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2012-10-14 01:14:56 AM  
Hoping Kobayashi marus this like James Tiberius farking Kirk.
 
2012-10-14 01:15:15 AM  

Korean GP Lap 1:
i.imgur.com

 
2012-10-14 01:19:26 AM  

Jensaarai: Korean GP Lap 1:
[i.imgur.com image 591x325]


I would love it if, at the start, the entire field just sat there and let that fark-up go all by himself. I bet he'd still crash at Turn 1.
 
2012-10-14 01:22:22 AM  

Jensaarai: Korean GP Lap 1:
[i.imgur.com image 591x325]


Here's what that looked like from Alonso's perspective.
 
2012-10-14 01:38:29 AM  
So, how many empty seats will there be today? During qualifying there were lots of empty seats.
 
2012-10-14 01:41:16 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Jensaarai: Korean GP Lap 1:
[i.imgur.com image 591x325]

Here's what that looked like from Alonso's perspective.


That was brilliant.
 
2012-10-14 01:42:31 AM  

WhyteRaven74: So, how many empty seats will there be today? During qualifying there were lots of empty seats.


If I had been attending, after 2010, I'd be hesitant to buy tickets again. It was an absolute monsoon.

/Texas is expensive as hell, but they'll have great weather.
 
2012-10-14 01:43:48 AM  

UNC_Samurai: It was an absolute monsoon.


Weather is one issue, the fact the track is not exactly close to any major cities in Korea is another one.
 
mjg
2012-10-14 01:45:49 AM  
Greetings Gents,
Good to see there are some other Farkers watching.

/Go Kimi
 
2012-10-14 01:46:29 AM  

WhyteRaven74: So, how many empty seats will there be today? During qualifying there were lots of empty seats.


So how often does qualifying sell out?

/Never been to an F1 race, so curious.
//Live in Long Beach and watch the sports cars and GP for free from a parking garage overlooking the track. Awesome view of a corner approach, brake hard right, then full-throttle down a long straight.
Gives me goosebumps every year. Especially those farking shrieking Ferraris. Rumbly Vettes good, too.
///Slashies come in threes, I hear.
 
2012-10-14 01:47:38 AM  

seelorq: So how often does qualifying sell out?


Pretty regularly. It's not usual to see large swaths of seats empty for an F1 qualifying session. And at some races, qualifying sells out because so many people want to see something, anything and race tickets are gone in the blink of an eye.
 
2012-10-14 01:48:18 AM  
And now for the national anthem...

♫ ♫ BAH WEEP GRA NA WEEP NINNY BONG ♫ ♫
 
2012-10-14 01:48:40 AM  
LOL @ Buxton

He writes an article somewhat defending Grosjean, and backs it up in a Reddit AMA.

Then he asks Massa if he's concerned about starting new Grosjean before going to Lotus.

A+ shiat stirring. Fark level, even.
 
2012-10-14 01:49:04 AM  
BTW anyone catch Formula 1 Debrief and Hobbs getting very snarky about Niki Lauda getting involved with Mercedes?
 
mjg
2012-10-14 01:49:11 AM  
 
2012-10-14 01:51:33 AM  

Jensaarai: LOL @ Buxton


Buxton is awesome. Also he's one of a very few people with permanent F1 credentials, meaning he doesn't have to apply for credentials for each race, his credentials are good for every race. Which makes him a rather rare breed.
 
2012-10-14 01:52:28 AM  

WhyteRaven74: BTW anyone catch Formula 1 Debrief and Hobbs getting very snarky about Niki Lauda getting involved with Mercedes?


The SPEED crew has been talking mad shiat about the future of Mercedes with Buxton. To listen to them, Brawn will be gone soon and the team will go the way of Jaguar within a few seasons.

/They may not be wrong
 
2012-10-14 01:52:42 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: LOL @ Buxton

Buxton is awesome. Also he's one of a very few people with permanent F1 credentials, meaning he doesn't have to apply for credentials for each race, his credentials are good for every race. Which makes him a rather rare breed.


And he doesn't set foot three wigs to the wind like Eddie Jordan.
 
2012-10-14 01:52:43 AM  
I take it everyone has heard that starting next year NBC will have F1 for the US....
 
2012-10-14 01:53:33 AM  

UNC_Samurai: WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: LOL @ Buxton

Buxton is awesome. Also he's one of a very few people with permanent F1 credentials, meaning he doesn't have to apply for credentials for each race, his credentials are good for every race. Which makes him a rather rare breed.

And he doesn't set foot three wigs to the wind like Eddie Jordan.


*set foot on the grid. And I'm sobering up
 
mjg
2012-10-14 01:54:21 AM  

WhyteRaven74: I take it everyone has heard that starting next year NBC will have F1 for the US....


No Bob Costas, no Bob Costas, no bob...
 
2012-10-14 01:55:08 AM  

Jensaarai: /They may not be wrong


Given Lauda's history? I suspect they're not wrong. Also I can't imagine Brawn getting along with Lauda for long. Brawn has no reason to suffer anyone.

UNC_Samurai: like Eddie Jordan.


Well yeah, but then Buxton is English, Jordan is Scottish.
 
2012-10-14 01:55:21 AM  

mjg: WhyteRaven74: I take it everyone has heard that starting next year NBC will have F1 for the US....

No Bob Costas, no Bob Costas, no bob...


Better Cris Collinsworth than Bob Varsha.
 
2012-10-14 01:55:32 AM  

WhyteRaven74: I take it everyone has heard that starting next year NBC will have F1 for the US....


I can't say I've ever watch NBC's coverage of auto racing. Do they usually have more commercials than Fox, less, or about the same?
 
2012-10-14 01:56:10 AM  

mjg: No Bob Costas, no Bob Costas, no bob...


heh I'm wondering if there'll be any live coverage of the races at all, and I'm not expecting any in depth stuff, like Formula 1 Debrief at all.
 
