (what are the team incentives; sponsorship; tech developments, etc)

/any comments, thoughts?
 
2012-10-14 02:27:26 AM  

seelorq: Let's talk about how much more interesting this is than NASCAR ovals, other than the occasional awesome crashes. Anyone?


This race has been pretty good, the race last weekend was awesome. Plenty of passing and the pit strategy got seriously interesting.
 
2012-10-14 02:28:22 AM  
Cool shot there of hamster in the pits.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:25 AM  

UNC_Samurai: WhyteRaven74: Anyone else wish F1 races weren't all the same or nearly the same length and there was some variation in the race lengths? Also that they got rid of the pants on head retarded time limit thing.

The teams want the time limit, though. Even idling those engines puts a lot of wear on those engines, and you only get eight to cycle through in a season.


There's also the refueling ban (put in place for safety reasons) to think about. If the races were longer, they would have to start the race on a full tank in order to go the distance -- and if the race is long enough, even that might not be enough.

/somebody's gonna get a drive-through for an unsafe release from the box....
 
2012-10-14 02:30:16 AM  

mjg: Correct me if this has been done already but has any news organization done a piece on the 'business of F1'?


Plenty. And Force India by virtue of doing pretty well this season will have a nice chunk of change to aid them next season. Part of the F1 revenue sharing deal with the teams is the share of TV revenues each constructor gets is dependent on where they finish in the constructors championship. Thus the rich get richer. Also Force India is not exactly a poorly funded team as is. No they don't have the huge budget of Red Bull, Ferrari or McLaren but they're hardly on the level of Caterham or Marusia either.
 
2012-10-14 02:30:19 AM  

WhyteRaven74: seelorq: Let's talk about how much more interesting this is than NASCAR ovals, other than the occasional awesome crashes. Anyone?

This race has been pretty good, the race last weekend was awesome. Plenty of passing and the pit strategy got seriously interesting.


Agreed.
 
2012-10-14 02:30:44 AM  

mjg: Correct me if this has been done already but has any news organization done a piece on the 'business of F1'?

Much has been done on Bernie but I'd also be interested in coverage of how smaller teams (ie. Force India) can maintain a team. (what are the team incentives; sponsorship; tech developments, etc)

/any comments, thoughts?


The biggest problem with the business of the sport is the Concorde Agreement, the document that governs how Formula One Management (the commercial group), the FIA (the rules body), and the Formula One Teams' Association (except Red Bull and Ferrari, who negotiate as independent entities) divy up the responsibilities and revenue for the sport. You have effectively five major parties that enter into an agreement, the terms of which are generally kept secret until a new Agreement is reached.

The nicest thing about F1 in regards to the rest of international sports? F1 has the most forthright corruption you'll ever find.
 
2012-10-14 02:30:55 AM  
Holy hell Alonzo 2.8 sec pit stop!
 
2012-10-14 02:31:21 AM  

King Something: There's also the refueling ban (put in place for safety reasons) t


They need to bring back refueling. And as for the concern for safety, remember when they decided you could only use one set of tires for a race? Yeah that's safe.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:22 AM  

seelorq: Let's talk about how much more interesting this is than NASCAR ovals, other than the occasional awesome crashes. Anyone?


How long does it take for a NASCAR pit stop again? 13+ seconds? Case in point.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:52 AM  

WhyteRaven74: King Something: There's also the refueling ban (put in place for safety reasons) t

They need to bring back refueling. And as for the concern for safety, remember when they decided you could only use one set of tires for a race? Yeah that's safe.


In a dry race, you have to use two sets of tires, one of which must be the prime hards. If you are in the top ten, you have to start with the tires you used to set your fastest lap in Q3.
 
2012-10-14 02:33:11 AM  

UNC_Samurai: F1 has the most forthright corruption you'll ever find.


Oh so much this. The current president of the FIA? Jean Todt, former big wig at Ferrari. Why yes it's pretty obvious Ferrari is all but officially getting to whine about everything. Why do you ask?

seelorq: Holy hell Alonzo 2.8 sec pit stop!


last week there was a 2.6 second stop.
 
2012-10-14 02:34:31 AM  

WhyteRaven74: They need to bring back refueling. And as for the concern for safety, remember when they decided you could only use one set of tires for a race? Yeah that's safe.


