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2012-10-13 09:32:32 PM
Excellent!
 
2012-10-13 09:44:19 PM
You're not paying for sex, you're paying for champagne.
 
2012-10-13 10:21:11 PM

fusillade762: You're not paying for sex, you're paying for champagne.


That happened to you too?
 
2012-10-13 11:00:32 PM
Don't mess with free beer.
 
2012-10-13 11:01:15 PM
You don't buy beer, you rent it.
 
2012-10-13 11:01:58 PM
So, free refills?
 
2012-10-13 11:03:38 PM
Ranger Creek Brewery in San Antonio does something similar when they have their monthly open house events. Cheap beer is good. Cheap, great beer is even better!
 
2012-10-13 11:04:12 PM
State alcohol laws? So much for "freedom" those conservatives always proclaim
 
2012-10-13 11:04:54 PM

fusillade762: You're not paying for sex, you're paying for champagne her to leave.

 
2012-10-13 11:05:53 PM

John Buck 41: fusillade762: You're not paying for sex, you're paying for champagne her to leave.


Damn, you beat me too it.

/ at least I hit refresh before posting it
 
2012-10-13 11:06:00 PM
Yeah, maybe state laws vary in their language, by I remember in college that selling a cup and giving away the beer still amounted to selling alcohol without a license.
 
2012-10-13 11:08:56 PM
I would have figured that Texas would be a pretty open, non-restrictive state when it came to alcohol.
 
2012-10-13 11:09:42 PM

John Buck 41: fusillade762: You're not paying for sex, you're paying for champagne her to leave.


Such an untrue, unfunny statement.

/can't remember at the moment which comedian talked about that in his act.
 
2012-10-13 11:09:51 PM
bullshiat. they could carefully and concisely word the proposed law changes so the huge profitable fat cats have nothing to fear and the little brewers get to sell a little product directly. but no, watch as the tiny indie brewers who don't have bottomless lawyer wallets flounder year after year seeking minor changes so they can make a buck or two. way to keep a stranglehold on those profits, big brewer dooshbags. typical american assholes, unwilling to work with your fellow countrymen.
 
2012-10-13 11:10:01 PM
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Not sure that it will fly very far, but you have to like their gumption.
 
2012-10-13 11:10:41 PM

intelligent comment below: State alcohol laws? So much for "freedom" those conservatives always proclaim


Most states have a 3 tier beer law. A lot of union money lobbying to keep them in place, too. Watch the movie "beer wars" if you have the time. A few years old, but relevant.
The Christian conservative usually just push for a dry county.
 
2012-10-13 11:12:03 PM
So once again government makes law to protect existing established businesses and prevents growth of newer smaller businesses. Over time established businesses fall away and nothing can replace them except large corporations. Then people wonder why the economy is bad (and the products).
 
2012-10-13 11:17:47 PM

DownDaRiver: I would have figured that Texas would be a pretty open, non-restrictive state when it came to alcohol.


Oh no. Remember, conservatives love freedom of commerce... For big businesses. Not small ones.

This is reason that in state producers are farked in Texas. Texas wine makers can't make direct shipments to customers, local beer and wine producers have retarded sales and distribution restrictions. All to protect big producers.
 
2012-10-13 11:18:01 PM

DownDaRiver: I would have figured that Texas would be a pretty open, non-restrictive state when it came to alcohol.


Ummm, no. God i hope my sarcasm meter is off tonite. We still have dry counties, blue laws, can't even buy MARSALA WINE on Sundays cuz it is fortified. But we do have drive thru liquor stores.....
 
2012-10-13 11:18:09 PM

xxdonjulioxx: intelligent comment below: State alcohol laws? So much for "freedom" those conservatives always proclaim

Most states have a 3 tier beer law. A lot of union money lobbying to keep them in place, too. Watch the movie "beer wars" if you have the time. A few years old, but relevant.
The Christian conservative usually just push for a dry county.


That movie made me want to drink.

And I wasn't sure if it was because of all the talk about beer or because it made me realize how farked-up our alcohol laws are.
 
2012-10-13 11:19:05 PM

fusillade762: You're not paying for sex, you're paying for champagne.


Wasn't that in Super Freakonomics?
 
2012-10-13 11:19:58 PM
Seeing as how Texas state law enforcement is famously toothless and ineffective, I predict they'll be laughing right in those Rangers faces when they show up to try to enforce their silly little 'laws'.
 