2012-10-14 01:57:51 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Better Cris Collinsworth than Bob Varsha.


I wouldn't go that far.

King Something: Do they usually have more commercials than Fox, less, or about the same?


Well for Indy car racing, they've had less, and the coverage hasn't been bad, but then they've had two of the very few people who are any good doing the coverage. Who knows what they'll do with F1.
 
2012-10-14 01:58:06 AM  

WhyteRaven74: seelorq: So how often does qualifying sell out?

Pretty regularly. It's not usual to see large swaths of seats empty for an F1 qualifying session. And at some races, qualifying sells out because so many people want to see something, anything and race tickets are gone in the blink of an eye.


OK, I understand...race day tix in Long Beach are steep, too, which is why I climb into that parking garage. I am still amazed the sanctioning bodies/sponsors haven't gone all nazi and roped it off, but until they do, I'll be trackside for free. It's kinda awesome that I live close enough to the downtown track area that the cars practicing wake me up in the morning! Much better than a beeping alarm clock...
 
2012-10-14 01:59:58 AM  

seelorq: . I am still amazed the sanctioning bodies/sponsors haven't gone all nazi and roped it off, but until they do, I'll be trackside for free


Most racing sanctioning bodies are pretty laid back. Now the people who do Formula 1? Not so much. Officially yes it's the FIA, but Formula 1 has it's own body within the FIA just as other sanctioning bodies operate under FIA auspices, just that F1 is a lot more wrapped up in the FIA.
 
2012-10-14 02:00:15 AM  
Here we go....
 
2012-10-14 02:01:45 AM  

UNC_Samurai: mjg: WhyteRaven74: I take it everyone has heard that starting next year NBC will have F1 for the US....

No Bob Costas, no Bob Costas, no bob...

Better Cris Collinsworth than Bob Varsha.


Why not bring in Sam Posey a little more? I like his stuff. He sounds like History the way the old 1970s NFL slo-mo guy did. Those were awesome.
 
2012-10-14 02:02:26 AM  
And given there will likely be two US F1 races, the question comes up again why there isn't at least one US backed/based/owned F1 team and no American F1 drivers.
 
2012-10-14 02:02:36 AM  

WhyteRaven74: mjg: No Bob Costas, no Bob Costas, no bob...

heh I'm wondering if there'll be any live coverage of the races at all, and I'm not expecting any in depth stuff, like Formula 1 Debrief at all.


Oh, God, I just remembered that NBC Sports does coverage of the Olympics. This means that they will almost certainly tape-delay the Canadian, American, US and Brazilian Grands Prix for "east coast prime time" rather than letting people watch live, even though all can be aired live in the US with no problems at all save any conflicts with early NFL games.

/formation lap, drivers are preparing
//please wait warmly until they are ready
 
2012-10-14 02:03:45 AM  
Boogity boogity boogity!
 
2012-10-14 02:04:01 AM  
Green
 
2012-10-14 02:04:23 AM  
Holy shiat what a start.
 
2012-10-14 02:05:29 AM  
And Button out. Too bad.
 
2012-10-14 02:05:40 AM  
Was that a Williams or a Sauber that nailed Button's front right?
 
2012-10-14 02:05:41 AM  

King Something: even though all can be aired live in the US with no problems


and NBC has NBC Sports where they could show everything live, and then just re-air it on NBC proper.
 
2012-10-14 02:05:48 AM  
Grosjean hasn't crashed!
 
2012-10-14 02:06:03 AM  
bye bye Vettel
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:06:06 AM  
Best start this season (three wide)

"Kobiashi is s jerk". heh
 
2012-10-14 02:06:06 AM  
Ouch. Button's right/front suspension got Kobayashi'd.
 
2012-10-14 02:07:01 AM  
And now Britney is against the wall.
 
2012-10-14 02:07:12 AM  

seelorq: Why not bring in Sam Posey a little more? I like his stuff. He sounds like History the way the old 1970s NFL slo-mo guy did. Those were awesome.


I love Posey, have since I was a kid in the 80s and he was on ABC as part of their CART broadcast team. I love how he doesn't hold back with what he thinks, like a few races back when he was very critical of how F1 is making innovation all but impossible.
 
2012-10-14 02:07:37 AM  
Angela Cope'd
 
2012-10-14 02:08:06 AM  
Kobayashi managed to make it to the box, but Rosberg and Button aren't so lucky.
 
2012-10-14 02:08:21 AM  
As I understand it, the death of Kim Jong Il has reduced the odds of him winning the North Korean Gran Prix to 5:2.
 
2012-10-14 02:08:33 AM  

King Something: Ouch. Button's right/front suspension got Kobayashi'd.


Kobayashi, like Kirk who rewrote the rules, is apparently somewhat ruthless in his maru-ing.
 
2012-10-14 02:08:41 AM  
Yep, Jenson Button just got a taste of the old Kamui Kobiyashi Maru.
 
2012-10-14 02:09:21 AM  

WhyteRaven74: seelorq: Why not bring in Sam Posey a little more? I like his stuff. He sounds like History the way the old 1970s NFL slo-mo guy did. Those were awesome.

I love Posey, have since I was a kid in the 80s and he was on ABC as part of their CART broadcast team. I love how he doesn't hold back with what he thinks, like a few races back when he was very critical of how F1 is making innovation all but impossible.


This.
 
2012-10-14 02:11:37 AM  
Also on the innovation front, while nominally bottling it up is claimed to keep costs down, if you think about it, having ultra strict rules where doing something really innovative is impossible actually favors the big teams, it doesn't level things at all.
 
2012-10-14 02:11:39 AM  
OMG. Kobayashi marued himself. LOVE that shredded tire flapping in slo-mo!
 