Agreed. That was ridiculous. Theoretically, you could change tires if it became a safety issue, but you had to do a separate *tires only* stop, so everyone just took the risk. And thus you had crashes like Raikkonen's when his front suspension disintigrated.
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:34:45 AM  

UNC_Samurai:

The nicest thing about F1 in regards to the rest of international sports? F1 has the most forthright corruption you'll ever find.


Well put!
 
2012-10-14 02:36:14 AM  
Button "Perez come from nowhere and.. outbraked himself."
 
2012-10-14 02:37:26 AM  

Jensaarai: Button "Perez come from nowhere and.. outbraked himself."


McLaren has really gotten screwed over the last 15 months by wrecks out of their control
 
2012-10-14 02:38:05 AM  

UNC_Samurai: In a dry race, you have to use two sets of tires, one of which must be the prime hards.


That's the rues now, back in 05 they were utterly insane. Also I'm not a fan of the current tire rules. Let the teams pick what compounds they want at each race.
 
2012-10-14 02:38:51 AM  

WhyteRaven74: King Something: There's also the refueling ban (put in place for safety reasons) t

They need to bring back refueling. And as for the concern for safety, remember when they decided you could only use one set of tires for a race? Yeah that's safe.


Oh, absolutely, along with axing the eight-engine rule and the "no dicking around with the gearbox during a race weekend" rule, both of which have resulted in grid penalties for a couple of drivers this race.

I'm pretty sure the engine limit was put in place so that there wouldn't be any of that nonsense about drivers (coughcoughschumicough) being able to go all-out on a fresh engine every race and every qualifying session.

/Kobayashi is out
 
2012-10-14 02:39:03 AM  
Riccardo is up 5 spots from 16th to 11th. I don't think he can get to the podium considering how flat the racing is, but I think he can get well into the points.
 
2012-10-14 02:39:06 AM  
Announcer: Grosjean a "recipe for disaster."
LOL
 
2012-10-14 02:40:17 AM  
Hamilton (Paraphrased.) Waaaaah! I'm slower than Massa! Give me more wing!
 
2012-10-14 02:40:43 AM  

SniperJoe: That was ridiculous.


Yep. And as for safety and refueling, given other forms of racing and refueling, that doesn't work. Are we supposed to believe that the cars called the ultimate race cars can't manage to safely refuel? Then again we're supposed to accept they're too fragile and sensitive to run more than what 170 miles in a race? But don't dare question they are the ultimate race cars.
 
2012-10-14 02:41:12 AM  
Ooh, Massa said good-bye to McLaren.
 
2012-10-14 02:41:33 AM  
Now let's see if Massa can walk Fernando down.
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:42:00 AM  
Hamilton is the most petulant cry-baby in F1
 
2012-10-14 02:42:54 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Riccardo is up 5 spots from 16th to 11th. I don't think he can get to the podium considering how flat the racing is, but I think he can get well into the points.


Lots of skill and a little luck is all he needs. Button won last year's Canadian GP from P23, and podium from P11 with 33 laps to go is doable.
 
2012-10-14 02:43:20 AM  

King Something: I'm pretty sure the engine limit was put in place so that there wouldn't be any of that nonsense about drivers


I could understand a rule that says "Unless you experience a failure or significant issue, the race in the car before the first practice is the only engine you can use during the weekend" but the current rule is just bogus. Also with every team using current generation engines, no more customer engines that are a revision or even generation behind the current engine the main team gets, the old arguments don't exactly work either.
 
2012-10-14 02:43:37 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Now let's see if Massa can walk Fernando down.


Fenando is faster than Massa. Do you understand?
 
2012-10-14 02:43:51 AM  
Hamster SHALL NOT PASS!
 
2012-10-14 02:44:33 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Now let's see if Massa can walk Fernando down.


If he gets within striking distance, expect the pit crew to tell Massa to look after his tyres.
 
2012-10-14 02:44:52 AM  
It's too bad the way of F1 is that we can't find out what Newey, Brawn and the other top engineers are capable of.
 
2012-10-14 02:45:59 AM  
And for what it isn't worth, De La Rosa has retired, right after Kobiyashi.
 
2012-10-14 02:46:14 AM  
In NASCAR you have cookie cutter tracks, in F1 you have Tilke-cutter tracks.
 
2012-10-14 02:47:11 AM  
Again, hamster, you SHALL NOT PASS.

/would like hamster to pass
 
2012-10-14 02:48:34 AM  
Someone pressures Hamilton, and he suddenly quits whining and picks up a second a lap.
 
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