KIA
2012-10-13 11:20:43 PM
The ABC folks are only a smidge better than the teetotalers. All of them are just a bit better than the revenuers.

Overall, I'd say: let the FDA inspect plants and products like they do with any other food producer, then let them sell it. Tax them at point of sale and get rid of the cumbersome bureaucratic overhead. Let people buy or not buy as they see fit. Sheesh.
 
2012-10-13 11:21:25 PM

DownDaRiver: I would have figured that Texas would be a pretty open, non-restrictive state when it came to alcohol.


As long as distributors, liquor stores, and bars get their cuts.
 
2012-10-13 11:21:49 PM
Armadillo Ales in Denton has been doing that while they work on getting all their licences. Can't wait till we can get it on tap in the bars
 
2012-10-13 11:23:38 PM
I regularly attend antique car parts swap meets. The food and drink vendors have a captive audience and the prices reflect this.... A few enterprising folks have tubs of used spark plugs and signs that say "Buy a spark plug for a dollor and get a coke or hot dog for free"....They sell alot of used spark plugs....... Funny thing though..Most people drop the spark plugs back in the tub as they walk away.
 
2012-10-13 11:27:03 PM

Satanic_Hamster: DownDaRiver: I would have figured that Texas would be a pretty open, non-restrictive state when it came to alcohol.

Oh no. Remember, conservatives love freedom of commerce... For big businesses. Not small ones.

This is reason that in state producers are farked in Texas. Texas wine makers can't make direct shipments to customers, local beer and wine producers have retarded sales and distribution restrictions. All to protect big producers.


Sounds a lot like what Gov farkhead did here in WI to help MillerCoors keeps all the good breweries from eating its lunch.

Also, the bill that is mentioned was written by MillerCoors lobbyists and handed to Gov. and friends to put into action.

And no, he didn't veto the bill when it came to his desk. He had been asked by people on both sides of the aisle to veto it, as well as by the Wisconsin Brewer's Guild, which consists of many brewpubs and microbreweries.

They's creatin' jerbs!!!!
 
2012-10-13 11:28:09 PM
I often wonder how much cooler the U.S. would be if we hadn't dabbled in the failed experiment known as Prohibition. Who knows how many delicious brews disappeared because someone decided that fun should be outlawed. 

/The beverage equivalent of burning the Library of Alexandria. :(
 
2012-10-13 11:28:53 PM
I remember ticket scalpers doing this outside of Seahawks games when I was a teenager. Buy a $200 t-shirt and you get two free tickets to watch the Seahawks lose.
 
2012-10-13 11:33:12 PM

DownDaRiver: I would have figured that Texas would be a pretty open, non-restrictive state when it came to alcohol.


You have to buy your hard stuff by 9pm. There are also numerous dry counties. They are ALL farked up.
 
2012-10-13 11:33:38 PM

Satanic_Hamster: DownDaRiver: I would have figured that Texas would be a pretty open, non-restrictive state when it came to alcohol.

Oh no. Remember, conservatives love freedom of commerce... For big businesses. Not small ones.

This is reason that in state producers are farked in Texas. Texas wine makers can't make direct shipments to customers, local beer and wine producers have retarded sales and distribution restrictions. All to protect big producers.



From what I know PA has some simular laws for in state producers. They have to package it up, ship to the LCB to have them inspect it, record it and put a tax stamp on it and shipped back, then it can only be sold in LCB approved quantities and locations. All of that gets charged to the producer.

And no Deedeemarz, no sarcasm intended.
 
2012-10-13 11:36:38 PM
Online shippers play this game too.

Buy this awesome widget for $.35!! Only $39.99 for shipping and handling.
 
2012-10-13 11:40:23 PM
Sounds like something YOU might be able to do, Lynchburg, Tennessee.

/taps foot impatiently
 
2012-10-13 11:46:27 PM
No other state in the union takes "state pride" to the level Texas does. I lived there for 20+ years. It's the only state in which I could go to Home Depot and buy a state flag to fly off the porch.

But when it comes to so many "quality of life" issues, of which beer is a part, TX sucks balls. WA beer kicks TX beer's ass! There are three breweries within the city limits of Seattle which have lines better than anything TX produces.

Don't mess with Texas ... fark Texas.

//Texass...a good place to be from.
 
2012-10-13 11:49:40 PM

USAF Retired: I regularly attend antique car parts swap meets. The food and drink vendors have a captive audience and the prices reflect this.... A few enterprising folks have tubs of used spark plugs and signs that say "Buy a spark plug for a dollor and get a coke or hot dog for free"....They sell alot of used spark plugs....... Funny thing though..Most people drop the spark plugs back in the tub as they walk away.