2012-10-14 02:13:11 AM  

WhyteRaven74: And given there will likely be two US F1 races, the question comes up again why there isn't at least one US backed/based/owned F1 team and no American F1 drivers.


There was a US F1 team. They were called US F1 Team. They couldn't afford to compete and ended up folding like gentlemen's literature.
 
2012-10-14 02:15:20 AM  

King Something: WhyteRaven74: And given there will likely be two US F1 races, the question comes up again why there isn't at least one US backed/based/owned F1 team and no American F1 drivers.

There was a US F1 team. They were called US F1 Team. They couldn't afford to compete and ended up folding like gentlemen's literature.


Welcome to Fark, Mr. Brundle.
 
2012-10-14 02:15:20 AM  

King Something: There was a US F1 team. They were called US F1 Team.


heh I remember that, almost as bad as Lola's F1 effort. Be nice if there was an F1 team with some sort of US connection, it's not like Americans doing well in F1 is unknown, but no one ever really built in that success.
 
2012-10-14 02:16:10 AM  
DRS disabled due to yellow flags in the DRS zone. Any idea why there's still a yellow in that area?
 
2012-10-14 02:16:33 AM  
The marshals can't get to the car and aren't doing anything to get to it. Well now we know where the replacement NFL refs went...
 
2012-10-14 02:17:46 AM  
I don't know if I'd give anything to Kobiyashi with the words "drive through"
 
2012-10-14 02:18:06 AM  
Never mind, they just showed a close-up of the chunk of carbon on the track. Also, Kamui is taking a drive-through
 
2012-10-14 02:20:13 AM  
Debris is gone, DRS re-enabled.
 
2012-10-14 02:20:24 AM  
Cripes, Vettel is running away....SOMEBODY CRASH!

Back to green. Let's take a commercial break instead. Fark you Speed.
 
2012-10-14 02:22:42 AM  
Anyone else wish F1 races weren't all the same or nearly the same length and there was some variation in the race lengths? Also that they got rid of the pants on head retarded time limit thing.
 
2012-10-14 02:25:04 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Anyone else wish F1 races weren't all the same or nearly the same length and there was some variation in the race lengths? Also that they got rid of the pants on head retarded time limit thing.


The teams want the time limit, though. Even idling those engines puts a lot of wear on those engines, and you only get eight to cycle through in a season.
 
2012-10-14 02:26:12 AM  
Let's talk about how much more interesting this is than NASCAR ovals, other than the occasional awesome crashes. Anyone?
 
2012-10-14 02:26:34 AM  

UNC_Samurai: and you only get eight to cycle through in a season.


That needs to go. Also bring back refueling. And let's have some fun. A 450 km race at Spa? That would be fun.
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:26:53 AM  
Correct me if this has been done already but has any news organization done a piece on the 'business of F1'?

Much has been done on Bernie but I'd also be interested in coverage of how smaller teams (ie. Force India) can maintain a team. (what are the team incentives; sponsorship; tech developments, etc)

/any comments, thoughts?
 
2012-10-14 02:27:26 AM  

seelorq: Let's talk about how much more interesting this is than NASCAR ovals, other than the occasional awesome crashes. Anyone?


This race has been pretty good, the race last weekend was awesome. Plenty of passing and the pit strategy got seriously interesting.
 
2012-10-14 02:28:22 AM  
Cool shot there of hamster in the pits.
 
2012-10-14 02:29:25 AM  

UNC_Samurai: WhyteRaven74: Anyone else wish F1 races weren't all the same or nearly the same length and there was some variation in the race lengths? Also that they got rid of the pants on head retarded time limit thing.

The teams want the time limit, though. Even idling those engines puts a lot of wear on those engines, and you only get eight to cycle through in a season.


There's also the refueling ban (put in place for safety reasons) to think about. If the races were longer, they would have to start the race on a full tank in order to go the distance -- and if the race is long enough, even that might not be enough.

/somebody's gonna get a drive-through for an unsafe release from the box....
 
2012-10-14 02:30:16 AM  

mjg: Correct me if this has been done already but has any news organization done a piece on the 'business of F1'?


Plenty. And Force India by virtue of doing pretty well this season will have a nice chunk of change to aid them next season. Part of the F1 revenue sharing deal with the teams is the share of TV revenues each constructor gets is dependent on where they finish in the constructors championship. Thus the rich get richer. Also Force India is not exactly a poorly funded team as is. No they don't have the huge budget of Red Bull, Ferrari or McLaren but they're hardly on the level of Caterham or Marusia either.
 
2012-10-14 02:30:19 AM  

WhyteRaven74: seelorq: Let's talk about how much more interesting this is than NASCAR ovals, other than the occasional awesome crashes. Anyone?

This race has been pretty good, the race last weekend was awesome. Plenty of passing and the pit strategy got seriously interesting.


Agreed.
 
2012-10-14 02:30:44 AM  

mjg: Correct me if this has been done already but has any news organization done a piece on the 'business of F1'?

Much has been done on Bernie but I'd also be interested in coverage of how smaller teams (ie. Force India) can maintain a team. (what are the team incentives; sponsorship; tech developments, etc)

/any comments, thoughts?


The biggest problem with the business of the sport is the Concorde Agreement, the document that governs how Formula One Management (the commercial group), the FIA (the rules body), and the Formula One Teams' Association (except Red Bull and Ferrari, who negotiate as independent entities) divy up the responsibilities and revenue for the sport. You have effectively five major parties that enter into an agreement, the terms of which are generally kept secret until a new Agreement is reached.

The nicest thing about F1 in regards to the rest of international sports? F1 has the most forthright corruption you'll ever find.
 
2012-10-14 02:30:55 AM  
Holy hell Alonzo 2.8 sec pit stop!
 
2012-10-14 02:31:21 AM  

King Something: There's also the refueling ban (put in place for safety reasons) t


They need to bring back refueling. And as for the concern for safety, remember when they decided you could only use one set of tires for a race? Yeah that's safe.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:22 AM  

seelorq: Let's talk about how much more interesting this is than NASCAR ovals, other than the occasional awesome crashes. Anyone?


How long does it take for a NASCAR pit stop again? 13+ seconds? Case in point.
 
2012-10-14 02:32:52 AM  

WhyteRaven74: King Something: There's also the refueling ban (put in place for safety reasons) t

They need to bring back refueling. And as for the concern for safety, remember when they decided you could only use one set of tires for a race? Yeah that's safe.


In a dry race, you have to use two sets of tires, one of which must be the prime hards. If you are in the top ten, you have to start with the tires you used to set your fastest lap in Q3.
 
2012-10-14 02:33:11 AM  

UNC_Samurai: F1 has the most forthright corruption you'll ever find.


Oh so much this. The current president of the FIA? Jean Todt, former big wig at Ferrari. Why yes it's pretty obvious Ferrari is all but officially getting to whine about everything. Why do you ask?

seelorq: Holy hell Alonzo 2.8 sec pit stop!


last week there was a 2.6 second stop.
 
2012-10-14 02:34:31 AM  

WhyteRaven74: They need to bring back refueling. And as for the concern for safety, remember when they decided you could only use one set of tires for a race? Yeah that's safe.


Agreed. That was ridiculous. Theoretically, you could change tires if it became a safety issue, but you had to do a separate *tires only* stop, so everyone just took the risk. And thus you had crashes like Raikkonen's when his front suspension disintigrated.
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:34:45 AM  

UNC_Samurai:

The nicest thing about F1 in regards to the rest of international sports? F1 has the most forthright corruption you'll ever find.


Well put!
 
2012-10-14 02:36:14 AM  
Button "Perez come from nowhere and.. outbraked himself."
 
2012-10-14 02:37:26 AM  

Jensaarai: Button "Perez come from nowhere and.. outbraked himself."


McLaren has really gotten screwed over the last 15 months by wrecks out of their control
 
2012-10-14 02:38:05 AM  

UNC_Samurai: In a dry race, you have to use two sets of tires, one of which must be the prime hards.


That's the rues now, back in 05 they were utterly insane. Also I'm not a fan of the current tire rules. Let the teams pick what compounds they want at each race.
 
2012-10-14 02:38:51 AM  

WhyteRaven74: King Something: There's also the refueling ban (put in place for safety reasons) t

They need to bring back refueling. And as for the concern for safety, remember when they decided you could only use one set of tires for a race? Yeah that's safe.


Oh, absolutely, along with axing the eight-engine rule and the "no dicking around with the gearbox during a race weekend" rule, both of which have resulted in grid penalties for a couple of drivers this race.

I'm pretty sure the engine limit was put in place so that there wouldn't be any of that nonsense about drivers (coughcoughschumicough) being able to go all-out on a fresh engine every race and every qualifying session.

/Kobayashi is out
 
2012-10-14 02:39:03 AM  
Riccardo is up 5 spots from 16th to 11th. I don't think he can get to the podium considering how flat the racing is, but I think he can get well into the points.
 
2012-10-14 02:39:06 AM  
Announcer: Grosjean a "recipe for disaster."
LOL
 
2012-10-14 02:40:17 AM  
Hamilton (Paraphrased.) Waaaaah! I'm slower than Massa! Give me more wing!
 
2012-10-14 02:40:43 AM  

SniperJoe: That was ridiculous.


Yep. And as for safety and refueling, given other forms of racing and refueling, that doesn't work. Are we supposed to believe that the cars called the ultimate race cars can't manage to safely refuel? Then again we're supposed to accept they're too fragile and sensitive to run more than what 170 miles in a race? But don't dare question they are the ultimate race cars.
 
2012-10-14 02:41:12 AM  
Ooh, Massa said good-bye to McLaren.
 
2012-10-14 02:41:33 AM  
Now let's see if Massa can walk Fernando down.
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:42:00 AM  
Hamilton is the most petulant cry-baby in F1
 
2012-10-14 02:42:54 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Riccardo is up 5 spots from 16th to 11th. I don't think he can get to the podium considering how flat the racing is, but I think he can get well into the points.


Lots of skill and a little luck is all he needs. Button won last year's Canadian GP from P23, and podium from P11 with 33 laps to go is doable.
 
2012-10-14 02:43:20 AM  

King Something: I'm pretty sure the engine limit was put in place so that there wouldn't be any of that nonsense about drivers


I could understand a rule that says "Unless you experience a failure or significant issue, the race in the car before the first practice is the only engine you can use during the weekend" but the current rule is just bogus. Also with every team using current generation engines, no more customer engines that are a revision or even generation behind the current engine the main team gets, the old arguments don't exactly work either.
 
2012-10-14 02:43:37 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Now let's see if Massa can walk Fernando down.


Fenando is faster than Massa. Do you understand?
 
2012-10-14 02:43:51 AM  
Hamster SHALL NOT PASS!
 
2012-10-14 02:44:33 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Now let's see if Massa can walk Fernando down.


If he gets within striking distance, expect the pit crew to tell Massa to look after his tyres.
 
2012-10-14 02:44:52 AM  
It's too bad the way of F1 is that we can't find out what Newey, Brawn and the other top engineers are capable of.
 
2012-10-14 02:45:59 AM  
And for what it isn't worth, De La Rosa has retired, right after Kobiyashi.
 
2012-10-14 02:46:14 AM  
In NASCAR you have cookie cutter tracks, in F1 you have Tilke-cutter tracks.
 
2012-10-14 02:47:11 AM  
Again, hamster, you SHALL NOT PASS.