Well that is easy to defeat. Just rewrite the vendor contracts specifying that they are the sole food providers. That covers everything sold or given away. That's what the vendor had done at my alma mater before siccing health department inspectors on every impromptu student pizza party on campus and threatening to sue the school unless they barred every delivery service from bringing food onto campus and have the police issue trespass warnings against any violators.

I can't believe that you guys have such weaksauce rules down there. Your vendors have really sucky lawyers reviewing their contracts.
 
2012-10-13 11:51:34 PM
Ah, Prohibition; a failed, misguided experiment in telling adults they can't drink something because we don't think it's good for them.

Are you listening, NYC?
www.france24.com
 
2012-10-13 11:55:53 PM
Has anyone been to East Austin Hops & Grain? zobear jr. & I are going to Austin to check out UT for her college and...well...

I like beer.
 
2012-10-14 12:08:31 AM

Blahbbs: Ranger Creek Brewery in San Antonio does something similar when they have their monthly open house events. Cheap beer is good. Cheap, great beer is even better!


also some bars in San Antonio let you bring in your own bottle if you buy glasses and/or a table.
 
2012-10-14 12:12:15 AM
How much for the cupons?
 
2012-10-14 12:12:36 AM

KrispyKritter: bullshiat. they could carefully and concisely word the proposed law changes so the huge profitable fat cats have nothing to fear and the little brewers get to sell a little product directly. but no, watch as the tiny indie brewers who don't have bottomless lawyer wallets flounder year after year seeking minor changes so they can make a buck or two. way to keep a stranglehold on those profits, big brewer dooshbags. typical american assholes, unwilling to work with your fellow countrymen.


What's the point of establishing a monopoly via government if you're gonna let others do business?

They get everything, everyone else gets nothing. That's how corporatism rolls.

Oh and it blames the 'free market' that didn't exist for its problems too.
 
2012-10-14 12:34:29 AM

BolloxReader: USAF Retired: I regularly attend antique car parts swap meets. The food and drink vendors have a captive audience and the prices reflect this.... A few enterprising folks have tubs of used spark plugs and signs that say "Buy a spark plug for a dollor and get a coke or hot dog for free"....They sell alot of used spark plugs....... Funny thing though..Most people drop the spark plugs back in the tub as they walk away.

Well that is easy to defeat. Just rewrite the vendor contracts specifying that they are the sole food providers. That covers everything sold or given away. That's what the vendor had done at my alma mater before siccing health department inspectors on every impromptu student pizza party on campus and threatening to sue the school unless they barred every delivery service from bringing food onto campus and have the police issue trespass warnings against any violators.

I can't believe that you guys have such weaksauce rules down there. Your vendors have really sucky lawyers reviewing their contracts.


LAWYERS!?!?! .. I cant believe you think a lawyer wants to have a bunch of used spark plugs shoved up his ar$e.
 
2012-10-14 12:34:37 AM

zobear: Has anyone been to East Austin Hops & Grain? zobear jr. & I are going to Austin to check out UT for her college and...well...

I like beer.


Hops & Grain is ok, but it doesn't even make my top 5 for Austin brewers.

Texas beer laws are farked. I can go to a brewpub and drink, but they can't bottle and sell in a store. I can go to a brewer and sample their beers but can't buy any to take home, instead I have to go to the store. I can go to a bar, get loaded on the hard stuff, and then drive home. I can't go the the liquor stroe, buy my booze, and go home to drink. I can go to a winery BUY glasses of wine there and then BUY a couple bottles to take home, but you can't do this at a brewery.

At the moment my fridge is stocked with beer from Tallgrass in Kansas, and Bells and Founders from Michigan.
 
2012-10-14 12:36:01 AM

jaylectricity: Sounds like something YOU might be able to do, Lynchburg, Tennessee.

/taps foot impatiently


That's what the Jack Daniel's distillery already does--sells "commemorative" bottles that just so happen to be full of "free" whiskey.
 
2012-10-14 12:39:49 AM
Club Erotica in McKees Rocks, PA operates exactly like these micro brewers. Buy a red solo cup for a buck and they pour the beer free.

But unlike the brewers, Club Erotica also has fairly attractive bare naked ladies.

BYOB is still the best method though.
 
2012-10-14 12:48:53 AM

rynthetyn: jaylectricity: Sounds like something YOU might be able to do, Lynchburg, Tennessee.