/would like hamster to pass
 
2012-10-14 02:48:34 AM  
Someone pressures Hamilton, and he suddenly quits whining and picks up a second a lap.
 
2012-10-14 02:49:38 AM  

Jensaarai: Someone pressures Hamilton, and he suddenly quits whining and picks up a second a lap.


Which he'll either keep or manage to screw up, likely badly.
 
2012-10-14 02:49:54 AM  

WhyteRaven74: In NASCAR you have cookie cutter tracks, in F1 you have Tilke-cutter tracks.


yep.
 
2012-10-14 02:50:02 AM  

Oh, an on track battle? Let's go to commercial - fark u speed. Should have just went to bed an torrented the UK

coverage n the morning
 
2012-10-14 02:51:37 AM  
Ah, yes, the F1 2012 video game. Try it without an expensive wheel - it's a great way to recreate the start of Spa!
 
2012-10-14 02:51:44 AM  

seelorq: yep.


If you want excitement watch a Moto-GP or World Superbike race on a Tilke track.

/yes that's sarcasm
 
2012-10-14 02:52:39 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: Someone pressures Hamilton, and he suddenly quits whining and picks up a second a lap.

Which he'll either keep or manage to screw up, likely badly.


He boxed for fresh rubber, and got a "quality" pit stop.
 
2012-10-14 02:52:47 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Ah, yes, the F1 2012 video game.


The 2012 F1 game, which came out two weeks before the 2013 FIFA soccer game. The FIA hasn't quite figured out the whole release date thing with games yet. Yeah let's release the game near the end of the season with the current year.
 
2012-10-14 02:54:02 AM  

King Something: He boxed for fresh rubber, and got a "quality" pit stop.


No set of circumstances exists which prevent Hamilton from farking things up royally. He can be absolutely brilliant or damn near Karthikayen-esque. Sometimes on the same lap.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:18 AM  

WhyteRaven74: UNC_Samurai: Ah, yes, the F1 2012 video game.

The 2012 F1 game, which came out two weeks before the 2013 FIFA soccer game. The FIA hasn't quite figured out the whole release date thing with games yet. Yeah let's release the game near the end of the season with the current year.


They can't release their title until late in the season because they don't get to see the cars before the season starts. The dev team gets no help in figuring out how to model the cars.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:33 AM  
Grosjean, son, I am disappoint.

Crash already.
 
2012-10-14 02:55:37 AM  
Speaking of the F1 game, I'd love it if they came out with a game where you could pick cars from any era and race, and in the case of cars from the last 30 or so years, race head to head, so race an 86 Williams against a 98 McLaren. Hell create a feature to let people assemble their own car.
 
2012-10-14 02:57:59 AM  

UNC_Samurai: They can't release their title until late in the season because they don't get to see the cars before the season starts.


They could do a lot before seeing the cars, and given they see the cars by the end of February, shouldn't be long to do what amounts to putting new skins on the existing models.
 
2012-10-14 02:58:27 AM  
Hulkenburg (paraphrased): "Why do I have to keep racing? Can't I just quit now?"
 
mjg
2012-10-14 02:59:04 AM  

WhyteRaven74: In NASCAR you have cookie cutter tracks, in F1 you have Tilke-cutter tracks.


"[To drivers and fans] a top five of Tilke tracks will be like a nicest smelling dog poo competition, or a battle to determine Justin Bieber's best song."

/ heh.
 
2012-10-14 03:00:35 AM  
Not expecting that shot of the car exiting to pit...got me queasy.
 
2012-10-14 03:01:24 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Speaking of the F1 game, I'd love it if they came out with a game where you could pick cars from any era and race, and in the case of cars from the last 30 or so years, race head to head, so race an 86 Williams against a 98 McLaren. Hell create a feature to let people assemble their own car.


Bernie won't allow it.

They could do a lot before seeing the cars, and given they see the cars by the end of February, shouldn't be long to do what amounts to putting new skins on the existing models.

If it was that easy, they'd be able to release the game in late March or early April.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:14 AM  

King Something: If it was that easy, they'd be able to release the game in late March or early April.


I was thinking late May certainly would be reasonable.

Bernie won't allow it.

Yet another reason to despise the man. Given the history of F1 you could have one of the all time great racing games, but Bernie is too much of an idjit to see what could be done.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:24 AM  
Good job there, Grosjean.
 
2012-10-14 03:05:27 AM  
Nice, Vettel. You don't need that tire anyway.
 
2012-10-14 03:06:06 AM  
Grosjean won't have "graining" to blame for the next few laps.
 
2012-10-14 03:06:47 AM  
Alonso pits, gets out behind Glock; passes him with blue flags in the DRS zone.

Vettel and Massa pit, neither loses ground (exiting in P1 and P2 respectively)
 
2012-10-14 03:08:54 AM  
Once again, implied team orders ruin another race.

There's no way Webber even endangers Vettel's tires by getting near him unless Alonso closes. Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him
 
2012-10-14 03:10:22 AM  
oh sweet jeebus..."faster, stronger"....HEAVIER weathertech stuff.

How are mud guards faster?
 
2012-10-14 03:10:43 AM  
Or as Red Bull puts it "Webber is on a longer stint."
 
2012-10-14 03:10:55 AM  
And even Speed gets in a "can you understand this message" crack.
 
2012-10-14 03:11:59 AM  
"You need to back off Fernando"

Stay farking classy, Ferrari.
 
2012-10-14 03:12:54 AM  

Jensaarai: Once again, implied team orders ruin another race.

There's no way Webber even endangers Vettel's tires by getting near him unless Alonso closes. Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him


What's with all this "implied" malarkey? They just told Massa "you're too close."
 
2012-10-14 03:13:10 AM  
This is the sort of crap that made me bail on F1 after that ridiculous Barrichello/Schumacher bullshiat.
 