/taps foot impatiently

That's what the Jack Daniel's distillery already does--sells "commemorative" bottles that just so happen to be full of "free" whiskey.


I was thinking more like shot glasses and free samples on the premises. And a trolley ride back to my hotel.
 
2012-10-14 12:52:57 AM
From an erlier article.

"Parker and Wisconsin researcher Randi Cartmill determined that when alcohol consumption increases, violent crime follows one or two years later, and that when alcohol consumption decreases, the crime rate drops one to two years later. "Alcohol consumption peaked nationally in 1982 and has declined significantly and steadily ever since," Parker said. "Beer and spirits consumption are the two most consistent predictors of homicide." Unemployment is a lesser, but influential factor, in the rise and fall of crime rates, they found. "These findings are consistent with a growing body of research that demonstrates the important relationship between alcohol and violence in the U.S.," Parker said."

Explains Texas, so glad I don't live there anymore.
 
2012-10-14 01:02:33 AM
I suppose the bikers are now thankful for the helmet laws.
 
2012-10-14 01:04:26 AM
... seriously? No one's posted this yet? Fark, you've lost your touch. Going to mourn the loss of Fark's wittiness by drowning myself in Duff beer....

download.nliveris.com 

/who needs a pint glass?
 
2012-10-14 01:12:01 AM
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2012-10-14 01:14:35 AM

USAF Retired: BolloxReader: USAF Retired: I regularly attend antique car parts swap meets. The food and drink vendors have a captive audience and the prices reflect this.... A few enterprising folks have tubs of used spark plugs and signs that say "Buy a spark plug for a dollor and get a coke or hot dog for free"....They sell alot of used spark plugs....... Funny thing though..Most people drop the spark plugs back in the tub as they walk away.

Well that is easy to defeat. Just rewrite the vendor contracts specifying that they are the sole food providers. That covers everything sold or given away. That's what the vendor had done at my alma mater before siccing health department inspectors on every impromptu student pizza party on campus and threatening to sue the school unless they barred every delivery service from bringing food onto campus and have the police issue trespass warnings against any violators.

I can't believe that you guys have such weaksauce rules down there. Your vendors have really sucky lawyers reviewing their contracts.

LAWYERS!?!?! .. I cant believe you think a lawyer wants to have a bunch of used spark plugs shoved up his ar$e.


Well, of course that would be extra billable hours....
 
2012-10-14 01:39:00 AM

GilRuiz1: Ah, Prohibition; a failed, misguided experiment in telling adults they can't drink something because we don't think it's good for them.

Are you listening, NYC

federal government?

FTFY.
 
2012-10-14 03:09:29 AM

fusillade762: You're not paying for sex, you're paying for champagne.


Champagne must be the new girl.

/I already paid for Brandi, Ginni, Tequila, Bailey, Margarita, the other Margarita, Sherry, and Mudslide.
 
2012-10-14 03:22:50 AM

KIA: Let people buy or not buy as they see fit. Sheesh.


But, but, but JEEEZUS.
 
2012-10-14 04:32:01 AM

darwinpolice: I remember ticket scalpers doing this outside of Seahawks games when I was a teenager. Buy a $200 t-shirt and you get two free tickets to watch the Seahawks lose.


Then adjust the law to cover the exceptions. Banks have done a good job of that with structuring laws.
 
2012-10-14 05:22:31 AM
That's very clever, but wouldn't it be more efficient to set up the pub portion as a separate corporate entity, draw up a contract renting the pub space from the brewery for $1 per year then sell (on paper) the beer sold in the pub room to the pub company?
 
2012-10-14 07:41:49 AM

xxdonjulioxx: intelligent comment below: The Christian conservative usually just push for a dry county.


Funny you should mention that. Up until maybe 3 or 4 years ago, Irving Texas was dry, and for years there was a vote to allow the sale of beer and wine (but not hard liquor)

It was passed finally and the 1st day, a group of frumpy 'church ladies' were picketing a grocery store and it was like 'If daddy drinks, he'll come home and beat up mommy'
 
2012-10-14 07:57:19 AM

Cyno01: Yeah, maybe state laws vary in their language, by I remember in college that selling a cup and giving away the beer still amounted to selling alcohol without a license.


You don't have zoning to be a brewery.
 
2012-10-14 08:00:35 AM

Krieghund: fusillade762: You're not paying for sex, you're paying for champagne.

Champagne must be the new girl.