2012-10-14 03:13:30 AM  

Jensaarai: Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him


Massa has nothing to lose. He's not coming back to Ferrari next year, so not like he has any incentive to give a damn.
 
2012-10-14 03:14:42 AM  

UNC_Samurai: "You need to back off Fernando"


And because the head of the FIA is a former Ferrari guy, even that flagrant violation of the sporting regulations won't be punished.
 
2012-10-14 03:15:17 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him

Massa has nothing to lose. He's not coming back to Ferrari next year, so not like he has any incentive to give a damn.


The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.
 
2012-10-14 03:15:47 AM  
OK, when is somebody gonna fark this to bring the field back up to Vettel?
 
2012-10-14 03:15:52 AM  

Jensaarai: This is the sort of crap that made me bail on F1 after that ridiculous Barrichello/Schumacher bullshiat.


This is why I biatch so much about Ferrari - they don't care if their shenanigans ruin the sport so long as they can put another trophy on the shelf.

/Fernando and deMontezebungholio deserve each other
 
paj
2012-10-14 03:18:50 AM  

Jensaarai: WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: Alonso isn't pressured from behind because he knows Massa will never pass him

Massa has nothing to lose. He's not coming back to Ferrari next year, so not like he has any incentive to give a damn.

The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.


On the BBC feed on TSN, David Coulthard mentioned that he's heard rumblings that Ferrari will announce that Massa is staying sometime this week.
 
2012-10-14 03:19:28 AM  

Jensaarai: The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.


I heard that, but I can't imagine him resigning without it being announced. It's not like there's any reason to keep it under wraps.

they don't care if their shenanigans ruin the sport so long as they can put another trophy on the shelf.

I remember when a few teams, notably Williams, were handing Ferrari their ass in the early 90s when things like traction control and other things were legal and Ferrari apparently couldn't figure out the new tech or find its ass with both hands. After a couple seasons of looking bad, all that tech gear was banned. Not only was stuff that was being used banned, stuff no one had even raced, like the CVT Williams was working on was banned. So Williams had years of R&D thrown out the window on something they never even used. And by all appearances, all this just to help Ferrari.
 
2012-10-14 03:21:11 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.

I heard that, but I can't imagine him resigning without it being announced. It's not like there's any reason to keep it under wraps.

they don't care if their shenanigans ruin the sport so long as they can put another trophy on the shelf.

I remember when a few teams, notably Williams, were handing Ferrari their ass in the early 90s when things like traction control and other things were legal and Ferrari apparently couldn't figure out the new tech or find its ass with both hands. After a couple seasons of looking bad, all that tech gear was banned. Not only was stuff that was being used banned, stuff no one had even raced, like the CVT Williams was working on was banned. So Williams had years of R&D thrown out the window on something they never even used. And by all appearances, all this just to help Ferrari.


And let's not forget how they ruined the U.S. Grand Prix - and killed F1 in the U.S. for the better part of a decade - by refusing to compromise when only three teams had workable tires.
 
2012-10-14 03:23:36 AM  

UNC_Samurai: And let's not forget how they ruined the U.S. Grand Prix - and killed F1 in the U.S. for the better part of a decade - by refusing to compromise when only three teams had workable tires.


And that.
 
2012-10-14 03:23:56 AM  

UNC_Samurai: WhyteRaven74: Jensaarai: The SPEED crew were just speculating he had re-signed in the wake of Lewis to Mercedes and his performance last weekend.

I heard that, but I can't imagine him resigning without it being announced. It's not like there's any reason to keep it under wraps.

they don't care if their shenanigans ruin the sport so long as they can put another trophy on the shelf.

I remember when a few teams, notably Williams, were handing Ferrari their ass in the early 90s when things like traction control and other things were legal and Ferrari apparently couldn't figure out the new tech or find its ass with both hands. After a couple seasons of looking bad, all that tech gear was banned. Not only was stuff that was being used banned, stuff no one had even raced, like the CVT Williams was working on was banned. So Williams had years of R&D thrown out the window on something they never even used. And by all appearances, all this just to help Ferrari.

And let's not forget how they ruined the U.S. Grand Prix - and killed F1 in the U.S. for the better part of a decade - by refusing to compromise when only three teams had workable tires.


Ferrari was one of the three teams with workable tyres. That's why the FIA didn't compromise.

/10 laps to go
 
2012-10-14 03:29:03 AM  

WhyteRaven74: UNC_Samurai: "You need to back off Fernando"

And because the head of the FIA is a former Ferrari guy, even that flagrant violation of the sporting regulations won't be punished.


What fragrant violation of the regs? Team orders are allowed, it's a team sport, the team are entitled to do what they want with their cars.

Besides how stupid would Ferrari look if Massa beats Alonso here and Fernando goes on to lose the championship by 1 or 2 points. Massa is out of the title hunt so he has to play second fiddle, he'll get another chance next year.

And lets not pretend that Red Bull and McLaren don't tell drivers to hold station when it suits them.
 
2012-10-14 03:30:10 AM  
Stupid steak house commercial. 4 minutes for that beef filet, each side, at med high, will get you
that...allow to rest on warmed plate about 7 minutes or so...and then enjoy the awesome yummy.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:02 AM  
Astroturf fail.

The annoying thing about these tactics is that if you *have* to be a blatant shiat head about team orders, why not release Massa to pressure Red Bull, then call him into the pits?

The only reason not to do that is Alonso's pride.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:05 AM  

Adman1138: What fragrant violation of the regs? Team orders are allowed, it's a team sport, the team are entitled to do what they want with their cars.


Team orders were banned outright in 02, and while the ban was nominally lifted, the FIA can still smack a team for team orders that are seen as being anti-competitive, like telling a driver he can't race his own teammate.

Besides how stupid would Ferrari look if Massa beats Alonso here and Fernando goes on to lose the championship by 1 or 2 points

Welcome to racing, perhaps they should've given Alsono a better car in the early part of the season so he could snag a few more podiums.
 
2012-10-14 03:32:44 AM  
5 laps to go, Vettel in P1 but his right front tyre is wearing a bit
 
2012-10-14 03:35:44 AM  

WhyteRaven74: SniperJoe: That was ridiculous.

Yep. And as for safety and refueling, given other forms of racing and refueling, that doesn't work. Are we supposed to believe that the cars called the ultimate race cars can't manage to safely refuel? Then again we're supposed to accept they're too fragile and sensitive to run more than what 170 miles in a race? But don't dare question they are the ultimate race cars.


This is why GT beats the ever-loving shiat out of F1.
 
2012-10-14 03:36:46 AM  
LOL HAMILTON
 
2012-10-14 03:37:22 AM  
Astroturf. Huh.
 
2012-10-14 03:37:33 AM  
Lewis just picked up a huge piece of astroturf

/2 laps to go
 
2012-10-14 03:37:40 AM  
Hamilton astroturf?
 
paj
2012-10-14 03:40:52 AM  
Oppa.
 
2012-10-14 03:40:59 AM  

i344.photobucket.com
SURPRISE! Seb won!
Three races in a row, at that!

 
2012-10-14 03:41:40 AM  
And Vettel moves to tie Jim Clark and Niki Lauda for seventh most career wins.
 
2012-10-14 03:43:19 AM  
So, how hard will the Red Bull team facepalm if they find out their worries about the tire were due to a faulty sensor?
 
2012-10-14 03:43:54 AM  
*grumbles*

Still a pretty good F1 race, I suppose. Not as good as it could be, but filled with lulz P5 and back.
 
2012-10-14 03:47:24 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Adman1138: What fragrant violation of the regs? Team orders are allowed, it's a team sport, the team are entitled to do what they want with their cars.

Team orders were banned outright in 02, and while the ban was nominally lifted, the FIA can still smack a team for team orders that are seen as being anti-competitive, like telling a driver he can't race his own teammate.


The FIA will only come down on a team for using team orders to bring the sport into disrepute, as Ferrari did with that embarrassment in Austria 02. Telling drivers to hold station is fine, it's nothing to do with Jean Todt being head of the FIA, it's part of Formula 1, it always has been and if you don't like it maybe you should go watch something else.

Besides how stupid would Ferrari look if Massa beats Alonso here and Fernando goes on to lose the championship by 1 or 2 points

Welcome to racing, perhaps they should've given Alsono a better car in the early part of the season so he could snag a few more podiums.


Yep, they should have done, but they didn't so now they're using both cars to maximise their chances of winning the title.
 
paj
2012-10-14 03:48:15 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-14 03:48:35 AM  

WhyteRaven74: So, how hard will the Red Bull team facepalm if they find out their worries about the tire were due to a faulty sensor?


Not very, seeing as there were a bunch of close-up slow-mo replays of Seb's right front worn a bit more harshly on the inside than the outside as well as being more worn overall than the other three.
 
paj
2012-10-14 03:49:07 AM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-14 03:50:24 AM  
Both Toro Rosso's in the points. Nice.
 
2012-10-14 03:53:42 AM  

Adman1138: it always has been and if you don't like it maybe you should go watch something else.


Having two drivers and not having them both race to their fullest, even when it means racing each other, is pretty much the textbook definition of bringing the sport into disrepute.
 
2012-10-14 03:54:39 AM  
And Newey gets drenched in champagne.
 
2012-10-14 03:58:31 AM  
Standings after 16 races, top ten drivers and top five teams:

VET 215
ALO 209
RAI 167
HAM 153
WEB 152
BUT 131
ROS 93
GRO 88
MAS 81
PER 66

RBR Renault 367
Ferrari 290
McLaren Mercedes 284
Lotus Renault 255
Mercedes 136

If any drivers or teams have the same number of points (including zero points), ties are broken by quality of finishes -- one first place finish is worth more than any number of second place finishes, one P2 finish worth more than several P3 finishes, and so on.

The next race is in two weeks in India, 28 October at 5:30 AM Eastern/2:30 AM Pacific
 
2012-10-14 04:47:35 AM  

WhyteRaven74: So, how hard will the Red Bull team facepalm if they find out their worries about the tire were due to a faulty sensor?


Don't think they were really worried. They just need to think of new ways to trick Vettel into not setting fastest laps when the race is over. Nothing bad has happened but I'm sure they don't like the risk and want to save the engine. Vettel's tyre looked dodgy but not in immediate danger of puncturing.
 
2012-10-14 05:28:00 AM  

King Something: Lewis just picked up a huge piece of astroturf

/2 laps to go


Hopefully this will get rid of that stuff, it is as bad as when they paint the concrete green.

paj: [i.imgur.com image 694x389]


As great as that, this is what I have been looking for:

www.deccanchronicle.com

Has anyone seen more drivers dancing?
 
paj
2012-10-14 06:33:39 AM  

soj4life: Has anyone seen more drivers dancing?


wtf1.co.uk
 
2012-10-14 08:27:30 AM  
Watched "Senna" again last night.
tear. eye.
 
2012-10-14 11:20:04 AM  
I'm pretty sure that AstroTurf hanging on is the most absurd thing I've seen in F1. Not the craziest, (Mark going for a pleasure flight), but definitely the most WTF...

/Have to think whoever decided that laying it down Thursday night was A-OK will be sacked
 
2012-10-14 12:10:03 PM  
I love how people only complain about team orders when Ferrari does it.