/I already paid for Brandi, Ginni, Tequila, Bailey, Margarita, the other Margarita, Sherry, and Mudslide.

Don't forget Mercedes, Porsche, Escalade and Luv!
 
2012-10-14 08:56:40 AM

IntertubeUser: No other state in the union takes "state pride" to the level Texas does. I lived there for 20+ years. It's the only state in which I could go to Home Depot and buy a state flag to fly off the porch.

But when it comes to so many "quality of life" issues, of which beer is a part, TX sucks balls. WA beer kicks TX beer's ass! There are three breweries within the city limits of Seattle which have lines better than anything TX produces.

Don't mess with Texas ... fark Texas.

//Texass...a good place to be from.


Yep yep. We have some grade-A religious retardacy here.

Awesomely, the county of Liberty is dry. The irony is breathtaking, no?
 
2012-10-14 09:20:15 AM

intelligent comment below: State alcohol laws? So much for "freedom" those conservatives always proclaim


State alcohol laws have been used to shut down strip clubs.

One common way to get around them is to charge admission and give away free beer.
 
2012-10-14 09:49:24 AM

zobear: Has anyone been to East Austin Hops & Grain? zobear jr. & I are going to Austin to check out UT for her college and...well...

I like beer.


I havent been yet, but my personal favorite tour is Jester King. It's still in Austin, but it's way out in the country off of 290 W heading towards Dripping Springs. It's a different part of the city & i rather like it.

Tours are from 1-4 on Saturdays w/ live music & food trucks.
 
2012-10-14 09:51:30 AM

zobear: Has anyone been to East Austin Hops & Grain? zobear jr. & I are going to Austin to check out UT for her college and...well...

I like beer.


Yes: excellent stuff in their tap room. Last time I was there they had a Makers Mark Barrel aged barley wine. Delish.
 
2012-10-14 10:41:30 AM

Breathe Laugh Twitch: the county of Liberty is dry.


That pretty much says it all.
 
2012-10-14 12:41:04 PM

BolloxReader: That's what the vendor had done at my alma mater before siccing health department inspectors on every impromptu student pizza party on campus and threatening to sue the school unless they barred every delivery service from bringing food onto campus and have the police issue trespass warnings against any violators.


What kind of freaking weak, dumbass, lame college bans food deliveries on campus and raids impromptu pizza parties? Trespass citations to pizza delivery people for dropping off food at the dorms? What school was this?

Okay, I can see it being disallowed at a military academy, but other than that, that's the most boneheaded thing I've heard about all day.

Hell, when I was a college student I almost lived off delivery pizza and Chinese food, and the typical recruiting act for any club on campus was to order a few pizzas, buy a few two-liters and advertise free pizza if you attended the meeting.

I'd imagine restrictive campus rules like that would hurt freshman recruiting.
 
2012-10-14 04:35:50 PM

IntertubeUser: But when it comes to so many "quality of life" issues, of which beer is a part, TX sucks balls. WA beer kicks TX beer's ass! There are three breweries within the city limits of Seattle which have lines better than anything TX produces.


WA state's breweries do indeed make some spectacular beers. Unfortunately, Texas's hot climate doesn't lend itself to the massive imbibing of heavier beers like stouts and porters -- which gives me a sad, because I love me some porters and stouts. Shiner's put out some nice brews, though mostly ales and lagers.

/I wrote up a business plan for a brewpub as part of a class project, and the Texas state and local regulations were hamstringly godawful.
 
2012-10-14 05:56:25 PM

zobear: Has anyone been to East Austin Hops & Grain? zobear jr. & I are going to Austin to check out UT for her college and...well...

I like beer.


Their year-round stuff is good, but their special brews are where it's at. 5 minutes away from me so I'm a regular.

I'd also check out Independence and Thirsty Planet.
 
2012-10-14 06:15:46 PM
If you're in Houston, go up to Karbach. For $12, you get a pint glass and four tokens (three for regular beers and one for Rodeo Clown).

Plus you can bring food, lawn chairs, etc and hang out. A roach coach usually shows up if you forgot your grub.

Good place to hit up on the weekends when you want that 11am buzz.
 
2012-10-16 02:27:47 PM

Breathe Laugh Twitch: Awesomely, the county of Liberty is dry. The irony is breathtaking, no?


Not really. There's always been a segment of the population that defines "Liberty" as "me being allowed to stop you from doing shiat I don't like, while preventing you from stopping me from doing shiat you don't like".
 
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