I don't understand how people can honestly complain about Ferrari expecting their drive to do what is best for the team.
1) If Massa passed Alonso, the TEAM would have likely score no more points towards the WCC. Massa might have caught Webber, but who knows if he would have gotten around.
2) The TEAM wants a WDC, Alonso has the only chance. Why would they want Massa to take points away? If Massa wants to keep his seat next year, why would he want to do something detrimental to his team?
3) Unless they tell Alonso to LET Massa pass (which would be another example of team orders), they should 'fight' for the position, potentially taking both cars out of the race. Why would Ferrari risk getting ZERO points?

If Massa and Alonso were both fighting for the WDC then it would be a different story.
 
2012-10-14 12:43:57 PM  

King Something: Ferrari was one of the three teams with workable tyres. That's why the FIA didn't compromise.

/10 laps to go


The teams had agreed to a compromise to install a chicane at the last minute which would have lowered the speed going around a corner of the oval. Only one team refused to accept the compromise - Ferrari. They knew exactly what they were doing, and having only six cars on the starting grid ruined F1's presence in the US - they only ran two US GPs after that because attendance plummeted.

ancker: I love how people only complain about team orders when Ferrari does it.


Team orders were banned for almost a decade, but when Ferrari got caught issuing one, they cried to Ferrari International Aid and and got the rule changed.

Ferrari gets what Ferrari wants, the health of the sport be damned. And that's why they're the only team I root against on a consistent basis.
 
2012-10-14 03:24:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Anyone else wish F1 races weren't all the same or nearly the same length and there was some variation in the race lengths? Also that they got rid of the pants on head retarded time limit thing.


You should try watching rally. Without taking anything away from F1, which I highly respect, rally has far more variation and (to me) more interesting strategy involved. Plus, as a spectator, I find that seeing a highly modified street car going sideways around corners at up to 100mph on disused country roads lined with rocks and trees is rather a more engaging spectacle than watching a very-highly-engineered, purpose-built machine going up to 200mph around a well-maintained race track for hours.
 
2012-10-14 05:06:03 PM  

Loomy: I'm pretty sure that AstroTurf hanging on is the most absurd thing I've seen in F1. Not the craziest, (Mark going for a pleasure flight), but definitely the most WTF...

/Have to think whoever decided that laying it down Thursday night was A-OK will be sacked


The CRAZIEST thing I've ever seen in F1 was Christan Fittipaldi's 360-degree backflip on the finish line of the '93 Italian GP. He was racing for position, and still crossed the line to finish.
 
2012-10-14 07:14:01 PM  
NBC SPORTS GROUP GETS US RIGHTS TO FORMULA ONE

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
NBC Sports Group signs 4-year deal for #F1 US rights. 4 races on NBC, 16 on NBC Sports Network.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Intent is to show all live. RT @digger3210: @JennaFryer Any idea on how many live?

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Qualifying and practices sessions are scheduled for NBC Sports Network. Everything will be streamed live online.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
4 races scheduled for NBC are Canadian Grand Prix in June, then Abu Dhabi, Austin and Brazil to close season.
 
paj
2012-10-14 08:59:27 PM  

good_2_go: NBC SPORTS GROUP GETS US RIGHTS TO FORMULA ONE

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
NBC Sports Group signs 4-year deal for #F1 US rights. 4 races on NBC, 16 on NBC Sports Network.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Intent is to show all live. RT @digger3210: @JennaFryer Any idea on how many live?

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Qualifying and practices sessions are scheduled for NBC Sports Network. Everything will be streamed live online.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
4 races scheduled for NBC are Canadian Grand Prix in June, then Abu Dhabi, Austin and Brazil to close season.


Kind of surprised they aren't going to to have Monaco as one of their four. Abu Dhabi is terrible.
 
2012-10-14 11:30:34 PM  

paj: good_2_go: NBC SPORTS GROUP GETS US RIGHTS TO FORMULA ONE

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
NBC Sports Group signs 4-year deal for #F1 US rights. 4 races on NBC, 16 on NBC Sports Network.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Intent is to show all live. RT @digger3210: @JennaFryer Any idea on how many live?

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
Qualifying and practices sessions are scheduled for NBC Sports Network. Everything will be streamed live online.

Jenna Fryer @JennaFryer
4 races scheduled for NBC are Canadian Grand Prix in June, then Abu Dhabi, Austin and Brazil to close season.

Kind of surprised they aren't going to to have Monaco as one of their four. Abu Dhabi is terrible.


The 4th race should be either Monaco or the race in New Jersey (if it happens).

And if they agree to do the coverage like they do Indycar coverage, it won't be the worst thing in the world since it would mean not missing any of the race. But who do they get to call it? And do they show the support races like GP2?

/As for the race, stopped watching once Vettel took the lead
 
2012-10-15 02:47:41 AM  
BBC is reporting that Vettel is going to be joining Ferrari in 2014. Massa will only be signed for 2013.
 
2012-10-15 05:04:24 AM  

paj: Kind of surprised they aren't going to to have Monaco as one of their four. Abu Dhabi is terrible.


desertgeek: The 4th race should be either Monaco or the race in New Jersey (if it happens).

And if they agree to do the coverage like they do Indycar coverage, it won't be the worst thing in the world since it would mean not missing any of the race. But who do they get to call it? And do they show the support races like GP2?

/As for the race, stopped watching once Vettel took the lead



If New Jersey happens, I can see NBC making a decision to put it on the main network. Other than that, they seem exclusively interested in races that can be shown during the day in the US. I think the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix fits into this, being a night race.

They will cash in on the main network for convenient races, probably figuring anyone who is hardcore enough to watch the races run at odd hours would be willing to make sure to have their cable network, or wouldn't watch US coverage anyways.
 
2012-10-15 05:59:12 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Well yeah, but then Buxton is English, Jordan is Scottish Irish.

FTFY

/ Countdown to race start: 20 minutes
// Yay DVR
/// Boo work
 
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